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needs: consistent romanization, other proofreading, references. -- Visviva 05:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
the link to King Seongjong seems to have been incorrectly pointing to an earlier king of the same name from the kingdom of Goryeo. i have re-linked it to Seongjong of Joseon.
also, a statement about the recent movie King and the Clown was added.
Reading the article on "Yeonsangun of Joseon" seems like some of its content should have been referenced with (concerning) the previous king to Yeonsangun (Seongjong), especially regarding his second wife "Lady Yun", of whom was the mother of Yeonsangun. Some of the events shown in Yeonsangun's article occurred during the previous King's rule, and seemingly attributes some of the nastier aspects of Seongjong's rule to Yeonsangun.
Though Seongjong was not near (according to history) the tyrannical ruler Yeonsangun was, leaving out what occurred during Seongjong's reign and placing in his successor's makes it seem out of place.
Comments, changes?
One major problem with this article about Yeonsangun is that it lacks objectivity, neutrality, and impartiality. This is due to the following three factors: (1) Use of subjective expressions in describing Yeonsangun and his reign, (2) Exclusion of the historical, political, and ideological conflicts of his time, and (3) Lack of an objective evaluation of the king.
First, subjective expressions were used in this article to describe Yeonsangun, his decisions and actions, and some historical events. Such words as "cruel", "licentious", "massive", "despotic", and "worst" reflect the prejudice against Yeonsangun. Verbs like "seized", "appropriated", "shocked", "killed", and "insulted" evoke emotions and exaggerate the significance of certain events explained in the article. This kind of rhetoric cannot be measured objectively, and they only appeal to emotions and feelings rather than reason and logic.
Second, when addressing the two literati purges, this article neglects to examine the political and ideological conflicts preceding the purges. By focusing only on the roles of the individual figures in Yeonsangun’s personal life, the article ascribes the political strife between Yeonsangun and a group of Neo-Confucian faction entirely to personal matters and relationships. An objective analysis of the purges is not achieved in the article.
Third, this article fails to find the reasons for the decisions Yeonsangun made and the factors contributing to his actions. The article overly stresses the outcome of such decisions and actions, and implies disapproval of Yeonsangun. An objective assessment of the king is not achieved in the article.
In conclusion, emotion-evoking expressions, exclusion of the long-standing political and ideological strife during the reign of Yeonsangun, implied prejudice against the king, and some statements made without convincing evidence compromise the objectivity, neutrality, and impartiality of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ALOGIN ( talk • contribs)
Hiya, I am not an active editor in this topic, but am just stopping by as a wandering admin. I see that this article has been tagged as disputed for over a year, but there doesn't seem to be active discussion about the dispute. I recommend either moving forward on resolving the dispute, deleting the disputed information, or removing the tag. -- El on ka 23:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm doing tag cleanup lately. It seems to me that this article is fine, and my suspicion is that the issues that prompted the tag have been fixed. I'm removing it on those terms - of course it can be returned if there's a specific reason. Many tags are left because people think they are "untouchable things". Jjdon ( talk) 16:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I see that Yeonsangun's memorial tablet was not worshipped in the Jongmyo ancestral shrine with one of the queen. Who was the queen? Was she Yeonsangun's wife? Thanks 02Wahyudi ( talk) 01:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru ( talk) 15:42, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
– The -gun ( 군, 君) and -daegun ( 대군, 大君), literally "Prince" (but sometimes it is used as officers name appointed by the king), is one of royal titles in East Asia, like the -ongju ( 옹주, 翁主; e.g. Princess Deokhye Deokhyeongju), literally "Princess" as daughter of royal concubine. The case of Yeonsan and Gwanghae (Yeonsangun and Gwanghaegun is names when they was a prince) is although the king who did not get a posthumous name unlike other kings of Joseon, because they was discarded from king by lieges (for Gwanghae, see the Injo coup). For why not add the "of Joseon", see the Talk:Sejong the Great#Requested move. Thanks. Garam ( talk) 13:00, 19 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 19:41, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Can this be updated with media info on 2029's The Crowned Clown? It's a new rendition of The King and The Clown. I happened upon this as I was trying to get a better understanding of the real history that inspired the series. 2600:1700:9599:630:646F:D793:4372:BF2F ( talk) 06:06, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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needs: consistent romanization, other proofreading, references. -- Visviva 05:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
the link to King Seongjong seems to have been incorrectly pointing to an earlier king of the same name from the kingdom of Goryeo. i have re-linked it to Seongjong of Joseon.
also, a statement about the recent movie King and the Clown was added.
