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It seems undue for there to be an entire section dedicated to "Israeli usage of biological warfare". It's also only one paragraph. This information should probably be merged into the "Course of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War" section where appropriate.
- IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 08:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
British Mandate was split and Transjordan (77% of the Mandate) was assigned to the arabs and Palestinians.
The text says contrary to obvious discrepancies in view of maps that the part assigned to Israeli was 78%. Wkaisa ( talk) 07:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I've made significant changes to the lead, primarily to shorten its excessive length but also adding details about the Palestinian expulsions.
I think I've improved it a lot but that it can still be further improved, especially the opening paragraph. I considered taking out the mention of the Nakba and the expulsions from the opening paragraph but I wasn't sure about that.
Any feedback or suggestions are welcome. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 09:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
the war indirectly created a second, major refugee problem.Not mentioning it is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. Alaexis ¿question? 20:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
What do editors here think about the final paragraph of the lead (which has been changing a lot recently) as implemented here [1] and which reads:
During the war, massacres and acts of terror were conducted by and against both sides. A campaign of massacres and violence against the Arab population, such as occurred at Lydda and Ramle and the Battle of Haifa, led to the expulsion and flight of over 700,000 Palestinians, with most of their urban areas being depopulated and destroyed. This violence and dispossession of the Palestinians is known today as the Nakba ( Arabic for "the disaster") [1] and resulted in the beginning of the Palestinian refugee problem.
@ BanyanClimber, @ Alaexis, @ Levivich
- IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 23:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
That is not treating that emigration as a major topic of the war, not in any way. nableezy - 22:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)In Arab countries, the defeat of the Arab armies and the exodus of the Palestinian Arabs exacerbated an already difficult situation. In December 1947, a pogrom and the destruction of synagogues in Aleppo persuaded half the city’s Jewish population to leave. In Egypt, arrests, killings and confiscations catalyzed the flight of nearly 40 per cent of the Jewis hcommunity by 1950. In Kuwait, the minuscule number of Jews were expelled. In Iraq, the Criminal Code was amended in July 1948 such that Zionists were lumped together with Anarchists and Communists. The death penalty could be meted out to adherents or they could be sentenced to many years’ imprisonment. Enforced emigration to Israel became the officially permitted route out of Iraq for an increasingly oppressed Jewish community. Israel ironically became the unlikely destination for many Jewish Communists despite their opposition to Zionism. In Libya, Algeria and Morocco, there were periodic outbreaks of anti-Jewish violence. Over 37 per cent of Jews in Islamic countries – the Arab world, Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan – left for Israel between May 1948 and the beginning of 1952. This amounted to 56 per cent of the total immigration.
In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel from Europe and Arab lands, with one third of them having left or been expelled from their countries of residence in the Middle East. [3] [4] [5] These refugees were absorbed into Israel in the One Million Plan. [6] [7] [8] [9]
“ | The war was one of the reasons for the Jewish exodus from the Muslim world, with 37% of local Jews leaving Muslim countries in 1948-1951 | ” |
Alaexis ¿question? 22:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
1. Benny Morris, 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. The exodus of the Jewish population is discussed at length (pp. 412-416) in the chapter Some conclusions.
“ | The war indirectly created a second, major refugee problem. Partly because of the clash of Jewish and Arab arms in Palestine, some five to six hundred thousand Jews who lived in the Arab world emigrated, were intimidated into flight, or were expelled from their native countries, most of them reaching Israel, with a minority resettling in France, Britain, and the other Western countries. The immediate propellants to flight were the popular Arab hostility, including pogroms, triggered by the war in Palestine and specific governmental measures, amounting to institutionalized discrimination against and oppression of the Jewish minority communities. | ” |
2. Shlaim & Rogan, The War for Palestine. Rewriting the History of 1948. Edward Said (!) who wrote the Afterword mentions it as one of the effects of the war on the Arab world, and there is a chapter about the Jews in Egypt (pp. 140-142). Alaexis ¿question? 22:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Colin Schindler. A history of modern Israel, pp. 63-64. The exodus is explicitly linked to the war:
“ | In Arab countries, the defeat of the Arab armies and the exodus of the Palestinian Arabs exacerbated an already difficult situation [pogroms, arrests, killings, confiscations]. Over 37 percent of Jews in Islamic countries ... left for Israel between May 1948 and the beginning of 1952 | ” |
Alaexis ¿question? 14:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
4.The Jews of the Middle East and North Africa in Modern Times, p. 150
“ | The Arab-Israeli War greatly accelerated the process whereby the Jewish minorities in the Arab countries were being alienated and isolated | ” |
p. 177
“ | The Arab-Israeli war may have been the catalyst for the mass exodus of Jews from most of the Arab countries | ” |
It also has a chapter The mass exodus begins about the flight/emigration of Jews from Arab countries between 1948 and the mid-1950s as a result of the war.
