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Hi...shouldn't this page include a picture of Zuko as he is seen in the second season???? You know...with HAIR....just a thought....and yes, I'd do it myself but I suck at editing pages...so could someone do it for me please!?!?!?! Thanx! Aelita the Angel June 2, 2006 7:04 pm
His mother was a Princess. Married to Prince Ozai, therefore Princess by her husband's right! Unlike her daughter, Azula, who is a Princess through birthright/blood.
Question: Do you mean him by chance? I mean, this is Zuko's board.... (Sayasha)
--Yes, I meant his mother.
Also, someone changed her name to Fire Lady Ursa, but she did not ascend the throne with her husband. She left before he became Fire Lord.
Technically if she is still alive they would be married, so I'd say she's still the Fire Lady (???) - H2P
No because she left and wasn't crowned with her husband. So she never ascended to that title.
Okay, STOP IT! Stop changing her name to Fire Lady Ursa! She was never crowned as the Fire Lord's official consort because she left before he was crowned! You're pissing me off!
Well, I imagine that it totally depends on whether she's still alive or not. Cause, if she's alive, then she's still married to Ozai, which makes her Fire Lady/Queen (whatever you wanna call it). But, she was never actually CROWNED Fire Lady, so... 24.154.137.15 20:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
This is as good a page as any for me to ask on, with the "Zutara" mention, I have to say something. I do realize that Wikipedia doesn't have to worry about space constraints when deciding what can and cannot go into it, but to what extent should fan-shipping be included in this articles? If I write a fanfic about Aang and Zuko becoming lovers, and call it "Zukang" shipping, and it picked up in popularity, with more writing such pairing in fanfics, would this be worth mentioning on Zuko's and Aang's pages?
Has this been covered on Wikipedia somewhere I'm unaware of? I checked the shipping (fandom) page and its associated talk page, but didn't catch anything about the inclusion of mention about shipping on fictional character pages.
I wouldn't expect Bill Gates's page to suggest that fanfic writers like to pair him up with Martha Stewart (assuming such fanfics were written and popular).
Lesoria 04:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Ursa didn't leave, she died! She volunteered to be killed in Zuko's stead. Get it RIGHT, you boneheads!
Now look, I know that the Zutara thing sounds pretty farfetched, and its pretty obvious that the people writing this article are biased towards the Kataang thing, but please show a little more respect towards Zutara. I know that there is no solid evidence for Zutara, but the evidence for Kataang is completely coincidental. I will try to explain this, the first time Aang thinks of Katara as a romantic interest was in the Fourtune teller, and then Aunt Wu tells Katara that she will marry a powerful bender, and then at the end of the episode they point to Aang via "Sometimes I forget how powerful a bender Aang is." My point being is that why give such a vauge clue with "powerful bender" and immediatley point to Aang, in the same episode Aang falls in love with Katara ? And they continue this with the cave of two lovers, lets face it, we know they wanted us to think Aang and Katara kissed, but there is no solid evidence that they did, why would they do that? Now I know that all the clues point to Aang, but I remeber the Harry Potter series (Spolier Ahead) that only had a slight mention of Harry/Ginny in the begining when Ginny had a crush on Harry, and it was countinued to make it look like a girlish crush, and then Ginny moved on to more boyfriends, and then BAM!! Harry/Ginny became Cannon. There are other things I could say about this that I wont but let me leave with this, Katara and Sokka were the first two to find Aangs, and they have been friends ever since there meeting, but when Aang and Katara first saw each other, the didnt really think of eachother in that way. They've been through so much, the could practicly be brother and sister. Now Katara and Zuko have been eneimes since day 1, and been bareknuckle fighting since day 2, this kind of relation ship could go many different ways, I dont know who said this, but what they said was "the person you know best, is your enemy." and I know who said this, "People fight, and sometimes get married, and do a much different kind of fighting after that." C.S Lewis. I know that a lot of people will hate me for saying this, some will call me a noob, but hey, its all good. And if it turns out that the Katang thing is for real, Hey no hard feelings.
Answer: How about instead we don't include theorized relationships.
About every Avatar character article is chockfull of fancruft. Some major cleaning up might be in order. This shipping nonsense is little more than fan fiction. In WP articles, it's embarassing. --
Antrophica 23:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia = Facts
Shipping = Fiction
By this understanding, Zutara should not be even mentioned because we've seen nothing canonical to support something like that. However, the stuff about Aang and Katara should be listed (like the crush, the "kiss", Fortunteller, etc.) because it has happened and contributes to many of the episodes. Nothing between Katara and or Zuko has (and, come on, be serious, ever will) happened therefore it shouldn't be part of their bio. -- H2P 2:32, 28 May 2006
Agreed with all statements above. Virtually all the Avatar pages have conjecture of some kind, most notably shipping. Heck, I just removed more shipping crud from this page, the Katara page (
Talk:Katara), and the Sokka page (
Talk:Sokka). It's almost tempting to start a Wikiproject:Avatar to clean up this huge mess.
Prototime 23:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, your all right, when I wrote this it had a million different ships on it, and I am new so I didnt really think about the whole neutrality thing, thank you guys for cleaning this crap up, I'm new, My bad.
Avatar=Fiction, Peace -- St.Gameractucs Hulk 19:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Well guys, what I originally intended a passing statement may just become a reality. Check out Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender for information on a potential WikiProject that, should it get off the ground, will ideally serve as a device to reduce this and many other problems concerning the content and strucutre of pages relating to Avatar: The Last Airbender on Wikipedia. Prototime 23:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
The WikiProject is now official; check it out at Wikipedia:WikiProject Avatar: The Last Airbender. I hope to see everyone there! Prototime 16:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I personally saw no romantic feelings between the two however i've noticed that he doesn't taunt or insult her as much as he used to. one of the big things i've noticed about Zuko is his respect for his enemies he might bad mouth them but for some reason i see that he has a sense of sportsmanship about fighting them espicially Aang and Katara
My mistake i shall endevour not to put speculation in this acticle. still what i say definantly seems more likely than the idea that Zuko is in love with Katara, still i realize that yes it is speculation.
Ok, as it stated int eh 1st season, he was 14 when banished. Now, in season 2, he had his 3 year mark of being banished. Check my math, but that equals 17 years old. So stop deleting the part that says he's not 17! ~Sayasha
Ok, this si getting out of hand. Think about it like this. If Azula is 2 years YOUNGER then Zuko, and she's 15, then 15=2=17, not 15+2=16. For tose of you who know math, check it, if you wish. But he is 17, not 16! ~Sayasha
But if you put 2 and 2 together, then you know that he's 17! They just about say it in the episode if you listen correctly! Though you dont want to admit it, you know that he is 17! If you can give me logical proof, that he is still 16, then I will drop it. bu ttill then, he is still 17-years-old, and I will keep changing it t say 17-years-old! Nick.com says that he is 16 in the first season. If in the 2nd season, it is known that he was banished 3 years prior, then he has to be 17 now! And think about this. It says Azula is the same age as Sokka. If there is a 2 reay difference in Azula and Zuko's age, then Zuko is 17.~Sayasha
Shay, our entire WikiProject is devoted to keeping these pages clean of all forms of speculation and to clean them up to represent all the information that has been presented to us. I'll be watching all the episodes in order soon to get quotes and a list of animals. Any information I find about Zuko's age I will present. From my current knowledge, however, I have not seen anything that supports the theory that Zuko has had a birthday since the pilot. Know that until we find canonical evidence supporting otherwise, there will be at least 5 people at all times ready to revert your changes. H2P 05:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I can prove that he is 17, using the show. Corect me at any time. Iroh mentions that Zuko is 16. In episode 3, Zuko make that "If my Father thinks the rest of the world will fallow him willingly, the he's a fool" comment to Zhao. Zhao interns, says "TWO YEARS at sea have done little to temper your tounge". Now, fastforward to season 2. The 3 year anaversery HAS to mean that he is, infact 17. Because as you said, "He has not celebrated a BirthDay in the show." For all we know, his BirthDay was during the weeks fallowing the Seige of the North, which only continude with Iroh comment. Now, feel free to go back and check my work. Episode 3, 20, 21, and what ever episode you wish that mentions has age, as there are a few. Now, good night. Oh, it's Sayasha, not Saysha. ^^ ~Sayasha
When Avatar started, Nick.com said "Sixteen-year-old". In episode 8 for example, Iroh said Zuko was 16. This was also the Winter Sostice episode. Then, season 2, had the first few days of spring. Zuko's birthday doesnt have to fall in the fall or summer just because he's a Fire Bender.~Sayasha
Ok, tell me. How do we know that the Agni Ki was in Spring? Hm? For all we know, it was in the Summer. And thats going by your facts. Now, do you really think that Iroh would let a 13 year old into the War Room? And on the Zhao comment, ya, it has relavince here. This is the steps to prove Zuko is 17.
1. Go to Nick.com and select Avatar on the bottom menu.
2. Select characters, and choose Zuko.
3. Read the part where it says:"sixteen-year-old Zuko s a big bully".
4. Then got watch episode 3, where Zuko and Zhao are talking in the tent.(It's in the first 10 minutes)
5. Watch episode 8.(It's in the title)
6. minus 16 and 2, to get 14.
7. Now watch episode 21, where Zuko first come in.(I have no idea where it is...)
8. Watch episode 28.(The beggining)
Now, you should gather that Zuko is 16 in the first season, banished 2 years prier to episode 3, that the next season that they are in in the first seaon is Winter, once again, that Zuko is 16, 2-16=14, in episode 21 they have been gone, floating for weeks, Zuko has been banished for 3 years, and that Spring is now starting. ~Sayasha
Amazingly, I'm getting tierd of arguing, but still, I wont admit I'm wrong. Fallow the shows logic. It's all in there. Even my friend who is blind, and hard of hearing can understand that Zuko is 17, just from the show. Just watch the show, and tell me that Zuko cant be 17. The creators of Avatar said that there is a 2 year difference from Azula and Zuko. I don thtink that Azula is 14. And I know it's not winter once again. Thats a "No duh!" part. No one is inplying that it is winter again, but you who is mentioning it. And for my reason behind the War Room part, Zuko, if he hadnt been banished, would never rule during the war. Sences the war was to end soon. And, the current Fire Lord chooses who his/her heir will be. Ozai didnt have to choose Zuko to be the next Fire Lord.~Sayasha
Fuck it. I'm not arguing this anymore if you aren't going to listen. You have no canonical evidence so you might as well stop because every time you change it we'll simply change it back.
It's better to try and fail, then to not try at all. A simple code of my religion. And I'm fallowing the shows info. Even my mom can tell you that he's 17. And she has only seen 5 episodes. All my evidance flows, unlike yours. Mine is logical, fallowing the story's plot. Yours, is all speculational. It's not me that needs to go back, it is you. Even if Zuko's BirthDay was the day before The Boy in the IceBerg, he would still be 17. ~By now, you know who I am
Okay. Let's look at what your argument for his age being 17 is deductively:
Assuming the above claim is true, we can then move on to next statement, which that claim now serving as one of the grounds.
Now, the issue that I have and most of the other editors here have is concerning is that the grounds in Statement #1 do not prove its claim; specifically, that more grounds than have been presented are required to make the claim. The following are my counterarguments:
To illustrate this last claim, assume that his true age (A) at the beginning of Season 1 is 16 years, 6 months (A = 16.5 years), and that the exact time that he's been banished (T) is 2 years, 6 months (T = 2.5). Now, let's do the math:
In this case, it is shown that he was indeed 14 years old when he banished, and thus would be 17 three years later. However, consider the following equally plausible scenario: assume that his exact age at the beginning of Season 1 (A) is 16 years, 3 months (A = 16.25) and that the exact time that he's been banished (T) is 2 years, 9 months (T = 2.75). Now, let's do the math:
If Zuko is 13 and a half years old at the time of his banishment, then quite obviously, it does not equate that his 3rd year anniversary means that he is 17; it means that he is 16 and a half.
Now, because we do not know A or T, and all we can do is guess, we cannot say for certain what his true age is, being it 16 or 17. However, we do know that Zuko is 16 in season 1, and for the purposes of Wikipedia we cannot assume that he has become 17 (as such is unverifiable information), and as such, the age listed on the page should remain 16 to represent the knowledge we do know, which is that Zuko being 16 years of age in the series is the only verifiable information we have concerning his age.
Peace. Prototime 02:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
(No argument meant this time!) Why, since as you stated, he could 16 or 17, dont we just put "Age: 16/17"? That would settle this argument. I mean, I see the logic you put up there. Which is the FIRST set of logic I've seen. So, since he could be eathor or, why dont we just leave it like it is? (16/17) ~Sayasha
^_^ Sorry, I cant understand math unless it's in Algebra. I had to have my friend type up most of my math. I think that could be 1 reason that this took over 2 weeks. ^_~~Sayasha
Ok, we had an agreemant. 16 (possibly 17 by Season 2). I couldnt have changed it because I was out for surgery, so dont start useing foul lanuage on a website that teachers request students to use for projects! And those who are changing it, until someone says Zuko is 17, IT STAYS LIKE THAT!
I guess that makes sense, but on the other hand, by that logic, shouldn't Sokka's page say (possibly 16 by season 2) and Katara's page say (possibly 15 by season 2) etc.?
OKAY!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!!!! I WANNA KNOW HOW OLD ZUKO IS!!!!!!!! I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LOGIC!!!!!! JUST ASK THE F**KING AVATAR PRODUCERS!!!!!!!!!!! JEESE!!!!!!! THEY'LL TELL YOU!!!! IN FACT, F**K THIS, I'M GONNA GO ASK THEM MYSELF!!!!!! WHEN I KNOW, YOU'LL KNOW!!!!!! THERE!!!!!! STOP ARGUING!!!!! (sorry...I'll try to control myself next time...) Zutara-Princess
Oh, to the user above...I'm not trying to be rude, but the cursing isn't appreciated. 24.154.137.15 21:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
Okay, wow; that was ALOT of reading. Honestly, I think Zuko would probably be 17 if he was a real person. But he's not, and so we can't really know, because there probably isn't a set day where every character in the story ages like in real life. If it was my desision I would say "16 (perhaps 17)," because this is all we really know, he's been named 16, but could perhaps be 17, simple as that.
