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What's the justification for including a final period in the title? Neither the movie poster depicted in the article, nor the
DVD cover, nor the
theatrical trailer have the period, and including it everywhere just makes the article read weird, since you can't tell that the period is nominally in italics. Could the person who made the change (or anyone else with the information) please cite an official source, at least here on the Talk page, so we can avoid reverts back and forth? Thanks,
Hqb 20:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Watch the movie, tonight if you have to, and you will see that the opening title appears after the children finish reciting The Pledge of Allegiance. It appears as "and justice for all." exactly like that (without the quotation marks, of course). You always capitalize the the first and last words in the title, etc. What's the justification in NOT including a final period in the title? TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT READS THIS: Go out and rent this tonight. I dare you. Find the screenshot of the title card with the "." and bring justice to this article.Bartman1776 00:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
I realize that the phrase displayed over the children's recital, like in the trailer, may well include the period. But that is not necessarily the official title of the film, to be used when referring to it. For example, we don't write the title in all-lowercase in the Wikipedia article, even though it was displayed like that. A more authoritative source would be the official studio credits, i.e., the little "Columbia Pictures presents / A Norman Jewinson film / ..." blurb you'll find on almost every movie poster and DVD cover. All the promotional materials that I cite above – both from the original and from later releases – do not include the final period (but do include the leading ellipsis). Thus, the version without the period is most likely the name under which the film is registered with the MPAA – who I suppose would be the ultimate arbiter. Unfortunately, they do not provide public access to their title database.
Hqb 19:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
IMDB has And Justice for All. with the period.
Carlitos (
talk) 23:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)reply
It
didn't use to, and since IMDB is based on user contributions, and doesn't cite any sources it's hard to say whether the title was changed for a solid reason, or just on someone's whim. In any case, not one of the 4 movie posters and DVD covers they show includes the period.
Hqb (
talk) 13:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Cultural References
This movie surely has hundreds of cultural references. An article about a movie of this stature hardly needs a cultural references section, because it is referenced pervasively in all media. The fact that the only cultural reference is an episode of 6teen doesn't show the cultural impact of the film. I think this section should either be greatly expanded, or preferably deleted altogether.
PeramWiki (
talk) 13:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Is there any possibility that Metallica's album "...and Justice For All" is referencing this?
142.177.212.191 (
talk) 23:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)reply
The opening credits list 12 cast members while the closing credits list 50
It may be noted that, in the film's opening credits, only twelve cast members are listed. Below is a reproduction of the form in which the cast is indicated:
The on-screen closing credits start with the following 11 alphabetically-ordered names: Featuring VICTOR ARNOLD VINCENT BECK MICHAEL GORRIN BAXTER HARRIS JOE MORTON ALAN NORTH TOM QUINN BEVERLY SANDERS CONNIE SAWYER CHARLES SIEBERT ROBERT SYMONDS The above 11 names are followed by the names of production personnel and, at the end of the credits crawl, the header CAST is followed by 50 names — the 12 names in the opening credits, the same 11 alphabetically-arranged names at the start of the closing credits, 9 additional alphabetically-arranged names and 18 names not in alphabetical order, but presumably in order of importance. Below is a reproduction of the order in which the cast is depicted in the closing credits (it should be noted that all 50 names scroll upward in the form of a continuous crawl — the below numbering of names and division into four columns is done solely for convenience of use):
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...And Justice for All. →
...And Justice for All (film) – As discussed above, and as in sources - the full stop is not present in
AFI catalogue or other reliable sources, only the unreliable imdb. Note that the disambiguation page will need to be updated if/when the page is moved.
PamD 07:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Support, for the reasons above. The article text has long omitted the final period; it just remains as an unexplained oddity in the article title itself.
Hqb (
talk) 16:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Support. It is not usually written with the period. The argument made in the past about the way the title appears on-screen in the movie itself is not a strong argument about the article title.
