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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2001 American Memorial/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Johanna ( talk · contribs) 15:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Fourth on my "to review" list. Johanna (talk to me!) 15:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Johanna: It's been nearly a month; are you still planning to review this? -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 23:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Bentvfan54321: Yes I am! The page must have been left off my watchlist or something. I will put up comments as soon as I can. Johanna (talk to me!) 00:48, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Comments
  • Is the infobox file some sort of official image? I can't tell from the file description page.
  • It's a map of the track's layout. In the auto racing WikiProjects, this is usually the image that goes in the infobox. (See my my Featured Articles: 2010 Sylvania 300 and 2006 UAW-Ford 500. They're both NASCAR races instead of CART, but it's the same idea.) -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I know absolutely nothing about auto racing, but from the perspective of a casual reader, I can say that I have no idea what "points" are. I'm not sure if it's worth it to briefly explain or not, but just take that into consideration.
  • Points toward the series championship are accumulated by drivers at every race, with the winner receiving the most and the folks at the back receiving very few or none at all, depending on the auto racing series. It's similar to the Premier League if you follow football (soccer) at all. -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • "the September 11 attacks occurred." This is a bit of an awkward construction--perhaps you can change it up a bit.
  • "The series"? Is this what one refers to CART as?
  • General comment: a few files of some of the important drivers of the race might help spruce the article up a little bit.
  • You can't expect readers to remember which day the Thursday of that week was, so replace that with the date.
  • "The pole position went to de Ferran, who..." Restructure this sentence, particularly the latter half.
  • Split refs into two columns.

@ Bentvfan54321: Wow! This is really an exemplary article. I really don't have much to say. Clear this up and I'll be happy to pass. Johanna (talk to me!) 02:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Johanna: Thanks! I'll see what I can do soon. -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 12:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  •  Done everything, let me know if you want anything else amended. Thanks, -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Usage of "template:flagathlete" as Manual of Style; redundancies

A few days ago, I noticed that the results of the 2001 American Memorial listed here under "Classification / Race" includes the name of the country of each driver, constructor and engine manufacturer in parenthesis, despite the country itself being already noted through the nation's flag, due to the use of Template:Flagathlete. I proceeded to fix this redundancy through an edit that used a different template, but this edit was reverted under the premise that it "broke the code for the sortable table" (which is fine and fair) "and going against MOS".

I don't really agree with the last part, considering the widely used method in racing pages (especially on IndyCar/CART and other Indy-style events) has been to just use Template:Flagicon for the nations, which allows to see the identity of the country by putting the cursor over the flag, and avoids the redudancy of having the country's name apart from the flag. Due to this being a "good article", it would be helpful to know if this particular page holds itself to a different standard compared to any other racing article (including those under the same "good article" consideration that also uses FlagIcon, i.e: 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship), what's the established MOS on this specific issue, and why's only followed on here.

I used flagicon when I originally added the table in and don't recall changing the style personally, although I wouldn't swear that I didn't as it's been a while since the table was first introduced. If it's a concern for you, I suggest bringing it up at WT:MOTOR, as they'll likely have a preferred convention for making the articles consistent. Giants2008 ( Talk) 17:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2001 American Memorial/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Johanna ( talk · contribs) 15:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Fourth on my "to review" list. Johanna (talk to me!) 15:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Johanna: It's been nearly a month; are you still planning to review this? -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 23:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Bentvfan54321: Yes I am! The page must have been left off my watchlist or something. I will put up comments as soon as I can. Johanna (talk to me!) 00:48, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Comments
  • Is the infobox file some sort of official image? I can't tell from the file description page.
  • It's a map of the track's layout. In the auto racing WikiProjects, this is usually the image that goes in the infobox. (See my my Featured Articles: 2010 Sylvania 300 and 2006 UAW-Ford 500. They're both NASCAR races instead of CART, but it's the same idea.) -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I know absolutely nothing about auto racing, but from the perspective of a casual reader, I can say that I have no idea what "points" are. I'm not sure if it's worth it to briefly explain or not, but just take that into consideration.
  • Points toward the series championship are accumulated by drivers at every race, with the winner receiving the most and the folks at the back receiving very few or none at all, depending on the auto racing series. It's similar to the Premier League if you follow football (soccer) at all. -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • "the September 11 attacks occurred." This is a bit of an awkward construction--perhaps you can change it up a bit.
  • "The series"? Is this what one refers to CART as?
  • General comment: a few files of some of the important drivers of the race might help spruce the article up a little bit.
  • You can't expect readers to remember which day the Thursday of that week was, so replace that with the date.
  • "The pole position went to de Ferran, who..." Restructure this sentence, particularly the latter half.
  • Split refs into two columns.

@ Bentvfan54321: Wow! This is really an exemplary article. I really don't have much to say. Clear this up and I'll be happy to pass. Johanna (talk to me!) 02:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Johanna: Thanks! I'll see what I can do soon. -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 12:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  •  Done everything, let me know if you want anything else amended. Thanks, -- Bentvfan54321 ( talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Usage of "template:flagathlete" as Manual of Style; redundancies

A few days ago, I noticed that the results of the 2001 American Memorial listed here under "Classification / Race" includes the name of the country of each driver, constructor and engine manufacturer in parenthesis, despite the country itself being already noted through the nation's flag, due to the use of Template:Flagathlete. I proceeded to fix this redundancy through an edit that used a different template, but this edit was reverted under the premise that it "broke the code for the sortable table" (which is fine and fair) "and going against MOS".

I don't really agree with the last part, considering the widely used method in racing pages (especially on IndyCar/CART and other Indy-style events) has been to just use Template:Flagicon for the nations, which allows to see the identity of the country by putting the cursor over the flag, and avoids the redudancy of having the country's name apart from the flag. Due to this being a "good article", it would be helpful to know if this particular page holds itself to a different standard compared to any other racing article (including those under the same "good article" consideration that also uses FlagIcon, i.e: 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship), what's the established MOS on this specific issue, and why's only followed on here.

I used flagicon when I originally added the table in and don't recall changing the style personally, although I wouldn't swear that I didn't as it's been a while since the table was first introduced. If it's a concern for you, I suggest bringing it up at WT:MOTOR, as they'll likely have a preferred convention for making the articles consistent. Giants2008 ( Talk) 17:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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