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![]() | On 16 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Battle of Zikim to 2023 Zikim attack. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The Battle of Zikim isn’t just restricted to Bahad 4 and Kibbutz, as recent as a few hours ago there were reports of Clashes in Karmia and Ruetenburg Power Plant, how can we verify this Map to be accurate. (I don’t think the lands south of Bahad 4 were taken by Hamas, as it was largely a Naval incursion) A.H.T Videomapping ( talk) 13:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Zikim hasnt been contested for over a week now, and Israel has said while it can't rule out any lingering infiltrators remain in the south there isn't a mass incursion anymore and hasn't been for quite some time. All the fighting is currently isolated to Gaza. I'm not sure why this article was locked and then never bothered to be updated. Wordbearer88 ( talk) 09:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
I have located several accounts of the clashes at Zikim and hope that someone will use them for the improvement of the article. My suggestions are as follows (feel free to change any of my language if you don't like how it sounds):
To the Initial assault section, add to the end:
Fighting at Zikim Beach on 7 October is notable for involving the first-ever use of the
Eitan AFV in combat. The vehicle was originally scheduled to have been put into operation in 2024. The
Nahal Brigade team operating the Eitan reached speeds of 120 km/h on
Highway 6, which allowed it to be the first Israeli unit to arrive to the scene of the battle, killing several militants on the beach before moving forward to support other units. The successful use of the vehicle at Zikim Beach prompted
Tamir Yada'i, head of
IDF Ground Forces Command, to integrate the Eitan into plans for the invasion of the Gaza Strip.
[1]
I encourage anybody more fluent in Hebrew to add whatever you can to the above. Correspondingly, add the 933rd "Nahal" Infantry Brigade to the units involved section in the infobox, citing the same article.
Also include the Snapir unit of the Israeli Navy in the same section, citing this article. [2]
In the Clashes section, October 8: Capitalize 916th Patrol Squadron.
In the Clashes section, October 10, add
The incident was geolocated by
Al Jazeera English to an area about a kilometer southwest of
Bahad 4.
[3]
Rework the mention of the 17th Battalion in the infobox so it reads "17th Battalion, 828th Bislamach Brigade," citing the France 24 reference in the article. Date of October 10th onward may not be necessary. Citing the same source, include the 52nd Armoured Battalion, 401st Armoured Brigade, and the Sayeret Maglan (Unit 212, 89th Oz Brigade). Include the shields of the units in the infobox.
In the Clashes section, October 11: remove the reference to LiveUAMap - in addition to not being the greatest source it simply redirects to the other reference that we already have here ( Al Arabiya on Twitter).
To the Clashes section, add at the end of the existing text (October 13):
Israel National News later reported that a militant had been killed on the beach by the IDF.
[4]
On October 16, reports cited by the
Institute for the Study of War suggested that two militants from the Gaza Strip infiltrated the coastline west of Zikim, subsequently being killed by an IDF helicopter.
[5]
Thank you.
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 22:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC) SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 22:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
References
Battle of Zikim | |||
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Part of 2023 Israel-Hamas war | |||
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Bahad 4 instructors and recruits Armed civilians |
All positions that were once infiltrated by hamas were taken back by the IDF. AstroSaturn ( talk) 13:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Hamas is a terrorist organization set on murdering Jews and Israelis. The EU and the United States have designsted it a 'terror organization'. Hence, its members are not soldiers or militants , but terrorists. Cynyaron ( talk) 21:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
According to a Haaretz article, the strength of the Israeli force at Bahad 4 was 14 IDF soldiers whom at least 6 were officers, 90 recruits had taken cover and not engaged in any fighting along with 30 administrative staffers and civilians. The unit at Bahad 4 was the Home Front Command’s search and rescue brigade and the base commander was Lt. Col. Shay. Hamas had about 50 militants. The Israeli casualties for the battle of Bahad 4 were 6 officers and 1 recruit, they also suffered 7 injured. [1] MrBLOCKiron ( talk) 09:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians, please update this article to incorporate reports of a clash between the IDF and the al-Qassam Brigades from today, 24 October 2023. Below is what I would have written if I were extended-confirmed, but it could probably benefit from being condensed a bit:
On 24 October, the Israel Defence Forces announced its navy had eliminated a unit of eight Hamas members, which Hamas referred to as its "frogmen," attempting to land on the Zikim Beach from the Mediterranean Sea. [5] [6] [7] [8] Fighter jets and a helicopter gunship bombed what the IDF said was a military installation from which the militants came. [5] [6] According to military spokesman Daniel Hagari, Hamas had used tunnels from the Gaza Strip that emerged in open waters in the Mediteranean. [8]
