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I'm not sure where the spec data comes from but that is not the standard engine. So the rest of the info is suspect. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 05:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I have now replaced the data with info from the unofficial translation of the flight manual and provided the ref. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 12:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
And the performance data is mostly rubbish! If I fly my 18T light, low fuel, one up, with or without flaps, I can't get the stall speed that low. 101 km/hr? Never. And the stall speed is usually quoted at MAUW. Other figures similarly suspect. 92.147.38.18 ( talk) 06:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC) Ah, that was me: Paul Beardsell ( talk) 06:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
No it is not. The production of new aircraft has been zero zero zero the last 13 years. There is no factory. I am removing that claim. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 09:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
One can find references on the Web and in books that say the 18T is still in production. One cannot easily find references that it is not in production. The aircraft is however not in production. Zero new aircraft have been manufactured in the last ten years. One cannot order an 18T from its manufacturer. There is in fact no legal manufacturer as the original manufacturer refuses to support the aircraft and there is no other holder of the type certificate. What therefore to do on Wikipedia? By the rules we should reflect what others are saying, we are not a primary source of knowledge, and therefore this encyclopedia cannot represent the facts if these are not easily established by citable reference.
Well, I can tell you what we can do: We can represent what others say in a way that reveals the facts of the matter. And we can also neglect to repeat that which we know not to be true. I am *not* advocating that we say in the main 18T article that "the aircraft is not in production" - I am merely suggesting we neglect to say "the aircraft is in production".
What say you? Paul Beardsell ( talk) 12:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I anticipate the World Directory of Leisure Aviation says, in next edition, that zero aircraft were actually manufactured. They won't be clear as to where they got that info, but they would have got it here. This article at Wikipedia will then be able to cite that as reference. :-) Paul Beardsell ( talk) 13:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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I'm not sure where the spec data comes from but that is not the standard engine. So the rest of the info is suspect. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 05:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I have now replaced the data with info from the unofficial translation of the flight manual and provided the ref. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 12:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
And the performance data is mostly rubbish! If I fly my 18T light, low fuel, one up, with or without flaps, I can't get the stall speed that low. 101 km/hr? Never. And the stall speed is usually quoted at MAUW. Other figures similarly suspect. 92.147.38.18 ( talk) 06:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC) Ah, that was me: Paul Beardsell ( talk) 06:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
No it is not. The production of new aircraft has been zero zero zero the last 13 years. There is no factory. I am removing that claim. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 09:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
One can find references on the Web and in books that say the 18T is still in production. One cannot easily find references that it is not in production. The aircraft is however not in production. Zero new aircraft have been manufactured in the last ten years. One cannot order an 18T from its manufacturer. There is in fact no legal manufacturer as the original manufacturer refuses to support the aircraft and there is no other holder of the type certificate. What therefore to do on Wikipedia? By the rules we should reflect what others are saying, we are not a primary source of knowledge, and therefore this encyclopedia cannot represent the facts if these are not easily established by citable reference.
Well, I can tell you what we can do: We can represent what others say in a way that reveals the facts of the matter. And we can also neglect to repeat that which we know not to be true. I am *not* advocating that we say in the main 18T article that "the aircraft is not in production" - I am merely suggesting we neglect to say "the aircraft is in production".
What say you? Paul Beardsell ( talk) 12:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I anticipate the World Directory of Leisure Aviation says, in next edition, that zero aircraft were actually manufactured. They won't be clear as to where they got that info, but they would have got it here. This article at Wikipedia will then be able to cite that as reference. :-) Paul Beardsell ( talk) 13:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)