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The passage on the second Alphege was copied verbatim from the Oxford Dictionary of Saints, very much in the copyright of the OUP. I've marked the article for appropriate consideration. Staffelde 22:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
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That should deal with most of it, thanks, as usual, for the detailed suggestions and the tweaks you made. Anything else you see? Ealdgyth | Talk 04:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
To allow for these changes to be made, I am placing the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 04:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand "His shrine, which was depreciated by Lanfranc". "depreciated" doesn't have an evident meaning in this context (it should be an accountancy term). Is it, on the analogy of uses in Romance languages, supposed to mean that Lanfranc said he didn't like it? Or something else?
And does "Saint Thomas Becket is said to have commended his life into St Alphege's care right before he was martyred." mean "just" before he was martyred?
Deipnosophista ( talk) 23:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a reference for his place of birth? There is some editing going on at Jacob Rees-Mogg who has named his son Alphege claiming he was born in his constituency with others stating that he wasn't. Expect help in resolving this authoritatively would be useful.— Rod talk 18:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I do think the name of this article is daft. This man is universally known as Alphege, or St Alphege. The article should be found under that name. He is venerated as Alphege. He is listed on the Church of England calendar as Alphege. The places and streets named after him in Canterbury are called Alphege. Anyone looking for him on Wikipedia will be looking for Alphege. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 01:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Alphege is the best name, as it is used in almost all reliable sources. And there are quite a few churches dedicated to the saint, not one of them called "St Ælfheah's". Moonraker ( talk) 12:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I can't see any indication as to whether the carving in the image being used for this article (File:Painted_carving_of_St_Alphege_in_Canterbury_Cathedral.jpg) is indeed a medieval rather than a modern work - not stated in the wiki article and the image is trimmed at the foot, should that have been detailed on the information notice IRL. Could you please clarify on this. Thanks, David. Harami2000 ( talk) 03:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Because this death is a martyrdom, I wonder whether any of the scholarship attempts to show that the manner in which Ælfheah was executed reflected a religious conflict. That is, the pelting with specific animal parts and the blow of the axe is broadly consistent with various sacrificial practices of the European Bronze and Iron Ages. It would be interesting to know whether the Danes might have thought they were trying to preserve their own religious heritage against the campaign of Christian conversion; this is speculation on my part, but if there were credible scholarship that has explored this possibility, a sentence would make this section of the article a little more balanced than "Christians good, unconverted barbarians bad and pointlessly violent". Cynwolfe ( talk) 14:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've double checked the dates and as of this moment, they are correct in Ælfheah of Canterbury. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations to all who helped raise this to FA status. Bearian ( talk) 19:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I come to a place where I might find a credible opinion. The statue of St Alphege on the west front of Salisbury Cathedral shows him with stones held in his upturned clothes and another stone, curiously, on his right shoulder. I see no mention of this in his attributes in this article. Can anyone offer an explanation? Richard Avery ( talk) 13:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
This bit "An incised paving slab to the north of the present high altar marks the spot where the medieval shrine is believed to have stood." is not supported by the ref that was given for it - not sure how it got that way and it's long water under the bridge anyway. Will dig to find a source for this. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
While browsing in search of references for my French translation of this article, I found this book from last year. It looks like it could be used to improve some parts of the article. Ælfgar ( talk) 22:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
This sentence "He perhaps shared authority with his predecessor Æscwig after 968." (ref Rumble166) states that he was sharing authority with Æscwig, his predecessor as abbot of Bath Abbey when he was aged 15. Some explanation how he could be a '" co-abbot" at such a young age (also having made a transfer from another abbey), can only add to the credibility of this sentence. Best regards 82.204.105.103 ( talk) 00:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Should reference the
South English Legendary. Also there is a church in Enfield, I believe, as well as Solihull, Whitstable and maybe more. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 15:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC).
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Greetings, This morning I saw [ discussion] and tested moving portals to "See also" section. Sorry if my test here has caused any problems. Regards, JoeHebda ( talk) 16:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The name has been stable for 15+ years at Ælfheah, but it was moved today citing the talk page section from 2009, with only 2 minutes between a new comment in that section and the move. I've done a source search on the name, looking in all the works I have on my shelves, plus a check of the Wikipedia card library for current academic stuff, and here are the results:
Alphege:
Ælfheah/Aelfheah:
Now, we can go through a requested move to move it back, or we can just discuss it here without a lot of bother. Personally, I'm pretty comfortable with the fact that most sources about the person call him Ælfheah. There maybe a lot of churches named Alphege, but this article isn't about the churches, it's about the person, and it's pretty clear that the sources we use for a biography of him call him Ælfheah, not Alphege. Ealdgyth ( talk) 15:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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The passage on the second Alphege was copied verbatim from the Oxford Dictionary of Saints, very much in the copyright of the OUP. I've marked the article for appropriate consideration. Staffelde 22:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Comments:
That should deal with most of it, thanks, as usual, for the detailed suggestions and the tweaks you made. Anything else you see? Ealdgyth | Talk 04:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
To allow for these changes to be made, I am placing the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 04:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand "His shrine, which was depreciated by Lanfranc". "depreciated" doesn't have an evident meaning in this context (it should be an accountancy term). Is it, on the analogy of uses in Romance languages, supposed to mean that Lanfranc said he didn't like it? Or something else?
