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https://arab.news/n2cq3 Interesting project by Yasiin Bey Szczels ( talk) 17:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
This article is very limited. Yes, there is a lot of information about releases and himself in person. But completelly nothing about the way he raps. All this information stated here is unimportant and uninteresting. I would rather read about how he raps, his life in relation to other rappers etc. Nobody really cares about his family, yes it should be here and its completelly fine but the most important things about his music are missing. What is his flow ? what is he raping about ? What kind of rhymes does he use ? Who inspires him ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.211.56.219 ( talk) 08:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
In an interview with Peter Rosenberg, Mos Def himself stated that at the end of 2011, he is officially changing his name to Yasiin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.179.49.66 ( talk) 00:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the Black Star article should be reverted back to Mos Def.. especially since their one album was released under the name "Mos Def". If you look at the page for Doggy Style it's listed under "Snoop Doggy Dogg" and not "Snoop Dogg", same with "Puff Daddy" and I would hope any other artist that changed their name at a leter date. 72.184.233.201 ( talk) 21:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
From the September, 2012, GQ, in a piece entitled, "The Artist Formerly Known as Mos Def" (no link): "I began to fear that Mos Def was being treated as a product, not a person, so I've been going by Yasiin since '99. At first it was just for friends and family, but now I'm declaring it openly." While there may have been dispute last year, this seems pretty decisive unless one wishes to disbelieve GQ's reportage. (Or mine, since I haven't a link.) If the man's been using the name for more than a decade, I remain troubled by WP's refusal to grant him that deference in article name when redirection would prevent any concerns about the article not being readily available. Czrisher ( talk) 14:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's my view. The article already has a reliably sourced announcement from Mos Def that he intends to change his name in 2012. Until we have a citable, reliable source that he's doing it earlier, we can't change the article at all. When and if the name change actually occurs and that change can be reliably sourced, then we need to discuss how to incorporate the change into the article.
If we can't reach a consensus on this preliminary part (the when, not the how), then I suppose we'll have to take it to some sort of dispute resolution. Although I was the one who requested protection of the article, I consider myself to be one of the editors warned by Beeblebrox, so I'm not going to battle over changes, although I might request protection again.
In the meantime, I will post a message about this on WP:BLPN to see if we can get some more input on the issues.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 21:14, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Here's an article saying that he has made the change legally and would prefer to be referred to Yasiin Bey from now on. embryomystic ( talk) 22:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved, per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME, which do not currently seem nonsensical. (I don't see what WP:EN has to do with it. If Yasiin Bey were the common name, it would be the common English name.) -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
– There is general consensus, covered on the Talk page that the artist himself has officially changed his name and the only reason the article wasn't updated is that he announced before he made the change. Effecting a complete and proper update, however, requires more editing than I can now accomplish, so I resort to this page for confirmation of my opinion and to solicit the work of more industrious editors. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 06:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC) Czrisher ( talk) 13:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I find it very troubling that his most direct political and social views are not listed in the section for his views. I added the title of his recent song "Niggas in Poorest," with a description of its anti-capitalist, anti-poverty, pro-Muslim and anti-world-leader theme, with a citation and link to the video, only to have it immediately deleted. What's going on here? We're only allowed to post truths that don't injure his marketers' pockets? To whoever administrates this page, can you please link me to the Wikipedia rule condoning pro-business censorship against facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.120.105 ( talk) 22:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Also, is he for or against American Exceptionalism? The article is ambiguous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.169.4.122 ( talk) 13:57, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
So my edit to the intro introducing Mos Def as "Yasiin Bey" rather than his birth name was changed, citing lack of source. Subsequent to posting the source, along with other edits (grammar/wording, plus additions to "Personal life"), another user reverted the edit. I was told to discuss on the Talk Page, so here I am. I am wondering what is the grounds for reverting the entire edit, even the additions to the Personal life section which does not seem controversial at all. I merely added some information about his mother, and clarified some information regarding his marriages and divorce. So what can we talk about to resolve this issue. Mos Def based on all sources does seem to be going by Yasiin Bey, similar to Cat Stevens going by Yusuf Islam. All his current appearances have been under that name. The source I linked, even cited him claiming it to be his legal name. DA1 ( talk) 04:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Mos Def was attempting to return to the US for a tour, but was denied entry. No reasons were given at this time. Given he is a native of the US and still a citizen, this is abnormal. [1] 24.156.213.29 ( talk) 09:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I can't find any sources for Mos def being a polygamist. It sounds like he married a second wife before filing for divorce from the first. That falls more into the category of bigamy or just plain fraud (you can't apply for a marriage license without saying you aren't already married). Polygamy is an altogether different thing with different implications and I haven't found anything saying he meets those. Also, I can't find any sources for this aside from random blogs. Can anyone shed some light on this? Bali88 ( talk) 16:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
