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"This console will be unveiled during the June 2013 Electronic Entertainment Expo"... and "Microsoft is [...] planning to make the first official announcements about Xbox 720 at the January 2012 Consumer Electronics Show". If one of these is correct, the other one cannot be. Simple as that, right? Not quite.
If the first is correct, a release during late 2013 would be utterly unfeasible. You simply cannot announce a console so shortly before its release- it would be akin to business suicide. More importantly, if it is unveiled during 2013, there's no reason for this article to exist yet, since it's not going to be officially announced for another year and a half.
If the second is correct, then the first is obviously incorrect, and then contradicts itself beautifully... but also, keep in mind that it says 'rumored'. I know a girl named WP:CRYSTAL, and she doesn't like rumors. Speaking of, the following sentence states that there are other 'rumored' names... going on to say that all three are correct in the infobox, despite the fact that we don't even have one (including the one in title) confirmed name.
In other words, the article contradicts itself in two places: the unveiling date, and the name of the system. Au revoir. Emmy Altava 07:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
A user has proposed a merge of this article to Xbox 360 with reasoning "per WP:CRYSTAL there's no information about the article's title". I think it is possible the subject meets GNG at this point, especially since it is no longer rumor that the device will be launched next year. At the very least we should wait to see what Microsoft says at this year's Consumer Electronics Show (which began today and runs for just three days). Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 20:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
The references and external links sections should be in their own sections, not part of the New features section. David O. Johnson ( talk) 17:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Is this major enough news to be put on the front page? Billybobjoe997 ( talk) 18:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi please addit is the official Xbox one console website [1] for the website 86.168.53.89 ( talk) 19:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Game by Bungie being developed for the new Xbox. Can't edit it myself. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 19:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
We need an Xbox One controller page.
Wasn't there when I edited this page, obviously. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 20:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
The Kinect throughput is only 2Gb/s not 2 GB/s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.171.196 ( talk) 19:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Why do they refer to Apple's Siri when Windows has voice recognition built-in since Vista, and there is also the more popular Google Now, I really don't see a reason to compare it to Siri when Windows itself has something similar for far longer. -- 86.81.201.94 ( talk) 19:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
There shouldn't be a reference to an unrelated product if it's not contextually necessary. In this case it certainly is not. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 21:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
You don't need to craft parallels in everything on an article. Assuming the reader speaks English, they should understand the what speech recognition is. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 23:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
The announcement included Steven Spielberg announcing a live-action Halo TV series for Xbox One. Not sure where to put this sort of information [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by War ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
There's a source ( http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hardware-and-specs/ ) that provides information about the current hardware specs.
- 8 GB DDR3 RAM.
- 8-core AMD APU (CPU/GPU combo) using a 28nm process.
- 500 GB HDD.
- HDMI 1.4 output and pass-through.
etc...
This page is protected so I cannot add this information. The source, Engadget, is reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.20.226 ( talk) 21:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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Change GDDR3 to DDR3. The citation says DDR3, not GDDR3. They are different technologies. Chuyayala ( talk) 22:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
This needs to be semi-protected. Too much vandalism going on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.202.39.3 ( talk) 18:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Vandalism is running rampant again. We really need this protected for at least 30 days right off the bat, similar to what was done for other tech articles like the iPhone 5. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 19:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Gamerscore will transfer over. [2] Didn't know where to add it, if at all. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 19:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I think this is more related to the Xbox Live service. SYSS Mouse ( talk) 19:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Xbox 3 should redirect here, since it's the third Xbox. -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 08:25, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
It seems that due to some complicated history merging, several patent nonsense and attack page precursors of this article were accidentally restored (see earliest revisions). For attribution reasons I was about to re-delete these few versions, but wanted to briefly check if any thought otherwise. Best regards all, Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 14:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately the link to Xbox.com doesn't work at this time for me.
To create a working link use
http://www.xbox.com/en-US
On the Xbox Website they have made an official area for the Xbox One where people can find out information, look at screenshots and watch trailers you can visit it here http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/meet-xbox-one — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 14:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Neither of these features have been confirmed anywhere (and none of the sources mention them).