Alarms sounded in Zikim and the neighboring village of Karmia, both of which had largely been evacuated on the first day of the war, during the evening of the 24th, as the IDF searched for militants whom it believed had escaped the initial encounter. [5] [6] [7]
A second clash took place late into the night of the 24th, as at least an additional ten Hamas fighters were killed in what The Jewish Press described as "another massive attempt to infiltrate Israeli territory." Infiltration alerts were activated in Zikim, Karmia, and nearby Netiv HaAsara, and remaining residents of the three villages were instructed to find shelter immediately and lock all doors and windows. [6] [9] SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 20:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
References
ttoi
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).walla
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Greetings all, a reference to the article "Resistance reinforces forces in Israel's southern settlements" by The Cradle uses an incorrect URL, directing the reader to a 404 page. The same is true of its Wayback Machine archive. Please use this link: https://new.thecradle.co/articles/resistance-reinforces-forces-in-israels-southern-settlements
Even accounting for this, neither of the citation in the first sentence about the events of October 10th makes reference to the "Trans-Israel pipeline junction." For this reason, I propose that this term be struck from our article. @ MrBLOCKiron, you are responsible for this terminology, so I invite you to justify it.
What's more, it is not apparent what the 10 October rocket attack in Ashkelon has to do with the Battle of Zikim. There have been numerous such attacks before and after, none of which would make sense to include here, as it's very difficult to make the case that they are directly related to combat 10+ km to the south.
The mention of combat in the Ashkelon Industrial Park is, at least to me, acceptable to retain for now, as this may be a reference to an area within the same general combat zone, but more research is needed. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 23:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
So on October 24 there was a group of Hamas diver who tried to land near Zikim. Reportedly all of them were neutralized. I suggest this incident be introduced into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorgedweller ( talk • contribs) 08:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Zikim hasn't been infiltrated for multiple days now. Personisinsterest ( talk) 01:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Based on the above, I'll change the status of the battle. What reasonable interpretation of policy would force us to retain the absurd claim of an ongoing battle in Zikim? And even if there is such a policy, it's time to ignore it. – St.nerol ( talk) 16:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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There is nothing to indicate that there was a « 90 minute warning » given to civilians as written under « subsequent attacks ». Thanks! 2A02:6680:2108:F397:9595:282F:1DC9:9BDF ( talk) 09:42, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Haskko: You write in your edit summary that Israel only retook Zikim after the battle ended, implying that Hamas seized Zikim, held it for the duration of the battle, and then simply withdrew peacefully after the battle had ended. I don't see how this version of events is supported by the text of the article, nor do I see any mention of this supposed quiet period during which Hamas withdrew. Mikrobølgeovn ( talk) 13:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
It's like saying the yom kippur war was "Initial Egyptian victory". Zikim Was recaptured and Hamas was repelled. That's a full Israeli victory. AstroSaturn ( talk) 01:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Map in article appears to violate WP:IMAGEOR, the illustration/introduction of unpublished ideas/arguments. In particular, the depiction of the Rutenberg power station as having been "recaptured by the IDF" could not be verified, and there was no source provided in the Commons file. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 16:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
"According to an investigation by France 24, the video appeared to show Israeli soldiers killing four Palestinian men who were attempting to surrender, a war crime under international law. France 24 also states that there were no clearly visible weapons in the drone shot of the initial encounter, "though the images are blurry and it is impossible to see whether weapons were on the scene.""
The citation link is https://observers.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231013-israeli-army-tweets-video-that-appears-to-show-soldiers-shooting-palestinians-who-surrendered ExplosivePanda ( talk) 06:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Greetings all, in my quest to improve this Wikipedia article, I've come across a 17-minute video documentary produced by Channel 13 (Israel). It seems to be a retelling of the Ha'aretz piece on the battle at Bahad 4 that has already been very helpful for expanding the page. The video is heavy on drone footage and appears to discuss the combat at various positions on the base, so I'm hopeful that once translated, it will be able to significantly improve our understanding of the tactical battles there.
