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w.r.t to my last edit, i think it maintains NPOV because it is a 'double edged sword' as far as any side to the conflict is concerned (i.e. it can be used to bolster both palestinian claims and jewish claims). the hebrew wikipedia sources this to shofar, which is just about as non-reliable as it gets (imho). but see http://shofarnews.co.il/site/ARDetile.asp?id=8292&Catogory=3&SubID=6859, it includes a photo of a Hanukia from the village. MiS-Saath ( talk) 16:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
@ Huldra, Zero0000, and Al Ameer son: hi. Yatta is (was?) quite famous for its traditional stone houses, which had become rather unique after traditional Palestinian stone architecture has been largely demolished to make place for larger, concrete-built modern houses. Are they still there? Is there any museum waiting to be (re)opened? I mean two-storey houses, with stables downstairs and living quarters upstairs, so more than just the more widespread single-storey stone-domed houses. A quick Google search doesn't bring much up: Welcome to Palestine: Yatta, and Architecture and Ways of Living: Traditional and Modern Palestinian Villages and Cities, a 2019 PhD thesis, don't seem to touch on the topic. Arminden ( talk) 02:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
I remember how I came across it. It's about the Christmas story, Luke 2:7: "and [Mary] gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them." It is said that a centuries-old arrangement in Palestinian architecture explains the biblical passage: houses with living accommodation upstairs, and animals stabled downstairs. Such houses can be a major attraction for pilgrims and other tourists (yes, Covid is not forever), and knowing that there are a number of conservation initiatives in Palestine, some with European financial support, I was wondering if something in the way of a traditional architecture museum has been prepared in Yatta, awaiting better days. At least one or two such houses being saved from demolition. There are conservation projects elsewhere (Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Beit Jala, Hebron), but Yatta was the place known for such buildings. They are (were?) probably more rural than what one finds in the other, bigger towns. I last heard of them some 25 years ago, or more, it came back to me now and that's why I'm asking. Who knows, for once Wiki might help putting smth. in motion in the real world.
Here is an illustration from Picturesque Palestine, Vol. 1, p. 129. Arminden ( talk) 07:41, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
What happened on December 12, 1938 in Yatta? There are lots and lots of pictures on commons (from the Matson collection) from that day. Apparently General O'Connor and loads of British soldiers were there, so was Fakhri al-Nashashibi (who has an article on he.wp, alas, none on en.wp), Anybody knows what went on? With such a load of people; it should have been noticed, somewhere? Huldra ( talk) 22:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
"Seeking to gain influence, Nashashibi first held two large public meetings of his supporters. The first, held in his home in the presence of the press, was attended by notables from forty-five villages in the area of Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Hebron. The second, held in the village of Yatta, was attended by 3,000 people from the Mt. Hebron region. The sheikh of sheikhs of Mt. Hebron, Shehadah ‘Arram, stated in his speech to the local residents and their guests (including Gen. Richard O’Connor, commander of the 7th Division and military governor of Jerusalem) that they represented 60,000 people of Mt. Hebron, all of whom rejected the rebels’ actions. He thanked the army for acting against the rebellion and promised cooperation in the ongoing struggle."The source places this in late 1938 without a precise date, but it is hard to imagine there was more than one such large event within a short period. Zero talk 02:25, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Well, something seems not right about those photos: the way the Matson collection (that belonged to the American Colony-people) labeled it is most unusual ("Peasant reading propagand(a) sheet prepared by Fakhri Nashashibi"). The American Colony people were generally close to the British Authorities in the Mandate era; they often photographed "major " events, but I have never seen them label anything as "propaganda" outside this meeting. It frankly seems as if the locals were lured there on false premises, then used in a propaganda war. About the Dura mukhtar's "delicate" situation; recall what the British did in Halhul just a few months before. Local Arab lives were not worth much to the British; as I am sure they were all aware, Huldra ( talk) 21:41, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