Could we remove this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.228.33.193 ( talk) 02:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Major Nelson in a Live Chat on Yahoo yesterday has confirmed 4K Resolution Support and 3D support for the console — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 13:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Should it really be described as a gaming console? It's a home entertainment system with gaming options, based on the revealing presentation. -- PrimEviL 10:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
This could be said about the current generation of consoles as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philrichjr ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Unless you are willing to pay a fee, the Xbox One will block used games. This info is easy to come across in reliable sources so why isn't it in the article?-- 85.211.123.85 ( talk) 10:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
>[UPDATE] Retail sources claim Microsoft and publishers will take a percentage of every used game; Microsoft says reports are "inaccurate and incomplete"; new report says no secondhand fees at all. [UPDATE] Following the publication of this story, Microsoft director of Xbox Live programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb provided a new statement on Xbox One and used games. "The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox," he said. "Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future." [UPDATE 2] Sources have told Polygon that the Xbox One will not require gamers pay an activation fee to play used games, but will mandate regular checks to verify the authenticity of games. Microsoft is also reportedly mulling over the idea of special "exemption codes" that could be provided to those in Internet-free scenarios, like active-duty soldiers.<— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darthcheeto ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 25 May 2013
Maybe there could be some mentioning of the "720" dubbing, since it redirects here? -- Diblidabliduu ( talk) 20:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
DVD playback should be mentioned either under media (such as the PS4 article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps4)) or at least somewhere in the body.
Source (which is also sourced): http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Xbox_One_Hardware_Specs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.51.198 ( talk) 19:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Kotaku.com reports that games will have access to the following resources. I think it would be worth adding, given that this is the first genreation of consoles with significant multitasking/splitting of resources.
http://kotaku.com/the-five-possible-states-of-xbox-one-games-are-strangel-509597078
1) Running: The game is loaded in memory and is fully running. The game has full access to the reserved system resources, which are six CPU cores, 90 percent of GPU processing power, and 5 GB of memory. The game is rendering full-screen and the user can interact with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.114.130 ( talk) 19:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
It is pretty interesting technology and i think it should be added to the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.36.181 ( talk) 20:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Where has it been confirmed that either of these are the official name of the OS? In the preview video I believe they just said "Xbox operating system". 5ives ( talk) 23:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I know the Xbox One isn't the most popular console right now. And has a significant bandwagon of hate following it. But lets not have bias get in the way of facts. Until Microsoft themselves mention that it directly competes with Apple TV and Google TV then these sentences should be removed. Everyone expects this console to compete with the Wii U and PS4. Its still a gaming console first and foremost. (Microsoft mentioned this many times) It just also happens to be able to receive TV broadcasts now. Did the PS3 stop competing with the Wii and Xbox 360 when Sony marketed it as "it only does everything" ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.36.181 ( talk) 15:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
There we go. That is a much clearer edit. 31.51.36.181 ( talk) 17:03, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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Function of the *New buttons have replaced the start and back* Source:IGN IGNs Source:Microsoft Rep
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/microsoft-explains-xbox-one-controllers-new-buttons
Microsoft has explained the names and functionality of those mysterious new buttons on Xbox One’s controller where Start and Back appeared on Xbox 360. According to a Microsoft representative, these buttons are named “Menu” and View.”
“The Menu button (on the right) will bring up context-specific menus which game and app developers can design to enhance the user experience,” Microsoft told IGN. “The Menu button could be used in scenarios such as bringing up in-game menus, showing video playback options, and accessing commands on the console’s user interface.”
The View button, meanwhile, “will change views or provide more information in games and apps. The function of the View button will be driven by developers. Possible uses of the View button include viewing a map during a role playing game, displaying a leaderboard in a first person shooter, and enhancing the navigation of the console’s user interface.” Darthcheeto ( talk) 03:18, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
This article says it should be semi-protected until May 24, 2013. It is currently passed that time and is still semi-protected. Can somebody remove the semi-protection thing? 71.251.162.109 ( talk)
--NEED FOR SPEED-- EA has revealed that their will be a New Need for Speed Game for the Current Generation and the Next Generation Platforms called Need for Speed Rivals which will be releasing on November 19th 2013 for current gen and later in the year for next gen http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/23/need-for-speed-rivals-speeds-to-xbox-one-ps4-and-current-gen-this-november/
--DYING LIGHT-- Warner Bros. to publish first-person survival horror game from Techland; boasts day-night cycle, open-world; launching in 2014 for Xbox One, PS4, Xbox 360, PS3, and PC. http://uk.gamespot.com/news/dead-island-dev-reveals-next-gen-open-world-game-dying-light-6408779 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 14:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
--Zumba Fitness World Party-- Probably a Kinect Game Majesco has announced Zumba Fitness World Party will be released on Xbox One later this year. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I've found Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light to be Xbox One titles. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 07:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Both games have been confirmed for Xbox One. Sources: The Evil Within Polygon Preview, Wolfenstein: The New Order Polygon Preview. 2.217.214.88 ( talk) 16:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Microsoft has made another statement relating to the Used Games on Xbox One saying "“The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox,” the company said. “Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future.
