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[Formatting removed] In her writing, she often present herself as liberal voice of muslim. However, her muslim >>background is ismaili, considered to be a heretical sect by most muslim. This fact is rarely spelt out by her in most of her newspaper columns. Many muslim consider that she is >>exploiting British ignorance of muslim faith, and merely exploiting the title of muslim to present herself as some sort of bridge between islam and the west.
I have deleted this for several reasons.
1. If Alibhai-Brown presents herself as such a voice, there should be a citation to support the claim.
2. There should be a source for her background.
3. There should be a source for the claim that that background is not only considered heretical, but considered heretical by "most" Muslims. At the very least, if this is a common criticism of Alibhai-Brown, there should be a citation of someone making that criticism.
4. If "many muslims" think she is exploiting British ignorance, there should be a cited source for "many muslims" thinking such a thing. If it's a common criticism by some muslims, they should be cited. -- Dannyno 09:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
You might want to create "Political Stance" section to explain more about her view. This would give better balance. FWBOarticle
Nonsense statistics only destroy your credibility: Ismailis "make up around .02% of the global Muslim population". At say 20m of 1500m (ballpark figures) that's one-ish per cent. There was no source given for the figure, though the number is irrelevant in an article about YA-B. By the way if they think she ain't a Muslim, how can they hold her treacherous?-- SilasW ( talk) 11:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
This is utter bollocks. She accepted the award (or so she claims) in part to reassure her mother that she herself wouldn't (as a "dissident" - hah!) be deported. From the Indy column:
Removed. EdC 01:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown's knowledge about is islam is very limited if not none, for me she is some one Who is a bit confused.
It has clearly been put together by people hostile to Alibhai-Brown, and it has a tone of malice and a lack of balance that are clearly contrary to the wiki guidlines. How is quoting an anoymous commnenter - and what they "may" have said - legitimate?
This is an understandable reaction by the victims of her bigotry towards the english. If she was white she would be seen as a racist. Racism still seems a one-way street where the least racist (whites) are the only ones subject to the 'adult' rules of racism. This exemption for others leads to a natural feeling of contempt for those who don't have to play by the same rules, yet have not even begun the process of anti-racism within their cultures, leaving them further behind than they already were. Those of us who know Uganda well and know about the natives' hatred of the asian population (who own most of the businesses and treat the blacks so appallingly), find this woman's views repulsive and hipocritical.
Apparently she has rejected her honour and I suggest the MBE should be removed on the article. This was cited on todays the wright stuff 81.104.241.139 16:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Well... What has been written above proves this article has been edited by people whose POV is hostile. As for the article: Why is there a "criticism" section? Shouldn't there be a "Appraisal" section as well then? Wikipedia looks less and less like an Encyclopedia (if it ever was) and more like a deposit of hatred and prejudice. Sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.49.207.63 ( talk) 20:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
'Rejecting' or returning an award doesn't mean the awardee forfeits it, just that the insignia are returned. There is no legal process in the British Honours System for a person to reject an award, however it may be removed by order-in-council. JWULTRABLIZZARD ( talk) 10:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Indeed, one of the editors above candidly admits his bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.158.2 ( talk) 00:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Ms. Brown has several times been accused of racist bias (i.e. anti-white) & hypocrisy in the UK media. I shall find references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.67.164.37 ( talk) 11:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
If you do find the references make sure they include the racist bias that she shows towards people from her own supposed community too! Otherwise I'll have to do it...-- Medisin ( talk) 04:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
For Alibhai-Brown, the decline of whites is a question of redressing the balance after they colonised much of the world. 'The empire strikes back really. There was this extraordinary assumption that white people could go and destroy peoples and it would have no consequence. It astounds me,' she said." http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world -- 41.150.170.152 ( talk) 11:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
This has been brought to the WP:BLP/noticeboard and removed because
The recording is a bbc recording that has CLEARLY not been edited. This is a pathetic attempt at covering up an unsavoury side of Alibhai Browns character that clashes with the above editors ideals and so she deletes it. (head in sand comes to mind). The above person is obviously at odds with the Liberatarian Alliance, despite styling herself a liberatarian.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Removed this
because found it referred to a chapter or section Alibhai-Brown wrote, whose name is unclear. Also the book is described on Amazon as:
And it's not clear if Mindfield is an original publisher, a description, or what. Giving me a head ache, if someone else wants to figure it out. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 15:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the following from the criticism section, because it refers to a statement by her but does not contain any criticism. Find a (notable) source criticising her for saying it, and it can happily go back in.
In 2008, she referred to some Asians and Blacks who supported the British Conservative Party as "Uncle Toms".[12]
Saluton ( talk) 02:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I've subjected this article to a heavy copyedit to improve its flow, language and referencing of sources. In particular, I've removed several items from the 'Criticism' section. I've left the references to criticism by Wharton and Murray and added an example of criticism from the Spectator, but I've removed the three other examples. I'm not sure why the 'Martin Amis' section was here, since his open letter was critical of Terry Eagleton but not of Alibhai-Brown. The Muslim Council of Britain section was unsourced and in any case unremarkable: she may have had a spat with the organisation but has hardly received criticism notable enough for an encyclopaedia article. Finally, the Andrew Green section: again I can't see how this is a notable enough incident for inclusion. -- Nick Boalch\ talk 12:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed this reference, which was attached to 'Alibhai-Brown has attracted criticism from other commentators, including allegations [...] of racism':
In a radio debate, Alibhai-Brown agreed that 'the indigenous majority in this country is so seething with hatred and discontent that it is only restrained by law from rising up and tearing all the ethnic minorities to pieces.' Debate on multiculturalism, Newshour, BBC World Service, 2004-02-16.