Right, my eyes have officially rolled into the back of my head now. Everyone trying to change his name to seventeen: stop. Just stop. You guys can talk about math all you want (I'm a math guy myself), but flashing some addition's not gonna work here. We don't know how old Zuko was when he was banished, k? We know he WAS sixteen, and haven't gotten any confirmation that his birthday has come around since the beginning of the series. We just know that he's been banished for over three years. I don't see this huge debate going on in Aang's page. Why not? The kid WAS 112 when the series started, how do we know his birthday hasn't happened? Or Katara's or Sokka's? Heck, WHY DOES THE AGE MATTER SO MUCH!? JUST ACCEPT WHAT NICK.COM TELLS YOU AND STOP MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT'S SUCH A BIG DEAL! Y BCZ 01:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
What the hell is this shit and why does Wikipedia direct me here when I search for "zuzu"? Shouldn't I be directed to the It's a Wonderful Life page rather than some Nick kid's show?? V. embarrassing to Wikipedia. If you guys think this is the place for complex and massively detailed articles about obscure cartoons, that's your right, but please don't make unrelated searches go to your page. 160.39.187.92 ( talk) 16:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
if you want to lok up its a wonderful life, then type in its a wonderful life. geez. Zuzu was a nickname a character gave this specific character, if you type it in, youll come here. Dragon queen4ever ( talk) 19:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else think it's time to update his picture to one more current? It doesn't look as if his hair will change much more, and besides, we're 1/2 way through the season, if you've seen Day of Black Sun by now. GdaMan 03:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC) GdaMan
i agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny NovA ( talk • contribs) 11:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, now that DoBS has officially aired all over the world, I think now is a very good opportunity, to change Zuko's picture (as well as other characters' pictures). He doesn't look like that anymore, and I'm not referring to the hair, but to the emotion you see on his face. His new look is more calm, mature, and less confused, and that's the kind of picture that should be up. Not to mention, we are half-way through the final season and he is the most dynamic character. GdaMan ( talk) 21:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)GdaMan
i also believe the same he is now a differen person a different look and besides the other is to old, we could move it somewhere else in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.157.118.28 ( talk) 14:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Will people please bother to check the article for spoilers? There are spoilers that need to be removed on the personality section and the relationship with Ursa section. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 05:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC) There are still spoilers on the personality section. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 17:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Now there are spoilers on the Ursa and Aang sections. Remove them. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 21:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
how about no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.59.179 ( talk) 23:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Tears is spelled wrong in the article- it's incorrectly spelled "teers"
His scar may heal someday, as it is said that a scar lingers until the argument between the man who caused it and the man who owns it has been resolved. In other words until Zuko has claimed the throne.
I don't think his scar will ever be healed. It's a part of him now.
Hey, I put a lot of stuff in my fanfiction that I don't actually think will happen (healing scar, Suki is an Earthbender, ect.). It's just for the sake of making the story interesting. Lots of people do that, actually (since you're not really big on pairings, I guess you don't read a lot of fanfiction, so...). I don't think Katara will heal Zuko's scar, but it's a possibility...besides, there ARE places in the show where real-life rules are disregarded. And, as the "Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children" creators once defined the rules for making a good anime show/movie, the only rule was this: "Who cares as long as it looks cool?". Oh, and yeah, I agree, with a character who has magical/Waterbending powers, who KNOWS what could happen. She unblocked a dude's CHI for goodness' sake! 208.122.69.38 15:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
if you're thinking of it lodgically from the creater's point of view- it would kind of ruin the mystery of zuko... i think so any way.
if you're thinking of it lodgically from the real life point of view- it would have healed by now if it was going to- my sister got fire burns (on xmas eve 2, not fun!) and they went away after like a week or two (or more... i forget). if it was going away, it would of by now.
Yes, but I'm saying that scars don't nessesarly fade. Harry's didn't, and Zuko's probably wont. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.156.189 ( talk) 20:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I put the picture that I originally uploaded back, my reasoning being that it's a better crop without the giant "Nick" logo on it, and whereas the other picture was very heavily shadowed and farther away, this one is clear, closer-up, you can see his scar better, and it's just an all-around better picture, IMO. Not to mention it depicts Zuko looking ornery, but determined which I think is a very good representation of his general character as opposed to the other picture where he's more or less staring forward expressionlessly. Raceberry 05:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Any picture of Zuko is fine with me. :-)
We need a season 3 pic. His hair is different now, the picture sould change. Nice picture you had though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.156.189 ( talk) 20:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
You guys are always going to find something to start an edit war over aren't you. Alright, we'll have a vote to close next Friday. Is it Brown or is it Black? The problem comes in that in Book One, it was easily black. However, since growing his hair it looks lighter. However, I'm going to blame this new light color on his constant shaving of it and/or the dust and dirt he now surrounds himself with. So I vote Black H2P 06:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
No to say much, but when he was younger, his hair was Brown, even before he was banished. Now, it could be coming back to it's normal color..... Just saying. ~Sayasah
I agree with all of you... I vote Black. His hair does look brown when he is younger, but I think it is because of the constant sunlight he was in when he was younger. I mean, he lived in the Fire Nation, if he wasn't in the sun he was around some other constant source of light or fire. And besides, it's always sunny there, save for night time. When he was banished, he spent a lot of his time in his room as well, so the sun couldn't bleach his hair. Now, as in second season, he is outside a lot more, probably due to the fact that he is a traveler and doesn't have a room to hide in. The sun actually has some time to bleach his hair. + the dirt thing, that too. But in secret of the fire nation, you could tell if you looked close enough that his hair was black. Still, please people, don't go pressing your noses against the tv...you know....don't wanna be responsible for any eye-trauma...~ Zutara-Princess--Don't forget th rabies! Everything tastes better with rabies!! 05:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that his hair turns black when he's near large bodies of water. His brown hair might turn black when its et or damp. - Count Mall
Zuko's hair is black. The only reason why it looks brown, is becuase he hasn't taken a bath in a really long time, so there is dirt, dust and grime on his hair. In SOFN, Zuko seems to have at least washed his hair or gotten all the grime out of it. - The Dragon's Daughter.
Another thing to consider about Zuko's hair when he's younger is that the coloring and light used is slightly different. Why? Because it denotes a flashback, just as how sounds echo very slightly in the same sequences.
I'm gonna have to say that it's dark brown. When Zuko was shown at fourteen in "The Storm", his hair was obviously brown, and it looks brown now that it's shorter. Also, Azula obviously has dark brown hair, and since they're siblings, that could be taken into consideration. 24.154.137.15 03:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
The only reason his hair looked brown was because Zuko's flashbacks are always in different lighting (more brownish). Momoroxmysoxoff 21:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
While I would say his hair is black- you should also compare it to, like, Toph's hair, which is black.
In relation to the above, this is true. For example, MY hair is VERY dark brown, and people always think it's black. But if compared to my sister, who DOES have black hair, you can see that it's brown. The whole lighting thing, yeah, that could be accredited to the flashback animation changes (everything does seem to take on an odd hue), but that doesn't change the fact that, in current time, both Zuko and Azula have clearly brown hair. This is especially obvious if compared to Toph whose hair is easily black, as defined by the creators. 24.154.137.15 00:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
I have black hair and I know, when you have little hair, you can see your skin through the hair, so it won't look dark. As it grows, it becomes thicker and darker.
I looked at the fire nation page on wikipedia and Zuko's hair is black because people in the fire nation usually have dark brown to black hair. And honestly it's almost the same thing. :)
I vote for... black ! -Itachiluvor
It is black, Zuko and Azula have black hair. Zuko's hair just gets lighter because of the sun.
Definetly black. I mean, he only has brown hair in book 2 'cause he's in so much sun. Also, dust could make it look brown
Ok, not to bring this up, after the 1 month chat about it, but there is a slit "Zuko's age problem" to tend to. Not big, dont worry. Just the part, where it says that "..Zuko was about 10-years-old...". Can we really put that in? I mean, with about in there, it kinda flys, but since his age at the time is not known, can it be on there. for all we know, he was only 8-years-old. wich, doesnt pass well with the 10-years-old part. Just saying. ~Sayasha
I think Zuko was ten when his mother died/vanished/disappeared/went missing. -The Dragon's Daughter. Quick Note - Zuko's mother was actually banished by the Firelord in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. She may or may not still be alive and Zuko plans to find her after he joins the Avatar. - Scotty Boy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.244 ( talk) 03:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The Triva for Zuko... yeah, has anyone noticed it? The two Chinese kanji characters making up his name Zu meaning the ancsetral tomb/ancestors and Kou meaning to rob, pillage/ rob. In that light, his name would mean something like this: Robber of the Ancestral Tomb. Or something along those lines. Just thought I might throw it out there, I always thought Zuko would mean honorable. - The Dragon's Daughter
Has anyone noticed that both forms of his name include a character about something ancestoral?
Why isn't there a section about Zuko's bending? We have one for Aang, Katara and Toph, so why not Zuko? At least something about his fighting style or sowards. September 26 15:45 Momoroxmysoxoff
I added one, but I don't think it's up to standards... Zygger 18:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
This is getting kind of long guys. I suggest adding more pictures in the relationships section, something like Zuko fighting Jet or talking to Jin or whatever. What we need is distractors that allow you to scroll down and not see a huge body of text. I know how everyone loves an anti-hero, but this body of information is huge compared to Aang and his group. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 06:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Due to size and content I request that we put this page up for re-grading. I have no idea how to do this though. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 19:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
And, once again, I'm REALLY not trying to start something, but I don't appreciate your insulting my intelligence. Contrary to popular belief here, I'm NOT stupid.
I am not insulting your intelligence, I am expressing frustration over your insistence on a subject that you obviously do not possess complete knowledge of. An anti-hero is not one who goes against the hero of a series-that's the villain, or antagonist. An anti-hero is a protagonist or hero of a story that possesses particularly unheroic traits-a bank robber could be the hero of his own story, for example, but he's not a very heroic person. Zuko has certainly expressed unheroic qualities throughout the series but has, of late, been cast in the role of a protagonist. Y BCZ 22:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
In the Jet section of Zuko's relationship article, I noticed that there is a sentece that reads like this: "Some believe the light streaks from the tip of his broadswords are lightning--this is not so. When he slashes his swords through the air, the streaks are simply a trail of light from the sword" This is blasphemy. A mere "trail of light" would not be able to slice the toothpick in Jet's mouth clean in half. Also note that the blue streaks had only come from Zuko's blades later on in the fight moments before the police had arrived, and how it was emphasized when first shown cutting Jet's toothpick. The streaks that were shown early in the fight were clear and white, as opposed to the clearly blue-edged lights that eventually began to emit from Zuko's broad-swords. I don't know where anyone comes off saying that these were "simply a trail of light"; the only explanation is that this is either blue flame or lightning. Don't forget that as of recently Zuko's personality hs changed from being arrogant and angered to noticeably more calm and collected as if in control of his emotions better, which is what a firebender requires to bend lightning. Unless of course there is some sort of official material that states otherwise, I suggest the thory of lightning stays a primary possibility, as the light was far too distictive to be just an after-image of some kind.
Why are people still arguing this? I clearly proved the theory wrong completely with just 3 pictures. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 04:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
See Talk: Uncle Iroh#Requested move to discuss. Please do not discuss the move here, follow the link.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that the Personality section is a little... awkward? I don't know if someone wants to try integratting it better with the rest of the article, I was just passing through and noticed it left a little something to be desired grammatically, so I did my best giving it a makeover. Sean Patrick Santos 23:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Are the details in the relationship between Sokka and Zuko important enough for there to be a section devoted to it? H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 04:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)+
I agree. I doubt that Zuko even notices that Sokka even exists. Momoroxmysoxoff
Too, in the episode "Crossroads of Destiny" when Aang says he'll help get Zuko and Katara back, Sokka says he isn't going to rescue Zuko at all. Then Iroh says there is good in him, and Sokka remarks tell us when it's outside him too. And Zuko knows who Sokka is because in the episodes, "The boy in the iceburg" he fights Sokka and beats him up.
"At first, Zuko lashes out and turns to robbery, even to those who are kind to him. However, over time, Zuko begins to calm himself and act in a better way"
A 'better' way?
Um...I changed something on the trivia section. Lee/Li (however you want to spell it) also means "Strength" in Chinese. Its a Chinese boy's name. I got this information off of a Chinese baby name websight. -DJ Zutara and Taang FOREVER 04:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)(PS: My username is Dragon Jadefire, but I go by DJ)
Should there be spoilers for Lake Laogai {and unaired episodes in general} in this article? Although there's a spoiler warning near the beginning, people might not expect unaired episode spoilers. -- NoraBlack 04:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Any canonical information that is available can be posted. There's hardly a difference in posting spoilers for episodes that haven't aired in one particular manner or another. Lake Laogai has aired on TurboNick instead of Nickelodeon, but there are quite a few episodes that are in the reverse situation. It's all the same to someone who has or hasn't seen it. -- Y BCZ 22:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC) (UTC)
PICTURE OF ZUKO from Lake Laogai episode: Why doesn't someone update the picture of zuko to one from the Lake Laogai episode after it airs tonight? I would, but don't know how. Besides, he looks A LOT cooler with his hair longer. Sorta gangster-ish.
Sure, lets just update his picture every new episode then! H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 06:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean his hair has grown a lot longer since he firt had it cut. I'd go either way, but what does everyone else think? Momoroxmysoxoff 01:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that Zuko may be the one to train Aang in book 3. Since it is unlikely that he'll ever be able to return to the fire nation, his hatred of Azula, his slow change into a good guy, and Uncle Iroh helping him, he might decide to help Aang. What do you think?
I know this isn't a forum and all but I just want to point out Zuko isn't even done with HIS training. Iroh is still teaching him... So even if by some random conicidience he was taught by one of them, it would probably be Iroh.
For all we know, he could be a master, but there could be tecniqes he hasn't mastered yet (blue fire and lightning). It goes back to Ozai and Zhao being masters, yet hasn't been seen bending blue fire and/or lightning. Momoroxmysoxoff 21:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
In regards to the last comment, I wouldn't forget that Iroh, himself, is a master. I'm sure almost everyone can aree on that. Vnarang ( talk) 00:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
In the two part "Day of th Black Sun" Chapter, Prince Zuko announces his intentions to join the Avatar. Zuko approaches the Firelord during the Solar Eclipse and tells him that he intends the abandon the Fire Nation to assist the Avatar in defeating the Firelord. The Firelord then distracts Zuko by telling him that his mother may, in fact, be alive, but has been banished many years ago in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. This distraction causes Zuko to stay past the solar eclipse and the Firelord attempts to attack him, but Zuko escapes. The episode ends showing Zuko in a Fire Nation air balloon following the Avatar and his group to the Western Air Temple where they plan to find refuge after the invasion fails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.244 ( talk) 03:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the section entirely. I don't care if you like to pretend that Katara and Zuko are meant for each other. It's still not case, and there has been no indication whatsoever. Thus, there's little point to actually have the section and exempt Toph and Sokka beyond the insane delusions of shippers. Interrobamf 10:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Does he ever even say her name... ever? No, Zuko has never said "Katara, Sokka, Aang, Toph," or any of them in his life probably I am hoping for him to say at least ONE of their names to see how it sounds. haha I'm so obsessed. I've never heard any fire benders (besides like Jeong Jeong) say any of their names, they always say the Avatar and his friends and stuff.