However some websites such as Polygon say that that there will be no used game fee but still and online verification check every 24 hours [4]
82.19.44.115 ( talk) 19:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)KillerByte
The sources referenced in the article contain quoted statements from Microsoft. These should take precedence over third-party analysis. Unless other quoted statements contradict these, I don't see a reason to remove or modify what's in the article now. If you have an example of the contradiction, please post it here. Thanks. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 13:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Microsoft might be allowing Indie Game Developers to make games for the Xbox One, According to Don Mattrick says that they are going to have an independent creators program which by providing tools. [5] [6] [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 07:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Is really going from May 29th to June 30th just enough time? I feel like it could be shortened a bit and then if necessary put it back. buffbills ( talk) 21:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
In a "Xbox One vs. PS4" poll by IGN on May 30th 2013 with over 310,000 votes, Xbox One lost in every category and the PS4 received IGN's People's Choice Award. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/31/xbox-one-vs-ps4-you-decide%7Cpublisher=IGN%7Cdate=2013-05-30%7Caccessdate=2013-05-3 http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/31/xbox-one-vs-ps4-the-results-ign-versus
Shrine Maiden keeps adding this in and someone keeps reverting it. How is this not allowed? Masem says "Reverted good faith edits by Shrine Maiden (talk): The way this is presently is purposely biased. You are now at 3RR". It doesn't sound biased, it just sounds like the Xbox One lost a poll. Can we discuss this here? RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 16:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Microsoft has confirmed that while Xbox One won't require an always-on connection, there will be a fee to play used games. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a483473/xbox-one-will-not-require-always-on-connection.html Anyone want to add this? RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 02:05, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
ASDA and Blockbuster have both announced that pre-orders is breaking pre-order records even with no price nor release date.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/03/asda-xbox-one-is-our-fastest-selling-pre-order-console-3826800/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 17:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Some more info on the privacy issues surrounding Kinect. So you CAN turn it off so it is not always listening http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124447-Xbox-Ones-Kinect-Can-Actually-Be-Turned-Off Lightlamp4 ( talk) 18:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
In one of his latest blogs on his website he has explained some of the new features of the New Xbox One Controller by talking about some features like the brand new d-pad revamped thumbsticks, connectivity, angled triggers and bumpers and the low power state.
http://majornelson.com/2013/06/06/more-details-about-xbox-one-controller/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 18:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
This section definitely has problems. The first source appears to be a fan-site, which raises reliability issues. The second source, Mashable.com, is certainly reliable, but upon reviewing the source article, it's not critical of the unit's capabilities. The editor adding the information appears to be criticizing the unit themselves and using the article to back up their complaints, which would violate WP:OR. -- McDoob AU93 19:15, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
This section is completely biased and should be removed. The features it mentions, however, should be integrated into the rest of the article. First off, the section uses the word " you," which is discouraged. Let's look at each claim in this section:
-- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 22:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
If the second source is reliable, maybe that information can be included under 'Reception'. Worries about privacy is a legitimate concern. That section (which is now removed) was mostly garbage though. RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 23:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Considering how much controversy and criticism this console is getting, I believe a section for that information is suitable. Jørgen88 ( talk) 14:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I second this. I believe there is no reason to assume that Microsoft is going to change their policies, and criticisms by reliable third party sources should not be tempered unnecessarily. - Kai445 ( talk) 18:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I was running a copyright check of the article as part of the DYK process for Template:Did you know nominations/Xbox One... the copyright check has found 44.1% of the article to be directly copied.
This article has been so frequently edited and reverted that I cant tell when the information was added, and thus I can't tell whether the information has been copied and pasted onto wikipedia from the website it suggests, or whether the website has copied it from the wikipedia article; but large sections are word for word.
If someone more experienced in dealing with copyright matters could take a look please.
Thanks -- Rushton2010 ( talk) 02:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
There has been extensive criticism of the console in the legitimate gaming press yet I see no 'criticism' section, what concerns me even more is that a previous attempt at creating a criticism section was stamped on using lack of cites as an excuse; however, when researching the product I found numerous criticisms, concerns and outright negativity within minutes, with that in mind I think we need to create a section that is neutral yet clarifies and reflects the deep concerns and criticisms of both the press and the wider community to various policies being introduced by Microsoft. Twobells ( talk) 18:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
NPOV does not mean "make sure that there are an equal number of positive and negative things at all times". Nor does it even mean "make sure that there are a bunch of positive things, too." If there has been proportionally more negative publicity and reaction, then the reception section should be a reflection of the reception it has gotten. Not "well, I don't think it will necessarily be that bad, so lets make sure there's equal good and bad stuff, okay guys?" Because that is certainly not NPOV. - Kai445 ( talk) 01:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Interjecting: The thing has an infrared sensor. IR doesn't rely on visible light. IR works in an absence of visible light. Saying it "sees in the dark" is pointing out the obvious. - Kai445 ( talk) 01:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
While there have been genuine concerns, how the editor presented them were very biased and POV-pushing. I did write a new paragraph conveying these concerns in a more neutral manner under the Reception section.
