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Those are official media, direct mouthpieces of the league. Per
WP:NCST, "In cases where there is some ambiguity as to the official spelling of a club's name in English, the name most commonly used by the English-language media should be used." So examples from the broader media should be factored in.
Radagast (
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21:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)reply
theglobeandmail.com: appears to be a subscription site, but the Google searches hit on "York 9" but not "York9"
It appears to me that when the "FC" is used, it's always "York 9 FC", and only thescore.com uses the compressed format. This is not an exhaustive search.
Walter Görlitz (
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22:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC)reply
That's not CBC, it's Canadian Press via CBC. And National Post used "York 9" multiple times as well. I'm also disappointed you made a decision to create an entire paragraph about this mis-spelling.
The paragraph I wrote has nothing to do with the spacing of York9 FC vs York 9 FC (only about their firsts and their sourced nickname Y9, you'll notice I still used York 9 FC). As for this issue, the
search engine test isn't always the best thing to judge something like this; obviously Google will suggest "York 9", it's Google, in English there would be a space, but that's not the case in most of the common reliable sources here. (By the way, Google shows a lot of blogs in those hits). Vaselineeeeeeee★★★15:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
It's not a search engine search. It's a search of news sources over the past week. Several sources use both terms. One of those news hits is a blog that uses both terms. When I revisited the results we were at 22 to 14. A 23rd was actually a hit on "Markas Besar PBB, New York (9/5/2019)".
Walter Görlitz (
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15:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Have you spent much time on
WP:RSN? Many sources are not considered reliable for some things and not others. We would never use a blog to support a transfer or something similar, but they are an excellent reflection of common usage.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
19:18, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
It seems to me that the "York9" style has become more common over time. Perhaps this trend will continue and we can resolve this name issue with a formal move discussion once things are more stable in the future.
BLAIXX17:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)reply
York9 appears to be the more common spelling in every medium. I would support changing the infobox header (|clubname=) to York9.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs suggests using the clubs common short name in this space, not the official full name, so I think York9 would fit that description.
TrailBlzr (
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16:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
It's somewhat difficult to find a source that refers to the team as "York 9" with the space since the season began. Most of the sources calling the team "York 9" are about the launch of the club and the league, before club branding was properly established. Since the club branded itself as "York9" without the space, virtually all media call the team "York9"...
CBC,
Times Colonist,
Global News,
YorkRegion.com,
Calgary Sun. Not to mention the CPL website:
standings,
schedule,
clubs.
TrailBlzr (
talk)
17:19, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
12 articles in the York 9 query have nothing to do with the subject of this article as they are picking up things like New York 9 and other false positives. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★17:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
@
UmpireRay: Perhaps it is because that is an
old source as the club even refers to themselves as York 9 FC there whereas now it is always York9 FC. I think a newer source would be in order to say it is still York 9 Football Club. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★00:44, 28 May 2019 (UTC)reply
In this case, the long name is the full official name of the club and the official announcement of the club is the best/only source for that. While that name is now stylized in the short form of "York9 FC", I haven't seen any reliable sources to show that the full official name has been changed to "York9 Football Club". Until then, I think it should stay the way it is.
UmpireRay (
talk)
22:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)reply
I contacted the club and got a response from Ryan Brennan that the official name of the club is in fact York 9 Football Club, so I suppose the original media release stands. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★02:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Do we have a consensus then? York9 looks cleaner than York9 FC on the player pages and these days all I see is "York9." Next home game I'm going to speak to their people and ask them about wording. I know the likes of Valour and Forge usually include the FC in their name but it seems York9 doesn't really.
Vince193 (
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17:47, 18 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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York 9 FC → York9 FC – The club is referred to as York9 FC (without the space) by virtually all reliable news sources, the league's own website, and all of the club's social media accounts. In accordance with
WP:COMMONNAME, the page name should be moved to reflect this.
TrailBlzr (
talk)
18:53, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. It is clear now that at least a slight majority of news sources are using the "York9 FC" spelling. Combined with the fact that the league and team refer to itself this way makes this an obvious move. "York9" (without the FC) should also be allowed in prose, once the topic is established.
BLAIXX12:21, 23 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Support The league and team seem to use the term and their style guide seems to have filtered down to the press to become the common name.
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14:46, 23 May 2019 (UTC)reply
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Roster
Hi - just wanted to clarify the roster edit on Y9. I'm fine with leaving the roster for 2020, and to not update it until later. However, why did you only remove Hernandez? The previous player added (Ulbricht) was also just signed, and is not on the team roster on the York9 website either. Every time a new CPL player gets signed, someone adds him to the rosters on wiki well before the official website does, and it's never been a problem until now. Thanks.
