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Several sources were removed from the article ( diff). Listing them below, as they can potentially be used to expand the article. North America 1000 02:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have added my content because its valid to the article. Even though it is unsourced for now I am working on getting the sources properly in. In addition, the sentence about him pushing kids does not belong on the header because it's not true. IsraeliIdan ( talk) 13:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
He has made videos at all stadiums this year. He wasn't kicked out once! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zvikorn ( talk • contribs) 10:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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until dispute can be solved I think the page should be locked. IsraeliIdan ( talk) 10:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Nowhere in the text of source 2 by Benjamin Chase is a stadium ban mentioned at all. The article links to a tweet in which a reply mentions the ban from three stadiums. I don't see how this is a proper source for the text in the lead section and "Criticism" sections of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.147.34 ( talk) 06:38, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I am late to the party, but nonetheless I am here to join the fun. My usual practice is to discuss contested issues prior to making changes and to try and avoid WP:WAR. However, in accordance with WP:BLPREMOVE, "contentious material about living persons . . . that is unsourced or poorly sourced . . . should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Furthermore, such removal falls under WP:3RRBLP (7), which exempts the removal of "contentious material that is libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced according to our biographies of living persons (BLP) policy" from the normal requirement to avoid edit warring. Thus:
I have removed the claim that Hample has been banned from three different stadiums because I could not find the source for these claims. From the discussion on this talk page, it seems that a source once existed. However, the links are dead, and a Google search is unfruitful. Feel free to discuss the issue right here, but please do not revert the deletion without a source. Unless a source is found, I will also have the old revisions deleted WP:RVDL. As a side note, I would like to see the page adhering more to WP:NPOV and WP:DUEWEIGHT. WannaBeEditor ( talk) 23:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Tagging involved editors: @ JimKaatFan:; @ Nemov:; @ CrispyCream27:.
Everyone should have a look at this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/zack_hample/status/1113126695186436096 Zack Hample is clearly campaigning to have this sourced statement removed from his Wikipedia entry. Also of interest, Benjamin Chase clearly states that FoxSports "picked up a piece that I wrote elsewhere. I sourced where I got the information on restrictions in the original article." So Benjamin Chase clearly is not gossiping, he sourced his information on Hample being banned from three stadiums, and the Fox piece, archived or not, is clearly reliable, in my opinion. JimKaatFan ( talk) 14:41, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Zvikorn:; You've been asked numerous times to find consensus for your changes. Instead you continue to make edits. You've been blocked from making edits in the past and this will continue to happen if you ignore direction from editors and do whatever you want. I'll hold off on making further reverts since I've made three now, but your behavior continues to be disruptive. - Nemov ( talk) 14:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Tagging involved editors: @ JimKaatFan:; @ CrispyCream27:; @ Strongsauce:; @ Zvikorn:.
I agree that all of the information in Nemov's version is reliably sourced. I didn't say my anecdotal evidence was relevant, and I didn't include any of that in anything I've written in the article. But everything there now is sourced, and so it's very relevant. JimKaatFan ( talk) 14:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Just because someone has a YouTube page, that doesn't mean there should be a link to their YouTube page in their Wikipedia article. If a reliable secondary source talks about their YouTube page in depth, then of course it's relevant and deserves a line or two (at most). But what's been happening is that someone, either Hample or someone he knows, is changing the infobox to portray Hample's primary claim to fame as a YouTuber. It isn't. He collects baseballs. That's why he's notable. That's it. He's not notable as an author, because he's written three books that almost no one read. He's not notable as a YouTuber, because no sources mention him as a prominent YouTuber and his following is minuscule by YouTube standards. There's no vendetta against Hample at work here. There's a vendetta against unsourced information that is added by the subject of an article (or his fans). JimKaatFan ( talk) 00:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
3O Response: Given that this is a BLP, and at this point the status of any purported bans is questionable at best,
WP:BLP would require that any such statements stay out of the article for the moment. (If the primary publishers of the sources about the items have removed them from their sites for some reason, that leaves using the archive versions highly questionable, as their publishers may no longer believe that information to be accurate). Until the existence of any such bans have been ascertained with more certainty from reliable sources, that should not be presented in the article, especially not as undisputed fact.
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I understand the reasoning for putting back the "3 stadium ban" statement, but I don't see why we can't put a YouTube infobox and label him as a YouTuber aswell. CrispyCream27 (Talk) 17:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@ CrispyCream27: Not much, really. For example, you can write that Hample has upwards of X amount of subscribers and cite to the YouTube page itself. Even though it's a Primary Source, it may be used "to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source." It is obviously better if you can find some secondary sources as well (i.e., interviews where his YouTube activity is discussed) Feel free to ping me once you have added some YouTube stuff and I can look over the sources. I also intend to do some work on the page myself soon when I will have some time. WannaBeEditor ( talk) 00:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Yankees999:I noticed you added the YouTube infobox to this article. This has been discussed in the past and removed since it's been established that Hample is notable for being a ballhawk. He is not notiable for being on YouTube. You can review the discussion above and if you have sources to make it notable then it should be fine. I'm tagging JimKaatFan since he's been watching this discussion. Thanks! - Nemov ( talk) 23:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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This page has received a couple of semi-protection to aid with vandalism, but the page is still continuously receiving bad edits. The page needs stricter edit control to prevent so many poor edits. If this is the wrong kind of protection please advise the correct course of action. Thanks! Nemov ( talk) 04:12, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
This part of the article is very poorly sourced. Links to an article on FOXSPORTS that is now gone, retrieving the web archive does mention that he was banned from 3 stadiums but no additional information is provided.
