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The topic gets featured as today's Google Doodle and Wikipedia's On This day. Semiprotection/pending changes protection is a must hence its timing, nature, importance and is a featured article on Wikipedia. Ryan ( talk) 04:23, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
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The German quote needs a translation... otherwise should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanlavisbad ( talk • contribs) 09:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
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In the "Venues" section we're told that the fencing events were held "at the Zappeion" (which makes sense, since it is a building), but that the sport shooting events were held "at the Kallithea" (which doesn't, since Kallithea is simply a district of Athens). This should presumably be changed to "at Kallithea" (as later on in the article), so I've done so ("in Kallithea" would in fact be even better English). This error may be due to the fact that the Greek words for "in Kallithea" (στην Καλλιθέα) literally mean "in the Kallithea", which suggests that the article was written, unedited, by a native Greek-speaker. 188.230.240.75 ( talk) 12:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
The calendar no longer has dots that lead to links showing the events. We could either:
1. Create a list of every event in the 1896 Olympics, or
2. Repurpose the calendar.
I won't touch a thing until a decision is made.
M0ntenegro ( talk) 00:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
If one cares (dares?) to visit the homepage of IOC, [ [1]], one can make the dull observation that they never talk about any "summer olympics", they only talk about Olympic games and Winter Olympic Games. The name of this article is thus slightly mistaken, in the parlance of the Olympic Committee at least. Why not set it straight? 1896 Olympics -- 78.73.226.176 ( talk) 18:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
The second paragraph begins thus: "Thirteen nations and 280 athletes (all males) took part in the games..." Just five sentences further: "Ten of the 14 participating nations earned medals."
So was it thirteen nations or fourteen?!
The summary paragraphs state that the only non-European team at the games was the Americans, yet later on the article mentions a singular Chilean athlete at the games. Is this an error or is it non technically a mistake because he was possibly there by himself. If the latter is true should the intro summary be changed to be more clear about the number of non-European athletes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allhutsincuba ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. There are valid arguments on both sides, but neither side is significantly stronger than the other, therefore, there is not a clear enough consensus to change the status quo. Given the multiple relists, it is unlikely a clear consensus would develop if this RM were left open for longer. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 17:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
– Disambiguation with "Summer" is not required, as the Winter Olympics did not begin until 1924, and the current title is not the WP:COMMONNAME: 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1916, 1920 BilledMammal ( talk) 18:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Elli ( talk | contribs) 00:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 ( トークページ) 16:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
extremely uncommon names, and the name 1916 Summer Olympics is extremely uncommon, with the use of it too low to appear in ngrams. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:45, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. As with last year's RM, there's no clear consensus on how to interpret the article titles policy with regards to these articles. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 19:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
– Per WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, and WP:COMMONNAME. The current disambiguation with Summer is not required, as the Winter Olympics did not begin until 1924, and inaccurate, as the 1908 and 1920 Olympics included Winter events, and the cancelled 1916 Olympics would have included Winter events. The proposed title is also the COMMONNAME for these events, per ngrams: 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1916, 1920 BilledMammal ( talk) 15:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. And the previous problem that was raised: where shortening those titles would require prior knowledge from the reader to know why the naming convention changed prior to the start of theses separate Olympics. Instead we should still keep some WP:CONSIST across these articles. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 18:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
good reason to change it. I also believe moving the article to comply with WP:COMMONNAME is a good reason to change it.