And does "Saint Thomas Becket is said to have commended his life into St Alphege's care right before he was martyred." mean "just" before he was martyred?
Deipnosophista ( talk) 23:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a reference for his place of birth? There is some editing going on at Jacob Rees-Mogg who has named his son Alphege claiming he was born in his constituency with others stating that he wasn't. Expect help in resolving this authoritatively would be useful.— Rod talk 18:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I do think the name of this article is daft. This man is universally known as Alphege, or St Alphege. The article should be found under that name. He is venerated as Alphege. He is listed on the Church of England calendar as Alphege. The places and streets named after him in Canterbury are called Alphege. Anyone looking for him on Wikipedia will be looking for Alphege. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 01:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Alphege is the best name, as it is used in almost all reliable sources. And there are quite a few churches dedicated to the saint, not one of them called "St Ælfheah's". Moonraker ( talk) 12:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I can't see any indication as to whether the carving in the image being used for this article (File:Painted_carving_of_St_Alphege_in_Canterbury_Cathedral.jpg) is indeed a medieval rather than a modern work - not stated in the wiki article and the image is trimmed at the foot, should that have been detailed on the information notice IRL. Could you please clarify on this. Thanks, David. Harami2000 ( talk) 03:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Because this death is a martyrdom, I wonder whether any of the scholarship attempts to show that the manner in which Ælfheah was executed reflected a religious conflict. That is, the pelting with specific animal parts and the blow of the axe is broadly consistent with various sacrificial practices of the European Bronze and Iron Ages. It would be interesting to know whether the Danes might have thought they were trying to preserve their own religious heritage against the campaign of Christian conversion; this is speculation on my part, but if there were credible scholarship that has explored this possibility, a sentence would make this section of the article a little more balanced than "Christians good, unconverted barbarians bad and pointlessly violent". Cynwolfe ( talk) 14:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've double checked the dates and as of this moment, they are correct in Ælfheah of Canterbury. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations to all who helped raise this to FA status. Bearian ( talk) 19:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I come to a place where I might find a credible opinion. The statue of St Alphege on the west front of Salisbury Cathedral shows him with stones held in his upturned clothes and another stone, curiously, on his right shoulder. I see no mention of this in his attributes in this article. Can anyone offer an explanation? Richard Avery ( talk) 13:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
This bit "An incised paving slab to the north of the present high altar marks the spot where the medieval shrine is believed to have stood." is not supported by the ref that was given for it - not sure how it got that way and it's long water under the bridge anyway. Will dig to find a source for this. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
While browsing in search of references for my French translation of this article, I found this book from last year. It looks like it could be used to improve some parts of the article. Ælfgar ( talk) 22:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
This sentence "He perhaps shared authority with his predecessor Æscwig after 968." (ref Rumble166) states that he was sharing authority with Æscwig, his predecessor as abbot of Bath Abbey when he was aged 15. Some explanation how he could be a '" co-abbot" at such a young age (also having made a transfer from another abbey), can only add to the credibility of this sentence. Best regards 82.204.105.103 ( talk) 00:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Should reference the
South English Legendary. Also there is a church in Enfield, I believe, as well as Solihull, Whitstable and maybe more. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 15:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC).
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Greetings, This morning I saw [ discussion] and tested moving portals to "See also" section. Sorry if my test here has caused any problems. Regards, JoeHebda ( talk) 16:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
The name has been stable for 15+ years at Ælfheah, but it was moved today citing the talk page section from 2009, with only 2 minutes between a new comment in that section and the move. I've done a source search on the name, looking in all the works I have on my shelves, plus a check of the Wikipedia card library for current academic stuff, and here are the results:
Alphege:
Ælfheah/Aelfheah:
Now, we can go through a requested move to move it back, or we can just discuss it here without a lot of bother. Personally, I'm pretty comfortable with the fact that most sources about the person call him Ælfheah. There maybe a lot of churches named Alphege, but this article isn't about the churches, it's about the person, and it's pretty clear that the sources we use for a biography of him call him Ælfheah, not Alphege. Ealdgyth ( talk) 15:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)