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There's very little to no space devoted to the replacement plan. This covers what was going to happen, not what actually did in the end.
To get someone started, (at least with search terms) here are two pieces from the New York Daily News (one an editorial)
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-gateway-20190429-xi3rcvu3szh7vfmbz7gasl3shu-story.htm
Sammy Finkelman
- The first link is already in the article. The modified plan is covered further down. epicgenius ( talk) 00:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Background
Combine the parts of "Background" that deal with the damage caused by Hurricane Sandy into Paragraph 1, and those that deal with the immediate aftermath into Paragraph 2.In October 2012, Hurricane Sandy caused severe damage to New York City,
Should ideally launch intoThe storm flooded nine of the system's 14 underwater tunnels [...] and completely destroyed a portion of the IND Rockaway Line (A train) in Queens, [...].
- Done
Elaborate on this years of needed repairs.- Done The repairs were staggered over several years.
Planning
- <s.Citation [6] is repeated three times without need in the first paragraph of "Closure options".
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Removed
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between Bedford Avenue in Brooklyn and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan
Specify that "Bedford Avenue" and "Eighth Avenue" here are stations and not the streets.- Done
The L train needs a wikilink.- Done
and running the M to [...] G, J/Z and M [...] of the G would [...] The M's peak [...] except for the A and R would [...] The J/Z and M would [...] The G would also [...] the G would not [...] suspended L service
Expand with the word "train"/"trains".- Done
and East Village, Manhattan,
Consider "the East Village".- Done
Lorimer Street (J and M trains),
Redundant link to the M train here.- Rearranged
The SBS, NYCDOT, NYCEDC acronyms are not explained.- Done
speeded up transit times
sped up- Done
transit times for transit riders
Delete one of these "transits".- Done
January 6, 2019, three months before the tunnel is set to shut down
This should not be present-tense.- Done
Free transfers will be available
If this is supposed to be present-tense, use "are". If not, "would".- Done this was in the past tense.
epicgenius (
talk) 16:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
ferry and two Select Bus Service routes [...] the L5 will not be a Select Bus Service route
Redundant links for SBS.- Done Also, I trimmed this a bit since the route was not implemented.
analysis of possible effect
the possible effect- Done
What's a benchwall?-
Added
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The busway would have the same vehicle restrictions as originally planned: the only vehicles that could use the busway would be buses, trucks making deliveries on 14th Street, emergency and Access-A-Ride vehicles, and local traffic traveling for no more than one block.
Nothing after the colon here is required.- Done
However, the busway was not implemented as scheduled in July 2019.[94][95] The implementation of the busway was pushed back to August,[96][97] before finally taking effect on October 3, 2019.[98][99]
Condense.- Done
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The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 19:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- ... that a documentary and a board game have been made about the
14th Street Tunnel shutdown? Source: AM New York:
documentary,
board game
- ALT1:... that when first announced, the 14th Street Tunnel shutdown was projected to cost between $800 million and $1 billion? Source: NY Times
- ALT2:... that many Brooklyn residents and business owners moved as a result of the 14th Street Tunnel shutdown, only for the closure to be curtailed? Source: Gothamist
Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius ( talk) and Kew Gardens 613 ( talk). Nominated by Epicgenius ( talk) at 14:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC).
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90% of the article is about the planning of the operation, with a paltry few lines about the actual construction. (Admittedly, the planning did drag on and generate more news than the actual work.) At the time, it was useful and informative for people who needed to know what was happening recently, but now that it's done, the blow-by-blow is rather excessive. Time to trim it down? SilverbackNet talk 02:39, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- That is an exaggeration of the sections' sizes, as I would not call a five-paragraph section "a paltry few lines about the actual construction". Nevertheless, trimming some of the minor details is probably the best way to go. Realistically I don't think a wholesale removal should happen, as that would be a rather drastic revision to an article that was recently reviewed for Good Article status. But details about service revisions might be okay. Pinging
Kew Gardens 613 about this as well.
epicgenius (
talk) 13:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- If anything, we should just increase details on the actual construction. The weekly L Project Newsletters have a lot of information I can add when I have a chance-maybe in June I will have time.--
Kew Gardens 613 (
talk) 14:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Kew Gardens 613, that sounds good. epicgenius ( talk) 15:41, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- If anything, we should just increase details on the actual construction. The weekly L Project Newsletters have a lot of information I can add when I have a chance-maybe in June I will have time.--
Kew Gardens 613 (
talk) 14:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Honestly, looking at it now over a year later, I agree this should be trimmed. For one thing, more than anything, so much of the detail about the plans never happened because of the change of plans. And a lot of those details are far too trivial for an encyclopedia article. They ultimately don't show long term significance, making a lot of it a WP:NOTNEWS issue. Plus the article needs an audit for tense, as some parts are still in simple future tense, saying what will happen, when the whole project has not only been completed, but those things never happened because of the entire course change. It's a wonderfully researched article, but it was clearly written as an ongoing record of the project, not a retrospective overview. oknazevad ( talk) 02:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 16:30, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
There's very little to no space devoted to the replacement plan. This covers what was going to happen, not what actually did in the end.
