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Perhaps it's time to rename this article to "Old Yankee Stadium".. at some point between now and April, "Yankee Stadium" should probably be pointed to the new one. -- Mike Schiraldi ( talk) 20:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
This page should be "Yankee Stadium (1923-2008)" and the new stadium should be "Yankee Stadium (2009-Present) Engelalber ( talk) 17:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with the current positioning of the "Final game and closing" section. I think the end of the article is the natural position of this section. Also, while other events like boxing, football, concerts religious ceremonies etc. have been held at the stadium and it was built as a multipurpose venue, it began as, and ended asm a baseball stadium. Therefore I believe for both as an accurate reflection of its existence and prose reasons the "Final game and closing" section should be at the very end of the article just above the gallery. If there is no objections or a consensus develops to move it back, I will move it back there Wednesday. Hunter2005 ( talk) 02:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
POSTED BY BIGMAC27712: Agreed. The fact that this section is in the middle of the page isn't very smart. And it's followed up by boxing in 1923. WHAT THE HELL!?!?!??!!? Definitely at the end of the page. ----bigmac27712
The Yankees' re-signing of Mark Teixeira was announced in January 2009. long after the last rites, in the House that Ruth Built, not in the monster that swallowed Macombs Dam Park. Since the Yankees' offices are still at the 1923 Stadium, should we start a life-after-death section to handle any other noteworthy or at least mentionable events that occur there, if only to indicate that activity still persists there? —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus to move (at this time) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RegentsPark ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I wrote the small subsection about Opening Day (April 1923) from Robert A. Slayton's biography† of baseball nut, NY Governor & US Presidential candidate Al Smith, who threw out the Stadium's first ball.
Slayton says that at 3 p.m., John Philip Sousa struck up the band of the "Seventh Regiment" in the Star-Spangled Banner. But when I asked an editor knowledgeable about both New York and military history ( User Talk:CORNELIUSSEON), he said The New York Times didn't report the 7th Regiment's presence. (1923 is when the Times starts charging for its archive, so I can't easily check for myself.)
Does anyone here have other sources about Opening Day that might help resolve this question?
† Empire Statesman: The Rise and Redemption of Al Smith, The Free Press ( Simon & Schuster), New York, 2005, ISBN 0-684-86302-2, pp. 229-30
—— Shakescene ( talk) 00:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Speedy close See #Move? above. This is way too soon to bring this up again. 199.125.109.102 ( talk) 04:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Yankee Stadium → Yankee Stadium (1923), and New Yankee Stadium → Yankee Stadium, — Both the old and new stadiums share the same official name. This is to provide disambiguation for the old stadium — BillCJ ( talk) 01:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
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This article is quite lengthy. Maybe features and/or history should be seperate articles.-- Levineps ( talk) 15:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I hesitate to mention this, because I myself already have long-overdue 2008 election returns and Fortune 500 companies to update (as well as whatever should be my quota of the stalled project of fixing hundreds of possibly-misdirected pre-2009 links to "Yankee Stadium"), but there's a lot of dull, routine work that still needs to be done on this article, chiefly better sourcing where verification isn't obvious (e.g. specific game scores) † and changing present [is & has] and present-perfect [has been & has had] tenses to something further in the past [was, had, had been or had had]. The proper tenses of the verbs in some sentences won't be certain until the 1923 stadium is either demolished or else kept going for some purpose, but in either case, the currently-displayed tenses seem wrong. —— Shakescene ( talk) 06:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
† There are only 30 footnotes, which seems a little sparse for an article of this length and density.
In the closing and demolition section, it mentions that the former Gate 2 was unaltered. According to this [1] the gate WAS altered. The reference in the article goes to the Save Gate 2 website, while this reference goes to the New Yorker. Which should we use, and what should the article say? If this has been discussed before, I apologize- I must have missed it. Kjscotte34 ( talk) 17:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Now that demolition is complete, should info on Heritage Field be in the Old Yankee Stadium article? Or should a separate article be created? Richiekim ( talk) 18:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Yankee Stadium (1923) → Yankee Stadium (1923-2008) – This is a more accurate and clear title. The stadium was the one and only Yankee Stadium from 1923 to 2008, not just 1923. NYyankees51 ( talk) 21:27, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
¶ Although I agree with the result, the closing seems a little abrupt to me (only a week). Three opponents in seven days do not a
WP:Snowball make, nor even a No-Consensus. If the proposer wants to reopen his move request for a couple of weeks in hopes of soliciting comments from other editors, I'd support the reopening. I'd sympathize because last year I was on the losing side of a hasty move of
The Bronx to
Bronx (since reversed). This move request was not a trivial one, and I'm still open to hearing different reasoning from my own.