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 04:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Reenem, wanted to share that I had located the Jerusalem Post article that came up in two of your edits. The original was in a pretty user-unfriendly format, but here's a direct link to Yonah Jeremy Bob's work on the naval response to the events at Zikim October 7th.
Unfortunately, the problem this presents is that it claims that seven ships crossed from Gaza into Israeli waters, a pretty serious contradiction with the articles we're currently using, which has left me unsure of how to proceed.
Source | Total number of boats crossing maritime border | Total number of men on boats | Number of boats destroyed at sea | Number of boats that landed on beach | Total number of men that landed on beach |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Yonah Jeremy Bob (11/7) | 7 | not specified | 3 | 4 | 11 |
Amir Bohbot (10/10) | 4 | 30 | 2 | 2 | not specified |
Amir Bohbot (11/27) | 4 | 35 | 3 | 1 | 11 |
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 18:53, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Zikim attack. Consensus largely indicates a support for a move backed with citations. A consensus exists that support a move without the year title. Since there is only one other article that mentions a conflict involved in Zikim, a hatnote should be sufficient for people who are looking for the other article. ( non-admin closure) Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 22:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Zikim → 2023 Zikim attack – Per WP:COMMONNAME in RS Ynet, Guardian, AA, Times of Israel, etc, and in from community consensus to name other events on October 7 that involved Hamas militants launching assaults on Israeli targets ( Nahal Oz attack, Nirim attack). Battle is simply inaccurate and should be moved regardless of the target. No RS uses this term and per the events, Hamas launched a barrage of rockets, invaded the base, conducted an attack, then were killed. One-sided offensive. Not really two armies meeting on a battlefield.
Adding the year to differentiate this event from the Zikim Naval Operation, likely to be renamed to 2014 Zikim attack Longhornsg ( talk) 07:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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![]() | On 16 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Battle of Zikim to 2023 Zikim attack. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The Battle of Zikim isn’t just restricted to Bahad 4 and Kibbutz, as recent as a few hours ago there were reports of Clashes in Karmia and Ruetenburg Power Plant, how can we verify this Map to be accurate. (I don’t think the lands south of Bahad 4 were taken by Hamas, as it was largely a Naval incursion) A.H.T Videomapping ( talk) 13:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Zikim hasnt been contested for over a week now, and Israel has said while it can't rule out any lingering infiltrators remain in the south there isn't a mass incursion anymore and hasn't been for quite some time. All the fighting is currently isolated to Gaza. I'm not sure why this article was locked and then never bothered to be updated. Wordbearer88 ( talk) 09:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
I have located several accounts of the clashes at Zikim and hope that someone will use them for the improvement of the article. My suggestions are as follows (feel free to change any of my language if you don't like how it sounds):
To the Initial assault section, add to the end:
Fighting at Zikim Beach on 7 October is notable for involving the first-ever use of the
Eitan AFV in combat. The vehicle was originally scheduled to have been put into operation in 2024. The
Nahal Brigade team operating the Eitan reached speeds of 120 km/h on
Highway 6, which allowed it to be the first Israeli unit to arrive to the scene of the battle, killing several militants on the beach before moving forward to support other units. The successful use of the vehicle at Zikim Beach prompted
Tamir Yada'i, head of
IDF Ground Forces Command, to integrate the Eitan into plans for the invasion of the Gaza Strip.
[1]
I encourage anybody more fluent in Hebrew to add whatever you can to the above. Correspondingly, add the 933rd "Nahal" Infantry Brigade to the units involved section in the infobox, citing the same article.
Also include the Snapir unit of the Israeli Navy in the same section, citing this article. [2]
In the Clashes section, October 8: Capitalize 916th Patrol Squadron.
In the Clashes section, October 10, add
The incident was geolocated by
Al Jazeera English to an area about a kilometer southwest of
Bahad 4.