What we need a reference to here is some commentator saying 'Alibhai-Brown is racist' or similar. Examples that Wikipedia editors think are suggestive of racism don't fit the bill, since they're original research. -- Nick Boalch\ talk 11:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
It would probably be worth adding a reference regarding this - an archived screenshot of the tweet is at yfrog.com/28bf1hp for example. (This link is on Wikipedia's blacklist, however.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.46.190.134 ( talk) 11:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't believe Yasmin Alibhai-Brown has ever shown any support for the Lib Dems, although she might now claim that she did and that she feels "betrayed".
The link provided shows negativity towards Lib Dem policies and I don't think it's honest to say that this shows any support for the Lib Dems, beyond the headline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.94.89 ( talk) 22:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
TotalPolitics - Iain Dale - In conversation with ... Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, 5 May 2011.
One remarkable comment: My father didn’t speak to me from when I was a young teenager until the day he died because I played Juliet in a school production, and the [boy playing] Romeo was black.
← ZScarpia 06:40, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
User:JMP1966 keeps adding a link to the exchange between Alibhai-Brown and James Delingpole from Friday 20 June on Channel 4 News, plus an insulting quote from Delingpole. As this exchange has not led to comment from third-party/ reliable sources, I believe it is entirely legitimate for me to remove this passage. Philip Cross ( talk) 10:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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The 'criticism' section appears to just be a collection of quotes from anyone who has said anything negative about Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, with no notability.
Is that appropriate or comparable to other biographical articles? I think not.
I think the whole section should be removed.
GorgeCustersSabre has now reinstated two paragraphs in the criticism section after removal by two editors (including myself). The two items are different in nature so lets look at them:
As neither insert has a third party source I propose to delete them unless some strong argument or additional sourcing is provided. Please also note that we may have BLP issues here ----- Snowded TALK 06:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
This woman is remarkable in her hypocrisy towards anyone who is not the same race as she is. Whether they are black or white. I can find references. Can I put this in the article with said references? GeorgieJanet ( talk) 11:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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[Formatting removed] In her writing, she often present herself as liberal voice of muslim. However, her muslim >>background is ismaili, considered to be a heretical sect by most muslim. This fact is rarely spelt out by her in most of her newspaper columns. Many muslim consider that she is >>exploiting British ignorance of muslim faith, and merely exploiting the title of muslim to present herself as some sort of bridge between islam and the west.
I have deleted this for several reasons.
1. If Alibhai-Brown presents herself as such a voice, there should be a citation to support the claim.
2. There should be a source for her background.
3. There should be a source for the claim that that background is not only considered heretical, but considered heretical by "most" Muslims. At the very least, if this is a common criticism of Alibhai-Brown, there should be a citation of someone making that criticism.
4. If "many muslims" think she is exploiting British ignorance, there should be a cited source for "many muslims" thinking such a thing. If it's a common criticism by some muslims, they should be cited. -- Dannyno 09:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
You might want to create "Political Stance" section to explain more about her view. This would give better balance. FWBOarticle
Nonsense statistics only destroy your credibility: Ismailis "make up around .02% of the global Muslim population". At say 20m of 1500m (ballpark figures) that's one-ish per cent. There was no source given for the figure, though the number is irrelevant in an article about YA-B. By the way if they think she ain't a Muslim, how can they hold her treacherous?-- SilasW ( talk) 11:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
This is utter bollocks. She accepted the award (or so she claims) in part to reassure her mother that she herself wouldn't (as a "dissident" - hah!) be deported. From the Indy column:
Removed. EdC 01:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown's knowledge about is islam is very limited if not none, for me she is some one Who is a bit confused.
It has clearly been put together by people hostile to Alibhai-Brown, and it has a tone of malice and a lack of balance that are clearly contrary to the wiki guidlines. How is quoting an anoymous commnenter - and what they "may" have said - legitimate?
This is an understandable reaction by the victims of her bigotry towards the english. If she was white she would be seen as a racist. Racism still seems a one-way street where the least racist (whites) are the only ones subject to the 'adult' rules of racism. This exemption for others leads to a natural feeling of contempt for those who don't have to play by the same rules, yet have not even begun the process of anti-racism within their cultures, leaving them further behind than they already were. Those of us who know Uganda well and know about the natives' hatred of the asian population (who own most of the businesses and treat the blacks so appallingly), find this woman's views repulsive and hipocritical.