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w.r.t to my last edit, i think it maintains NPOV because it is a 'double edged sword' as far as any side to the conflict is concerned (i.e. it can be used to bolster both palestinian claims and jewish claims). the hebrew wikipedia sources this to shofar, which is just about as non-reliable as it gets (imho). but see http://shofarnews.co.il/site/ARDetile.asp?id=8292&Catogory=3&SubID=6859, it includes a photo of a Hanukia from the village. MiS-Saath ( talk) 16:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
@ Huldra, Zero0000, and Al Ameer son: hi. Yatta is (was?) quite famous for its traditional stone houses, which had become rather unique after traditional Palestinian stone architecture has been largely demolished to make place for larger, concrete-built modern houses. Are they still there? Is there any museum waiting to be (re)opened? I mean two-storey houses, with stables downstairs and living quarters upstairs, so more than just the more widespread single-storey stone-domed houses. A quick Google search doesn't bring much up: Welcome to Palestine: Yatta, and Architecture and Ways of Living: Traditional and Modern Palestinian Villages and Cities, a 2019 PhD thesis, don't seem to touch on the topic. Arminden ( talk) 02:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
I remember how I came across it. It's about the Christmas story, Luke 2:7: "and [Mary] gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them." It is said that a centuries-old arrangement in Palestinian architecture explains the biblical passage: houses with living accommodation upstairs, and animals stabled downstairs. Such houses can be a major attraction for pilgrims and other tourists (yes, Covid is not forever), and knowing that there are a number of conservation initiatives in Palestine, some with European financial support, I was wondering if something in the way of a traditional architecture museum has been prepared in Yatta, awaiting better days. At least one or two such houses being saved from demolition. There are conservation projects elsewhere (Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Beit Jala, Hebron), but Yatta was the place known for such buildings. They are (were?) probably more rural than what one finds in the other, bigger towns. I last heard of them some 25 years ago, or more, it came back to me now and that's why I'm asking. Who knows, for once Wiki might help putting smth. in motion in the real world.
Here is an illustration from Picturesque Palestine, Vol. 1, p. 129. Arminden ( talk) 07:41, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
What happened on December 12, 1938 in Yatta? There are lots and lots of pictures on commons (from the Matson collection) from that day. Apparently General O'Connor and loads of British soldiers were there, so was Fakhri al-Nashashibi (who has an article on he.wp, alas, none on en.wp), Anybody knows what went on? With such a load of people; it should have been noticed, somewhere? Huldra ( talk) 22:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
"Seeking to gain influence, Nashashibi first held two large public meetings of his supporters. The first, held in his home in the presence of the press, was attended by notables from forty-five villages in the area of Jerusalem, Ramallah, and Hebron. The second, held in the village of Yatta, was attended by 3,000 people from the Mt. Hebron region. The sheikh of sheikhs of Mt. Hebron, Shehadah ‘Arram, stated in his speech to the local residents and their guests (including Gen. Richard O’Connor, commander of the 7th Division and military governor of Jerusalem) that they represented 60,000 people of Mt. Hebron, all of whom rejected the rebels’ actions. He thanked the army for acting against the rebellion and promised cooperation in the ongoing struggle."The source places this in late 1938 without a precise date, but it is hard to imagine there was more than one such large event within a short period. Zero talk 02:25, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Well, something seems not right about those photos: the way the Matson collection (that belonged to the American Colony-people) labeled it is most unusual ("Peasant reading propagand(a) sheet prepared by Fakhri Nashashibi"). The American Colony people were generally close to the British Authorities in the Mandate era; they often photographed "major " events, but I have never seen them label anything as "propaganda" outside this meeting. It frankly seems as if the locals were lured there on false premises, then used in a propaganda war. About the Dura mukhtar's "delicate" situation; recall what the British did in Halhul just a few months before. Local Arab lives were not worth much to the British; as I am sure they were all aware, Huldra ( talk) 21:41, 2 April 2021 (UTC)