Are we allowed to add information for future episodes which information has been confirmed. For instance could you add that they are trapped in a cave together in the upcoming episode? Or should we wait until it airs?
Mabye someone should add somthing about the Zutara fandom and the fact that Avatar shows that they know of it in the short "Golden Dragon Dance". ~ DSQ
In the two part "Day of th Black Sun" Chapter, Prince Zuko announces his intentions to join the Avatar. Zuko approaches the Firelord during the Solar Eclipse and tells him that he intends the abandon the Fire Nation to assist the Avatar in defeating the Firelord. The Firelord then distracts Zuko by telling him that his mother may, in fact, be alive, but has been banished many years ago in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. This distraction causes Zuko to stay past the solar eclipse and the Firelord attempts to attack him, but Zuko escapes. The episode ends showing Zuko in a Fire Nation air balloon following the Avatar and his group to the Western Air Temple where they plan to find refuge after the invasion fails.
I've made some efforts to condense the synopsis of Book Two slightly and make it flow better.. what does everyone think? Wandering Man 07:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it looks better. Not like the list that was there. Momoroxmysoxoff 14:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
This reads so much better. I'm going to go ahead and remove the List to Prose statement. Now all we need to do is shorten it to a much more readable length and we'll be done with it. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 19:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Now that the season is over and I'm feeling caught up on everything, I'm going to make an effort to do some major pruning on this section... if I don't have it done by tonight it should be ready in the next day or two. Wandering Man 21:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Finished updating the Book II section. It wound up as more of a trimming than a true pruning, but I got reid of a lot of needless details and tried to make the details of the important events more concise. (I think when I first copied it into Word it ran at more than 5 and a half pages, I managed to cut out about a page of that). If anyone wants to do further work on it, feel free. Wandering Man
I noticed that someone has made Zuko a firebending master, even though it's just a title. When did that happen? And can we consider him a master? Boywonder18 00:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I think he can be considered master now.. in the invasion during book 3 he faces up to Firelord Ozai during the eclipse.. at the end of the convosation Ozai fires lightning at Zuko but Zuko reverses it and knocks the Firelord down.. so Zuko can obviously manipulate lightning now that he's let go of his shame or something which Iroh said he needs to do before he can successfully create lightning! (sorry to anyone who hasn't seen that episode yet!!) Krazy mickle ( talk) 19:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I took it off and just let it say "Firebender". He's probably close to mastery, but I guess we'll have to see if he's ever refered to in the show as one. Momoroxmysoxoff 01:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
This really needs to stop. "Master" is a title, a rank. You’re formally given that title by another Master (presumably your instructor.) Its not just "learn all these techniques and then you are a master." Think of it like a military promotion: whether or not you deserve to be a Corporal, you're still a Private until somebody promotes you. People need to stop editing this (and other) articles to claim people are masters who have never been given the title.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Nick Latin America has informed that he is indeed a Firebending Master, so, he in reality is.
Try to find a spanish avatar clip with Zuko inside, often the word Maestrofuego which means firebending master can be heard, that should be enough proof and, what gives proof of Zhao being a firebending master.
There aren't any spanish videos on youtube and my computer can't access turbonick so, try searching yourself but, what gives proof of other firebenders being masters.
See this link, it was edited a long time ago. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuko#Las_Capacidades
That means that Zuko needs to be called Firebending master, Exactly as it is written. Cpzphantom 01:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, but can a normal firebender beat a Firebending master?
Considered adding professional since there must be a way to describe he is quite different from a normal firebender but hasn't received the firebending master title yet. also, when were toph and Katara where called masters and when did azula was Cpzphantom 21:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
But an expert, normal firebender is quite different from a master, something to say he is inside the requirements of a master but that he isn't, after all almost all characters are reffered as masters.
These two are listed under the realtionships section but are they really large enough characters to be there? They were both only there for one episdoe each. Jin I can inderstand because she was pretty much Zuko's first relationship even if she was only there for one episode. But Song? She hardly had a large enough role to be truly significant and her chances of being seen again are fairly low. I think at least Song's section should be deleted. Anyone agree? 69.141.78.155 21:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
So is it agreed that we should delete Song's paragraph? Or does anyone protest to this? But if you do have a good reason why because once again, Song really isn't a huge part of Zuko's life anymore. 69.141.78.155 22:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't saying we delete just yet. Just seeing if anyone disagreed. Jin yes she might still play a major role. However Song I think is doubtful. 69.141.78.155 20:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Due to the fact that information on this page won't be updated for a good while, and due to the overall length and style of the article, I suggest that we clean this up just a bit more and then nominate it for FA status. In order to do this, though, we are going to need to cite many of the episodes as sources (similar to what I did to Waterbender a while back). I've cleaned a few unnecessary pictures from the page, the rest need proper citation (I don't think the Jet picture works all that well). I know we're all working real hard to nominate the main Avatar article, but if we get a chance we could easily convert this along with it. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 16:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Exactly how is he a tragic hero?-- SUIT 04:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Tragic hero? Hmmm, it seem to fit him, but what about anti-hero? Oooh! I got it! Tragic anti-hero!
My cat: You made that up!
Me: Hey, it seems to fit.
66.45.175.101 20:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Why would one main character page be top importance over the others? I know this one may be the most detailed and longest, but tthis is importance. - Dylan0513 01:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Should Mai still be in the character relationship. I remember others being taken out because of lack of depth and all it really mentions is Mai's apparent childhood crush on Zuko. Since Mai's appearance, there has been no interaction between the two and seeing how the season has ended, I think it's time it was taken down. - Lionheart08
Keeping it up just becase of speculation of what might happen is sort of fandom isn't? From my understanding, Relationships created because the characters had an impact on each other or there was consistent interaction throughtout the series. Aside from the flashback, there has been no interaction between the two, and even then, there wasn't enough substance to warrent a relationship. Lionheart08 20:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed her, considering that they haven't interacted since their childhood and it played no role in who Zuko becomes. People in the relationships section should have some direct meaning to the character's character. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 17:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
We should add something about Mai, especially after seeing this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_yvhgiKK74A Darth G 20:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
This is just a personal opinion but I think the relationships aren't really needed for the character pages. It seems since the relationship pages were created, it has only sprouted more controversy on what is considered a relationship, and what is merely fandom. Add on to that, with a future season coming, there's only going to be more increase to that particular section.
The character pages (Mainly Zuko's and Aang's) are far too long and the character relationships is the only reasonable thing to cut out. And I personally think there already enough on the pages without relationships, to give anyone enough insight on the characters. Lionheart08 20:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Almost this is entire page is original research. Please read WP:OR before adding things you have written yourself. Sources are needed to back up all statements on WP. - Ocatecir 19:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Until I see some good faith effort to discuss the issue (for example, responding to rather than ignoring and deleting talk page comments) I'll just consider any attempt to remove that much content from the article vandalism and react accordingly. Don't really have much choice, if the other parties won't discuss anything...-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
This sorely needs to be written with WP:FAC in mind. And it really needs citations. See List of FoxTrot family members for citing from the source - the page number and book is cited. Surely it can be done for this article? Hbdragon88 09:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the personality section is original resrach. Sentences like While initially the series' main antagonist, over time Zuko's continued development has shown him to be more like a bitter and complex young man are advancing a particular viewpoint, an interpretation, instead of just the facts, and thus require some kind of citation from an outside source. Hbdragon88 09:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
should we add Zuko to the catagory of Fictional Characters with Alter Egos? Granted, there's no catagory with that name, and while he clearly doesn't have multiple personalities, like Conholio is to Beavis for example, the Blue Spirit is still an aspect of him.
[[Category:Alter egos]]
This article has a lot of flaws and I'm going to fail it. The lead should summarize the entire article and be longer than two paragraphs for an article of this size (see WP:LEAD). The article doens't have any inline citations, which is should have. The article has a "original research" tag. I won't get into whether it is justified, but a good article should have resolves these issues. Articles should not contain trivia sections. Finally, the entire article is in-universe and should have out-of-universe information, such as how was the character created in the real world (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(writing_about_fiction)). -- Maitch 15:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I was watching last nigh, and Iroh mentioned something about Zuko's Breath of Flame (?) not really sure what this is, but should it be included in the abilitis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.121.174 ( talk) 03:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
"Breathe of Fire," to be precise, and, like the name implies, it's a talent where be breathes fire. According to the director commentary for the episode it's actually a real Yoga move (Albeit without real fire), and Zuko used it to heat himself up after going through the freezing water and ice during
The Siege of the North.
JBK405 22:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Zuko's age is listed as "16 (possibly 17 by book 2)" shouldn't the "possibly... " part be removed or is there reason to think this? I'm asking because it's been like that for a few days now. Cherries Jubilee 05:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It was mentioned in the begining of "The Avatar State" XAV 16:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
(un-indenting)"Consensus is irrelevant"? Er, no, no its not. Anyway, this has nothing at all to do with fan fiction, so I don't know why you're harping on that. You keep insisting there's no source for him to be anything but 16, but that's simply not true. The show itself does count as a source, you know. Between the website and the show itself, we have bits of information that appear to be in conflict. We reconcile that by compromise. Why do you have such a problem with that?-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but not quite. It's three years have passed since Zuko was first exiled, not three years since Book One. JBK405 02:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. Does anybody have an actual reason why a compromise is wrong here (beyond the "no source", which, as above, has been proven inaccurate), or has this just turned into a game of "edit till I get my way"? Because dispute tags are there to help discuss an issue, and if the people adding them won't discuss the issue, as far as I'm concerned its vandalism and I'll deal with it accordingly.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, wait just a minute here. Where's the source saying he's 16? Because I've got the bio on nick.com open now, and it doesn't say anything about an age other than "teenage".-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I think when the invasion airs somone should change it to 16 as Zuko clearly states that he was 13 when challenged to the Agni Kai and in the episode The Awakning at the fan fair at the palace the two old twins state that it had been three years since he left: 13 + 3 + 16!! ~ DSQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.61.135 ( talk) 22:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's where we can discuss steps to making this a featured article. I'm currently in the process of adding sources to the article. I think that the season 1 and season 2's formats should match. I think we should condense what's in the season 2 section and take away the divisions to make it look like season 1. Thoughts? - Dylan0513 17:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the biggest thing the article actually needs is a fairly brief paragraph at the start describing the world of Avatar, it's history and settings somewhat. One of the primary reasons the article didn't make Good Article status is because it was written in an "in universe" style, and it's true. I imagine someone who has never seen an Avatar episode stumbling onto the article and saying "Firebending? What the hell is Firebending?!!" and then leaving to read something else. If no one else wants to, I can get started on a section like that for the article. Wandering Man
Well they were a part of book 2 and they could be removed eventually. It is unlikely they will be seen in any future episodes. XAV 05:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Jin made an impact on him, first thing with person... *goes to pause Yu-Gi-Oh in the other window* Jin appears to be the first person who had a kind of romantic relationship with and a person with whom he acted different to usual. She may not have been around for long but at the least she showed Zuko the kind of life he could have had if he chose to remain in Ba Sing Se as Lee. Cherries Jubilee 05:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I guess so. Perhaps Jet should be removed eventually he doesn't seem to have left a big impact on him. XAV 05:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I think all relationships should be removed and any relevant information worked into the article. This way the personality section can be deleted and then rewritten as well. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 19:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Note for everybody: we're still discussing this. WP:BOLD isn't a free pass to do whatever you want.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Zuko meets most of the requirements of a Tragic Hero. And note that a tragic hero is often a protagonist, but can be an antagonist —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.143.195 ( talk) 13:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
I guess I shouldn't put my speculation on this without enough support behind it, forgot this is discussion not forum. Sorry about that. I'll change the original post to show just the facts.
I'd call him a tragic villain, even though he's hardly a villainus character, espicially compared most of the other character we see in the Fire Nation. FiercedietylinkX —Preceding unsigned comment added by FiercedeitylinkX ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
although, with the western air temple episode over, its not fair to call him a villain anymore... Dragon queen4ever ( talk) 19:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You must have deleted my Blue Spirit (Character) article because I didn't use the talkpage first. If you added an article like Clark Kent and Superman, you can't add an article like The Blue Spirit (Character) for Zuko? You should have also put up articles for the superhero's alter egos like Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker if you put up Clark Kent and Superman. Sometimes, this site can just get a little weird. But if your reason is that I didn't use the talkpage first, fine. But can I just put up an article for the blue spirit (character) again? Jimblack 23:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)Jimblack
Okay, I know a lot of people want to add Mai now that she's suppose to kiss Zuko in Season 3, but nothing have changed yet. NOt much is known about their relationship except that they well kiss. Until Season 3 airs, I don't think Mai should be added to the relationship section. Lionheart08 13:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
First off for Zuko is his position; Exiled Prince, just Prince, or ex-exiled prince(last one was a joke)? Keyblade Mage 02:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Does anyone know, what "zuzu" means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.177.74.165 ( talk) 21:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Uh... I'm pretty sure it's just short for "Zuko". Lots of nicknames are like that, using/repeating part of the full name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.46.0.116 ( talk) 01:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Call it speculation, but I believe that the series has given sufficient evidence for the argument that Princess Ursa is dead.
In "Zuko Alone", Azula tells Zuko that Azulon ordered to have Ozai's first-born killed so he may learn to respect Iroh. Ursa then visits her son in the middle of the night and tells him that everything she has done has been to protect him, and then she 'goes missing'. The most logical explanation would be that she sacrificed herself to prevent Zuko from being killed. Also, as it states in the article, the dragon in Zuko's dream says to "sleep just like mother", which seems like an obvious reference to her death.
--Marshmello 22:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Still, it is speculation. Even though this may seem to be the most logical explanation for these sequences it still can't be added because it's not been confirmed. Unless an official source states she's dead it can't be added. For all we know she could still be out there somewhere or she might've sacrificed herself. But that's just it - 'might have.' There's a ton of possibilities for her current position and no matter the amount of evidence the show adds it can't be considered the truth unless it is deliberately stated or mentioned in the context. But good thoughts, though! I hope that answers it! :) GeneralIroh ( Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.) 00:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Here is what I have to say about Zuko's mother. I wrote this on another wiki article.