—— Shakescene (
talk)
21:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded an image of the almost completed Heritage Field into Wikipedia Commons. The image is also used on the Macombs Dam Park page, so if someone would like to take a look at it and incorporate it into the article, please feel free. As the article currently stands, it may go best in the "Replacement, Closing, and Demolition" section Kjscotte34 ( talk) 13:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Should Army Black Knights football be mentioned as a tenant in the infobox? They played home games against Navy, Notre Dame, and other opponents over a number of years between Yankee Stadium's opening and its 1970s revamp Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 14:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
The article currently says "20,000 cubic yards (26,000 cubic meters) of concrete used in the original structure" but a cubic yard is less than a cubic meter (1cy ~= .76 m^3). Someone's made a mistake somewhere, but I don't have any way to tell where. This section can be removed when it's corrected. Wyvern ( talk) 20:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
--The House that Ruth Built explanation-- "The house that Ruth built" redirects here, but without satisfactory explanation. I'm a male baby boomer from suburban New York and my cohort shares this belief: The stadium nickname has 3 meanings: 1) The "new" stadium will accommodate the Babe's huge draw; 2) The hitherto boring home run will now be newsworthy (albeit absurdly easy for lefties with the 314 feet right field fence, albeit less absurd than the Ebbets Field 297 feet); and 3) --and most unsaid--the small right field will nicely accommodate right-fielder non-athletes who run slowly but hit well like Babe Ruth. There is no salient story about a great outfielding play by the Babe. He was arguably the first designated hitter (I'm confident I'm not the first person to observe this, but it may be time for widespread recognition.) So, can anyone find a citation that documents this idea that "The House that Ruth Built" included the notion of a cozy right field for a non-athletic, slow-running outfielder/power hitter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danaxtell ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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Currently the section on concerts asserts, uncited, that "The first concert ever held there was an ensemble R&B show on June 21, 1969". But private correspondence dating from 1925 and 1926 frequently mentions enjoyable concerts being held at Yankee Stadium. These would have been orchestral concerts, probably playing "pops", popular classical music. Tchaikovsky's "Pathétique" Symphony is specifically mentioned in one 1926 letter. Obviously I have no usable citations. Milkunderwood ( talk) 06:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Adding the discussion started on my talk page. Reconfigure as needed:
Hi, FYI I've left notice on the Talk page of a problem concerning concerts at the old stadium, and it looks like no one is watching Talk there. Someone else had already posted the no-cites box at the article section on concerts. I didn't think it was a good idea to just delete the section. Milkunderwood ( talk) 07:32, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
The first concert ever held there was an ensemble R&B show on June 21, 1969, put together by the Isley Brothers.
The first rock concert held at the stadium was on June 22, 1990, by Billy Joel.
It was also the site of two dates of U2's Zoo TV Tour in 1992. During one song, Bono paid tribute to the show's setting with the line "I dreamed I saw Joe DiMaggio/Dancing with Marilyn Monroe".
Pink Floyd also performed two sold-out shows at this venue on their final North American tour in 1994 in support of their album The Division Bell.
¶ I've never knowingly stopped near either Yankee stadium and know almost nothing of the subject (which has made me uniquely qualified to meddle in this article over the past dozen years), but I found something just by Binging "Yankee Stadium concerts 1926" to find a list of concerts going back to 1966:
Yankee Stadium had 1 concert in 1966 Date Concert Venue Location Jun 10, 1966 Ray Charles / The Beach Boys / The Byrds / Stevie Wonder / jerry butler / The McCoys / The Marvelettes / The Gentrys / The Cowsills / The Guess Who Yankee Stadium New York, New York, United States
Concerts Per Year:
¶ I know that's four decades after what this section's originator was seeking, but it might perhaps be a start, since it's also a quarter-century before what's now on the YS(1923) page.
¶ So maybe some more Binging, Googling and Duck-Duck-Going might yield something earlier.
