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On Talk:1947_Rawalpindi_killings-- DBig Xray 19:24, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Punjab was witness to unprecedented violence along religious lines during the Partition and (probably) deserves its own page but why do we have this stub focused on a particular district and sourced from poor scholarship?
cc:@ RegentsPark, since you had !voted to preserve this article. Where are our sources? TrangaBellam ( talk) 17:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Master Tara Singh flashing his kirpan outside the Assembly is a much-repeated trope. I don't think Ishtiaq Ahmed thought about his information carefully and Hajari is just a journalist. The real story is something like this.
On 2 March, Tiwana resigned. Why he resigned is not entirely clear. Nor is it clear whether he consulted Akalis and Congress before doing so. They are said to have been "shocked", because their majority was intact.
On 3 March, I guess the Muslim League tried to form a government, for which it needed the Sikh support. (Congress was of course an anathema.) Sikhs had long decided that Muslim League could not be supported. Whatever happened inside the Assembly is not known, but when the legislators came out, they shouted "Pakistan Murdabad". Here is a balanced account of the happenings:
In this context, and to facilitate the transfer of power to the majority party in the province, Khizr Hayat Khan resigned as premier on March 2, 1947. Master Tara Singh recalls that Sikhs and Hindus were anxious about the future of Punjab if the Muslim League formed the government. Therefore, he went to the Assembly with legislators, and suggested that the League should be opposed in a determined way so that the fears of Sikhs and Hindus could be allayed. They came out shouting "Pakistan Murdabad (Down with Pakistan)." Master Tara Singh was probably customarily holding a kirpan (sword) at that time, which might have given currency to the rumour that he had unsheathed his sword and torn the Muslim League flag (see Talbot & Singh, 2009, 44). However, according to his own memoirs and the eye-witness account of Sadhu Singh Hamdard, the editor of the Ajit, there was no such flag, and the question of its being torn did not arise.... At any rate, after the categorical refusal of the Congress and the Akalis to support the ML in the forming of a government, and in the light of the rapidly escalating violence, governor's rule was imposed in Punjab. [1]
This shows that the emphasis on Master Tara Singh is quite undue. Neither was it a call to violence. It was a political battle, albeit inflammatory. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 00:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Do you know that Shaukat Hayat Khan, the chief organiser of the Muslim League National Guard, was Sikandar Hayat Khan's son? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 23:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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Please do not use trade histories in areas like these. Why are we using Nisid Hajari? TrangaBellam ( talk) 18:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Scholars wonder about what strategy the Muslim League was following. It had 73 legislators. There were 20 Muslim legislators of the Unionist Party accordng to Korson. The League needed 15 legislators to attain a majority of 88. The events imply that it didn't get them. So all this gaming was in vain. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 00:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
“Mamdot [leader, Punjab Muslim League] claimed to enjoy the support of eighty-seven members of the Punjab Assembly. That included seventy-eight members from his party, including three others that had joined the Muslim League, two caste Hindus who had been elected on Unionist tickets, four scheduled caste representatives, two Indian Christians, and one Sikh. Glancy expressed doubts about Mamdot’s claims. He showed him a letter signed by Hindus, of both castes saying that they continued to adhere to the Unionist Party. When confronted on the question of support of the four scheduled caste representatives, Mamdot admitted he was not definite about their support. With regard to the Indian Christians, Mamdot said that he could be sure of the support of only one of them. The governor estimated that the Muslim League had only the support of eighty legislators.”
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The reason I inserted the AICC quote instead of paraphrasing it is because Ian Talbot has it in full in all the works about the massacres that he has written. The quote is also reproduced by Ishtiaq Ahmed. They are two of this article’s major sources. UnpetitproleX ( talk) 14:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
1947 Rawalpindi massacres was nominated as a History good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (April 25, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
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On Talk:1947_Rawalpindi_killings-- DBig Xray 19:24, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Punjab was witness to unprecedented violence along religious lines during the Partition and (probably) deserves its own page but why do we have this stub focused on a particular district and sourced from poor scholarship?
cc:@ RegentsPark, since you had !voted to preserve this article. Where are our sources? TrangaBellam ( talk) 17:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Master Tara Singh flashing his kirpan outside the Assembly is a much-repeated trope. I don't think Ishtiaq Ahmed thought about his information carefully and Hajari is just a journalist. The real story is something like this.
On 2 March, Tiwana resigned. Why he resigned is not entirely clear. Nor is it clear whether he consulted Akalis and Congress before doing so. They are said to have been "shocked", because their majority was intact.
On 3 March, I guess the Muslim League tried to form a government, for which it needed the Sikh support. (Congress was of course an anathema.) Sikhs had long decided that Muslim League could not be supported. Whatever happened inside the Assembly is not known, but when the legislators came out, they shouted "Pakistan Murdabad". Here is a balanced account of the happenings:
In this context, and to facilitate the transfer of power to the majority party in the province, Khizr Hayat Khan resigned as premier on March 2, 1947. Master Tara Singh recalls that Sikhs and Hindus were anxious about the future of Punjab if the Muslim League formed the government. Therefore, he went to the Assembly with legislators, and suggested that the League should be opposed in a determined way so that the fears of Sikhs and Hindus could be allayed. They came out shouting "Pakistan Murdabad (Down with Pakistan)." Master Tara Singh was probably customarily holding a kirpan (sword) at that time, which might have given currency to the rumour that he had unsheathed his sword and torn the Muslim League flag (see Talbot & Singh, 2009, 44). However, according to his own memoirs and the eye-witness account of Sadhu Singh Hamdard, the editor of the Ajit, there was no such flag, and the question of its being torn did not arise.... At any rate, after the categorical refusal of the Congress and the Akalis to support the ML in the forming of a government, and in the light of the rapidly escalating violence, governor's rule was imposed in Punjab. [1]
This shows that the emphasis on Master Tara Singh is quite undue. Neither was it a call to violence. It was a political battle, albeit inflammatory. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 00:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Do you know that Shaukat Hayat Khan, the chief organiser of the Muslim League National Guard, was Sikandar Hayat Khan's son? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 23:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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Please do not use trade histories in areas like these. Why are we using Nisid Hajari? TrangaBellam ( talk) 18:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Scholars wonder about what strategy the Muslim League was following. It had 73 legislators. There were 20 Muslim legislators of the Unionist Party accordng to Korson. The League needed 15 legislators to attain a majority of 88. The events imply that it didn't get them. So all this gaming was in vain. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 00:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
“Mamdot [leader, Punjab Muslim League] claimed to enjoy the support of eighty-seven members of the Punjab Assembly. That included seventy-eight members from his party, including three others that had joined the Muslim League, two caste Hindus who had been elected on Unionist tickets, four scheduled caste representatives, two Indian Christians, and one Sikh. Glancy expressed doubts about Mamdot’s claims. He showed him a letter signed by Hindus, of both castes saying that they continued to adhere to the Unionist Party. When confronted on the question of support of the four scheduled caste representatives, Mamdot admitted he was not definite about their support. With regard to the Indian Christians, Mamdot said that he could be sure of the support of only one of them. The governor estimated that the Muslim League had only the support of eighty legislators.”
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The reason I inserted the AICC quote instead of paraphrasing it is because Ian Talbot has it in full in all the works about the massacres that he has written. The quote is also reproduced by Ishtiaq Ahmed. They are two of this article’s major sources. UnpetitproleX ( talk) 14:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)