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The Xbox One has got a November 2013 release date with a £429 price tag which is 500 US Dollars — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 19:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
The release date needs to be changed on the sidebar of the article. No date has been confirmed beyond November 2013. [11] The source referenced for it is from the Reveal Event back in May and doesn't mention that date or any other date beyond 2013. Also the price should be changed to either all words or all symbols to be consistent. The Euro symbol (€) is ALT + 0128. The Pounds symbol (£) is ALT + 0163. Destructor2012 ( talk) 19:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
During Microsoft's E3 event during the Killer Instinct showing they demonstrated the ability to go live on Twitch.TV [12] on the game you are playing. Users have also have the ablitiy to use a app called Upload studio where people can add skins to automatically make a montage of the game and trim the gameplay and share it to the cloud. [13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 21:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Please discuss the rationale behind using "Xbone" above, here: Talk:Xbox One#Also known as "XBone"
In case anyone wants to add it in the future, here's an easy place to start:
(commonly abbreviated as '''XBone'''<ref>{{cite web|last=Lewis|first=Helen|title=With Xbox One, what's yours is theirs|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/11/xbox-one-microsoft|publisher=The Guardian|accessdate=11 June 2013|quote="The "Xbone", as it has quickly been nicknamed..."}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Why ‘XBone’ has stuck as a nickname for Microsoft’s new console|url=http://business.financialpost.com/2013/05/24/why-xbone-has-stuck-for-microsofts-new-console/|publisher=Financial Post|accessdate=11 June 2013}}</ref>)
Since RS's support it, inclusion is merited. - Kai445 ( talk) 15:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if I commited mistakes, just tried to document drawbacks of the console comparing with it's predecessor Xbox 360 and it's competitor PS4. No more edits from me. -- Ragnarok Addict ( talk) 16:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Does there exist a free image yet that shows the console and the controller and the camera/sensor included with it? Because it's still being considered for deletion, after E3, and consensus says they want it to stay. RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 16:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
According to officials at Microsoft they today(6/6/13) released information on some new things. I think we should begin to add stuff about what Microsoft has said: “Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play—no more waiting for updates. While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playaway 1 ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Should the page include reference to the lack of support for the US military? In an interview with GameTrailers.com, Don Mattrick said "“I’ve got to imagine that it’s not easy to get an internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I’d be disappointed.” That's been interpreted as saying that MS won't support military personnel on deployment (there'd been speculation that they would).
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19:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)DpuTiger, June 12, 2013
Can we get a real source for the type of ram? The current "source" doesn't state where it gets its info, and I've found a lot of other places citing wiki as their reasoning for saying the X1 has "DDR3". Microsoft hasn't officially stated what type of ram they're going with, that I can find. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/what-it-is http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Xbox-Next-Gen-2013-Xbox-One-Specs-630x354.jpg Are there any real sources that state actual type of ram? 68.13.160.163 ( talk) 17:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Is a high-resolution photo of the guts of an Xbone good enough? http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6972/20130514-XBOX-ONE-TEARDOWN-015.jpg Anandtech is a reliable source. It is Micron DDR3-2133 DRAM. Here's a link to the spec sheet for the D9PZN chips: http://www.micron.com/parts/dram/ddr3-sdram/mt41j256m16ha-093 - Kai445 ( talk) 06:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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Please show information about the controversy and criticism. This looks like it was written by Microsoft. 65.128.118.48 ( talk) 10:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
The article should include the new console's de facto abbreviation, "XBone".
Source: http://business.financialpost.com/2013/05/24/why-xbone-has-stuck-for-microsofts-new-console/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.214.222 ( talk) 20:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I've looked at both sources. The first source, from Financial Post, does use the "XBone" name, but it makes no statement that the reason for the name came from any derision towards the console's features. If anything, it was saying that "XBone" was a shorter hashtag than "XboxOne". As to the second source, this would give the name some notability (as does the first name) and it does reference the displeasure with the feature set, but it is also based on early speculation about those features. A number of these complaints have already been addressed by Microsoft publicly and officially, and the main E3 presser is still 24 hours away (as of this post).