¶ Helpfully, I hope —— Shakescene ( talk) 18:54, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
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Final game at Yankee Stadium was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 11 December 2010 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Yankee Stadium (1923). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
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Perhaps it's time to rename this article to "Old Yankee Stadium".. at some point between now and April, "Yankee Stadium" should probably be pointed to the new one. -- Mike Schiraldi ( talk) 20:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
This page should be "Yankee Stadium (1923-2008)" and the new stadium should be "Yankee Stadium (2009-Present) Engelalber ( talk) 17:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with the current positioning of the "Final game and closing" section. I think the end of the article is the natural position of this section. Also, while other events like boxing, football, concerts religious ceremonies etc. have been held at the stadium and it was built as a multipurpose venue, it began as, and ended asm a baseball stadium. Therefore I believe for both as an accurate reflection of its existence and prose reasons the "Final game and closing" section should be at the very end of the article just above the gallery. If there is no objections or a consensus develops to move it back, I will move it back there Wednesday. Hunter2005 ( talk) 02:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
POSTED BY BIGMAC27712: Agreed. The fact that this section is in the middle of the page isn't very smart. And it's followed up by boxing in 1923. WHAT THE HELL!?!?!??!!? Definitely at the end of the page. ----bigmac27712
The Yankees' re-signing of Mark Teixeira was announced in January 2009. long after the last rites, in the House that Ruth Built, not in the monster that swallowed Macombs Dam Park. Since the Yankees' offices are still at the 1923 Stadium, should we start a life-after-death section to handle any other noteworthy or at least mentionable events that occur there, if only to indicate that activity still persists there? —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus to move (at this time) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RegentsPark ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I wrote the small subsection about Opening Day (April 1923) from Robert A. Slayton's biography† of baseball nut, NY Governor & US Presidential candidate Al Smith, who threw out the Stadium's first ball.
Slayton says that at 3 p.m., John Philip Sousa struck up the band of the "Seventh Regiment" in the Star-Spangled Banner. But when I asked an editor knowledgeable about both New York and military history ( User Talk:CORNELIUSSEON), he said The New York Times didn't report the 7th Regiment's presence. (1923 is when the Times starts charging for its archive, so I can't easily check for myself.)
Does anyone here have other sources about Opening Day that might help resolve this question?
† Empire Statesman: The Rise and Redemption of Al Smith, The Free Press ( Simon & Schuster), New York, 2005, ISBN 0-684-86302-2, pp. 229-30
—— Shakescene ( talk) 00:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Speedy close See #Move? above. This is way too soon to bring this up again. 199.125.109.102 ( talk) 04:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Yankee Stadium → Yankee Stadium (1923), and New Yankee Stadium → Yankee Stadium, — Both the old and new stadiums share the same official name. This is to provide disambiguation for the old stadium — BillCJ ( talk) 01:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.It is way too soon to propose a move, however feel free to discuss your position here. 199.125.109.102 ( talk) 04:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
This article is quite lengthy. Maybe features and/or history should be seperate articles.-- Levineps ( talk) 15:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I hesitate to mention this, because I myself already have long-overdue 2008 election returns and Fortune 500 companies to update (as well as whatever should be my quota of the stalled project of fixing hundreds of possibly-misdirected pre-2009 links to "Yankee Stadium"), but there's a lot of dull, routine work that still needs to be done on this article, chiefly better sourcing where verification isn't obvious (e.g. specific game scores) † and changing present [is & has] and present-perfect [has been & has had] tenses to something further in the past [was, had, had been or had had]. The proper tenses of the verbs in some sentences won't be certain until the 1923 stadium is either demolished or else kept going for some purpose, but in either case, the currently-displayed tenses seem wrong. —— Shakescene ( talk) 06:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
† There are only 30 footnotes, which seems a little sparse for an article of this length and density.
In the closing and demolition section, it mentions that the former Gate 2 was unaltered. According to this [1] the gate WAS altered. The reference in the article goes to the Save Gate 2 website, while this reference goes to the New Yorker. Which should we use, and what should the article say? If this has been discussed before, I apologize- I must have missed it. Kjscotte34 ( talk) 17:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Now that demolition is complete, should info on Heritage Field be in the Old Yankee Stadium article? Or should a separate article be created? Richiekim ( talk) 18:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Yankee Stadium (1923) → Yankee Stadium (1923-2008) – This is a more accurate and clear title. The stadium was the one and only Yankee Stadium from 1923 to 2008, not just 1923. NYyankees51 ( talk) 21:27, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
¶ Although I agree with the result, the closing seems a little abrupt to me (only a week). Three opponents in seven days do not a
WP:Snowball make, nor even a No-Consensus. If the proposer wants to reopen his move request for a couple of weeks in hopes of soliciting comments from other editors, I'd support the reopening. I'd sympathize because last year I was on the losing side of a hasty move of
The Bronx to
Bronx (since reversed). This move request was not a trivial one, and I'm still open to hearing different reasoning from my own.