On twitter: Both the author of the article and the person who this bio is written about denies the claim and also denies adding that to the article. See Twitter thread here: https://twitter.com/zack_hample/status/1113126695186436096?lang=en
There is an editor on here who seems to keep reverting this change back, I am hoping he was reverting in good faith. Looking at the article cited and the fact that the author of the article denies writing it, the person this wiki page is about (Zack Hample) denies it, and the fact I cannot find other sources of this information leads me to believe that the statement about him being banned from 3 stadiums is not true at all. Strongsauce ( talk)
Edit: Apologies that I missed the above discussion about this. First I was mistaken that the article's author denies writing it. He did indeed write it in another article that the Fox Sports one sourced. The article is here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190422193747/http://calltothepen.com/2017/06/21/mlb-ball-hawk-zack-hample-gets-roasted-on-twitter-after-complaining-about-clayton-kershaw/
Reading this article, it just claims that he has been banned from 3 stadiums. No mention of which stadiums, no mention of where, how, or anything other than a statement. How can this be claimed as a legitimate source with no other sites ever corroborating this?
To nemov and his camp and to my, why don't' we compromise, I don't want to to remove anything out of your article. I don't care if you keep the whole criticize section in. All I want to add is just add that he denies being banned. Idan ( talk) 05:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Daniel Case raises a good point about the baseball collection section. Much of it is poorly sourced or not sourced at all. Hample's website isn't a reliable source. The entire section could be edited down to a couple of paragraphs. If no once can find reliable sources for that section I recommend removing most of it. - Nemov ( talk) 21:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
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I don't have the time at the moment, but this article should include a information about the documentary about Hample [1]. Nemov ( talk) 13:43, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
@ JimKaatFan continues to change the section title [5] that's not in line with WP:BLP/ WP:CRITS policies. Please find consensus before changing it again. Thanks Nemov ( talk) 14:37, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
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Several sources were removed from the article ( diff). Listing them below, as they can potentially be used to expand the article. North America 1000 02:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have added my content because its valid to the article. Even though it is unsourced for now I am working on getting the sources properly in. In addition, the sentence about him pushing kids does not belong on the header because it's not true. IsraeliIdan ( talk) 13:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
He has made videos at all stadiums this year. He wasn't kicked out once! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zvikorn ( talk • contribs) 10:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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until dispute can be solved I think the page should be locked. IsraeliIdan ( talk) 10:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Nowhere in the text of source 2 by Benjamin Chase is a stadium ban mentioned at all. The article links to a tweet in which a reply mentions the ban from three stadiums. I don't see how this is a proper source for the text in the lead section and "Criticism" sections of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.147.34 ( talk) 06:38, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I am late to the party, but nonetheless I am here to join the fun. My usual practice is to discuss contested issues prior to making changes and to try and avoid WP:WAR. However, in accordance with WP:BLPREMOVE, "contentious material about living persons . . . that is unsourced or poorly sourced . . . should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Furthermore, such removal falls under WP:3RRBLP (7), which exempts the removal of "contentious material that is libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced according to our biographies of living persons (BLP) policy" from the normal requirement to avoid edit warring. Thus:
I have removed the claim that Hample has been banned from three different stadiums because I could not find the source for these claims. From the discussion on this talk page, it seems that a source once existed. However, the links are dead, and a Google search is unfruitful. Feel free to discuss the issue right here, but please do not revert the deletion without a source. Unless a source is found, I will also have the old revisions deleted WP:RVDL. As a side note, I would like to see the page adhering more to WP:NPOV and WP:DUEWEIGHT. WannaBeEditor ( talk) 23:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Tagging involved editors: @ JimKaatFan:; @ Nemov:; @ CrispyCream27:.
Everyone should have a look at this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/zack_hample/status/1113126695186436096 Zack Hample is clearly campaigning to have this sourced statement removed from his Wikipedia entry. Also of interest, Benjamin Chase clearly states that FoxSports "picked up a piece that I wrote elsewhere. I sourced where I got the information on restrictions in the original article." So Benjamin Chase clearly is not gossiping, he sourced his information on Hample being banned from three stadiums, and the Fox piece, archived or not, is clearly reliable, in my opinion. JimKaatFan ( talk) 14:41, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Zvikorn:; You've been asked numerous times to find consensus for your changes. Instead you continue to make edits. You've been blocked from making edits in the past and this will continue to happen if you ignore direction from editors and do whatever you want. I'll hold off on making further reverts since I've made three now, but your behavior continues to be disruptive. - Nemov ( talk) 14:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Tagging involved editors: @ JimKaatFan:; @ CrispyCream27:; @ Strongsauce:; @ Zvikorn:.