Cristane (
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21:34, 20 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Those are official media, direct mouthpieces of the league. Per
WP:NCST, "In cases where there is some ambiguity as to the official spelling of a club's name in English, the name most commonly used by the English-language media should be used." So examples from the broader media should be factored in.
Radagast (
talk)
21:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)reply
theglobeandmail.com: appears to be a subscription site, but the Google searches hit on "York 9" but not "York9"
It appears to me that when the "FC" is used, it's always "York 9 FC", and only thescore.com uses the compressed format. This is not an exhaustive search.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
22:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC)reply
That's not CBC, it's Canadian Press via CBC. And National Post used "York 9" multiple times as well. I'm also disappointed you made a decision to create an entire paragraph about this mis-spelling.
The paragraph I wrote has nothing to do with the spacing of York9 FC vs York 9 FC (only about their firsts and their sourced nickname Y9, you'll notice I still used York 9 FC). As for this issue, the
search engine test isn't always the best thing to judge something like this; obviously Google will suggest "York 9", it's Google, in English there would be a space, but that's not the case in most of the common reliable sources here. (By the way, Google shows a lot of blogs in those hits). Vaselineeeeeeee★★★15:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
It's not a search engine search. It's a search of news sources over the past week. Several sources use both terms. One of those news hits is a blog that uses both terms. When I revisited the results we were at 22 to 14. A 23rd was actually a hit on "Markas Besar PBB, New York (9/5/2019)".
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
15:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Have you spent much time on
WP:RSN? Many sources are not considered reliable for some things and not others. We would never use a blog to support a transfer or something similar, but they are an excellent reflection of common usage.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
19:18, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
It seems to me that the "York9" style has become more common over time. Perhaps this trend will continue and we can resolve this name issue with a formal move discussion once things are more stable in the future.
BLAIXX17:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)reply
York9 appears to be the more common spelling in every medium. I would support changing the infobox header (|clubname=) to York9.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs suggests using the clubs common short name in this space, not the official full name, so I think York9 would fit that description.
TrailBlzr (
talk)
16:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
It's somewhat difficult to find a source that refers to the team as "York 9" with the space since the season began. Most of the sources calling the team "York 9" are about the launch of the club and the league, before club branding was properly established. Since the club branded itself as "York9" without the space, virtually all media call the team "York9"...
CBC,
Times Colonist,
Global News,
YorkRegion.com,
Calgary Sun. Not to mention the CPL website:
standings,
schedule,
clubs.
TrailBlzr (
talk)
17:19, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
12 articles in the York 9 query have nothing to do with the subject of this article as they are picking up things like New York 9 and other false positives. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★17:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
@
UmpireRay: Perhaps it is because that is an
old source as the club even refers to themselves as York 9 FC there whereas now it is always York9 FC. I think a newer source would be in order to say it is still York 9 Football Club. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★00:44, 28 May 2019 (UTC)reply
In this case, the long name is the full official name of the club and the official announcement of the club is the best/only source for that. While that name is now stylized in the short form of "York9 FC", I haven't seen any reliable sources to show that the full official name has been changed to "York9 Football Club". Until then, I think it should stay the way it is.
UmpireRay (
talk)
22:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)reply
I contacted the club and got a response from Ryan Brennan that the official name of the club is in fact York 9 Football Club, so I suppose the original media release stands. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★02:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Do we have a consensus then? York9 looks cleaner than York9 FC on the player pages and these days all I see is "York9." Next home game I'm going to speak to their people and ask them about wording. I know the likes of Valour and Forge usually include the FC in their name but it seems York9 doesn't really.
Vince193 (
talk)
17:47, 18 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Requested move 22 May 2019
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
York 9 FC → York9 FC – The club is referred to as York9 FC (without the space) by virtually all reliable news sources, the league's own website, and all of the club's social media accounts. In accordance with
WP:COMMONNAME, the page name should be moved to reflect this.
TrailBlzr (
talk)
18:53, 22 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. It is clear now that at least a slight majority of news sources are using the "York9 FC" spelling. Combined with the fact that the league and team refer to itself this way makes this an obvious move. "York9" (without the FC) should also be allowed in prose, once the topic is established.
BLAIXX12:21, 23 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Support The league and team seem to use the term and their style guide seems to have filtered down to the press to become the common name.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
14:46, 23 May 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Roster
Hi - just wanted to clarify the roster edit on Y9. I'm fine with leaving the roster for 2020, and to not update it until later. However, why did you only remove Hernandez? The previous player added (Ulbricht) was also just signed, and is not on the team roster on the York9 website either. Every time a new CPL player gets signed, someone adds him to the rosters on wiki well before the official website does, and it's never been a problem until now. Thanks.
Cristane (
talk)
21:34, 20 October 2020 (UTC)reply