I believe the name merits inclusion, and that Buffbills was making a good-faith effort indicating it was a nickname, not the console's real name or anything other than a nickname. Further, this is a more appropriate place for it than what was originally planned (in the lead sentence). That said, making edits during a content discussion isn't the best way to win consensus. -- McDoob AU93 16:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay, full disclosure, Ive never owned a Xbox console, so its not like I'm a fanboy protectin my company or anything, but I feel like stuff like this doesn't add anything. It just seems like content like this doesn't add anything to the article, and conversely, just seems to ruffle other people's feathers and be a magnet for vandalism. Unless its a big, notable campaign, like the old "Sega does what Nintendon't" it doesn't strike me as a very encyclopedic thing to include. (I'd have the same reaction if people stared using "Wii Useless" or "PS Fail" or that sort of nonsense too...) Sergecross73 msg me 17:56, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Gah, my apologies, I probably should have checked the talk page for discussions before making that edit. Nevertheless, I do think it is a noteworthy addition to the article considering that the term 'Xbone' actually redirects to this article, readers deserve at-least a sentence of explanation as to why it redirects here. The term has been used by reliable sources (Financial Post, Escapist Magazine etc) and anecdotally, I've seen it used a heck of a lot by fans and critics across the net. I definitely think it's notable as part of the reception to the console, despite not being an official name. Pieism ( talk) 14:12, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
The #xbone hashtag is commnoly used to refer to the new Xbox, and it is not like it isn't used by reliable sources.
"...courtesy of in-game footage presented in last night’s Xbone and EA conferences..." -
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/11/titanfall-e3-conference-trailers-show-in-game-mechs-explosions-and-mech-explosions/
"Redbox Asks For Feedback on XBone, PS4 Rentals" -
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124758-Redbox-Asks-For-Feedback-on-XBone-PS4-Rentals
"Microsoft denies claims of false opinion rigging for the XBone" -
http://vr-zone.com/articles/microsoft-denies-claims-of-false-opinion-rigging-for-the-xbone/35808.html
"The "Xbone", as it has quickly been nicknamed..." -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/11/xbox-one-microsoft
This is not a one-off thing that trolls are using, this is something reliable sources are using. This is a common thing that normal people are using (#xbone). If you don't like it, maybe you shouldn't be emotionally invested in a video game console. -
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Weighing up what has been said, I agree 'Xbone' clearly shouldn't be in the article lead, if it has sticking power though I think would be a suitable addition for the 'Reception' section, given that it's common enough that the term actually redirects to this page. In regards to NPOV, using Xbone randomly in the article instead of Xbox One would be extremely NPOV, however I personally can't see a problem with noting in the appropriate section that the term exists along with the fact it is used mainly by critics, as long as the opposite POV is also represented. Rather than attracting vandalism or bad faith editors, I would hope a short mention would help contain the term to that section and save us from having to repeatedly revert users editing it into the article when they realise it isn't mentioned anywhere. Is this a consensus everyone could agree on, what does everyone else think? Pieism ( talk) 22:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Proposal
Okay, it's been a couple of days since anyone commented, so I've drawn up a proposal for the text of the addition, to go in the Reception section:
As a result of concerns about the console and the absence of an official abbreviation, Xbox One has been humorously abbreviated variously as either 'Xbone' or 'XBone' by many critics. [14] [15]
I've tried to make it clear that the term isn't official and has been used mainly by critics, so hopefully that should satisfy NPOV. Two references from mainstream sources should cover the notability issue. Comments, suggestions, amendments, objections etc are all welcome as always. Pieism ( talk) 14:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Since no-one seems to care enough about the issue to argue the 'against' side of this debate and the majority of commenters were supportive of some inclusion of the term in the article, I'll add the proposed sentence to the article in 24 hours time if there aren't any further objections. Pieism ( talk) 16:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, putting it in the lead would definitely be undue weight, unless Microsoft decides to make it official (unlikely but that would make my day :-) Pieism ( talk) 16:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
How is it that when a senior Microsoft employee effectively marginalises a not insignificant section of the customer base for the XBox One it is not important to this article?? It also shows that the company has no plans on changing the internet connectivity. It is entirely significant to this article, if you think it could be worded better, fine
President of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft Don Mattrick "Fortunately, we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity and it's called XBox 360" see here
-- Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 18:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please find a better image for the hardware itself? Ask a Microsoft directly for permission to use their PR images or make your own drawing or whatever - anything would be more useful than the current photo of some ambiguous black box, half of which is covered by mirror and another half appears to have some grass or green moss growing out of it. 173.68.110.16 ( talk) 00:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. There was overwhelming support of the image, yet it was removed for some really terrible replacements. This is en.wiki, not the commons. Fair use is fair use. - Kai445 ( talk) 04:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
So you are saying that the foundation does NOT want to put the betterment of the encyclopedia first correct? PantherLeapord ( talk) 23:41, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
"We have every right under US law to use those images" THEN WHY DO YOU INSIST ON US NOT USING THOSE IMAGES!? PantherLeapord ( talk) 01:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The Xbox One internet connection and used game policies are significant changes in the history of video game consoles. I don't see how including details about them in the Xbox One article can be considered undue weight. Also several of the recent edits which removed this information also added some promotional language to the article which I think violate WP:NPOV. For example saying that games "will be able to take advantage of cloud computing" is rather promotional compared to saying that games "can use cloud computing". -- GrandDrake ( talk) 03:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
The source for the Memory specification has zero validity. I also looked around for any official source, and there does not appear to be one. I think the "(5 GB available to games)" comment should be removed until this is officially confirmed. HereticKiller6 ( talk) 13:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
We have two primary sources: the Kotaku article and the Game Informer interview. There are also a handful of secondary sources. Aside from the primary source issues pointed out above, the secondary sources are low-quality at best. The reason is that each one only relies on one primary source. High-quality secondary sources will typically use multiple primary sources to reach a conclusion. Another issue with the claim is the amount of coverage it has received. At this time, coverage in reliable sources is extremely low. The information may indeed turn out to be accurate, but until it has more coverage, I'm not convinced it should be included. The consensus right now seems split, and I'm hoping more editors will weigh in. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 17:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
*GoneIn60, you are using faulty logic. That argument is literally an argument from silence. "Why aren't they mentioning it?" is not a red flag. Nor is the ratio of one piece of information in one article about a subject versus those in others. There are probably a million articles about Barack Obama, but just because every single article doesn't mention his height (and the ratios of those that don't to those that do are probably extremely unfavorable), that doesn't mean that the articles that do are faulty. Nor does the fact that heights can change over time give us reason to exclude the information from an article. - Kai445 ( talk) 16:29, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the transcript, it was a loaded question by GI (though probably not in malice). It was the equivalent of asking someone, point blank, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" A straightforward yes or no answer would have been worse than saying nothing. At this point, the only source of 5/3 gb is from GI, and they haven't revealed their source, ergo, right now we shouldn't be including it. -- MASEM ( t) 23:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
We can calculate bare-minimums for the environment, because we know what Hyper V needs to run itself, and what Hyper V needs for sandboxing/virtualization, and that there are two OS's that are going to be virtualized (one for games with 5GB allegedly assigned to it, one for apps, right? Well let's assume for a moment the apps OS gets 1GB).
From MS:
"300 MB for the Hypervisor
plus 32 MB for the first GB of RAM allocated to each virtual machine
plus another 8 MB for every additional GB of RAM allocated to each virtual machine
plus 512 MB for the host operating system running on the root partition"
300MB (Hyper-V usage) + (VM for Apps: 512MB[for OS]+32MB[for 1st gig virtualization]+1024MB[1GB ram for Apps])+ (VM for Games:512MB[for OS]+32MB[for 1st gig virtualization]+(4*8MB [for virtualization of gigs 2-5])+5120MB [5 gig for Games])=8108MB of RAM. Tada.
Original research, but this is an educated guess, and I would not be surprised if it was nearly spot on (plus probably some misc allocation overhead here and there that will get lost). -
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"This console will be unveiled during the June 2013 Electronic Entertainment Expo"... and "Microsoft is [...] planning to make the first official announcements about Xbox 720 at the January 2012 Consumer Electronics Show". If one of these is correct, the other one cannot be. Simple as that, right? Not quite.
If the first is correct, a release during late 2013 would be utterly unfeasible. You simply cannot announce a console so shortly before its release- it would be akin to business suicide. More importantly, if it is unveiled during 2013, there's no reason for this article to exist yet, since it's not going to be officially announced for another year and a half.
If the second is correct, then the first is obviously incorrect, and then contradicts itself beautifully... but also, keep in mind that it says 'rumored'. I know a girl named WP:CRYSTAL, and she doesn't like rumors. Speaking of, the following sentence states that there are other 'rumored' names... going on to say that all three are correct in the infobox, despite the fact that we don't even have one (including the one in title) confirmed name.