[3]
Rework the mention of the 17th Battalion in the infobox so it reads "17th Battalion, 828th Bislamach Brigade," citing the France 24 reference in the article. Date of October 10th onward may not be necessary. Citing the same source, include the 52nd Armoured Battalion, 401st Armoured Brigade, and the Sayeret Maglan (Unit 212, 89th Oz Brigade). Include the shields of the units in the infobox.
In the Clashes section, October 11: remove the reference to LiveUAMap - in addition to not being the greatest source it simply redirects to the other reference that we already have here ( Al Arabiya on Twitter).
To the Clashes section, add at the end of the existing text (October 13):
Israel National News later reported that a militant had been killed on the beach by the IDF.
[4]
On October 16, reports cited by the
Institute for the Study of War suggested that two militants from the Gaza Strip infiltrated the coastline west of Zikim, subsequently being killed by an IDF helicopter.
[5]
Thank you.
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 22:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC) SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 22:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
References
Battle of Zikim | |||
---|---|---|---|
Part of 2023 Israel-Hamas war | |||
| |||
Belligerents | |||
![]() |
![]() | ||
Units involved | |||
Bahad 4 instructors and recruits Armed civilians |
All positions that were once infiltrated by hamas were taken back by the IDF. AstroSaturn ( talk) 13:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Hamas is a terrorist organization set on murdering Jews and Israelis. The EU and the United States have designsted it a 'terror organization'. Hence, its members are not soldiers or militants , but terrorists. Cynyaron ( talk) 21:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
According to a Haaretz article, the strength of the Israeli force at Bahad 4 was 14 IDF soldiers whom at least 6 were officers, 90 recruits had taken cover and not engaged in any fighting along with 30 administrative staffers and civilians. The unit at Bahad 4 was the Home Front Command’s search and rescue brigade and the base commander was Lt. Col. Shay. Hamas had about 50 militants. The Israeli casualties for the battle of Bahad 4 were 6 officers and 1 recruit, they also suffered 7 injured. [1] MrBLOCKiron ( talk) 09:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians, please update this article to incorporate reports of a clash between the IDF and the al-Qassam Brigades from today, 24 October 2023. Below is what I would have written if I were extended-confirmed, but it could probably benefit from being condensed a bit:
On 24 October, the Israel Defence Forces announced its navy had eliminated a unit of eight Hamas members, which Hamas referred to as its "frogmen," attempting to land on the Zikim Beach from the Mediterranean Sea. [5] [6] [7] [8] Fighter jets and a helicopter gunship bombed what the IDF said was a military installation from which the militants came. [5] [6] According to military spokesman Daniel Hagari, Hamas had used tunnels from the Gaza Strip that emerged in open waters in the Mediteranean. [8]
Alarms sounded in Zikim and the neighboring village of Karmia, both of which had largely been evacuated on the first day of the war, during the evening of the 24th, as the IDF searched for militants whom it believed had escaped the initial encounter. [5] [6] [7]
A second clash took place late into the night of the 24th, as at least an additional ten Hamas fighters were killed in what The Jewish Press described as "another massive attempt to infiltrate Israeli territory." Infiltration alerts were activated in Zikim, Karmia, and nearby Netiv HaAsara, and remaining residents of the three villages were instructed to find shelter immediately and lock all doors and windows. [6] [9] SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 20:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
References
ttoi
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).walla
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Greetings all, a reference to the article "Resistance reinforces forces in Israel's southern settlements" by The Cradle uses an incorrect URL, directing the reader to a 404 page. The same is true of its Wayback Machine archive. Please use this link: https://new.thecradle.co/articles/resistance-reinforces-forces-in-israels-southern-settlements
Even accounting for this, neither of the citation in the first sentence about the events of October 10th makes reference to the "Trans-Israel pipeline junction." For this reason, I propose that this term be struck from our article. @ MrBLOCKiron, you are responsible for this terminology, so I invite you to justify it.
What's more, it is not apparent what the 10 October rocket attack in Ashkelon has to do with the Battle of Zikim. There have been numerous such attacks before and after, none of which would make sense to include here, as it's very difficult to make the case that they are directly related to combat 10+ km to the south.