Adumbrativus (
talk) 05:02, 2 October 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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What's the justification for including a final period in the title? Neither the movie poster depicted in the article, nor the
DVD cover, nor the
theatrical trailer have the period, and including it everywhere just makes the article read weird, since you can't tell that the period is nominally in italics. Could the person who made the change (or anyone else with the information) please cite an official source, at least here on the Talk page, so we can avoid reverts back and forth? Thanks,
Hqb 20:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Watch the movie, tonight if you have to, and you will see that the opening title appears after the children finish reciting The Pledge of Allegiance. It appears as "and justice for all." exactly like that (without the quotation marks, of course). You always capitalize the the first and last words in the title, etc. What's the justification in NOT including a final period in the title? TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT READS THIS: Go out and rent this tonight. I dare you. Find the screenshot of the title card with the "." and bring justice to this article.Bartman1776 00:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
I realize that the phrase displayed over the children's recital, like in the trailer, may well include the period. But that is not necessarily the official title of the film, to be used when referring to it. For example, we don't write the title in all-lowercase in the Wikipedia article, even though it was displayed like that. A more authoritative source would be the official studio credits, i.e., the little "Columbia Pictures presents / A Norman Jewinson film / ..." blurb you'll find on almost every movie poster and DVD cover. All the promotional materials that I cite above – both from the original and from later releases – do not include the final period (but do include the leading ellipsis). Thus, the version without the period is most likely the name under which the film is registered with the MPAA – who I suppose would be the ultimate arbiter. Unfortunately, they do not provide public access to their title database.
Hqb 19:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
IMDB has And Justice for All. with the period.
Carlitos (
talk) 23:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)reply
It
didn't use to, and since IMDB is based on user contributions, and doesn't cite any sources it's hard to say whether the title was changed for a solid reason, or just on someone's whim. In any case, not one of the 4 movie posters and DVD covers they show includes the period.
Hqb (
talk) 13:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Cultural References
This movie surely has hundreds of cultural references. An article about a movie of this stature hardly needs a cultural references section, because it is referenced pervasively in all media. The fact that the only cultural reference is an episode of 6teen doesn't show the cultural impact of the film. I think this section should either be greatly expanded, or preferably deleted altogether.
PeramWiki (
talk) 13:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Is there any possibility that Metallica's album "...and Justice For All" is referencing this?
142.177.212.191 (
talk) 23:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)reply
The opening credits list 12 cast members while the closing credits list 50
It may be noted that, in the film's opening credits, only twelve cast members are listed. Below is a reproduction of the form in which the cast is indicated:
The on-screen closing credits start with the following 11 alphabetically-ordered names: Featuring VICTOR ARNOLD VINCENT BECK MICHAEL GORRIN BAXTER HARRIS JOE MORTON ALAN NORTH TOM QUINN BEVERLY SANDERS CONNIE SAWYER CHARLES SIEBERT ROBERT SYMONDS The above 11 names are followed by the names of production personnel and, at the end of the credits crawl, the header CAST is followed by 50 names — the 12 names in the opening credits, the same 11 alphabetically-arranged names at the start of the closing credits, 9 additional alphabetically-arranged names and 18 names not in alphabetical order, but presumably in order of importance. Below is a reproduction of the order in which the cast is depicted in the closing credits (it should be noted that all 50 names scroll upward in the form of a continuous crawl — the below numbering of names and division into four columns is done solely for convenience of use):
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
...And Justice for All. →
...And Justice for All (film) – As discussed above, and as in sources - the full stop is not present in
AFI catalogue or other reliable sources, only the unreliable imdb. Note that the disambiguation page will need to be updated if/when the page is moved.
PamD 07:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Support, for the reasons above. The article text has long omitted the final period; it just remains as an unexplained oddity in the article title itself.
Hqb (
talk) 16:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Support. It is not usually written with the period. The argument made in the past about the way the title appears on-screen in the movie itself is not a strong argument about the article title.
Adumbrativus (
talk) 05:02, 2 October 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