5. Anita Shapira also links the exodus and the war in Israel. A History. When discussing the immigration of Jews from the Arab countries she says (p. 223)
“ | throughout the Middle East and North Africa relations between Jews and Arabs had been strained, especially since the establishment of the Jewish State and the War of Independence | ” |
Alaexis ¿question? 15:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Ahron Bregman considers the defeat one of three main drivers of the exodus (A History of Israel, p. 71)
“ | growing numbers of Jews also arrived from Arab lands where their
position had become perilous and nearly untenable as a result of growing nationalism reinforced by religion, the humiliating Arab defeat and the creation of Israel on the land of Palestine in 1948 |
” |
Alaexis ¿question? 21:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Avi Bekker, The Forgotten Narrative: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
“ | In a few years, Jewish communities that had existed in the Middle East for more than 2,500 years were brutally expelled or had to run
for their lives... Following the Partition Resolution of November 1947... Middle Eastern Jews were the targets of official and popular incitement, state-legislated discrimination, and pogroms |
” |
There's more analysis of this issue/comparison in the article 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight:
The 1948 Palestinian exodus has also drawn comparisons with the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries, which involved the departure, flight, migration, and expulsion of 800000–1000000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries between 1948 and the 1970s. In three resolutions between 2007 and 2012 ( H.Res. 185, S.Res. 85, H.R. 6242), the US Congress called on the Barack Obama administration to "pair any explicit reference to Palestinian refugees with a similar reference to Jewish or other refugee populations". [10] [11] [12]
Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath has rejected the comparison, arguing that the ideological and historical significance of the two population movements are totally different and that any similarity is superficial. Porath says that the immigration of Jews from Arab countries to Israel, expelled or not, was from a Jewish-Zionist perspective the fulfilment of "a national dream" and of Israeli national policy in the form of the One Million Plan. He notes the efforts of Israeli agents working in Arab countries, including those of the Jewish Agency in various Arab countries since the 1930s, to assist a Jewish " aliyah". Porath contrasts this with what he calls the "national calamity" and "unending personal tragedies" suffered by the Palestinians that resulted in "the collapse of the Palestinian community, the fragmentation of a people, and the loss of a country that had in the past been mostly Arabic-speaking and Islamic". [13]
Israeli academic Yehouda Shenhav has written in an article entitled "Hitching A Ride on the Magic Carpet" published in the Israeli daily Haaretz regarding this issue. " Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists." full citation needed In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee." [14]
- IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 04:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
I rewrote some of the section about the Jewish exodus from the Muslim world [2]. I post this here for review. Especially @ Alaexis I would like to make sure these changes seem accurate to you. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 22:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Coming back to this again after some time I find that the sentence "The results of the war also led to the beginning of the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries." doesn't belong in the lead, and that it especially doesn't belong at the end of the paragraph about the Nakba. Although I was previously indifferent to its inclusion, I'll be removing it. Specifically the reasons for this removal are that it is undue for the lead and that the lead is already very long so there are certain things like this which will simply have to be omitted. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 09:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
References
It is impossible to arrive at a definite persuasive estimate. My predilection would be to opt for the loose contemporary British formula, that of 'between 600,000 and 760,000' refugees; but, if pressed, 700,000 is probably a fair estimate
One of the most important problems which must be cleared up before a lasting peace can be established in Palestine is the question of the more than 700,000 Arab refugees who during the Palestine conflict fled from their homes in what is now Israeli occupied territory and are at present living as refugees in Arab Palestine and the neighbouring Arab states.
Approximately 700,000 refugees from the Palestine hostilities, now located principally in Arab Palestine, Transjordan, Lebanon and Syria, will require repatriation to Israel or resettlement in the Arab states.
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The word "Palestine" in: "The following day, the surrounding Arab armies and expeditionary forces invaded Palestine, beginning the 1948 Arab–Israeli War." should be changed from Israel, as the invading Arab armies attacked the newly declared state of Israel, and not Palestine. Discover ( talk) 00:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
IOHANNVSVERVS, could you please explain your
revert? The declaration only technically preceded the termination of the mandate.
Your argument here isn't clear to me.