The mention of combat in the Ashkelon Industrial Park is, at least to me, acceptable to retain for now, as this may be a reference to an area within the same general combat zone, but more research is needed. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 23:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
So on October 24 there was a group of Hamas diver who tried to land near Zikim. Reportedly all of them were neutralized. I suggest this incident be introduced into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorgedweller ( talk • contribs) 08:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Zikim hasn't been infiltrated for multiple days now. Personisinsterest ( talk) 01:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Based on the above, I'll change the status of the battle. What reasonable interpretation of policy would force us to retain the absurd claim of an ongoing battle in Zikim? And even if there is such a policy, it's time to ignore it. – St.nerol ( talk) 16:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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There is nothing to indicate that there was a « 90 minute warning » given to civilians as written under « subsequent attacks ». Thanks! 2A02:6680:2108:F397:9595:282F:1DC9:9BDF ( talk) 09:42, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Haskko: You write in your edit summary that Israel only retook Zikim after the battle ended, implying that Hamas seized Zikim, held it for the duration of the battle, and then simply withdrew peacefully after the battle had ended. I don't see how this version of events is supported by the text of the article, nor do I see any mention of this supposed quiet period during which Hamas withdrew. Mikrobølgeovn ( talk) 13:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
It's like saying the yom kippur war was "Initial Egyptian victory". Zikim Was recaptured and Hamas was repelled. That's a full Israeli victory. AstroSaturn ( talk) 01:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Map in article appears to violate WP:IMAGEOR, the illustration/introduction of unpublished ideas/arguments. In particular, the depiction of the Rutenberg power station as having been "recaptured by the IDF" could not be verified, and there was no source provided in the Commons file. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 16:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
"According to an investigation by France 24, the video appeared to show Israeli soldiers killing four Palestinian men who were attempting to surrender, a war crime under international law. France 24 also states that there were no clearly visible weapons in the drone shot of the initial encounter, "though the images are blurry and it is impossible to see whether weapons were on the scene.""
The citation link is https://observers.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231013-israeli-army-tweets-video-that-appears-to-show-soldiers-shooting-palestinians-who-surrendered ExplosivePanda ( talk) 06:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Greetings all, in my quest to improve this Wikipedia article, I've come across a 17-minute video documentary produced by Channel 13 (Israel). It seems to be a retelling of the Ha'aretz piece on the battle at Bahad 4 that has already been very helpful for expanding the page. The video is heavy on drone footage and appears to discuss the combat at various positions on the base, so I'm hopeful that once translated, it will be able to significantly improve our understanding of the tactical battles there.
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 04:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Reenem, wanted to share that I had located the Jerusalem Post article that came up in two of your edits. The original was in a pretty user-unfriendly format, but here's a direct link to Yonah Jeremy Bob's work on the naval response to the events at Zikim October 7th.
Unfortunately, the problem this presents is that it claims that seven ships crossed from Gaza into Israeli waters, a pretty serious contradiction with the articles we're currently using, which has left me unsure of how to proceed.
Source | Total number of boats crossing maritime border | Total number of men on boats | Number of boats destroyed at sea | Number of boats that landed on beach | Total number of men that landed on beach |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Yonah Jeremy Bob (11/7) | 7 | not specified | 3 | 4 | 11 |
Amir Bohbot (10/10) | 4 | 30 | 2 | 2 | not specified |
Amir Bohbot (11/27) | 4 | 35 | 3 | 1 | 11 |
SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 18:53, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Zikim attack. Consensus largely indicates a support for a move backed with citations. A consensus exists that support a move without the year title. Since there is only one other article that mentions a conflict involved in Zikim, a hatnote should be sufficient for people who are looking for the other article. ( non-admin closure) Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 22:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Zikim → 2023 Zikim attack – Per WP:COMMONNAME in RS Ynet, Guardian, AA, Times of Israel, etc, and in from community consensus to name other events on October 7 that involved Hamas militants launching assaults on Israeli targets ( Nahal Oz attack, Nirim attack). Battle is simply inaccurate and should be moved regardless of the target. No RS uses this term and per the events, Hamas launched a barrage of rockets, invaded the base, conducted an attack, then were killed. One-sided offensive. Not really two armies meeting on a battlefield.
Adding the year to differentiate this event from the Zikim Naval Operation, likely to be renamed to 2014 Zikim attack Longhornsg ( talk) 07:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)