In Book 3, Chapter 11, there is a scene with Fire Lord Ozai and Prince Zuko. Prince Zuko goes about to speak his mind during the Solar Eclipse, when all firebenders are powerless for the duration of the eclipse. As soon as Prince Zuko is dont speaking, he approaches the door, then Fire Lord Ozai tells Prince Zuko, "Don't you want to know what happened to your mother?" Prince Zuko responds, "What happened that night?" and Fire Lord Ozai responds, "My father, Fire Lord Azulon, commanded me to do the unthinkable, to you, my own son, and I was going to do it. But your mother found out, and swore she would protect you at any cost. She knew I wanted the throne, and she proposed a plan. A plan in which I would become fire lord, and your life would be spared. Your mother did vicious, treasonous things that night. She knew the consequences, and accepted them. For her treason, she was banished." Prince Zuko responds, "So she's alive" with a tear in his eye. Then Fire Lord Ozai responds, "Perhaps." And this is all that is said about Ursa.
Vnarang ( talk) 00:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Where has it been said that Zuko is older than Azula, much less by 2 years? I don't recall any statement in the show of their relative ages, and their interpersonal dynamic suggests to me that she's the elder. -- AvatarMN 06:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Er...NIck's show, Nick's website, Nick's information...Seems like that's the most reliable source that we can get. And so, it must go on that Azula is fourteen, and the youngest, unless there is a specific contradiction. Keyblade Mage ( talk) 21:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Please note that I have requested and received semi-protected status for this page. The protection will stand for 18 days, until the actual airing of The Day of Black Sun episodes. As these two episodes were leaked and have not aired anywhere legally, we should not include content from those episodes on these pages.
I have seen varying release dates for these episodes overseas. The only "official" date I have seen for the UK is the 30th, like the US, but I have heard that the UK and Canada might see these episodes one week earlier, on the 23rd. If this is the case, I will request for these pages to be unlocked - US release, as one user pointed out, is not the original air date.
Until then, please, please do not make edits to these pages regarding the unaired content. They will be reverted. 春 Harukaze風 20:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems that some users with accounts are still posting Day of Black Sun spoilers on the pages. You might want to increase the protection level. Just my suggestion. 68.175.106.168 19:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Unbelievable. Somebody put a spoiler/speculation on the talk page. Removed. Oh, I though I would mention that according to the wikipedia guidelines [2], I am allowed to remove comments not relevant to improving the article, such as that one. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 23:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it is time we removed the Temporary Semi-Protected Status it was added and supposed to stay till DoBS aired, both part have aired already (I don't know how or if I can remove it, sorry). Joeking16 ( talk) 20:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
"Zuko has yet to use it in combat." is now incorrect as of episode 11 of book 3 where he demonstrated this ability. -- M.A. ( talk) 06:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Why does the article say he can redirect lightning? In addition, there is also a spoiler/speculation on the section about Ursa. Please remove immediately. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 23:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone explain to me how there have only been 2 generations of zuko's family in 100 years? Sozin was old when Aang was born. it's now 112 years after Aang's birth. But there have only been two generations between that and zuko who isn't much older than aang. Unless Azulon was born incredibly late in Sozin's life and Ozai was born when Azulon was an old man (which we can see isn't true since Ozai was full grown with children of his own in Azulon's old age)it doesn't seem possible. Even assuming Azulon was born the same day as Aang he would have had to wait until he was in his 60's or so to have Ozai who doesn't appear old at the time of the series. In the real world a generation averages about 25 years in most countries. On the other hand, Iroh does appear much older. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.203.143.61 ( talk) 13:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh God... It's like DragonBall Z... SO MANY PLOTHOLES... AAAHHHHH!!
But really. Does it matter? What relevence will it have to the article?[[User:SxeFluff-- SxeFluff ( talk) 05:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)]] :01, 21 November 2007
doesn't matter at all. was just wondering —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.21.223 ( talk) 00:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
no explicit facts are given to explain the generation gap, but a "normal" life span, (60-80 years) is not explicitly stated either. If anything, long life spans are established, such as in King Bumi, Avatar Kyoshi, and Guru Pathik who are at least 100 years old. And according to Azula from "The Avatar and the Firelord, Fire Lord Sozin was 'ancient' at the time of his death".
So some of us know that the episode "The Day of Black Sun" (both parts) have been posted on the internet, even though they haven't aired on television yet. If any of you have seen these episodes you know Zuko's role in the story has changed drastically. I was wondering if everyone was waiting for the actual episodes to air before posting information about Zuko from them or if it's all right to post the information now and it was just that no one has done it yet? Unknown Dragon ( talk) 12:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
One of the reasons that no information from DOBS will be posted is that there is no reliable source and the episode has not aired. The episodes were stolen from Viacom and posted on the internet. However, with the edit messages on the page, can edits that post illegally obtained information be considered bad faith? Vandalism seems to be fairly low right now. I haven't seen the episodes and get annoyed whenever some plot detail is revealed when I'm checking the pages. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
In the two part "Day of th Black Sun" Chapter, Prince Zuko announces his intentions to join the Avatar. Zuko approaches the Firelord during the Solar Eclipse and tells him that he intends the abandon the Fire Nation to assist the Avatar in defeating the Firelord. The Firelord then distracts Zuko by telling him that his mother may, in fact, be alive, but has been banished many years ago in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. This distraction causes Zuko to stay past the solar eclipse and the Firelord attempts to attack him, but Zuko escapes. The episode ends showing Zuko in a Fire Nation air balloon following the Avatar and his group to the Western Air Temple where they plan to find refuge after the invasion fails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.244 ( talk) 03:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I see you guys, finally, got rid of Aang's relationship section. I think we should do the same for Zuko. All the information is already presented in the story section anyway. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 16:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
So Your the bastard who removed Aang's relationship section. How Dare you. Some people like to read the relationship sections! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.54.223 ( talk) 00:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The relationship section in Aangs article has been removed due to being considered original research, only fair that Zuko and all the other characters have their relationship sections removed as well, as all relationship content seems to be considered original research by Wikipedias standards. [/sarcasm]. Can anyone get the Aang relationship section back? 189.32.153.180 ( talk) 23:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
......whatever.......................... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiimanwii1 ( talk • contribs) 04:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
While initially, I think past "The Storm" he is no longer the main antagonist, but has become the Anti-hero of the story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.224.185 ( talk) 23:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
For some reason, unregistered user Heimushi decided to remove the subheadings in the article, got rid of the relationship paragraph with Jin, and added a whole bunch of DOBS spoilers. I'm going to go ahead and revert to the article before this person's first edits, but feel free to change back if you'd like. Magaroja 17:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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An Anti-villain? Xepeyon 02:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is way too long. Unless anyone has any reasons against it, I will be trimming the article to a more appropriate size. -- Hydrokinetics12 ( talk) 18:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The segment is about Zuko and his relation to Jin, but the picture doesn't show Jin's face at all. May I recommend the picture in the " Tales of Ba Sing Se" episode? It shows how Zuko feels awkward towards her and how major Jin's crush on him is. -- Andrelius, 5:19 am, October 1 (UTC) (UTC means GMT 0 right?)
I must say that I have a problem with the main picture of Zuko. It depicts him with his hair just growing in, but in the series his hair is now long enough to be pulled back into a topknot. Could someone please change this? Thanks. -- 24.60.226.175 ( talk) 00:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of "Book 2", it's been said "But Zuko is unable to learn because of his mind". The sentence seemed kindda vague to me. In my opinion this version is able to tell the the reader why he couldnt master the lightning at the time : "But Zuko is unable to learn because of his inner conflict". -- Fotte ( talk) 13:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Something that irks me in the section regarding Zuko's story in Season 3 is the sheer length of it compared to the rest of the sections describing Zuko's story (more interesting that the long parts are from episodes that have yet to air in the US). Unfortunately, I for the life of me cannot figure out a way that shortens these to manageable lengths comparable to the previous sections on Seasons 1 and 2 without cutting out what seems to me to be important information. Caterfree10 ( talk) 18:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Where is Jin? I don't see her being mentioned anywhere except in the abilities section. She's very important when it comes to the character's development. Squeeze her in somewhere! Cicaneo
Who edited this article putting the template that said that it was "too long"? I think that with the amazing amount of information that was released during the last few episodes of Book 3, the substantial amount of info was needed to explain everything clearly. I vote that we should remove the template on the page, unless someone disagrees? Espilceranul ( talk) 10:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if this was answered in the article, but in the episode "The Blue Spirit", right before Zuko dispatches the last guard, it is seen that Zuko throws some kind of substance at the last guard. I thought that this was some sort of waterbending at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.242.88 ( talk) 18:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
"He is also very strong physically. In The Beach he was able to send Ruon Jian back several meters with a slight push of his palm."
Is it only me who thinks that bolded line isn't valid enough to support the "physically strong" claim? That whole episode was clearly in a different style compared to the other episodes. It felt more comical and much more "anime"-ish with all the visual exagerations and such. Zuko being able to slam Ruon Jian so far away could very likely be just an exageration. There are other examples to support the claim, and I think removing this one wouldn't hurt.-- Secretss ( talk) 13:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I am redoing the plot section. Unfortuately, because of the way things have been since the finale, I am resorting to doing it in my sandbox. Just a heads up. Rau's Speak Page 07:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
So we're getting rid of his relationship with Mai, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 ( talk) 02:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Why was the part in his personality about him liking Mai removed? It was just being used as another example of him being able to love deeply, and is just as legitimate as the Iroh and his mother examples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.58.192 ( talk) 19:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Seriously, there is a LOT of trivial information here. When I page down on the other character pages, it's generally 2-3 pages of vague information with few details. Zuko's page is nearly 6 pages long. This NEEDS to get edited down. I understand Zuko-love, he's really a compelling character, but this is ridiculous. You have a bunch of useless information here that is being repeated over and over that don't have anything to do with the overall plot of defeating the Firelord. While the other character pages don't have as many details and spoilers, this one is insanely detailed. I nominate this page be edited down. You don't need all this detail. The "Personality" section is just another character summary and should be cut out. It would be good to get a uniform style between all the character pages. MisterZeppo ( talk) 02:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Why is Zuko's age listed as 16 - 19? Each season of the series spanned a season, not a year, the first season is winter, the second is spring and the third is summer. As of the end of the series, only 9 months have passed, not 3 years. 189.60.129.184 ( talk) 18:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
16-19 doesn't imply that he is 16 at the begining of the series and 19 at the end. It means that he is assumed to be between 16 and 19 years of age, given his still youthful appearence. I'm not sure if an official age has ever been given, but he does look to be a teenager. Exilo ( talk) 02:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
He has been stated both on Nick.com and by several other sources and media, to be sixteen at the beginning of the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.96.192 ( talk) 05:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the article is claiming that Fire Lord Azulon ordered Ozai to kill Zuko. Thing is, I'm not sure if that's ever been confirmed to be true. The only witnesses to Azulon and Ozai's conversation were Azulon, who died shortly thereafter; Ozai, who gained greatly from Azulon's death; and Azula, who often maliciously lies to Zuko for no reason but to cause him pain. The only witness we have that says Azulon made any orders at all is Azula, and she's not really a reliable witness. So is Azulon's order really verifiable enough to be part of the article? - Azathoth117 ( talk) 05:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm a visitor, but does the "position" part for the infobox come up as "age" for anyone else? A bug? prank? something else? 203.117.66.237 ( talk) 14:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The last part of Zuko's involvement irks me: "...uncle's tea shop, which marks his last appearance in the series." Is this not the last appearance of everyone (being the end of the series itself)? 203.117.66.237 ( talk) 15:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The whole idea behind Wikipedia is to have as much relevant information on a page as possible. Zuko's alias "Lee" is used in several episodes and he is called such by a variety of characters. His alter ego "The Blue Spirit" is a major part of his character. There is no reason not to have these aliases mentioned. The information takes up little space and is very relevant. Rashu0 ( talk) 03:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I know I talked about this before on this page, but why is the Season 3 section of this article so long compared to the Season 1 and 2 sections of his plot overview? Isn't there some way to clean up that section to make it more comparable in length to the Season 1 and 2 portions? Also, really, no mention of Jin nor Mai anywhere (Jin more in Season 2)? Especially since the latter is his girlfriend in Season 3? What gives? Caterfree10 ( talk) 18:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Guys, hey, what's with the part about Zuko being the gang's "agony aunt?" Just saying, he never struck me as that, at least... Celestialwarden11 ( talk) 20:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Why doesn't Zuko have a scar in the movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.197.157 ( talk) 02:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Why isnt Zuko's real father not mentioned at all? Because some fans dont like it?-- 94.219.199.207 ( talk) 20:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I just edited zuko's firebending abilities. Does anybody have any questions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.217.220.19 ( talk) 03:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Maybe that's because Ikem isn't zuko's real father and ozia is! Zuko's mom says that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.217.220.19 ( talk) 23:19, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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I have just edited my firebending abilities to be more accurate, any questions?
I just made a bunch of great edits and then sine bot deleted them this sucks......
The page makes the silly statement "Zuko has received unanimous acclaim for his character development, with many calling his arc one of the greatest of all time." That's clearly false (heck, I've never acclaimed him, so there's proof right there). It's also making a real-world claim without a citation. However when I edit the page I do not see the text in there... not sure how it slipped in there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:1400:310:4197:F222:D9C7:C8A8 ( talk) 03:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
21:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Is there content that is missing or content that does not belong? There are contents missing. There needs to be more explanation of Zuko's Firebending abilities, such as his journey with himself, his uncle, and the avatar's group. These are what lead him to his firebending improvements. There's also the need to explain what he chooses to do with his firebending skills. Is it to protect himself? Make other's accept him? Or protect the ones he cares for? How does firebending help him survive in his everyday society? What are his jouney's with using it? What are the benefits and disadvantages of using this ability? Overall, the description of Zuko's firebending abilities is not clear and should be more detailed like to answer the questions above.
This article badly needs to be rewritten and expanded. This article has multiple issues that needs to be improved:
I'll try to remove the unnecessary details for now, but the article still needs a lot of work. DarkFallenAngel ( talk) 16:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
I'll rewrite this whole article soon. All sections are written in non-encyclopedic style, with no sources or with sources that lacks notability. Zuko is one of the best characters in animation history, so him having a poorly-written article is kind of sad. I plan on removing the "Abilities" section, what's everyone's thoughts on this? DarkFallenAngel ( talk) 20:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
@ DarkFallenAngel: Yep, most character articles kinda seem to need a rewrite. The focus on abilities or weapon seems more fitting in a wiki unless it happens to related to the plot like Cloud Strife's Buster Sword. Tintor2 ( talk) 17:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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In the comics, Zuko did find his mom. 24.128.189.166 ( talk) 21:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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Hi...shouldn't this page include a picture of Zuko as he is seen in the second season???? You know...with HAIR....just a thought....and yes, I'd do it myself but I suck at editing pages...so could someone do it for me please!?!?!?! Thanx! Aelita the Angel June 2, 2006 7:04 pm
His mother was a Princess. Married to Prince Ozai, therefore Princess by her husband's right! Unlike her daughter, Azula, who is a Princess through birthright/blood.