The article (and Google's article excerpt) says he's an activist. But nothing explained. Is he really an activist even if Wikipedia doesn't have any info? I saw one reference (62) saying he demanded something from someone. Needs more info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.232.7 ( talk) 09:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
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So, is it true that the only reference to a second marriage, that supposedly occurred during his first marriage, is an article in The Star tabloid and a tell-all book by Alana Wyatt? This seems highly unreliable and I think the claim of bigamy should be removed as an unsupported assertion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
The title of this page should be changed from "Mos Def" to "Yasiin Bey". He has not gone by the Mos Def stage name for several years and has very officially changed his stage name (and, I believe, his real name). He has released albums as Yasiin Bey. I'm not sure what the protocol is for this on Wikipedia, but artists have changed their stage names before and their article has changed title accordingly. See Yusuf Islam's talk page for a very similar debate (strongly in favour of changing that title too). Going to propose the move soon if no-one opposes. 146.162.241.245 ( talk) 15:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
"He has released albums as Yasiin Bey." No, he hasn't. 58.250.175.74 ( talk) 02:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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Mos def was referenced in the lemon demon song 'my really cop wig'. 86.17.124.241 ( talk) 12:03, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Queen of Hearts ❤️ (she/they 🎄 🏳️⚧️) 20:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Mos Def →
Yasiin Bey – It has been over a decade since Bey announced that he would no longer be using the Mos Def stage name. In 2012,
he said "I began to fear that Mos Def was being treated as a product, not a person, so I've been going by Yasiin since '99. At first it was just for friends and family, but now I'm declaring it openly." Since then, he has exclusively used the name Yasiin Bey as his artist name, with both his acting and musical credits referring to him as Yasiin Bey since 2011. A review of recent reliable sources shows that most outlets now refer to him as Yasiin Bey and only mention Mos Def in parentheses or alongside a "formally known as". Per
WP:NAMECHANGES, If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match.
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If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name when discussing the article topic in the present day, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names".– Muboshgu ( talk) 16:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
I assume "Mos Def" is a shortening of "Most Definitely". If such is the case, are there any official sources stating so? It's not vital information but mentioned nowhere in the article and non-native speakers might not know it intuitively. Leavechelseaalone ( talk) Leavechelseaalone ( talk) 21:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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https://arab.news/n2cq3 Interesting project by Yasiin Bey Szczels ( talk) 17:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
This article is very limited. Yes, there is a lot of information about releases and himself in person. But completelly nothing about the way he raps. All this information stated here is unimportant and uninteresting. I would rather read about how he raps, his life in relation to other rappers etc. Nobody really cares about his family, yes it should be here and its completelly fine but the most important things about his music are missing. What is his flow ? what is he raping about ? What kind of rhymes does he use ? Who inspires him ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.211.56.219 ( talk) 08:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
In an interview with Peter Rosenberg, Mos Def himself stated that at the end of 2011, he is officially changing his name to Yasiin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.179.49.66 ( talk) 00:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the Black Star article should be reverted back to Mos Def.. especially since their one album was released under the name "Mos Def". If you look at the page for Doggy Style it's listed under "Snoop Doggy Dogg" and not "Snoop Dogg", same with "Puff Daddy" and I would hope any other artist that changed their name at a leter date. 72.184.233.201 ( talk) 21:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
From the September, 2012, GQ, in a piece entitled, "The Artist Formerly Known as Mos Def" (no link): "I began to fear that Mos Def was being treated as a product, not a person, so I've been going by Yasiin since '99. At first it was just for friends and family, but now I'm declaring it openly." While there may have been dispute last year, this seems pretty decisive unless one wishes to disbelieve GQ's reportage. (Or mine, since I haven't a link.) If the man's been using the name for more than a decade, I remain troubled by WP's refusal to grant him that deference in article name when redirection would prevent any concerns about the article not being readily available. Czrisher ( talk) 14:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's my view. The article already has a reliably sourced announcement from Mos Def that he intends to change his name in 2012. Until we have a citable, reliable source that he's doing it earlier, we can't change the article at all. When and if the name change actually occurs and that change can be reliably sourced, then we need to discuss how to incorporate the change into the article.
If we can't reach a consensus on this preliminary part (the when, not the how), then I suppose we'll have to take it to some sort of dispute resolution. Although I was the one who requested protection of the article, I consider myself to be one of the editors warned by Beeblebrox, so I'm not going to battle over changes, although I might request protection again.