In other words, the article contradicts itself in two places: the unveiling date, and the name of the system. Au revoir. Emmy Altava 07:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
A user has proposed a merge of this article to Xbox 360 with reasoning "per WP:CRYSTAL there's no information about the article's title". I think it is possible the subject meets GNG at this point, especially since it is no longer rumor that the device will be launched next year. At the very least we should wait to see what Microsoft says at this year's Consumer Electronics Show (which began today and runs for just three days). Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 20:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
The references and external links sections should be in their own sections, not part of the New features section. David O. Johnson ( talk) 17:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Is this major enough news to be put on the front page? Billybobjoe997 ( talk) 18:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi please addit is the official Xbox one console website [1] for the website 86.168.53.89 ( talk) 19:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Game by Bungie being developed for the new Xbox. Can't edit it myself. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 19:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
We need an Xbox One controller page.
Wasn't there when I edited this page, obviously. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 20:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
The Kinect throughput is only 2Gb/s not 2 GB/s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.171.196 ( talk) 19:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Why do they refer to Apple's Siri when Windows has voice recognition built-in since Vista, and there is also the more popular Google Now, I really don't see a reason to compare it to Siri when Windows itself has something similar for far longer. -- 86.81.201.94 ( talk) 19:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
There shouldn't be a reference to an unrelated product if it's not contextually necessary. In this case it certainly is not. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 21:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
You don't need to craft parallels in everything on an article. Assuming the reader speaks English, they should understand the what speech recognition is. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 23:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
The announcement included Steven Spielberg announcing a live-action Halo TV series for Xbox One. Not sure where to put this sort of information [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by War ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
There's a source ( http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hardware-and-specs/ ) that provides information about the current hardware specs.
- 8 GB DDR3 RAM.
- 8-core AMD APU (CPU/GPU combo) using a 28nm process.
- 500 GB HDD.
- HDMI 1.4 output and pass-through.
etc...
This page is protected so I cannot add this information. The source, Engadget, is reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.20.226 ( talk) 21:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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Change GDDR3 to DDR3. The citation says DDR3, not GDDR3. They are different technologies. Chuyayala ( talk) 22:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
This needs to be semi-protected. Too much vandalism going on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.202.39.3 ( talk) 18:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Vandalism is running rampant again. We really need this protected for at least 30 days right off the bat, similar to what was done for other tech articles like the iPhone 5. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 19:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Gamerscore will transfer over. [2] Didn't know where to add it, if at all. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 19:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I think this is more related to the Xbox Live service. SYSS Mouse ( talk) 19:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Xbox 3 should redirect here, since it's the third Xbox. -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 08:25, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
It seems that due to some complicated history merging, several patent nonsense and attack page precursors of this article were accidentally restored (see earliest revisions). For attribution reasons I was about to re-delete these few versions, but wanted to briefly check if any thought otherwise. Best regards all, Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 14:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately the link to Xbox.com doesn't work at this time for me.
To create a working link use
http://www.xbox.com/en-US
On the Xbox Website they have made an official area for the Xbox One where people can find out information, look at screenshots and watch trailers you can visit it here http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/meet-xbox-one — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 14:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Neither of these features have been confirmed anywhere (and none of the sources mention them).
Could we remove this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.228.33.193 ( talk) 02:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Major Nelson in a Live Chat on Yahoo yesterday has confirmed 4K Resolution Support and 3D support for the console — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 13:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Should it really be described as a gaming console? It's a home entertainment system with gaming options, based on the revealing presentation. -- PrimEviL 10:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
This could be said about the current generation of consoles as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philrichjr ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Unless you are willing to pay a fee, the Xbox One will block used games. This info is easy to come across in reliable sources so why isn't it in the article?-- 85.211.123.85 ( talk) 10:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
>[UPDATE] Retail sources claim Microsoft and publishers will take a percentage of every used game; Microsoft says reports are "inaccurate and incomplete"; new report says no secondhand fees at all. [UPDATE] Following the publication of this story, Microsoft director of Xbox Live programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb provided a new statement on Xbox One and used games. "The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox," he said. "Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future." [UPDATE 2] Sources have told Polygon that the Xbox One will not require gamers pay an activation fee to play used games, but will mandate regular checks to verify the authenticity of games. Microsoft is also reportedly mulling over the idea of special "exemption codes" that could be provided to those in Internet-free scenarios, like active-duty soldiers.<— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darthcheeto ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 25 May 2013
Maybe there could be some mentioning of the "720" dubbing, since it redirects here? -- Diblidabliduu ( talk) 20:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
DVD playback should be mentioned either under media (such as the PS4 article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps4)) or at least somewhere in the body.