I agree that all of the information in Nemov's version is reliably sourced. I didn't say my anecdotal evidence was relevant, and I didn't include any of that in anything I've written in the article. But everything there now is sourced, and so it's very relevant. JimKaatFan ( talk) 14:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Just because someone has a YouTube page, that doesn't mean there should be a link to their YouTube page in their Wikipedia article. If a reliable secondary source talks about their YouTube page in depth, then of course it's relevant and deserves a line or two (at most). But what's been happening is that someone, either Hample or someone he knows, is changing the infobox to portray Hample's primary claim to fame as a YouTuber. It isn't. He collects baseballs. That's why he's notable. That's it. He's not notable as an author, because he's written three books that almost no one read. He's not notable as a YouTuber, because no sources mention him as a prominent YouTuber and his following is minuscule by YouTube standards. There's no vendetta against Hample at work here. There's a vendetta against unsourced information that is added by the subject of an article (or his fans). JimKaatFan ( talk) 00:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
3O Response: Given that this is a BLP, and at this point the status of any purported bans is questionable at best,
WP:BLP would require that any such statements stay out of the article for the moment. (If the primary publishers of the sources about the items have removed them from their sites for some reason, that leaves using the archive versions highly questionable, as their publishers may no longer believe that information to be accurate). Until the existence of any such bans have been ascertained with more certainty from reliable sources, that should not be presented in the article, especially not as undisputed fact.
Seraphimblade
Talk to me
21:33, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
I understand the reasoning for putting back the "3 stadium ban" statement, but I don't see why we can't put a YouTube infobox and label him as a YouTuber aswell. CrispyCream27 (Talk) 17:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@ CrispyCream27: Not much, really. For example, you can write that Hample has upwards of X amount of subscribers and cite to the YouTube page itself. Even though it's a Primary Source, it may be used "to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source." It is obviously better if you can find some secondary sources as well (i.e., interviews where his YouTube activity is discussed) Feel free to ping me once you have added some YouTube stuff and I can look over the sources. I also intend to do some work on the page myself soon when I will have some time. WannaBeEditor ( talk) 00:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Yankees999:I noticed you added the YouTube infobox to this article. This has been discussed in the past and removed since it's been established that Hample is notable for being a ballhawk. He is not notiable for being on YouTube. You can review the discussion above and if you have sources to make it notable then it should be fine. I'm tagging JimKaatFan since he's been watching this discussion. Thanks! - Nemov ( talk) 23:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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This page has received a couple of semi-protection to aid with vandalism, but the page is still continuously receiving bad edits. The page needs stricter edit control to prevent so many poor edits. If this is the wrong kind of protection please advise the correct course of action. Thanks! Nemov ( talk) 04:12, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
This part of the article is very poorly sourced. Links to an article on FOXSPORTS that is now gone, retrieving the web archive does mention that he was banned from 3 stadiums but no additional information is provided.
On twitter: Both the author of the article and the person who this bio is written about denies the claim and also denies adding that to the article. See Twitter thread here: https://twitter.com/zack_hample/status/1113126695186436096?lang=en
There is an editor on here who seems to keep reverting this change back, I am hoping he was reverting in good faith. Looking at the article cited and the fact that the author of the article denies writing it, the person this wiki page is about (Zack Hample) denies it, and the fact I cannot find other sources of this information leads me to believe that the statement about him being banned from 3 stadiums is not true at all. Strongsauce ( talk)
Edit: Apologies that I missed the above discussion about this. First I was mistaken that the article's author denies writing it. He did indeed write it in another article that the Fox Sports one sourced. The article is here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190422193747/http://calltothepen.com/2017/06/21/mlb-ball-hawk-zack-hample-gets-roasted-on-twitter-after-complaining-about-clayton-kershaw/
Reading this article, it just claims that he has been banned from 3 stadiums. No mention of which stadiums, no mention of where, how, or anything other than a statement. How can this be claimed as a legitimate source with no other sites ever corroborating this?
To nemov and his camp and to my, why don't' we compromise, I don't want to to remove anything out of your article. I don't care if you keep the whole criticize section in. All I want to add is just add that he denies being banned. Idan ( talk) 05:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Daniel Case raises a good point about the baseball collection section. Much of it is poorly sourced or not sourced at all. Hample's website isn't a reliable source. The entire section could be edited down to a couple of paragraphs. If no once can find reliable sources for that section I recommend removing most of it. - Nemov ( talk) 21:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
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I don't have the time at the moment, but this article should include a information about the documentary about Hample [1]. Nemov ( talk) 13:43, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
@ JimKaatFan continues to change the section title [5] that's not in line with WP:BLP/ WP:CRITS policies. Please find consensus before changing it again. Thanks Nemov ( talk) 14:37, 3 September 2023 (UTC)