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The video game Gratuitous Space Battles challenges the player to design ships and create a fleet, but does not involve the player in the battles themselves, effectively rendering the game a zero-player game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.117.127.143 ( talk) 14:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
There is player intervention in Creatures. For instance, you can slap or caress (tickle) the norns so as to attempt to discourage or encourage whatever behaviour they are currently exhibiting. However it is true that in theory you can leave the computer and the norns will take care of themselves, i.e. eating and reproducing.-- Peter Knutsen 02:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Does the board game Snakes and Ladders count as a zero-player game? It depends only on the roll of the dice- no skill and no decision by the humans is necessary. 88.108.214.251 ( talk) 16:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I came to this page through game theory articles, where it's really inapplicable. Looking at the article now, it looks like complete WP:OR. I'm planning to propose deleting it, but figured I'd solicit defense of the article here before taking that step. Is a "zero-player game" actually a recognized term/idea in some field? CRETOG8( t/ c) 03:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree. The whole concept doesn't make sense. How do you define a game, especially when it has no players?
The first sentence defines a zero player game as a game without any human players (no citation). The second sentence defines it as a game played by artificial intelligence. Whether the player is human or machine, there's still at least one player.
And if the Game of Life has no players, is it really a game? Or is it an algorithm or mathematical "thing"? If you grow a flower or a crystal, its not a game. So when you grow the "Game of Life", is it really a game?
Or if one considers the programmer/user as the player, since they will be the one to pick initial board, then it's not really a zero player game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.120.18 ( talk) 02:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Please do not add unsourced examples - they are numerous and would overwhelm the page. For an instance to be added it requires independent sourcing that, not only is it a zero-player game, but that attests that it is a notable example of the genre. Bridgeplayer ( talk) 18:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. The players aren't just following the instructions from some purely random number source; they are actually physically interacting with dice, so in prosaic reality they do affect the game. 86.131.98.77 ( talk) 13:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Very many games can be considered 'Zero-player games'. However, those added here previously were unsourced and clear WP:OR. Examples should only be added when accompanied by a reliable source that states they are a 'Zero-player game'. Bridgeplayer ( talk) 23:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
My Brute might be a decent example. There is only minimal player input, and battles all take place automatically. SharkD Talk 23:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
This article defines its subject using the term "game" (obviously), but does not define "game". It's telling that "game" isn't even wikilinked here. If it's a concept used in reputable sources, we can report that use, and how they define it if they do. But we shouldn't pretend we have a meaningful and well-defined concept, unless we do. (There's an old thread above, #Delete this page, and there's a recent (now reverted) [1] at Conway's Game of Life, along the same lines.)-- Nø ( talk) 09:19, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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The video game Gratuitous Space Battles challenges the player to design ships and create a fleet, but does not involve the player in the battles themselves, effectively rendering the game a zero-player game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.117.127.143 ( talk) 14:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
There is player intervention in Creatures. For instance, you can slap or caress (tickle) the norns so as to attempt to discourage or encourage whatever behaviour they are currently exhibiting. However it is true that in theory you can leave the computer and the norns will take care of themselves, i.e. eating and reproducing.-- Peter Knutsen 02:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Does the board game Snakes and Ladders count as a zero-player game? It depends only on the roll of the dice- no skill and no decision by the humans is necessary. 88.108.214.251 ( talk) 16:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I came to this page through game theory articles, where it's really inapplicable. Looking at the article now, it looks like complete WP:OR. I'm planning to propose deleting it, but figured I'd solicit defense of the article here before taking that step. Is a "zero-player game" actually a recognized term/idea in some field? CRETOG8( t/ c) 03:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree. The whole concept doesn't make sense. How do you define a game, especially when it has no players?
The first sentence defines a zero player game as a game without any human players (no citation). The second sentence defines it as a game played by artificial intelligence. Whether the player is human or machine, there's still at least one player.
And if the Game of Life has no players, is it really a game? Or is it an algorithm or mathematical "thing"? If you grow a flower or a crystal, its not a game. So when you grow the "Game of Life", is it really a game?
Or if one considers the programmer/user as the player, since they will be the one to pick initial board, then it's not really a zero player game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.120.18 ( talk) 02:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Please do not add unsourced examples - they are numerous and would overwhelm the page. For an instance to be added it requires independent sourcing that, not only is it a zero-player game, but that attests that it is a notable example of the genre. Bridgeplayer ( talk) 18:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. The players aren't just following the instructions from some purely random number source; they are actually physically interacting with dice, so in prosaic reality they do affect the game. 86.131.98.77 ( talk) 13:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Very many games can be considered 'Zero-player games'. However, those added here previously were unsourced and clear WP:OR. Examples should only be added when accompanied by a reliable source that states they are a 'Zero-player game'. Bridgeplayer ( talk) 23:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
My Brute might be a decent example. There is only minimal player input, and battles all take place automatically. SharkD Talk 23:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
This article defines its subject using the term "game" (obviously), but does not define "game". It's telling that "game" isn't even wikilinked here. If it's a concept used in reputable sources, we can report that use, and how they define it if they do. But we shouldn't pretend we have a meaningful and well-defined concept, unless we do. (There's an old thread above, #Delete this page, and there's a recent (now reverted) [1] at Conway's Game of Life, along the same lines.)-- Nø ( talk) 09:19, 23 March 2022 (UTC)