Question: Do you mean him by chance? I mean, this is Zuko's board.... (Sayasha)
--Yes, I meant his mother.
Also, someone changed her name to Fire Lady Ursa, but she did not ascend the throne with her husband. She left before he became Fire Lord.
Technically if she is still alive they would be married, so I'd say she's still the Fire Lady (???) - H2P
No because she left and wasn't crowned with her husband. So she never ascended to that title.
Okay, STOP IT! Stop changing her name to Fire Lady Ursa! She was never crowned as the Fire Lord's official consort because she left before he was crowned! You're pissing me off!
Well, I imagine that it totally depends on whether she's still alive or not. Cause, if she's alive, then she's still married to Ozai, which makes her Fire Lady/Queen (whatever you wanna call it). But, she was never actually CROWNED Fire Lady, so... 24.154.137.15 20:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
This is as good a page as any for me to ask on, with the "Zutara" mention, I have to say something. I do realize that Wikipedia doesn't have to worry about space constraints when deciding what can and cannot go into it, but to what extent should fan-shipping be included in this articles? If I write a fanfic about Aang and Zuko becoming lovers, and call it "Zukang" shipping, and it picked up in popularity, with more writing such pairing in fanfics, would this be worth mentioning on Zuko's and Aang's pages?
Has this been covered on Wikipedia somewhere I'm unaware of? I checked the shipping (fandom) page and its associated talk page, but didn't catch anything about the inclusion of mention about shipping on fictional character pages.
I wouldn't expect Bill Gates's page to suggest that fanfic writers like to pair him up with Martha Stewart (assuming such fanfics were written and popular).
Lesoria 04:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Ursa didn't leave, she died! She volunteered to be killed in Zuko's stead. Get it RIGHT, you boneheads!
Now look, I know that the Zutara thing sounds pretty farfetched, and its pretty obvious that the people writing this article are biased towards the Kataang thing, but please show a little more respect towards Zutara. I know that there is no solid evidence for Zutara, but the evidence for Kataang is completely coincidental. I will try to explain this, the first time Aang thinks of Katara as a romantic interest was in the Fourtune teller, and then Aunt Wu tells Katara that she will marry a powerful bender, and then at the end of the episode they point to Aang via "Sometimes I forget how powerful a bender Aang is." My point being is that why give such a vauge clue with "powerful bender" and immediatley point to Aang, in the same episode Aang falls in love with Katara ? And they continue this with the cave of two lovers, lets face it, we know they wanted us to think Aang and Katara kissed, but there is no solid evidence that they did, why would they do that? Now I know that all the clues point to Aang, but I remeber the Harry Potter series (Spolier Ahead) that only had a slight mention of Harry/Ginny in the begining when Ginny had a crush on Harry, and it was countinued to make it look like a girlish crush, and then Ginny moved on to more boyfriends, and then BAM!! Harry/Ginny became Cannon. There are other things I could say about this that I wont but let me leave with this, Katara and Sokka were the first two to find Aangs, and they have been friends ever since there meeting, but when Aang and Katara first saw each other, the didnt really think of eachother in that way. They've been through so much, the could practicly be brother and sister. Now Katara and Zuko have been eneimes since day 1, and been bareknuckle fighting since day 2, this kind of relation ship could go many different ways, I dont know who said this, but what they said was "the person you know best, is your enemy." and I know who said this, "People fight, and sometimes get married, and do a much different kind of fighting after that." C.S Lewis. I know that a lot of people will hate me for saying this, some will call me a noob, but hey, its all good. And if it turns out that the Katang thing is for real, Hey no hard feelings.
Answer: How about instead we don't include theorized relationships.
About every Avatar character article is chockfull of fancruft. Some major cleaning up might be in order. This shipping nonsense is little more than fan fiction. In WP articles, it's embarassing. --
Antrophica 23:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia = Facts
Shipping = Fiction
By this understanding, Zutara should not be even mentioned because we've seen nothing canonical to support something like that. However, the stuff about Aang and Katara should be listed (like the crush, the "kiss", Fortunteller, etc.) because it has happened and contributes to many of the episodes. Nothing between Katara and or Zuko has (and, come on, be serious, ever will) happened therefore it shouldn't be part of their bio. -- H2P 2:32, 28 May 2006
Agreed with all statements above. Virtually all the Avatar pages have conjecture of some kind, most notably shipping. Heck, I just removed more shipping crud from this page, the Katara page (
Talk:Katara), and the Sokka page (
Talk:Sokka). It's almost tempting to start a Wikiproject:Avatar to clean up this huge mess.
Prototime 23:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, your all right, when I wrote this it had a million different ships on it, and I am new so I didnt really think about the whole neutrality thing, thank you guys for cleaning this crap up, I'm new, My bad.
Avatar=Fiction, Peace -- St.Gameractucs Hulk 19:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Well guys, what I originally intended a passing statement may just become a reality. Check out Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender for information on a potential WikiProject that, should it get off the ground, will ideally serve as a device to reduce this and many other problems concerning the content and strucutre of pages relating to Avatar: The Last Airbender on Wikipedia. Prototime 23:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
The WikiProject is now official; check it out at Wikipedia:WikiProject Avatar: The Last Airbender. I hope to see everyone there! Prototime 16:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I personally saw no romantic feelings between the two however i've noticed that he doesn't taunt or insult her as much as he used to. one of the big things i've noticed about Zuko is his respect for his enemies he might bad mouth them but for some reason i see that he has a sense of sportsmanship about fighting them espicially Aang and Katara
My mistake i shall endevour not to put speculation in this acticle. still what i say definantly seems more likely than the idea that Zuko is in love with Katara, still i realize that yes it is speculation.
Ok, as it stated int eh 1st season, he was 14 when banished. Now, in season 2, he had his 3 year mark of being banished. Check my math, but that equals 17 years old. So stop deleting the part that says he's not 17! ~Sayasha
Ok, this si getting out of hand. Think about it like this. If Azula is 2 years YOUNGER then Zuko, and she's 15, then 15=2=17, not 15+2=16. For tose of you who know math, check it, if you wish. But he is 17, not 16! ~Sayasha
But if you put 2 and 2 together, then you know that he's 17! They just about say it in the episode if you listen correctly! Though you dont want to admit it, you know that he is 17! If you can give me logical proof, that he is still 16, then I will drop it. bu ttill then, he is still 17-years-old, and I will keep changing it t say 17-years-old! Nick.com says that he is 16 in the first season. If in the 2nd season, it is known that he was banished 3 years prior, then he has to be 17 now! And think about this. It says Azula is the same age as Sokka. If there is a 2 reay difference in Azula and Zuko's age, then Zuko is 17.~Sayasha
Shay, our entire WikiProject is devoted to keeping these pages clean of all forms of speculation and to clean them up to represent all the information that has been presented to us. I'll be watching all the episodes in order soon to get quotes and a list of animals. Any information I find about Zuko's age I will present. From my current knowledge, however, I have not seen anything that supports the theory that Zuko has had a birthday since the pilot. Know that until we find canonical evidence supporting otherwise, there will be at least 5 people at all times ready to revert your changes. H2P 05:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I can prove that he is 17, using the show. Corect me at any time. Iroh mentions that Zuko is 16. In episode 3, Zuko make that "If my Father thinks the rest of the world will fallow him willingly, the he's a fool" comment to Zhao. Zhao interns, says "TWO YEARS at sea have done little to temper your tounge". Now, fastforward to season 2. The 3 year anaversery HAS to mean that he is, infact 17. Because as you said, "He has not celebrated a BirthDay in the show." For all we know, his BirthDay was during the weeks fallowing the Seige of the North, which only continude with Iroh comment. Now, feel free to go back and check my work. Episode 3, 20, 21, and what ever episode you wish that mentions has age, as there are a few. Now, good night. Oh, it's Sayasha, not Saysha. ^^ ~Sayasha
When Avatar started, Nick.com said "Sixteen-year-old". In episode 8 for example, Iroh said Zuko was 16. This was also the Winter Sostice episode. Then, season 2, had the first few days of spring. Zuko's birthday doesnt have to fall in the fall or summer just because he's a Fire Bender.~Sayasha
Ok, tell me. How do we know that the Agni Ki was in Spring? Hm? For all we know, it was in the Summer. And thats going by your facts. Now, do you really think that Iroh would let a 13 year old into the War Room? And on the Zhao comment, ya, it has relavince here. This is the steps to prove Zuko is 17.
1. Go to Nick.com and select Avatar on the bottom menu.
2. Select characters, and choose Zuko.
3. Read the part where it says:"sixteen-year-old Zuko s a big bully".
4. Then got watch episode 3, where Zuko and Zhao are talking in the tent.(It's in the first 10 minutes)
5. Watch episode 8.(It's in the title)
6. minus 16 and 2, to get 14.
7. Now watch episode 21, where Zuko first come in.(I have no idea where it is...)
8. Watch episode 28.(The beggining)
Now, you should gather that Zuko is 16 in the first season, banished 2 years prier to episode 3, that the next season that they are in in the first seaon is Winter, once again, that Zuko is 16, 2-16=14, in episode 21 they have been gone, floating for weeks, Zuko has been banished for 3 years, and that Spring is now starting. ~Sayasha
Amazingly, I'm getting tierd of arguing, but still, I wont admit I'm wrong. Fallow the shows logic. It's all in there. Even my friend who is blind, and hard of hearing can understand that Zuko is 17, just from the show. Just watch the show, and tell me that Zuko cant be 17. The creators of Avatar said that there is a 2 year difference from Azula and Zuko. I don thtink that Azula is 14. And I know it's not winter once again. Thats a "No duh!" part. No one is inplying that it is winter again, but you who is mentioning it. And for my reason behind the War Room part, Zuko, if he hadnt been banished, would never rule during the war. Sences the war was to end soon. And, the current Fire Lord chooses who his/her heir will be. Ozai didnt have to choose Zuko to be the next Fire Lord.~Sayasha
Fuck it. I'm not arguing this anymore if you aren't going to listen. You have no canonical evidence so you might as well stop because every time you change it we'll simply change it back.
It's better to try and fail, then to not try at all. A simple code of my religion. And I'm fallowing the shows info. Even my mom can tell you that he's 17. And she has only seen 5 episodes. All my evidance flows, unlike yours. Mine is logical, fallowing the story's plot. Yours, is all speculational. It's not me that needs to go back, it is you. Even if Zuko's BirthDay was the day before The Boy in the IceBerg, he would still be 17. ~By now, you know who I am
Okay. Let's look at what your argument for his age being 17 is deductively:
Assuming the above claim is true, we can then move on to next statement, which that claim now serving as one of the grounds.
Now, the issue that I have and most of the other editors here have is concerning is that the grounds in Statement #1 do not prove its claim; specifically, that more grounds than have been presented are required to make the claim. The following are my counterarguments:
To illustrate this last claim, assume that his true age (A) at the beginning of Season 1 is 16 years, 6 months (A = 16.5 years), and that the exact time that he's been banished (T) is 2 years, 6 months (T = 2.5). Now, let's do the math:
In this case, it is shown that he was indeed 14 years old when he banished, and thus would be 17 three years later. However, consider the following equally plausible scenario: assume that his exact age at the beginning of Season 1 (A) is 16 years, 3 months (A = 16.25) and that the exact time that he's been banished (T) is 2 years, 9 months (T = 2.75). Now, let's do the math:
If Zuko is 13 and a half years old at the time of his banishment, then quite obviously, it does not equate that his 3rd year anniversary means that he is 17; it means that he is 16 and a half.
Now, because we do not know A or T, and all we can do is guess, we cannot say for certain what his true age is, being it 16 or 17. However, we do know that Zuko is 16 in season 1, and for the purposes of Wikipedia we cannot assume that he has become 17 (as such is unverifiable information), and as such, the age listed on the page should remain 16 to represent the knowledge we do know, which is that Zuko being 16 years of age in the series is the only verifiable information we have concerning his age.
Peace. Prototime 02:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
(No argument meant this time!) Why, since as you stated, he could 16 or 17, dont we just put "Age: 16/17"? That would settle this argument. I mean, I see the logic you put up there. Which is the FIRST set of logic I've seen. So, since he could be eathor or, why dont we just leave it like it is? (16/17) ~Sayasha
^_^ Sorry, I cant understand math unless it's in Algebra. I had to have my friend type up most of my math. I think that could be 1 reason that this took over 2 weeks. ^_~~Sayasha
Ok, we had an agreemant. 16 (possibly 17 by Season 2). I couldnt have changed it because I was out for surgery, so dont start useing foul lanuage on a website that teachers request students to use for projects! And those who are changing it, until someone says Zuko is 17, IT STAYS LIKE THAT!
I guess that makes sense, but on the other hand, by that logic, shouldn't Sokka's page say (possibly 16 by season 2) and Katara's page say (possibly 15 by season 2) etc.?
OKAY!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!!!! I WANNA KNOW HOW OLD ZUKO IS!!!!!!!! I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LOGIC!!!!!! JUST ASK THE F**KING AVATAR PRODUCERS!!!!!!!!!!! JEESE!!!!!!! THEY'LL TELL YOU!!!! IN FACT, F**K THIS, I'M GONNA GO ASK THEM MYSELF!!!!!! WHEN I KNOW, YOU'LL KNOW!!!!!! THERE!!!!!! STOP ARGUING!!!!! (sorry...I'll try to control myself next time...) Zutara-Princess
Oh, to the user above...I'm not trying to be rude, but the cursing isn't appreciated. 24.154.137.15 21:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
Okay, wow; that was ALOT of reading. Honestly, I think Zuko would probably be 17 if he was a real person. But he's not, and so we can't really know, because there probably isn't a set day where every character in the story ages like in real life. If it was my desision I would say "16 (perhaps 17)," because this is all we really know, he's been named 16, but could perhaps be 17, simple as that.