Reading the article on "Yeonsangun of Joseon" seems like some of its content should have been referenced with (concerning) the previous king to Yeonsangun (Seongjong), especially regarding his second wife "Lady Yun", of whom was the mother of Yeonsangun. Some of the events shown in Yeonsangun's article occurred during the previous King's rule, and seemingly attributes some of the nastier aspects of Seongjong's rule to Yeonsangun.
Though Seongjong was not near (according to history) the tyrannical ruler Yeonsangun was, leaving out what occurred during Seongjong's reign and placing in his successor's makes it seem out of place.
Comments, changes?
One major problem with this article about Yeonsangun is that it lacks objectivity, neutrality, and impartiality. This is due to the following three factors: (1) Use of subjective expressions in describing Yeonsangun and his reign, (2) Exclusion of the historical, political, and ideological conflicts of his time, and (3) Lack of an objective evaluation of the king.
First, subjective expressions were used in this article to describe Yeonsangun, his decisions and actions, and some historical events. Such words as "cruel", "licentious", "massive", "despotic", and "worst" reflect the prejudice against Yeonsangun. Verbs like "seized", "appropriated", "shocked", "killed", and "insulted" evoke emotions and exaggerate the significance of certain events explained in the article. This kind of rhetoric cannot be measured objectively, and they only appeal to emotions and feelings rather than reason and logic.
Second, when addressing the two literati purges, this article neglects to examine the political and ideological conflicts preceding the purges. By focusing only on the roles of the individual figures in Yeonsangun’s personal life, the article ascribes the political strife between Yeonsangun and a group of Neo-Confucian faction entirely to personal matters and relationships. An objective analysis of the purges is not achieved in the article.
Third, this article fails to find the reasons for the decisions Yeonsangun made and the factors contributing to his actions. The article overly stresses the outcome of such decisions and actions, and implies disapproval of Yeonsangun. An objective assessment of the king is not achieved in the article.
In conclusion, emotion-evoking expressions, exclusion of the long-standing political and ideological strife during the reign of Yeonsangun, implied prejudice against the king, and some statements made without convincing evidence compromise the objectivity, neutrality, and impartiality of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ALOGIN ( talk • contribs)
Hiya, I am not an active editor in this topic, but am just stopping by as a wandering admin. I see that this article has been tagged as disputed for over a year, but there doesn't seem to be active discussion about the dispute. I recommend either moving forward on resolving the dispute, deleting the disputed information, or removing the tag. -- El on ka 23:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm doing tag cleanup lately. It seems to me that this article is fine, and my suspicion is that the issues that prompted the tag have been fixed. I'm removing it on those terms - of course it can be returned if there's a specific reason. Many tags are left because people think they are "untouchable things". Jjdon ( talk) 16:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I see that Yeonsangun's memorial tablet was not worshipped in the Jongmyo ancestral shrine with one of the queen. Who was the queen? Was she Yeonsangun's wife? Thanks 02Wahyudi ( talk) 01:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru ( talk) 15:42, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
– The -gun ( 군, 君) and -daegun ( 대군, 大君), literally "Prince" (but sometimes it is used as officers name appointed by the king), is one of royal titles in East Asia, like the -ongju ( 옹주, 翁主; e.g. Princess Deokhye Deokhyeongju), literally "Princess" as daughter of royal concubine. The case of Yeonsan and Gwanghae (Yeonsangun and Gwanghaegun is names when they was a prince) is although the king who did not get a posthumous name unlike other kings of Joseon, because they was discarded from king by lieges (for Gwanghae, see the Injo coup). For why not add the "of Joseon", see the Talk:Sejong the Great#Requested move. Thanks. Garam ( talk) 13:00, 19 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 19:41, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Can this be updated with media info on 2029's The Crowned Clown? It's a new rendition of The King and The Clown. I happened upon this as I was trying to get a better understanding of the real history that inspired the series. 2600:1700:9599:630:646F:D793:4372:BF2F ( talk) 06:06, 29 August 2022 (UTC)