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1993 Bombay bombings was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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December 25, 2012	Good article nominee	Not listed

Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the " On this day..." column on March 12, 2008, March 12, 2009, March 12, 2010, and March 12, 2016.

Intro paragraph

An anonymous editor removed the phrasing "various outbreaks of widespread criminal rioting (examples: 1984 Anti-Sikh riots, 1992-93 riots after the destruction of the Babri mosque in Ayodhya, 2002 Gujarat violence) have killed more Indians than these bombs did," claiming that it was "irrelevant." It is not irrelevant, since it places one act of violence in the context of others. It is comparable to saying that although the Nagasaki bombing was the most destructive single bombing in Japanese history, it was less destructive than the firebombing of Tokyo, or that although the American Civil War caused the most American casualties of any American war, World War Two was the most deadly war with American involvement. I'm not positive that those two statements are true, but it's beside the point: context is never irrelevant.

Additionally, I changed the word "worst" to "most destructive," since it carries fewer judgments. Although naturally I don't condone a bombing attack, it's not the place of an encyclopedia to editorialize, but just to present facts. Besides, "worst" is a vague word. It could mean "incompetent," which the bombings certainly were not.

No I think they are irrelevant, in the context it is mentioned, worst is the wrong word though, but the current article seems fine.

Why is there no Wikipedia entry on the 1992-93 Bombay riots? Anyone willing to start one? ...I agree with this one..i came to this site for a project on that and found nothing adn this sit eusually can give me the info i need. if anyone wants to get one going let me know email me at shortie_bie_4t@yahoo.com i am always here to help. Thanks..

I think articles written on the topic should be non biased. it is a known fact that the riots were political and not religious. Pakistani miltants were the obvious choice for blame. The Srikrishna report and other damning evidence points to the RSS and Shiv Sena. The article so far is misleading and biased Jai Hind

I'm sorry, but where is the "up to 5,000 civilian fatalities" figure coming from? It's stated several times that there were 257 fatalities. Is this figure combining that with death from other causes, such as attendant riots? If so, it is extremely misleading, and if not, it is just wrong. I'm changing the figure. Lissacha ( talk) 01:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC) reply

TRUTH

By the way why you need 3 people to dispose off guns given to sanjay dutt and Dont you know that - " ECVEN INDIAN POLICE FORCE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BOMB BLAST.therefore we should understand this blast may had politicians involved since money and vote changed hands after BABRI MASJID AND BOMBAY RIOTS ISSUE. This is a politically motivated and not religiously motivated bomb blasts. Hidden hands may be responsible and some of them convicted are just pawns. It is all about politics and people really want to have a good life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.49.155 ( talk) 23:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC) reply

Links

All but one of the links deal with different events. Someone please include better links.

POV

This is for PBJ. The timeline of riots mentioned is NOT POV, its well taken from sources such as the Times of India and the official reports of the bombings. Please do not insert your POV here.

It's not about POV, it's about relevancy. The background information seems to be longer than the information on the bombings themselves, which is the subject of this article. In addition, the text you post needs to be cleaned up a lot, although this is understandable if English is not your first language. PBP 12:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC) reply

This is to 24.58.22.190: if you can explain why explaining individual stabbings are relevant to the Mumbai bombings, then the information can stay. But I think a sentence or two noting that there were riots and killings is more concise than listing all of these facts. PBP 12:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Well they are relevant since thay are the cause....they may be more brief I agree. Its the official text taken from the report not my English, which is as good as you would want it to be. -24.58.22.190

I would even argue against "most destructive". I think we ought to qualify "most destructive". Was it most destructive in terms of lives lost? If it killed more people than other bomb blasts in the past, may be that's what we should say, instead of just using "most destructive", which is not qualified later. Risque.business 09:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Naming of the event

Since by the time of the bombing it wasn't quite Mumbai yet, should we, for the sake of historical accuracy, call it the 1993 Bombay bombings instead? For instance, we wouldn't call the siege of Leningrad during WWII "The Siege of St. Petersberg" because it wasn't the name of the city when the siege took place.

Good point, I agree with this sentiment. The 1993 bombing took place in what was known as the City of Bombay. This precedence, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_leningrad, backs up that articles referenced to cities should use the name of a place that was in use at the time. jkm 21:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Absolutely. This is all very confusing, and the Mumbai article doesn't help either, calling the city Mumbai or Bombay interchangeably with no regard for the era. I've renamed this article and will fix a few occurrences in the Mumbai article. Let's try and be accurate without personal regard for what we think the name should be - that is, after all, the very essence of NPOV. -- kingboyk 21:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Actually, no. It doesn't work that way. 1993 Bombay bombings is not the formal title for the blasts. I'm finding it very hard to put my view across, but unlike the Siege of Leningrad or the Bombay City Improvement Trust, or for that matter (9/11 not 11/9 around the world) there is no formal name for the bombings. Had it been a formal name, the name would have stuck. See [1], [2], and [3]. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC) reply

I agree Bombay should be used because that was the name of the city at the time, and names like these are not officially assigned by anyone. Wordings such as "11 september attacks" are more common in several major European languages than "9/11" and the people of Leningrad spoke of their city as "Piter" (from "St.Petersburg") right through the Soviet era. Or "Viet Cong" - many Americans use that designation; outside the US it's often seen as a derogatory word - representing the pov of the Pentagon and Lyndon Johnson - and FNL is preferred.

In any case, the events happening right now may force some renaming of the 1993 Blasts; they could well turn out to claim even more casualties. Strausszek 00:10, 27 November 2008 (CET).

Sharad Pawar

Are the comments about him correct?

Table of Accused

I think it would be a good idea to put all the accused and people involved in the blasts into a table with their names, age, role, detail of the roles, sections under which they have been charged, verdict and sentence, and what sentence the prosecution asked for. What do you think? Sniperz11 07:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I have created a sandbox page at User:Sniperz11/1993 Mumbai Blasts accused table. Please help out in any way you can. Thanks. Sniperz11 20:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC) reply