To get someone started, (at least with search terms) here are two pieces from the New York Daily News (one an editorial)
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-gateway-20190429-xi3rcvu3szh7vfmbz7gasl3shu-story.htm
Sammy Finkelman
- The first link is already in the article. The modified plan is covered further down. epicgenius ( talk) 00:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Epicgenius: Hi again. –
♠Vami
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- @ Vami IV: Thanks for the quick review. I have resolved these issues. epicgenius ( talk) 16:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Background
Combine the parts of "Background" that deal with the damage caused by Hurricane Sandy into Paragraph 1, and those that deal with the immediate aftermath into Paragraph 2.In October 2012, Hurricane Sandy caused severe damage to New York City,
Should ideally launch intoThe storm flooded nine of the system's 14 underwater tunnels [...] and completely destroyed a portion of the IND Rockaway Line (A train) in Queens, [...].
- Done
Elaborate on this years of needed repairs.- Done The repairs were staggered over several years.
Planning
- <s.Citation [6] is repeated three times without need in the first paragraph of "Closure options".
-
Removed
-
between Bedford Avenue in Brooklyn and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan
Specify that "Bedford Avenue" and "Eighth Avenue" here are stations and not the streets.- Done
The L train needs a wikilink.- Done
and running the M to [...] G, J/Z and M [...] of the G would [...] The M's peak [...] except for the A and R would [...] The J/Z and M would [...] The G would also [...] the G would not [...] suspended L service
Expand with the word "train"/"trains".- Done
and East Village, Manhattan,
Consider "the East Village".- Done
Lorimer Street (J and M trains),
Redundant link to the M train here.- Rearranged
The SBS, NYCDOT, NYCEDC acronyms are not explained.- Done
speeded up transit times
sped up- Done
transit times for transit riders
Delete one of these "transits".- Done
January 6, 2019, three months before the tunnel is set to shut down
This should not be present-tense.- Done
Free transfers will be available
If this is supposed to be present-tense, use "are". If not, "would".- Done this was in the past tense.
epicgenius (
talk) 16:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
ferry and two Select Bus Service routes [...] the L5 will not be a Select Bus Service route
Redundant links for SBS.- Done Also, I trimmed this a bit since the route was not implemented.
analysis of possible effect
the possible effect- Done
What's a benchwall?-
Added
-
The busway would have the same vehicle restrictions as originally planned: the only vehicles that could use the busway would be buses, trucks making deliveries on 14th Street, emergency and Access-A-Ride vehicles, and local traffic traveling for no more than one block.
Nothing after the colon here is required.- Done
However, the busway was not implemented as scheduled in July 2019.[94][95] The implementation of the busway was pushed back to August,[96][97] before finally taking effect on October 3, 2019.[98][99]
Condense.- Done
GA progress
Images are relevant and free, though few in number. Article passes copyvio scanning with 23% likelihood. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 14:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 19:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- ... that a documentary and a board game have been made about the
14th Street Tunnel shutdown? Source: AM New York:
documentary,
board game
- ALT1:... that when first announced, the 14th Street Tunnel shutdown was projected to cost between $800 million and $1 billion? Source: NY Times
- ALT2:... that many Brooklyn residents and business owners moved as a result of the 14th Street Tunnel shutdown, only for the closure to be curtailed? Source: Gothamist
Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius ( talk) and Kew Gardens 613 ( talk). Nominated by Epicgenius ( talk) at 14:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC).
<
90% of the article is about the planning of the operation, with a paltry few lines about the actual construction. (Admittedly, the planning did drag on and generate more news than the actual work.) At the time, it was useful and informative for people who needed to know what was happening recently, but now that it's done, the blow-by-blow is rather excessive. Time to trim it down? SilverbackNet talk 02:39, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- That is an exaggeration of the sections' sizes, as I would not call a five-paragraph section "a paltry few lines about the actual construction". Nevertheless, trimming some of the minor details is probably the best way to go. Realistically I don't think a wholesale removal should happen, as that would be a rather drastic revision to an article that was recently reviewed for Good Article status. But details about service revisions might be okay. Pinging
Kew Gardens 613 about this as well.
epicgenius (
talk) 13:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- If anything, we should just increase details on the actual construction. The weekly L Project Newsletters have a lot of information I can add when I have a chance-maybe in June I will have time.--
Kew Gardens 613 (
talk) 14:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Kew Gardens 613, that sounds good. epicgenius ( talk) 15:41, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- If anything, we should just increase details on the actual construction. The weekly L Project Newsletters have a lot of information I can add when I have a chance-maybe in June I will have time.--
Kew Gardens 613 (
talk) 14:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Honestly, looking at it now over a year later, I agree this should be trimmed. For one thing, more than anything, so much of the detail about the plans never happened because of the change of plans. And a lot of those details are far too trivial for an encyclopedia article. They ultimately don't show long term significance, making a lot of it a WP:NOTNEWS issue. Plus the article needs an audit for tense, as some parts are still in simple future tense, saying what will happen, when the whole project has not only been completed, but those things never happened because of the entire course change. It's a wonderfully researched article, but it was clearly written as an ongoing record of the project, not a retrospective overview. oknazevad ( talk) 02:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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