Right, my eyes have officially rolled into the back of my head now. Everyone trying to change his name to seventeen: stop. Just stop. You guys can talk about math all you want (I'm a math guy myself), but flashing some addition's not gonna work here. We don't know how old Zuko was when he was banished, k? We know he WAS sixteen, and haven't gotten any confirmation that his birthday has come around since the beginning of the series. We just know that he's been banished for over three years. I don't see this huge debate going on in Aang's page. Why not? The kid WAS 112 when the series started, how do we know his birthday hasn't happened? Or Katara's or Sokka's? Heck, WHY DOES THE AGE MATTER SO MUCH!? JUST ACCEPT WHAT NICK.COM TELLS YOU AND STOP MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT'S SUCH A BIG DEAL! Y BCZ 01:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
What the hell is this shit and why does Wikipedia direct me here when I search for "zuzu"? Shouldn't I be directed to the It's a Wonderful Life page rather than some Nick kid's show?? V. embarrassing to Wikipedia. If you guys think this is the place for complex and massively detailed articles about obscure cartoons, that's your right, but please don't make unrelated searches go to your page. 160.39.187.92 ( talk) 16:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
if you want to lok up its a wonderful life, then type in its a wonderful life. geez. Zuzu was a nickname a character gave this specific character, if you type it in, youll come here. Dragon queen4ever ( talk) 19:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else think it's time to update his picture to one more current? It doesn't look as if his hair will change much more, and besides, we're 1/2 way through the season, if you've seen Day of Black Sun by now. GdaMan 03:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC) GdaMan
i agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny NovA ( talk • contribs) 11:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, now that DoBS has officially aired all over the world, I think now is a very good opportunity, to change Zuko's picture (as well as other characters' pictures). He doesn't look like that anymore, and I'm not referring to the hair, but to the emotion you see on his face. His new look is more calm, mature, and less confused, and that's the kind of picture that should be up. Not to mention, we are half-way through the final season and he is the most dynamic character. GdaMan ( talk) 21:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)GdaMan
i also believe the same he is now a differen person a different look and besides the other is to old, we could move it somewhere else in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.157.118.28 ( talk) 14:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Will people please bother to check the article for spoilers? There are spoilers that need to be removed on the personality section and the relationship with Ursa section. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 05:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC) There are still spoilers on the personality section. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 17:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Now there are spoilers on the Ursa and Aang sections. Remove them. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 21:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
how about no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.59.179 ( talk) 23:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Tears is spelled wrong in the article- it's incorrectly spelled "teers"
His scar may heal someday, as it is said that a scar lingers until the argument between the man who caused it and the man who owns it has been resolved. In other words until Zuko has claimed the throne.
I don't think his scar will ever be healed. It's a part of him now.
Hey, I put a lot of stuff in my fanfiction that I don't actually think will happen (healing scar, Suki is an Earthbender, ect.). It's just for the sake of making the story interesting. Lots of people do that, actually (since you're not really big on pairings, I guess you don't read a lot of fanfiction, so...). I don't think Katara will heal Zuko's scar, but it's a possibility...besides, there ARE places in the show where real-life rules are disregarded. And, as the "Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children" creators once defined the rules for making a good anime show/movie, the only rule was this: "Who cares as long as it looks cool?". Oh, and yeah, I agree, with a character who has magical/Waterbending powers, who KNOWS what could happen. She unblocked a dude's CHI for goodness' sake! 208.122.69.38 15:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
if you're thinking of it lodgically from the creater's point of view- it would kind of ruin the mystery of zuko... i think so any way.
if you're thinking of it lodgically from the real life point of view- it would have healed by now if it was going to- my sister got fire burns (on xmas eve 2, not fun!) and they went away after like a week or two (or more... i forget). if it was going away, it would of by now.
Yes, but I'm saying that scars don't nessesarly fade. Harry's didn't, and Zuko's probably wont. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.156.189 ( talk) 20:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I put the picture that I originally uploaded back, my reasoning being that it's a better crop without the giant "Nick" logo on it, and whereas the other picture was very heavily shadowed and farther away, this one is clear, closer-up, you can see his scar better, and it's just an all-around better picture, IMO. Not to mention it depicts Zuko looking ornery, but determined which I think is a very good representation of his general character as opposed to the other picture where he's more or less staring forward expressionlessly. Raceberry 05:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Any picture of Zuko is fine with me. :-)
We need a season 3 pic. His hair is different now, the picture sould change. Nice picture you had though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.156.189 ( talk) 20:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
You guys are always going to find something to start an edit war over aren't you. Alright, we'll have a vote to close next Friday. Is it Brown or is it Black? The problem comes in that in Book One, it was easily black. However, since growing his hair it looks lighter. However, I'm going to blame this new light color on his constant shaving of it and/or the dust and dirt he now surrounds himself with. So I vote Black H2P 06:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
No to say much, but when he was younger, his hair was Brown, even before he was banished. Now, it could be coming back to it's normal color..... Just saying. ~Sayasah
I agree with all of you... I vote Black. His hair does look brown when he is younger, but I think it is because of the constant sunlight he was in when he was younger. I mean, he lived in the Fire Nation, if he wasn't in the sun he was around some other constant source of light or fire. And besides, it's always sunny there, save for night time. When he was banished, he spent a lot of his time in his room as well, so the sun couldn't bleach his hair. Now, as in second season, he is outside a lot more, probably due to the fact that he is a traveler and doesn't have a room to hide in. The sun actually has some time to bleach his hair. + the dirt thing, that too. But in secret of the fire nation, you could tell if you looked close enough that his hair was black. Still, please people, don't go pressing your noses against the tv...you know....don't wanna be responsible for any eye-trauma...~ Zutara-Princess--Don't forget th rabies! Everything tastes better with rabies!! 05:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that his hair turns black when he's near large bodies of water. His brown hair might turn black when its et or damp. - Count Mall
Zuko's hair is black. The only reason why it looks brown, is becuase he hasn't taken a bath in a really long time, so there is dirt, dust and grime on his hair. In SOFN, Zuko seems to have at least washed his hair or gotten all the grime out of it. - The Dragon's Daughter.
Another thing to consider about Zuko's hair when he's younger is that the coloring and light used is slightly different. Why? Because it denotes a flashback, just as how sounds echo very slightly in the same sequences.
I'm gonna have to say that it's dark brown. When Zuko was shown at fourteen in "The Storm", his hair was obviously brown, and it looks brown now that it's shorter. Also, Azula obviously has dark brown hair, and since they're siblings, that could be taken into consideration. 24.154.137.15 03:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
The only reason his hair looked brown was because Zuko's flashbacks are always in different lighting (more brownish). Momoroxmysoxoff 21:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
While I would say his hair is black- you should also compare it to, like, Toph's hair, which is black.
In relation to the above, this is true. For example, MY hair is VERY dark brown, and people always think it's black. But if compared to my sister, who DOES have black hair, you can see that it's brown. The whole lighting thing, yeah, that could be accredited to the flashback animation changes (everything does seem to take on an odd hue), but that doesn't change the fact that, in current time, both Zuko and Azula have clearly brown hair. This is especially obvious if compared to Toph whose hair is easily black, as defined by the creators. 24.154.137.15 00:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
I have black hair and I know, when you have little hair, you can see your skin through the hair, so it won't look dark. As it grows, it becomes thicker and darker.
I looked at the fire nation page on wikipedia and Zuko's hair is black because people in the fire nation usually have dark brown to black hair. And honestly it's almost the same thing. :)
I vote for... black ! -Itachiluvor
It is black, Zuko and Azula have black hair. Zuko's hair just gets lighter because of the sun.
Definetly black. I mean, he only has brown hair in book 2 'cause he's in so much sun. Also, dust could make it look brown
Ok, not to bring this up, after the 1 month chat about it, but there is a slit "Zuko's age problem" to tend to. Not big, dont worry. Just the part, where it says that "..Zuko was about 10-years-old...". Can we really put that in? I mean, with about in there, it kinda flys, but since his age at the time is not known, can it be on there. for all we know, he was only 8-years-old. wich, doesnt pass well with the 10-years-old part. Just saying. ~Sayasha
I think Zuko was ten when his mother died/vanished/disappeared/went missing. -The Dragon's Daughter. Quick Note - Zuko's mother was actually banished by the Firelord in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. She may or may not still be alive and Zuko plans to find her after he joins the Avatar. - Scotty Boy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.244 ( talk) 03:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The Triva for Zuko... yeah, has anyone noticed it? The two Chinese kanji characters making up his name Zu meaning the ancsetral tomb/ancestors and Kou meaning to rob, pillage/ rob. In that light, his name would mean something like this: Robber of the Ancestral Tomb. Or something along those lines. Just thought I might throw it out there, I always thought Zuko would mean honorable. - The Dragon's Daughter
Has anyone noticed that both forms of his name include a character about something ancestoral?
Why isn't there a section about Zuko's bending? We have one for Aang, Katara and Toph, so why not Zuko? At least something about his fighting style or sowards. September 26 15:45 Momoroxmysoxoff
I added one, but I don't think it's up to standards... Zygger 18:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
This is getting kind of long guys. I suggest adding more pictures in the relationships section, something like Zuko fighting Jet or talking to Jin or whatever. What we need is distractors that allow you to scroll down and not see a huge body of text. I know how everyone loves an anti-hero, but this body of information is huge compared to Aang and his group. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 06:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Due to size and content I request that we put this page up for re-grading. I have no idea how to do this though. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 19:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
And, once again, I'm REALLY not trying to start something, but I don't appreciate your insulting my intelligence. Contrary to popular belief here, I'm NOT stupid.
I am not insulting your intelligence, I am expressing frustration over your insistence on a subject that you obviously do not possess complete knowledge of. An anti-hero is not one who goes against the hero of a series-that's the villain, or antagonist. An anti-hero is a protagonist or hero of a story that possesses particularly unheroic traits-a bank robber could be the hero of his own story, for example, but he's not a very heroic person. Zuko has certainly expressed unheroic qualities throughout the series but has, of late, been cast in the role of a protagonist. Y BCZ 22:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
In the Jet section of Zuko's relationship article, I noticed that there is a sentece that reads like this: "Some believe the light streaks from the tip of his broadswords are lightning--this is not so. When he slashes his swords through the air, the streaks are simply a trail of light from the sword" This is blasphemy. A mere "trail of light" would not be able to slice the toothpick in Jet's mouth clean in half. Also note that the blue streaks had only come from Zuko's blades later on in the fight moments before the police had arrived, and how it was emphasized when first shown cutting Jet's toothpick. The streaks that were shown early in the fight were clear and white, as opposed to the clearly blue-edged lights that eventually began to emit from Zuko's broad-swords. I don't know where anyone comes off saying that these were "simply a trail of light"; the only explanation is that this is either blue flame or lightning. Don't forget that as of recently Zuko's personality hs changed from being arrogant and angered to noticeably more calm and collected as if in control of his emotions better, which is what a firebender requires to bend lightning. Unless of course there is some sort of official material that states otherwise, I suggest the thory of lightning stays a primary possibility, as the light was far too distictive to be just an after-image of some kind.
Why are people still arguing this? I clearly proved the theory wrong completely with just 3 pictures. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 04:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
See Talk: Uncle Iroh#Requested move to discuss. Please do not discuss the move here, follow the link.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that the Personality section is a little... awkward? I don't know if someone wants to try integratting it better with the rest of the article, I was just passing through and noticed it left a little something to be desired grammatically, so I did my best giving it a makeover. Sean Patrick Santos 23:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Are the details in the relationship between Sokka and Zuko important enough for there to be a section devoted to it? H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 04:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)+
I agree. I doubt that Zuko even notices that Sokka even exists. Momoroxmysoxoff
Too, in the episode "Crossroads of Destiny" when Aang says he'll help get Zuko and Katara back, Sokka says he isn't going to rescue Zuko at all. Then Iroh says there is good in him, and Sokka remarks tell us when it's outside him too. And Zuko knows who Sokka is because in the episodes, "The boy in the iceburg" he fights Sokka and beats him up.
"At first, Zuko lashes out and turns to robbery, even to those who are kind to him. However, over time, Zuko begins to calm himself and act in a better way"
A 'better' way?
Um...I changed something on the trivia section. Lee/Li (however you want to spell it) also means "Strength" in Chinese. Its a Chinese boy's name. I got this information off of a Chinese baby name websight. -DJ Zutara and Taang FOREVER 04:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)(PS: My username is Dragon Jadefire, but I go by DJ)
Should there be spoilers for Lake Laogai {and unaired episodes in general} in this article? Although there's a spoiler warning near the beginning, people might not expect unaired episode spoilers. -- NoraBlack 04:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Any canonical information that is available can be posted. There's hardly a difference in posting spoilers for episodes that haven't aired in one particular manner or another. Lake Laogai has aired on TurboNick instead of Nickelodeon, but there are quite a few episodes that are in the reverse situation. It's all the same to someone who has or hasn't seen it. -- Y BCZ 22:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC) (UTC)
PICTURE OF ZUKO from Lake Laogai episode: Why doesn't someone update the picture of zuko to one from the Lake Laogai episode after it airs tonight? I would, but don't know how. Besides, he looks A LOT cooler with his hair longer. Sorta gangster-ish.
Sure, lets just update his picture every new episode then! H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 06:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean his hair has grown a lot longer since he firt had it cut. I'd go either way, but what does everyone else think? Momoroxmysoxoff 01:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that Zuko may be the one to train Aang in book 3. Since it is unlikely that he'll ever be able to return to the fire nation, his hatred of Azula, his slow change into a good guy, and Uncle Iroh helping him, he might decide to help Aang. What do you think?
I know this isn't a forum and all but I just want to point out Zuko isn't even done with HIS training. Iroh is still teaching him... So even if by some random conicidience he was taught by one of them, it would probably be Iroh.
For all we know, he could be a master, but there could be tecniqes he hasn't mastered yet (blue fire and lightning). It goes back to Ozai and Zhao being masters, yet hasn't been seen bending blue fire and/or lightning. Momoroxmysoxoff 21:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
In regards to the last comment, I wouldn't forget that Iroh, himself, is a master. I'm sure almost everyone can aree on that. Vnarang ( talk) 00:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
In the two part "Day of th Black Sun" Chapter, Prince Zuko announces his intentions to join the Avatar. Zuko approaches the Firelord during the Solar Eclipse and tells him that he intends the abandon the Fire Nation to assist the Avatar in defeating the Firelord. The Firelord then distracts Zuko by telling him that his mother may, in fact, be alive, but has been banished many years ago in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. This distraction causes Zuko to stay past the solar eclipse and the Firelord attempts to attack him, but Zuko escapes. The episode ends showing Zuko in a Fire Nation air balloon following the Avatar and his group to the Western Air Temple where they plan to find refuge after the invasion fails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.244 ( talk) 03:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the section entirely. I don't care if you like to pretend that Katara and Zuko are meant for each other. It's still not case, and there has been no indication whatsoever. Thus, there's little point to actually have the section and exempt Toph and Sokka beyond the insane delusions of shippers. Interrobamf 10:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Does he ever even say her name... ever? No, Zuko has never said "Katara, Sokka, Aang, Toph," or any of them in his life probably I am hoping for him to say at least ONE of their names to see how it sounds. haha I'm so obsessed. I've never heard any fire benders (besides like Jeong Jeong) say any of their names, they always say the Avatar and his friends and stuff.