In the meantime, I will post a message about this on WP:BLPN to see if we can get some more input on the issues.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 21:14, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Here's an article saying that he has made the change legally and would prefer to be referred to Yasiin Bey from now on. embryomystic ( talk) 22:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved, per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME, which do not currently seem nonsensical. (I don't see what WP:EN has to do with it. If Yasiin Bey were the common name, it would be the common English name.) -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
– There is general consensus, covered on the Talk page that the artist himself has officially changed his name and the only reason the article wasn't updated is that he announced before he made the change. Effecting a complete and proper update, however, requires more editing than I can now accomplish, so I resort to this page for confirmation of my opinion and to solicit the work of more industrious editors. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 06:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC) Czrisher ( talk) 13:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I find it very troubling that his most direct political and social views are not listed in the section for his views. I added the title of his recent song "Niggas in Poorest," with a description of its anti-capitalist, anti-poverty, pro-Muslim and anti-world-leader theme, with a citation and link to the video, only to have it immediately deleted. What's going on here? We're only allowed to post truths that don't injure his marketers' pockets? To whoever administrates this page, can you please link me to the Wikipedia rule condoning pro-business censorship against facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.120.105 ( talk) 22:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Also, is he for or against American Exceptionalism? The article is ambiguous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.169.4.122 ( talk) 13:57, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
So my edit to the intro introducing Mos Def as "Yasiin Bey" rather than his birth name was changed, citing lack of source. Subsequent to posting the source, along with other edits (grammar/wording, plus additions to "Personal life"), another user reverted the edit. I was told to discuss on the Talk Page, so here I am. I am wondering what is the grounds for reverting the entire edit, even the additions to the Personal life section which does not seem controversial at all. I merely added some information about his mother, and clarified some information regarding his marriages and divorce. So what can we talk about to resolve this issue. Mos Def based on all sources does seem to be going by Yasiin Bey, similar to Cat Stevens going by Yusuf Islam. All his current appearances have been under that name. The source I linked, even cited him claiming it to be his legal name. DA1 ( talk) 04:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Mos Def was attempting to return to the US for a tour, but was denied entry. No reasons were given at this time. Given he is a native of the US and still a citizen, this is abnormal. [1] 24.156.213.29 ( talk) 09:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I can't find any sources for Mos def being a polygamist. It sounds like he married a second wife before filing for divorce from the first. That falls more into the category of bigamy or just plain fraud (you can't apply for a marriage license without saying you aren't already married). Polygamy is an altogether different thing with different implications and I haven't found anything saying he meets those. Also, I can't find any sources for this aside from random blogs. Can anyone shed some light on this? Bali88 ( talk) 16:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
The article (and Google's article excerpt) says he's an activist. But nothing explained. Is he really an activist even if Wikipedia doesn't have any info? I saw one reference (62) saying he demanded something from someone. Needs more info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.232.7 ( talk) 09:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
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So, is it true that the only reference to a second marriage, that supposedly occurred during his first marriage, is an article in The Star tabloid and a tell-all book by Alana Wyatt? This seems highly unreliable and I think the claim of bigamy should be removed as an unsupported assertion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
The title of this page should be changed from "Mos Def" to "Yasiin Bey". He has not gone by the Mos Def stage name for several years and has very officially changed his stage name (and, I believe, his real name). He has released albums as Yasiin Bey. I'm not sure what the protocol is for this on Wikipedia, but artists have changed their stage names before and their article has changed title accordingly. See Yusuf Islam's talk page for a very similar debate (strongly in favour of changing that title too). Going to propose the move soon if no-one opposes. 146.162.241.245 ( talk) 15:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
"He has released albums as Yasiin Bey." No, he hasn't. 58.250.175.74 ( talk) 02:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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Mos def was referenced in the lemon demon song 'my really cop wig'. 86.17.124.241 ( talk) 12:03, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Queen of Hearts ❤️ (she/they 🎄 🏳️⚧️) 20:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Mos Def →
Yasiin Bey – It has been over a decade since Bey announced that he would no longer be using the Mos Def stage name. In 2012,
he said "I began to fear that Mos Def was being treated as a product, not a person, so I've been going by Yasiin since '99. At first it was just for friends and family, but now I'm declaring it openly." Since then, he has exclusively used the name Yasiin Bey as his artist name, with both his acting and musical credits referring to him as Yasiin Bey since 2011. A review of recent reliable sources shows that most outlets now refer to him as Yasiin Bey and only mention Mos Def in parentheses or alongside a "formally known as". Per
WP:NAMECHANGES, If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match.
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If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name when discussing the article topic in the present day, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names".– Muboshgu ( talk) 16:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
I assume "Mos Def" is a shortening of "Most Definitely". If such is the case, are there any official sources stating so? It's not vital information but mentioned nowhere in the article and non-native speakers might not know it intuitively. Leavechelseaalone ( talk) Leavechelseaalone ( talk) 21:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)