'Zionist leadership' is better phrasing than 'Jewish leadership' in this instance because the people in question were not rabbinical figures or religious leaders; they were statesmen and leaders of Zionist organizations such as the Zionist Organization and the Jewish Agency. إيان ( talk) 09:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
@ IOHANNVSVERVS, I believe that you have made 2 reverts within the last 24 hours. Please kindly self-revert your last edit. Alaexis ¿question? 22:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period.Alaexis ¿question? 17:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, I'm fine with leaving the details of Plan Dalet outside of the lede. If we do include the description ("an offensive operation conquering territory for the planned establishment of a Jewish state") then we should also provide a context for the plan, that it was implemented in anticipation of the intervention by the Arab states. Alaexis ¿question? 23:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
“ | Plan D, formulated in early March and signed and dispatched to the Haganah brigade commanders on 10 March, was Yadin’s blueprint for concerted operations on the eve of the final British departure and the pan-Arab invasion that was expected to follow hard on its heels | ” |
Should we mention the exodus of Jews from Arab countries during and immediately after the war in the lede of this article? Alaexis ¿question? 23:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
IOHANNVSVERVS, why? إيان ( talk) 20:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Why not?Because Wikipedia is not a reliable sourceǃ Come on, this is elementary stuff. إيان ( talk) 21:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Feel free to edit it to your preferred version, I don't feel strongly about it,above, please explain. إيان ( talk) 18:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to start making changes and especially additions to the photos in this article.
Not sure how to deal with copyright concerns and attirbution requirements etc however. I believe all images from this time and place are now in the public domain due to how long ago this all was. But what requirements are there for attribution with such images? Do I have to attribute photographer as well as the specific source (Haaretz for example) I got the photo from? Not sure how this all works.
If someone could advise me or point me to where I can learn more about the relevant policies I'd appreciate it.
Thank you, IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 11:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Alaexis, in your
you argue that per the main article, only the second phase was peasant-led
. Please understand that
Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Please also see the cited reliable source:
The title alone should be sufficient. إيان ( talk) 18:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
It seems like Salt is talking about Jerusalem rather than about the whole Mandatory Palestine. The word "its" in the first line of page 231 refers to the subject of the sentence, that is "Jerusalem." Alaexis ¿question? 20:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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It seems undue for there to be an entire section dedicated to "Israeli usage of biological warfare". It's also only one paragraph. This information should probably be merged into the "Course of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War" section where appropriate.
- IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 08:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
British Mandate was split and Transjordan (77% of the Mandate) was assigned to the arabs and Palestinians.
The text says contrary to obvious discrepancies in view of maps that the part assigned to Israeli was 78%. Wkaisa ( talk) 07:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I've made significant changes to the lead, primarily to shorten its excessive length but also adding details about the Palestinian expulsions.
I think I've improved it a lot but that it can still be further improved, especially the opening paragraph. I considered taking out the mention of the Nakba and the expulsions from the opening paragraph but I wasn't sure about that.
Any feedback or suggestions are welcome. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 09:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
the war indirectly created a second, major refugee problem.Not mentioning it is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. Alaexis ¿question? 20:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
What do editors here think about the final paragraph of the lead (which has been changing a lot recently) as implemented here [1] and which reads:
During the war, massacres and acts of terror were conducted by and against both sides. A campaign of massacres and violence against the Arab population, such as occurred at Lydda and Ramle and the Battle of Haifa, led to the expulsion and flight of over 700,000 Palestinians, with most of their urban areas being depopulated and destroyed. This violence and dispossession of the Palestinians is known today as the Nakba ( Arabic for "the disaster") [1] and resulted in the beginning of the Palestinian refugee problem.
@ BanyanClimber, @ Alaexis, @ Levivich
- IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 23:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
That is not treating that emigration as a major topic of the war, not in any way. nableezy - 22:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)In Arab countries, the defeat of the Arab armies and the exodus of the Palestinian Arabs exacerbated an already difficult situation. In December 1947, a pogrom and the destruction of synagogues in Aleppo persuaded half the city’s Jewish population to leave. In Egypt, arrests, killings and confiscations catalyzed the flight of nearly 40 per cent of the Jewis hcommunity by 1950. In Kuwait, the minuscule number of Jews were expelled. In Iraq, the Criminal Code was amended in July 1948 such that Zionists were lumped together with Anarchists and Communists. The death penalty could be meted out to adherents or they could be sentenced to many years’ imprisonment. Enforced emigration to Israel became the officially permitted route out of Iraq for an increasingly oppressed Jewish community. Israel ironically became the unlikely destination for many Jewish Communists despite their opposition to Zionism. In Libya, Algeria and Morocco, there were periodic outbreaks of anti-Jewish violence. Over 37 per cent of Jews in Islamic countries – the Arab world, Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan – left for Israel between May 1948 and the beginning of 1952. This amounted to 56 per cent of the total immigration.