Are we allowed to add information for future episodes which information has been confirmed. For instance could you add that they are trapped in a cave together in the upcoming episode? Or should we wait until it airs?
Mabye someone should add somthing about the Zutara fandom and the fact that Avatar shows that they know of it in the short "Golden Dragon Dance". ~ DSQ
In the two part "Day of th Black Sun" Chapter, Prince Zuko announces his intentions to join the Avatar. Zuko approaches the Firelord during the Solar Eclipse and tells him that he intends the abandon the Fire Nation to assist the Avatar in defeating the Firelord. The Firelord then distracts Zuko by telling him that his mother may, in fact, be alive, but has been banished many years ago in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. This distraction causes Zuko to stay past the solar eclipse and the Firelord attempts to attack him, but Zuko escapes. The episode ends showing Zuko in a Fire Nation air balloon following the Avatar and his group to the Western Air Temple where they plan to find refuge after the invasion fails.
I've made some efforts to condense the synopsis of Book Two slightly and make it flow better.. what does everyone think? Wandering Man 07:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it looks better. Not like the list that was there. Momoroxmysoxoff 14:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
This reads so much better. I'm going to go ahead and remove the List to Prose statement. Now all we need to do is shorten it to a much more readable length and we'll be done with it. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 19:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Now that the season is over and I'm feeling caught up on everything, I'm going to make an effort to do some major pruning on this section... if I don't have it done by tonight it should be ready in the next day or two. Wandering Man 21:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Finished updating the Book II section. It wound up as more of a trimming than a true pruning, but I got reid of a lot of needless details and tried to make the details of the important events more concise. (I think when I first copied it into Word it ran at more than 5 and a half pages, I managed to cut out about a page of that). If anyone wants to do further work on it, feel free. Wandering Man
I noticed that someone has made Zuko a firebending master, even though it's just a title. When did that happen? And can we consider him a master? Boywonder18 00:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I think he can be considered master now.. in the invasion during book 3 he faces up to Firelord Ozai during the eclipse.. at the end of the convosation Ozai fires lightning at Zuko but Zuko reverses it and knocks the Firelord down.. so Zuko can obviously manipulate lightning now that he's let go of his shame or something which Iroh said he needs to do before he can successfully create lightning! (sorry to anyone who hasn't seen that episode yet!!) Krazy mickle ( talk) 19:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I took it off and just let it say "Firebender". He's probably close to mastery, but I guess we'll have to see if he's ever refered to in the show as one. Momoroxmysoxoff 01:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
This really needs to stop. "Master" is a title, a rank. You’re formally given that title by another Master (presumably your instructor.) Its not just "learn all these techniques and then you are a master." Think of it like a military promotion: whether or not you deserve to be a Corporal, you're still a Private until somebody promotes you. People need to stop editing this (and other) articles to claim people are masters who have never been given the title.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Nick Latin America has informed that he is indeed a Firebending Master, so, he in reality is.
Try to find a spanish avatar clip with Zuko inside, often the word Maestrofuego which means firebending master can be heard, that should be enough proof and, what gives proof of Zhao being a firebending master.
There aren't any spanish videos on youtube and my computer can't access turbonick so, try searching yourself but, what gives proof of other firebenders being masters.
See this link, it was edited a long time ago. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuko#Las_Capacidades
That means that Zuko needs to be called Firebending master, Exactly as it is written. Cpzphantom 01:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, but can a normal firebender beat a Firebending master?
Considered adding professional since there must be a way to describe he is quite different from a normal firebender but hasn't received the firebending master title yet. also, when were toph and Katara where called masters and when did azula was Cpzphantom 21:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
But an expert, normal firebender is quite different from a master, something to say he is inside the requirements of a master but that he isn't, after all almost all characters are reffered as masters.
These two are listed under the realtionships section but are they really large enough characters to be there? They were both only there for one episdoe each. Jin I can inderstand because she was pretty much Zuko's first relationship even if she was only there for one episode. But Song? She hardly had a large enough role to be truly significant and her chances of being seen again are fairly low. I think at least Song's section should be deleted. Anyone agree? 69.141.78.155 21:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
So is it agreed that we should delete Song's paragraph? Or does anyone protest to this? But if you do have a good reason why because once again, Song really isn't a huge part of Zuko's life anymore. 69.141.78.155 22:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't saying we delete just yet. Just seeing if anyone disagreed. Jin yes she might still play a major role. However Song I think is doubtful. 69.141.78.155 20:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Due to the fact that information on this page won't be updated for a good while, and due to the overall length and style of the article, I suggest that we clean this up just a bit more and then nominate it for FA status. In order to do this, though, we are going to need to cite many of the episodes as sources (similar to what I did to Waterbender a while back). I've cleaned a few unnecessary pictures from the page, the rest need proper citation (I don't think the Jet picture works all that well). I know we're all working real hard to nominate the main Avatar article, but if we get a chance we could easily convert this along with it. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 16:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Exactly how is he a tragic hero?-- SUIT 04:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Tragic hero? Hmmm, it seem to fit him, but what about anti-hero? Oooh! I got it! Tragic anti-hero!
My cat: You made that up!
Me: Hey, it seems to fit.
66.45.175.101 20:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Why would one main character page be top importance over the others? I know this one may be the most detailed and longest, but tthis is importance. - Dylan0513 01:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Should Mai still be in the character relationship. I remember others being taken out because of lack of depth and all it really mentions is Mai's apparent childhood crush on Zuko. Since Mai's appearance, there has been no interaction between the two and seeing how the season has ended, I think it's time it was taken down. - Lionheart08
Keeping it up just becase of speculation of what might happen is sort of fandom isn't? From my understanding, Relationships created because the characters had an impact on each other or there was consistent interaction throughtout the series. Aside from the flashback, there has been no interaction between the two, and even then, there wasn't enough substance to warrent a relationship. Lionheart08 20:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed her, considering that they haven't interacted since their childhood and it played no role in who Zuko becomes. People in the relationships section should have some direct meaning to the character's character. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 17:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
We should add something about Mai, especially after seeing this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_yvhgiKK74A Darth G 20:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
This is just a personal opinion but I think the relationships aren't really needed for the character pages. It seems since the relationship pages were created, it has only sprouted more controversy on what is considered a relationship, and what is merely fandom. Add on to that, with a future season coming, there's only going to be more increase to that particular section.
The character pages (Mainly Zuko's and Aang's) are far too long and the character relationships is the only reasonable thing to cut out. And I personally think there already enough on the pages without relationships, to give anyone enough insight on the characters. Lionheart08 20:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Almost this is entire page is original research. Please read WP:OR before adding things you have written yourself. Sources are needed to back up all statements on WP. - Ocatecir 19:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Until I see some good faith effort to discuss the issue (for example, responding to rather than ignoring and deleting talk page comments) I'll just consider any attempt to remove that much content from the article vandalism and react accordingly. Don't really have much choice, if the other parties won't discuss anything...-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
This sorely needs to be written with WP:FAC in mind. And it really needs citations. See List of FoxTrot family members for citing from the source - the page number and book is cited. Surely it can be done for this article? Hbdragon88 09:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the personality section is original resrach. Sentences like While initially the series' main antagonist, over time Zuko's continued development has shown him to be more like a bitter and complex young man are advancing a particular viewpoint, an interpretation, instead of just the facts, and thus require some kind of citation from an outside source. Hbdragon88 09:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
should we add Zuko to the catagory of Fictional Characters with Alter Egos? Granted, there's no catagory with that name, and while he clearly doesn't have multiple personalities, like Conholio is to Beavis for example, the Blue Spirit is still an aspect of him.
[[Category:Alter egos]]
This article has a lot of flaws and I'm going to fail it. The lead should summarize the entire article and be longer than two paragraphs for an article of this size (see WP:LEAD). The article doens't have any inline citations, which is should have. The article has a "original research" tag. I won't get into whether it is justified, but a good article should have resolves these issues. Articles should not contain trivia sections. Finally, the entire article is in-universe and should have out-of-universe information, such as how was the character created in the real world (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(writing_about_fiction)). -- Maitch 15:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I was watching last nigh, and Iroh mentioned something about Zuko's Breath of Flame (?) not really sure what this is, but should it be included in the abilitis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.121.174 ( talk) 03:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
"Breathe of Fire," to be precise, and, like the name implies, it's a talent where be breathes fire. According to the director commentary for the episode it's actually a real Yoga move (Albeit without real fire), and Zuko used it to heat himself up after going through the freezing water and ice during
The Siege of the North.
JBK405 22:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Zuko's age is listed as "16 (possibly 17 by book 2)" shouldn't the "possibly... " part be removed or is there reason to think this? I'm asking because it's been like that for a few days now. Cherries Jubilee 05:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It was mentioned in the begining of "The Avatar State" XAV 16:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
(un-indenting)"Consensus is irrelevant"? Er, no, no its not. Anyway, this has nothing at all to do with fan fiction, so I don't know why you're harping on that. You keep insisting there's no source for him to be anything but 16, but that's simply not true. The show itself does count as a source, you know. Between the website and the show itself, we have bits of information that appear to be in conflict. We reconcile that by compromise. Why do you have such a problem with that?-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but not quite. It's three years have passed since Zuko was first exiled, not three years since Book One. JBK405 02:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. Does anybody have an actual reason why a compromise is wrong here (beyond the "no source", which, as above, has been proven inaccurate), or has this just turned into a game of "edit till I get my way"? Because dispute tags are there to help discuss an issue, and if the people adding them won't discuss the issue, as far as I'm concerned its vandalism and I'll deal with it accordingly.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, wait just a minute here. Where's the source saying he's 16? Because I've got the bio on nick.com open now, and it doesn't say anything about an age other than "teenage".-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I think when the invasion airs somone should change it to 16 as Zuko clearly states that he was 13 when challenged to the Agni Kai and in the episode The Awakning at the fan fair at the palace the two old twins state that it had been three years since he left: 13 + 3 + 16!! ~ DSQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.61.135 ( talk) 22:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's where we can discuss steps to making this a featured article. I'm currently in the process of adding sources to the article. I think that the season 1 and season 2's formats should match. I think we should condense what's in the season 2 section and take away the divisions to make it look like season 1. Thoughts? - Dylan0513 17:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the biggest thing the article actually needs is a fairly brief paragraph at the start describing the world of Avatar, it's history and settings somewhat. One of the primary reasons the article didn't make Good Article status is because it was written in an "in universe" style, and it's true. I imagine someone who has never seen an Avatar episode stumbling onto the article and saying "Firebending? What the hell is Firebending?!!" and then leaving to read something else. If no one else wants to, I can get started on a section like that for the article. Wandering Man
Well they were a part of book 2 and they could be removed eventually. It is unlikely they will be seen in any future episodes. XAV 05:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Jin made an impact on him, first thing with person... *goes to pause Yu-Gi-Oh in the other window* Jin appears to be the first person who had a kind of romantic relationship with and a person with whom he acted different to usual. She may not have been around for long but at the least she showed Zuko the kind of life he could have had if he chose to remain in Ba Sing Se as Lee. Cherries Jubilee 05:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I guess so. Perhaps Jet should be removed eventually he doesn't seem to have left a big impact on him. XAV 05:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I think all relationships should be removed and any relevant information worked into the article. This way the personality section can be deleted and then rewritten as well. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 19:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Note for everybody: we're still discussing this. WP:BOLD isn't a free pass to do whatever you want.-- Fyre2387 ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Zuko meets most of the requirements of a Tragic Hero. And note that a tragic hero is often a protagonist, but can be an antagonist —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.143.195 ( talk) 13:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
I guess I shouldn't put my speculation on this without enough support behind it, forgot this is discussion not forum. Sorry about that. I'll change the original post to show just the facts.
I'd call him a tragic villain, even though he's hardly a villainus character, espicially compared most of the other character we see in the Fire Nation. FiercedietylinkX —Preceding unsigned comment added by FiercedeitylinkX ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
although, with the western air temple episode over, its not fair to call him a villain anymore... Dragon queen4ever ( talk) 19:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
You must have deleted my Blue Spirit (Character) article because I didn't use the talkpage first. If you added an article like Clark Kent and Superman, you can't add an article like The Blue Spirit (Character) for Zuko? You should have also put up articles for the superhero's alter egos like Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker if you put up Clark Kent and Superman. Sometimes, this site can just get a little weird. But if your reason is that I didn't use the talkpage first, fine. But can I just put up an article for the blue spirit (character) again? Jimblack 23:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)Jimblack
Okay, I know a lot of people want to add Mai now that she's suppose to kiss Zuko in Season 3, but nothing have changed yet. NOt much is known about their relationship except that they well kiss. Until Season 3 airs, I don't think Mai should be added to the relationship section. Lionheart08 13:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
First off for Zuko is his position; Exiled Prince, just Prince, or ex-exiled prince(last one was a joke)? Keyblade Mage 02:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Does anyone know, what "zuzu" means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.177.74.165 ( talk) 21:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Uh... I'm pretty sure it's just short for "Zuko". Lots of nicknames are like that, using/repeating part of the full name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.46.0.116 ( talk) 01:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Call it speculation, but I believe that the series has given sufficient evidence for the argument that Princess Ursa is dead.
In "Zuko Alone", Azula tells Zuko that Azulon ordered to have Ozai's first-born killed so he may learn to respect Iroh. Ursa then visits her son in the middle of the night and tells him that everything she has done has been to protect him, and then she 'goes missing'. The most logical explanation would be that she sacrificed herself to prevent Zuko from being killed. Also, as it states in the article, the dragon in Zuko's dream says to "sleep just like mother", which seems like an obvious reference to her death.
--Marshmello 22:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Still, it is speculation. Even though this may seem to be the most logical explanation for these sequences it still can't be added because it's not been confirmed. Unless an official source states she's dead it can't be added. For all we know she could still be out there somewhere or she might've sacrificed herself. But that's just it - 'might have.' There's a ton of possibilities for her current position and no matter the amount of evidence the show adds it can't be considered the truth unless it is deliberately stated or mentioned in the context. But good thoughts, though! I hope that answers it! :) GeneralIroh ( Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.) 00:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Here is what I have to say about Zuko's mother. I wrote this on another wiki article.
