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The result of the move request was: Not moved.
EdJohnston (
talk) 01:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Unnecessary
disambiguation, too much
WP:PRECISION,
Concision,
Natural,
recognizable (to those familiar with the topic) and
WP:COMMONNAME (not to mention
common sense) all support the current title. And, of course, this topic is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (the only topic) for this title. Ignore all that to give it a longer title in the name of "consistency"? Please, no. --
B2
C 23:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)reply
WP:USPLACE applies to settlements (cities, towns, villages); counties are not settlements. USPLACE has no application here. --
B2
C 01:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
No, USPLACE applies to places, hence the name. It specifically includes a guideline for counties.
╠╣uw[
talk 22:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose It's true that "Countyname, Statename" is the usual way to name an American county, but that format doesn't really make sense in this case, because Yohogania County is a "lost" county. The way I read the article, it describes a no-longer-existing name for an area that that included parts of both Virginia and Pennsylvania. The two states had conflicting claims to the area from 1776 to 1779; the peaceful resolution of those claims abolished the never-officially-recognized Yohogania County. So "Yohogania County, Virginia" would be a misnomer; the "county" actually lay within two states. That is the issue here; it has nothing to do with USPLACE. --
MelanieN (
talk) 04:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose per B2C and MelanieN (wow!). See also
Talk:Henricus#Requested move, where USPLACE wasn't applied to colonial settlements with unambiguous names. --
BDD (
talk) 16:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose: Per B2C, MelanieN, and BDD. -
Neutralhomer •
Talk • 18:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. This is an unusual county, so I can certainly understand the opposing points. However, it's not unique: Wikipedia has articles on many other
former counties in the United States, a fair number of which encompassed territory now in different or multiple states. Practically all of them are titled to specify the body under which the county was organized. For consistency both within the class as well as with USPLACE (which applies to US counties), it seems preferable to specify the state: Yohogania County, Virginia.
╠╣uw[
talk 22:36, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
However, most of those articles require disambiguation anyway. I don't think an extinct county would ever be primary topic over an extant one. And others, like
Nansemond County, Virginia, only ever existed in a modern state. --
BDD (
talk) 22:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
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The result of the move request was: Not moved.
EdJohnston (
talk) 01:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Unnecessary
disambiguation, too much
WP:PRECISION,
Concision,
Natural,
recognizable (to those familiar with the topic) and
WP:COMMONNAME (not to mention
common sense) all support the current title. And, of course, this topic is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (the only topic) for this title. Ignore all that to give it a longer title in the name of "consistency"? Please, no. --
B2
C 23:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)reply
WP:USPLACE applies to settlements (cities, towns, villages); counties are not settlements. USPLACE has no application here. --
B2
C 01:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
No, USPLACE applies to places, hence the name. It specifically includes a guideline for counties.
╠╣uw[
talk 22:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose It's true that "Countyname, Statename" is the usual way to name an American county, but that format doesn't really make sense in this case, because Yohogania County is a "lost" county. The way I read the article, it describes a no-longer-existing name for an area that that included parts of both Virginia and Pennsylvania. The two states had conflicting claims to the area from 1776 to 1779; the peaceful resolution of those claims abolished the never-officially-recognized Yohogania County. So "Yohogania County, Virginia" would be a misnomer; the "county" actually lay within two states. That is the issue here; it has nothing to do with USPLACE. --
MelanieN (
talk) 04:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose per B2C and MelanieN (wow!). See also
Talk:Henricus#Requested move, where USPLACE wasn't applied to colonial settlements with unambiguous names. --
BDD (
talk) 16:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose: Per B2C, MelanieN, and BDD. -
Neutralhomer •
Talk • 18:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. This is an unusual county, so I can certainly understand the opposing points. However, it's not unique: Wikipedia has articles on many other
former counties in the United States, a fair number of which encompassed territory now in different or multiple states. Practically all of them are titled to specify the body under which the county was organized. For consistency both within the class as well as with USPLACE (which applies to US counties), it seems preferable to specify the state: Yohogania County, Virginia.
╠╣uw[
talk 22:36, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
However, most of those articles require disambiguation anyway. I don't think an extinct county would ever be primary topic over an extant one. And others, like
Nansemond County, Virginia, only ever existed in a modern state. --
BDD (
talk) 22:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)reply
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