In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel from Europe and Arab lands, with one third of them having left or been expelled from their countries of residence in the Middle East. [3] [4] [5] These refugees were absorbed into Israel in the One Million Plan. [6] [7] [8] [9]
“ | The war was one of the reasons for the Jewish exodus from the Muslim world, with 37% of local Jews leaving Muslim countries in 1948-1951 | ” |
Alaexis ¿question? 22:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
1. Benny Morris, 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. The exodus of the Jewish population is discussed at length (pp. 412-416) in the chapter Some conclusions.
“ | The war indirectly created a second, major refugee problem. Partly because of the clash of Jewish and Arab arms in Palestine, some five to six hundred thousand Jews who lived in the Arab world emigrated, were intimidated into flight, or were expelled from their native countries, most of them reaching Israel, with a minority resettling in France, Britain, and the other Western countries. The immediate propellants to flight were the popular Arab hostility, including pogroms, triggered by the war in Palestine and specific governmental measures, amounting to institutionalized discrimination against and oppression of the Jewish minority communities. | ” |
2. Shlaim & Rogan, The War for Palestine. Rewriting the History of 1948. Edward Said (!) who wrote the Afterword mentions it as one of the effects of the war on the Arab world, and there is a chapter about the Jews in Egypt (pp. 140-142). Alaexis ¿question? 22:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Colin Schindler. A history of modern Israel, pp. 63-64. The exodus is explicitly linked to the war:
“ | In Arab countries, the defeat of the Arab armies and the exodus of the Palestinian Arabs exacerbated an already difficult situation [pogroms, arrests, killings, confiscations]. Over 37 percent of Jews in Islamic countries ... left for Israel between May 1948 and the beginning of 1952 | ” |
Alaexis ¿question? 14:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
4.The Jews of the Middle East and North Africa in Modern Times, p. 150
“ | The Arab-Israeli War greatly accelerated the process whereby the Jewish minorities in the Arab countries were being alienated and isolated | ” |
p. 177
“ | The Arab-Israeli war may have been the catalyst for the mass exodus of Jews from most of the Arab countries | ” |
It also has a chapter The mass exodus begins about the flight/emigration of Jews from Arab countries between 1948 and the mid-1950s as a result of the war.
5. Anita Shapira also links the exodus and the war in Israel. A History. When discussing the immigration of Jews from the Arab countries she says (p. 223)
“ | throughout the Middle East and North Africa relations between Jews and Arabs had been strained, especially since the establishment of the Jewish State and the War of Independence | ” |
Alaexis ¿question? 15:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Ahron Bregman considers the defeat one of three main drivers of the exodus (A History of Israel, p. 71)
“ | growing numbers of Jews also arrived from Arab lands where their
position had become perilous and nearly untenable as a result of growing nationalism reinforced by religion, the humiliating Arab defeat and the creation of Israel on the land of Palestine in 1948 |
” |
Alaexis ¿question? 21:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Avi Bekker, The Forgotten Narrative: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
“ | In a few years, Jewish communities that had existed in the Middle East for more than 2,500 years were brutally expelled or had to run
for their lives... Following the Partition Resolution of November 1947... Middle Eastern Jews were the targets of official and popular incitement, state-legislated discrimination, and pogroms |
” |
There's more analysis of this issue/comparison in the article 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight:
The 1948 Palestinian exodus has also drawn comparisons with the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries, which involved the departure, flight, migration, and expulsion of 800000–1000000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries between 1948 and the 1970s. In three resolutions between 2007 and 2012 ( H.Res. 185, S.Res. 85, H.R. 6242), the US Congress called on the Barack Obama administration to "pair any explicit reference to Palestinian refugees with a similar reference to Jewish or other refugee populations". [10] [11] [12]
Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath has rejected the comparison, arguing that the ideological and historical significance of the two population movements are totally different and that any similarity is superficial. Porath says that the immigration of Jews from Arab countries to Israel, expelled or not, was from a Jewish-Zionist perspective the fulfilment of "a national dream" and of Israeli national policy in the form of the One Million Plan. He notes the efforts of Israeli agents working in Arab countries, including those of the Jewish Agency in various Arab countries since the 1930s, to assist a Jewish " aliyah". Porath contrasts this with what he calls the "national calamity" and "unending personal tragedies" suffered by the Palestinians that resulted in "the collapse of the Palestinian community, the fragmentation of a people, and the loss of a country that had in the past been mostly Arabic-speaking and Islamic". [13]
Israeli academic Yehouda Shenhav has written in an article entitled "Hitching A Ride on the Magic Carpet" published in the Israeli daily Haaretz regarding this issue. " Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists." full citation needed In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee." [14]
- IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 04:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
I rewrote some of the section about the Jewish exodus from the Muslim world [2]. I post this here for review. Especially @ Alaexis I would like to make sure these changes seem accurate to you. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 22:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Coming back to this again after some time I find that the sentence "The results of the war also led to the beginning of the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries." doesn't belong in the lead, and that it especially doesn't belong at the end of the paragraph about the Nakba. Although I was previously indifferent to its inclusion, I'll be removing it. Specifically the reasons for this removal are that it is undue for the lead and that the lead is already very long so there are certain things like this which will simply have to be omitted. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 09:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
References
It is impossible to arrive at a definite persuasive estimate. My predilection would be to opt for the loose contemporary British formula, that of 'between 600,000 and 760,000' refugees; but, if pressed, 700,000 is probably a fair estimate
One of the most important problems which must be cleared up before a lasting peace can be established in Palestine is the question of the more than 700,000 Arab refugees who during the Palestine conflict fled from their homes in what is now Israeli occupied territory and are at present living as refugees in Arab Palestine and the neighbouring Arab states.
Approximately 700,000 refugees from the Palestine hostilities, now located principally in Arab Palestine, Transjordan, Lebanon and Syria, will require repatriation to Israel or resettlement in the Arab states.
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The word "Palestine" in: "The following day, the surrounding Arab armies and expeditionary forces invaded Palestine, beginning the 1948 Arab–Israeli War." should be changed from Israel, as the invading Arab armies attacked the newly declared state of Israel, and not Palestine. Discover ( talk) 00:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
IOHANNVSVERVS, could you please explain your
revert? The declaration only technically preceded the termination of the mandate.
Your argument here isn't clear to me.
'Zionist leadership' is better phrasing than 'Jewish leadership' in this instance because the people in question were not rabbinical figures or religious leaders; they were statesmen and leaders of Zionist organizations such as the Zionist Organization and the Jewish Agency. إيان ( talk) 09:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
@ IOHANNVSVERVS, I believe that you have made 2 reverts within the last 24 hours. Please kindly self-revert your last edit. Alaexis ¿question? 22:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period.Alaexis ¿question? 17:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, I'm fine with leaving the details of Plan Dalet outside of the lede. If we do include the description ("an offensive operation conquering territory for the planned establishment of a Jewish state") then we should also provide a context for the plan, that it was implemented in anticipation of the intervention by the Arab states. Alaexis ¿question? 23:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
“ | Plan D, formulated in early March and signed and dispatched to the Haganah brigade commanders on 10 March, was Yadin’s blueprint for concerted operations on the eve of the final British departure and the pan-Arab invasion that was expected to follow hard on its heels | ” |
Should we mention the exodus of Jews from Arab countries during and immediately after the war in the lede of this article? Alaexis ¿question? 23:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
IOHANNVSVERVS, why? إيان ( talk) 20:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Why not?Because Wikipedia is not a reliable sourceǃ Come on, this is elementary stuff. إيان ( talk) 21:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Feel free to edit it to your preferred version, I don't feel strongly about it,above, please explain. إيان ( talk) 18:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to start making changes and especially additions to the photos in this article.
Not sure how to deal with copyright concerns and attirbution requirements etc however. I believe all images from this time and place are now in the public domain due to how long ago this all was. But what requirements are there for attribution with such images? Do I have to attribute photographer as well as the specific source (Haaretz for example) I got the photo from? Not sure how this all works.
If someone could advise me or point me to where I can learn more about the relevant policies I'd appreciate it.
Thank you, IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 11:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Alaexis, in your
you argue that per the main article, only the second phase was peasant-led
. Please understand that
Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Please also see the cited reliable source:
The title alone should be sufficient. إيان ( talk) 18:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
It seems like Salt is talking about Jerusalem rather than about the whole Mandatory Palestine. The word "its" in the first line of page 231 refers to the subject of the sentence, that is "Jerusalem." Alaexis ¿question? 20:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)