In Book 3, Chapter 11, there is a scene with Fire Lord Ozai and Prince Zuko. Prince Zuko goes about to speak his mind during the Solar Eclipse, when all firebenders are powerless for the duration of the eclipse. As soon as Prince Zuko is dont speaking, he approaches the door, then Fire Lord Ozai tells Prince Zuko, "Don't you want to know what happened to your mother?" Prince Zuko responds, "What happened that night?" and Fire Lord Ozai responds, "My father, Fire Lord Azulon, commanded me to do the unthinkable, to you, my own son, and I was going to do it. But your mother found out, and swore she would protect you at any cost. She knew I wanted the throne, and she proposed a plan. A plan in which I would become fire lord, and your life would be spared. Your mother did vicious, treasonous things that night. She knew the consequences, and accepted them. For her treason, she was banished." Prince Zuko responds, "So she's alive" with a tear in his eye. Then Fire Lord Ozai responds, "Perhaps." And this is all that is said about Ursa.
Vnarang ( talk) 00:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Where has it been said that Zuko is older than Azula, much less by 2 years? I don't recall any statement in the show of their relative ages, and their interpersonal dynamic suggests to me that she's the elder. -- AvatarMN 06:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Er...NIck's show, Nick's website, Nick's information...Seems like that's the most reliable source that we can get. And so, it must go on that Azula is fourteen, and the youngest, unless there is a specific contradiction. Keyblade Mage ( talk) 21:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
Please note that I have requested and received semi-protected status for this page. The protection will stand for 18 days, until the actual airing of The Day of Black Sun episodes. As these two episodes were leaked and have not aired anywhere legally, we should not include content from those episodes on these pages.
I have seen varying release dates for these episodes overseas. The only "official" date I have seen for the UK is the 30th, like the US, but I have heard that the UK and Canada might see these episodes one week earlier, on the 23rd. If this is the case, I will request for these pages to be unlocked - US release, as one user pointed out, is not the original air date.
Until then, please, please do not make edits to these pages regarding the unaired content. They will be reverted. 春 Harukaze風 20:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems that some users with accounts are still posting Day of Black Sun spoilers on the pages. You might want to increase the protection level. Just my suggestion. 68.175.106.168 19:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Unbelievable. Somebody put a spoiler/speculation on the talk page. Removed. Oh, I though I would mention that according to the wikipedia guidelines [2], I am allowed to remove comments not relevant to improving the article, such as that one. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 23:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it is time we removed the Temporary Semi-Protected Status it was added and supposed to stay till DoBS aired, both part have aired already (I don't know how or if I can remove it, sorry). Joeking16 ( talk) 20:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
"Zuko has yet to use it in combat." is now incorrect as of episode 11 of book 3 where he demonstrated this ability. -- M.A. ( talk) 06:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Why does the article say he can redirect lightning? In addition, there is also a spoiler/speculation on the section about Ursa. Please remove immediately. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) 23:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone explain to me how there have only been 2 generations of zuko's family in 100 years? Sozin was old when Aang was born. it's now 112 years after Aang's birth. But there have only been two generations between that and zuko who isn't much older than aang. Unless Azulon was born incredibly late in Sozin's life and Ozai was born when Azulon was an old man (which we can see isn't true since Ozai was full grown with children of his own in Azulon's old age)it doesn't seem possible. Even assuming Azulon was born the same day as Aang he would have had to wait until he was in his 60's or so to have Ozai who doesn't appear old at the time of the series. In the real world a generation averages about 25 years in most countries. On the other hand, Iroh does appear much older. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.203.143.61 ( talk) 13:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh God... It's like DragonBall Z... SO MANY PLOTHOLES... AAAHHHHH!!
But really. Does it matter? What relevence will it have to the article?[[User:SxeFluff-- SxeFluff ( talk) 05:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)]] :01, 21 November 2007
doesn't matter at all. was just wondering —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.21.223 ( talk) 00:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
no explicit facts are given to explain the generation gap, but a "normal" life span, (60-80 years) is not explicitly stated either. If anything, long life spans are established, such as in King Bumi, Avatar Kyoshi, and Guru Pathik who are at least 100 years old. And according to Azula from "The Avatar and the Firelord, Fire Lord Sozin was 'ancient' at the time of his death".
So some of us know that the episode "The Day of Black Sun" (both parts) have been posted on the internet, even though they haven't aired on television yet. If any of you have seen these episodes you know Zuko's role in the story has changed drastically. I was wondering if everyone was waiting for the actual episodes to air before posting information about Zuko from them or if it's all right to post the information now and it was just that no one has done it yet? Unknown Dragon ( talk) 12:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
One of the reasons that no information from DOBS will be posted is that there is no reliable source and the episode has not aired. The episodes were stolen from Viacom and posted on the internet. However, with the edit messages on the page, can edits that post illegally obtained information be considered bad faith? Vandalism seems to be fairly low right now. I haven't seen the episodes and get annoyed whenever some plot detail is revealed when I'm checking the pages. 68.175.106.168 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
In the two part "Day of th Black Sun" Chapter, Prince Zuko announces his intentions to join the Avatar. Zuko approaches the Firelord during the Solar Eclipse and tells him that he intends the abandon the Fire Nation to assist the Avatar in defeating the Firelord. The Firelord then distracts Zuko by telling him that his mother may, in fact, be alive, but has been banished many years ago in exchange for sparing Zuko's life as a child. This distraction causes Zuko to stay past the solar eclipse and the Firelord attempts to attack him, but Zuko escapes. The episode ends showing Zuko in a Fire Nation air balloon following the Avatar and his group to the Western Air Temple where they plan to find refuge after the invasion fails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.244 ( talk) 03:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I see you guys, finally, got rid of Aang's relationship section. I think we should do the same for Zuko. All the information is already presented in the story section anyway. H2P ( Yell at me for what I've done) 16:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
So Your the bastard who removed Aang's relationship section. How Dare you. Some people like to read the relationship sections! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.54.223 ( talk) 00:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The relationship section in Aangs article has been removed due to being considered original research, only fair that Zuko and all the other characters have their relationship sections removed as well, as all relationship content seems to be considered original research by Wikipedias standards. [/sarcasm]. Can anyone get the Aang relationship section back? 189.32.153.180 ( talk) 23:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
......whatever.......................... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiimanwii1 ( talk • contribs) 04:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
While initially, I think past "The Storm" he is no longer the main antagonist, but has become the Anti-hero of the story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.224.185 ( talk) 23:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
For some reason, unregistered user Heimushi decided to remove the subheadings in the article, got rid of the relationship paragraph with Jin, and added a whole bunch of DOBS spoilers. I'm going to go ahead and revert to the article before this person's first edits, but feel free to change back if you'd like. Magaroja 17:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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An Anti-villain? Xepeyon 02:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is way too long. Unless anyone has any reasons against it, I will be trimming the article to a more appropriate size. -- Hydrokinetics12 ( talk) 18:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The segment is about Zuko and his relation to Jin, but the picture doesn't show Jin's face at all. May I recommend the picture in the " Tales of Ba Sing Se" episode? It shows how Zuko feels awkward towards her and how major Jin's crush on him is. -- Andrelius, 5:19 am, October 1 (UTC) (UTC means GMT 0 right?)
I must say that I have a problem with the main picture of Zuko. It depicts him with his hair just growing in, but in the series his hair is now long enough to be pulled back into a topknot. Could someone please change this? Thanks. -- 24.60.226.175 ( talk) 00:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of "Book 2", it's been said "But Zuko is unable to learn because of his mind". The sentence seemed kindda vague to me. In my opinion this version is able to tell the the reader why he couldnt master the lightning at the time : "But Zuko is unable to learn because of his inner conflict". -- Fotte ( talk) 13:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Something that irks me in the section regarding Zuko's story in Season 3 is the sheer length of it compared to the rest of the sections describing Zuko's story (more interesting that the long parts are from episodes that have yet to air in the US). Unfortunately, I for the life of me cannot figure out a way that shortens these to manageable lengths comparable to the previous sections on Seasons 1 and 2 without cutting out what seems to me to be important information. Caterfree10 ( talk) 18:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Where is Jin? I don't see her being mentioned anywhere except in the abilities section. She's very important when it comes to the character's development. Squeeze her in somewhere! Cicaneo
Who edited this article putting the template that said that it was "too long"? I think that with the amazing amount of information that was released during the last few episodes of Book 3, the substantial amount of info was needed to explain everything clearly. I vote that we should remove the template on the page, unless someone disagrees? Espilceranul ( talk) 10:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if this was answered in the article, but in the episode "The Blue Spirit", right before Zuko dispatches the last guard, it is seen that Zuko throws some kind of substance at the last guard. I thought that this was some sort of waterbending at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.242.88 ( talk) 18:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
"He is also very strong physically. In The Beach he was able to send Ruon Jian back several meters with a slight push of his palm."
Is it only me who thinks that bolded line isn't valid enough to support the "physically strong" claim? That whole episode was clearly in a different style compared to the other episodes. It felt more comical and much more "anime"-ish with all the visual exagerations and such. Zuko being able to slam Ruon Jian so far away could very likely be just an exageration. There are other examples to support the claim, and I think removing this one wouldn't hurt.-- Secretss ( talk) 13:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I am redoing the plot section. Unfortuately, because of the way things have been since the finale, I am resorting to doing it in my sandbox. Just a heads up. Rau's Speak Page 07:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
So we're getting rid of his relationship with Mai, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 ( talk) 02:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Why was the part in his personality about him liking Mai removed? It was just being used as another example of him being able to love deeply, and is just as legitimate as the Iroh and his mother examples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.58.192 ( talk) 19:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Seriously, there is a LOT of trivial information here. When I page down on the other character pages, it's generally 2-3 pages of vague information with few details. Zuko's page is nearly 6 pages long. This NEEDS to get edited down. I understand Zuko-love, he's really a compelling character, but this is ridiculous. You have a bunch of useless information here that is being repeated over and over that don't have anything to do with the overall plot of defeating the Firelord. While the other character pages don't have as many details and spoilers, this one is insanely detailed. I nominate this page be edited down. You don't need all this detail. The "Personality" section is just another character summary and should be cut out. It would be good to get a uniform style between all the character pages. MisterZeppo ( talk) 02:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Why is Zuko's age listed as 16 - 19? Each season of the series spanned a season, not a year, the first season is winter, the second is spring and the third is summer. As of the end of the series, only 9 months have passed, not 3 years. 189.60.129.184 ( talk) 18:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
16-19 doesn't imply that he is 16 at the begining of the series and 19 at the end. It means that he is assumed to be between 16 and 19 years of age, given his still youthful appearence. I'm not sure if an official age has ever been given, but he does look to be a teenager. Exilo ( talk) 02:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
He has been stated both on Nick.com and by several other sources and media, to be sixteen at the beginning of the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.96.192 ( talk) 05:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the article is claiming that Fire Lord Azulon ordered Ozai to kill Zuko. Thing is, I'm not sure if that's ever been confirmed to be true. The only witnesses to Azulon and Ozai's conversation were Azulon, who died shortly thereafter; Ozai, who gained greatly from Azulon's death; and Azula, who often maliciously lies to Zuko for no reason but to cause him pain. The only witness we have that says Azulon made any orders at all is Azula, and she's not really a reliable witness. So is Azulon's order really verifiable enough to be part of the article? - Azathoth117 ( talk) 05:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm a visitor, but does the "position" part for the infobox come up as "age" for anyone else? A bug? prank? something else? 203.117.66.237 ( talk) 14:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The last part of Zuko's involvement irks me: "...uncle's tea shop, which marks his last appearance in the series." Is this not the last appearance of everyone (being the end of the series itself)? 203.117.66.237 ( talk) 15:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The whole idea behind Wikipedia is to have as much relevant information on a page as possible. Zuko's alias "Lee" is used in several episodes and he is called such by a variety of characters. His alter ego "The Blue Spirit" is a major part of his character. There is no reason not to have these aliases mentioned. The information takes up little space and is very relevant. Rashu0 ( talk) 03:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I know I talked about this before on this page, but why is the Season 3 section of this article so long compared to the Season 1 and 2 sections of his plot overview? Isn't there some way to clean up that section to make it more comparable in length to the Season 1 and 2 portions? Also, really, no mention of Jin nor Mai anywhere (Jin more in Season 2)? Especially since the latter is his girlfriend in Season 3? What gives? Caterfree10 ( talk) 18:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Guys, hey, what's with the part about Zuko being the gang's "agony aunt?" Just saying, he never struck me as that, at least... Celestialwarden11 ( talk) 20:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Why doesn't Zuko have a scar in the movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.197.157 ( talk) 02:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Why isnt Zuko's real father not mentioned at all? Because some fans dont like it?-- 94.219.199.207 ( talk) 20:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I just edited zuko's firebending abilities. Does anybody have any questions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.217.220.19 ( talk) 03:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Maybe that's because Ikem isn't zuko's real father and ozia is! Zuko's mom says that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.217.220.19 ( talk) 23:19, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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I have just edited my firebending abilities to be more accurate, any questions?
I just made a bunch of great edits and then sine bot deleted them this sucks......
The page makes the silly statement "Zuko has received unanimous acclaim for his character development, with many calling his arc one of the greatest of all time." That's clearly false (heck, I've never acclaimed him, so there's proof right there). It's also making a real-world claim without a citation. However when I edit the page I do not see the text in there... not sure how it slipped in there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:1400:310:4197:F222:D9C7:C8A8 ( talk) 03:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
21:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Is there content that is missing or content that does not belong? There are contents missing. There needs to be more explanation of Zuko's Firebending abilities, such as his journey with himself, his uncle, and the avatar's group. These are what lead him to his firebending improvements. There's also the need to explain what he chooses to do with his firebending skills. Is it to protect himself? Make other's accept him? Or protect the ones he cares for? How does firebending help him survive in his everyday society? What are his jouney's with using it? What are the benefits and disadvantages of using this ability? Overall, the description of Zuko's firebending abilities is not clear and should be more detailed like to answer the questions above.
This article badly needs to be rewritten and expanded. This article has multiple issues that needs to be improved:
I'll try to remove the unnecessary details for now, but the article still needs a lot of work. DarkFallenAngel ( talk) 16:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
I'll rewrite this whole article soon. All sections are written in non-encyclopedic style, with no sources or with sources that lacks notability. Zuko is one of the best characters in animation history, so him having a poorly-written article is kind of sad. I plan on removing the "Abilities" section, what's everyone's thoughts on this? DarkFallenAngel ( talk) 20:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
@ DarkFallenAngel: Yep, most character articles kinda seem to need a rewrite. The focus on abilities or weapon seems more fitting in a wiki unless it happens to related to the plot like Cloud Strife's Buster Sword. Tintor2 ( talk) 17:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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In the comics, Zuko did find his mom. 24.128.189.166 ( talk) 21:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)