Apparently she has rejected her honour and I suggest the MBE should be removed on the article. This was cited on todays the wright stuff 81.104.241.139 16:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Well... What has been written above proves this article has been edited by people whose POV is hostile. As for the article: Why is there a "criticism" section? Shouldn't there be a "Appraisal" section as well then? Wikipedia looks less and less like an Encyclopedia (if it ever was) and more like a deposit of hatred and prejudice. Sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.49.207.63 ( talk) 20:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
'Rejecting' or returning an award doesn't mean the awardee forfeits it, just that the insignia are returned. There is no legal process in the British Honours System for a person to reject an award, however it may be removed by order-in-council. JWULTRABLIZZARD ( talk) 10:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Indeed, one of the editors above candidly admits his bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.158.2 ( talk) 00:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Ms. Brown has several times been accused of racist bias (i.e. anti-white) & hypocrisy in the UK media. I shall find references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.67.164.37 ( talk) 11:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
If you do find the references make sure they include the racist bias that she shows towards people from her own supposed community too! Otherwise I'll have to do it...-- Medisin ( talk) 04:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
For Alibhai-Brown, the decline of whites is a question of redressing the balance after they colonised much of the world. 'The empire strikes back really. There was this extraordinary assumption that white people could go and destroy peoples and it would have no consequence. It astounds me,' she said." http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world -- 41.150.170.152 ( talk) 11:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
This has been brought to the WP:BLP/noticeboard and removed because
The recording is a bbc recording that has CLEARLY not been edited. This is a pathetic attempt at covering up an unsavoury side of Alibhai Browns character that clashes with the above editors ideals and so she deletes it. (head in sand comes to mind). The above person is obviously at odds with the Liberatarian Alliance, despite styling herself a liberatarian.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Removed this
because found it referred to a chapter or section Alibhai-Brown wrote, whose name is unclear. Also the book is described on Amazon as:
And it's not clear if Mindfield is an original publisher, a description, or what. Giving me a head ache, if someone else wants to figure it out. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 15:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the following from the criticism section, because it refers to a statement by her but does not contain any criticism. Find a (notable) source criticising her for saying it, and it can happily go back in.
In 2008, she referred to some Asians and Blacks who supported the British Conservative Party as "Uncle Toms".[12]
Saluton ( talk) 02:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I've subjected this article to a heavy copyedit to improve its flow, language and referencing of sources. In particular, I've removed several items from the 'Criticism' section. I've left the references to criticism by Wharton and Murray and added an example of criticism from the Spectator, but I've removed the three other examples. I'm not sure why the 'Martin Amis' section was here, since his open letter was critical of Terry Eagleton but not of Alibhai-Brown. The Muslim Council of Britain section was unsourced and in any case unremarkable: she may have had a spat with the organisation but has hardly received criticism notable enough for an encyclopaedia article. Finally, the Andrew Green section: again I can't see how this is a notable enough incident for inclusion. -- Nick Boalch\ talk 12:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed this reference, which was attached to 'Alibhai-Brown has attracted criticism from other commentators, including allegations [...] of racism':
In a radio debate, Alibhai-Brown agreed that 'the indigenous majority in this country is so seething with hatred and discontent that it is only restrained by law from rising up and tearing all the ethnic minorities to pieces.' Debate on multiculturalism, Newshour, BBC World Service, 2004-02-16.
What we need a reference to here is some commentator saying 'Alibhai-Brown is racist' or similar. Examples that Wikipedia editors think are suggestive of racism don't fit the bill, since they're original research. -- Nick Boalch\ talk 11:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
It would probably be worth adding a reference regarding this - an archived screenshot of the tweet is at yfrog.com/28bf1hp for example. (This link is on Wikipedia's blacklist, however.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.46.190.134 ( talk) 11:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't believe Yasmin Alibhai-Brown has ever shown any support for the Lib Dems, although she might now claim that she did and that she feels "betrayed".
The link provided shows negativity towards Lib Dem policies and I don't think it's honest to say that this shows any support for the Lib Dems, beyond the headline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.94.89 ( talk) 22:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
TotalPolitics - Iain Dale - In conversation with ... Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, 5 May 2011.
One remarkable comment: My father didn’t speak to me from when I was a young teenager until the day he died because I played Juliet in a school production, and the [boy playing] Romeo was black.
← ZScarpia 06:40, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
User:JMP1966 keeps adding a link to the exchange between Alibhai-Brown and James Delingpole from Friday 20 June on Channel 4 News, plus an insulting quote from Delingpole. As this exchange has not led to comment from third-party/ reliable sources, I believe it is entirely legitimate for me to remove this passage. Philip Cross ( talk) 10:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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The 'criticism' section appears to just be a collection of quotes from anyone who has said anything negative about Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, with no notability.
Is that appropriate or comparable to other biographical articles? I think not.
I think the whole section should be removed.
GorgeCustersSabre has now reinstated two paragraphs in the criticism section after removal by two editors (including myself). The two items are different in nature so lets look at them:
As neither insert has a third party source I propose to delete them unless some strong argument or additional sourcing is provided. Please also note that we may have BLP issues here ----- Snowded TALK 06:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
This woman is remarkable in her hypocrisy towards anyone who is not the same race as she is. Whether they are black or white. I can find references. Can I put this in the article with said references? GeorgieJanet ( talk) 11:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)