—— Shakescene (
talk)
21:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded an image of the almost completed Heritage Field into Wikipedia Commons. The image is also used on the Macombs Dam Park page, so if someone would like to take a look at it and incorporate it into the article, please feel free. As the article currently stands, it may go best in the "Replacement, Closing, and Demolition" section Kjscotte34 ( talk) 13:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Should Army Black Knights football be mentioned as a tenant in the infobox? They played home games against Navy, Notre Dame, and other opponents over a number of years between Yankee Stadium's opening and its 1970s revamp Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 14:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
The article currently says "20,000 cubic yards (26,000 cubic meters) of concrete used in the original structure" but a cubic yard is less than a cubic meter (1cy ~= .76 m^3). Someone's made a mistake somewhere, but I don't have any way to tell where. This section can be removed when it's corrected. Wyvern ( talk) 20:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
--The House that Ruth Built explanation-- "The house that Ruth built" redirects here, but without satisfactory explanation. I'm a male baby boomer from suburban New York and my cohort shares this belief: The stadium nickname has 3 meanings: 1) The "new" stadium will accommodate the Babe's huge draw; 2) The hitherto boring home run will now be newsworthy (albeit absurdly easy for lefties with the 314 feet right field fence, albeit less absurd than the Ebbets Field 297 feet); and 3) --and most unsaid--the small right field will nicely accommodate right-fielder non-athletes who run slowly but hit well like Babe Ruth. There is no salient story about a great outfielding play by the Babe. He was arguably the first designated hitter (I'm confident I'm not the first person to observe this, but it may be time for widespread recognition.) So, can anyone find a citation that documents this idea that "The House that Ruth Built" included the notion of a cozy right field for a non-athletic, slow-running outfielder/power hitter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danaxtell ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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Currently the section on concerts asserts, uncited, that "The first concert ever held there was an ensemble R&B show on June 21, 1969". But private correspondence dating from 1925 and 1926 frequently mentions enjoyable concerts being held at Yankee Stadium. These would have been orchestral concerts, probably playing "pops", popular classical music. Tchaikovsky's "Pathétique" Symphony is specifically mentioned in one 1926 letter. Obviously I have no usable citations. Milkunderwood ( talk) 06:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Adding the discussion started on my talk page. Reconfigure as needed:
Hi, FYI I've left notice on the Talk page of a problem concerning concerts at the old stadium, and it looks like no one is watching Talk there. Someone else had already posted the no-cites box at the article section on concerts. I didn't think it was a good idea to just delete the section. Milkunderwood ( talk) 07:32, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
The first concert ever held there was an ensemble R&B show on June 21, 1969, put together by the Isley Brothers.
The first rock concert held at the stadium was on June 22, 1990, by Billy Joel.
It was also the site of two dates of U2's Zoo TV Tour in 1992. During one song, Bono paid tribute to the show's setting with the line "I dreamed I saw Joe DiMaggio/Dancing with Marilyn Monroe".
Pink Floyd also performed two sold-out shows at this venue on their final North American tour in 1994 in support of their album The Division Bell.
¶ I've never knowingly stopped near either Yankee stadium and know almost nothing of the subject (which has made me uniquely qualified to meddle in this article over the past dozen years), but I found something just by Binging "Yankee Stadium concerts 1926" to find a list of concerts going back to 1966:
Yankee Stadium had 1 concert in 1966 Date Concert Venue Location Jun 10, 1966 Ray Charles / The Beach Boys / The Byrds / Stevie Wonder / jerry butler / The McCoys / The Marvelettes / The Gentrys / The Cowsills / The Guess Who Yankee Stadium New York, New York, United States
Concerts Per Year:
¶ I know that's four decades after what this section's originator was seeking, but it might perhaps be a start, since it's also a quarter-century before what's now on the YS(1923) page.
¶ So maybe some more Binging, Googling and Duck-Duck-Going might yield something earlier.
¶ Helpfully, I hope —— Shakescene ( talk) 18:54, 5 January 2023 (UTC)