Games | YEAR Summer Olympics | YEAR Olympics |
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1896 Olympics | 87 results | 356 results |
1900 Olympics | 53 results | 227 results |
1904 Olympics | 64 results | 391 results |
1908 Olympics | 90 results | 565 results |
1912 Olympics | 118 results | 828 results |
1916 Olympics | 10 results | 153 results |
1920 Olympics | 91 results | 413 results |
If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. Shortening those titles would require prior knowledge from the reader to know why the naming convention changed. Keep WP:CONSIST across Olympics articles. Jeff in CA ( talk) 07:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
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The topic gets featured as today's Google Doodle and Wikipedia's On This day. Semiprotection/pending changes protection is a must hence its timing, nature, importance and is a featured article on Wikipedia. Ryan ( talk) 04:23, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
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The German quote needs a translation... otherwise should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanlavisbad ( talk • contribs) 09:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
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In the "Venues" section we're told that the fencing events were held "at the Zappeion" (which makes sense, since it is a building), but that the sport shooting events were held "at the Kallithea" (which doesn't, since Kallithea is simply a district of Athens). This should presumably be changed to "at Kallithea" (as later on in the article), so I've done so ("in Kallithea" would in fact be even better English). This error may be due to the fact that the Greek words for "in Kallithea" (στην Καλλιθέα) literally mean "in the Kallithea", which suggests that the article was written, unedited, by a native Greek-speaker. 188.230.240.75 ( talk) 12:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
The calendar no longer has dots that lead to links showing the events. We could either:
1. Create a list of every event in the 1896 Olympics, or
2. Repurpose the calendar.
I won't touch a thing until a decision is made.
M0ntenegro ( talk) 00:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
If one cares (dares?) to visit the homepage of IOC, [ [1]], one can make the dull observation that they never talk about any "summer olympics", they only talk about Olympic games and Winter Olympic Games. The name of this article is thus slightly mistaken, in the parlance of the Olympic Committee at least. Why not set it straight? 1896 Olympics -- 78.73.226.176 ( talk) 18:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
The second paragraph begins thus: "Thirteen nations and 280 athletes (all males) took part in the games..." Just five sentences further: "Ten of the 14 participating nations earned medals."
So was it thirteen nations or fourteen?!
The summary paragraphs state that the only non-European team at the games was the Americans, yet later on the article mentions a singular Chilean athlete at the games. Is this an error or is it non technically a mistake because he was possibly there by himself. If the latter is true should the intro summary be changed to be more clear about the number of non-European athletes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allhutsincuba ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. There are valid arguments on both sides, but neither side is significantly stronger than the other, therefore, there is not a clear enough consensus to change the status quo. Given the multiple relists, it is unlikely a clear consensus would develop if this RM were left open for longer. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 17:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
– Disambiguation with "Summer" is not required, as the Winter Olympics did not begin until 1924, and the current title is not the WP:COMMONNAME: 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1916, 1920 BilledMammal ( talk) 18:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Elli ( talk | contribs) 00:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 ( トークページ) 16:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
extremely uncommon names, and the name 1916 Summer Olympics is extremely uncommon, with the use of it too low to appear in ngrams. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:45, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 6 March 2023. The result of the move review was Endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: no consensus. As with last year's RM, there's no clear consensus on how to interpret the article titles policy with regards to these articles. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 19:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
– Per WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, and WP:COMMONNAME. The current disambiguation with Summer is not required, as the Winter Olympics did not begin until 1924, and inaccurate, as the 1908 and 1920 Olympics included Winter events, and the cancelled 1916 Olympics would have included Winter events. The proposed title is also the COMMONNAME for these events, per ngrams: 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1916, 1920 BilledMammal ( talk) 15:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. And the previous problem that was raised: where shortening those titles would require prior knowledge from the reader to know why the naming convention changed prior to the start of theses separate Olympics. Instead we should still keep some WP:CONSIST across these articles. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 18:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
good reason to change it. I also believe moving the article to comply with WP:COMMONNAME is a good reason to change it.
Games | YEAR Summer Olympics | YEAR Olympics |
---|---|---|
1896 Olympics | 87 results | 356 results |
1900 Olympics | 53 results | 227 results |
1904 Olympics | 64 results | 391 results |
1908 Olympics | 90 results | 565 results |
1912 Olympics | 118 results | 828 results |
1916 Olympics | 10 results | 153 results |
1920 Olympics | 91 results | 413 results |
If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. Shortening those titles would require prior knowledge from the reader to know why the naming convention changed. Keep WP:CONSIST across Olympics articles. Jeff in CA ( talk) 07:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)