Source (which is also sourced): http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Xbox_One_Hardware_Specs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.51.198 ( talk) 19:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Kotaku.com reports that games will have access to the following resources. I think it would be worth adding, given that this is the first genreation of consoles with significant multitasking/splitting of resources.
http://kotaku.com/the-five-possible-states-of-xbox-one-games-are-strangel-509597078
1) Running: The game is loaded in memory and is fully running. The game has full access to the reserved system resources, which are six CPU cores, 90 percent of GPU processing power, and 5 GB of memory. The game is rendering full-screen and the user can interact with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.114.130 ( talk) 19:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
It is pretty interesting technology and i think it should be added to the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.36.181 ( talk) 20:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Where has it been confirmed that either of these are the official name of the OS? In the preview video I believe they just said "Xbox operating system". 5ives ( talk) 23:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I know the Xbox One isn't the most popular console right now. And has a significant bandwagon of hate following it. But lets not have bias get in the way of facts. Until Microsoft themselves mention that it directly competes with Apple TV and Google TV then these sentences should be removed. Everyone expects this console to compete with the Wii U and PS4. Its still a gaming console first and foremost. (Microsoft mentioned this many times) It just also happens to be able to receive TV broadcasts now. Did the PS3 stop competing with the Wii and Xbox 360 when Sony marketed it as "it only does everything" ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.36.181 ( talk) 15:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
There we go. That is a much clearer edit. 31.51.36.181 ( talk) 17:03, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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Function of the *New buttons have replaced the start and back* Source:IGN IGNs Source:Microsoft Rep
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/microsoft-explains-xbox-one-controllers-new-buttons
Microsoft has explained the names and functionality of those mysterious new buttons on Xbox One’s controller where Start and Back appeared on Xbox 360. According to a Microsoft representative, these buttons are named “Menu” and View.”
“The Menu button (on the right) will bring up context-specific menus which game and app developers can design to enhance the user experience,” Microsoft told IGN. “The Menu button could be used in scenarios such as bringing up in-game menus, showing video playback options, and accessing commands on the console’s user interface.”
The View button, meanwhile, “will change views or provide more information in games and apps. The function of the View button will be driven by developers. Possible uses of the View button include viewing a map during a role playing game, displaying a leaderboard in a first person shooter, and enhancing the navigation of the console’s user interface.” Darthcheeto ( talk) 03:18, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
This article says it should be semi-protected until May 24, 2013. It is currently passed that time and is still semi-protected. Can somebody remove the semi-protection thing? 71.251.162.109 ( talk)
--NEED FOR SPEED-- EA has revealed that their will be a New Need for Speed Game for the Current Generation and the Next Generation Platforms called Need for Speed Rivals which will be releasing on November 19th 2013 for current gen and later in the year for next gen http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/23/need-for-speed-rivals-speeds-to-xbox-one-ps4-and-current-gen-this-november/
--DYING LIGHT-- Warner Bros. to publish first-person survival horror game from Techland; boasts day-night cycle, open-world; launching in 2014 for Xbox One, PS4, Xbox 360, PS3, and PC. http://uk.gamespot.com/news/dead-island-dev-reveals-next-gen-open-world-game-dying-light-6408779 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 14:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
--Zumba Fitness World Party-- Probably a Kinect Game Majesco has announced Zumba Fitness World Party will be released on Xbox One later this year. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I've found Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light to be Xbox One titles. 216.246.130.20 ( talk) 07:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Both games have been confirmed for Xbox One. Sources: The Evil Within Polygon Preview, Wolfenstein: The New Order Polygon Preview. 2.217.214.88 ( talk) 16:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Microsoft has made another statement relating to the Used Games on Xbox One saying "“The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox,” the company said. “Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future.
However some websites such as Polygon say that that there will be no used game fee but still and online verification check every 24 hours [4]
82.19.44.115 ( talk) 19:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)KillerByte
The sources referenced in the article contain quoted statements from Microsoft. These should take precedence over third-party analysis. Unless other quoted statements contradict these, I don't see a reason to remove or modify what's in the article now. If you have an example of the contradiction, please post it here. Thanks. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 13:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Microsoft might be allowing Indie Game Developers to make games for the Xbox One, According to Don Mattrick says that they are going to have an independent creators program which by providing tools. [5] [6] [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 07:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Is really going from May 29th to June 30th just enough time? I feel like it could be shortened a bit and then if necessary put it back. buffbills ( talk) 21:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
In a "Xbox One vs. PS4" poll by IGN on May 30th 2013 with over 310,000 votes, Xbox One lost in every category and the PS4 received IGN's People's Choice Award. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/31/xbox-one-vs-ps4-you-decide%7Cpublisher=IGN%7Cdate=2013-05-30%7Caccessdate=2013-05-3 http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/31/xbox-one-vs-ps4-the-results-ign-versus
Shrine Maiden keeps adding this in and someone keeps reverting it. How is this not allowed? Masem says "Reverted good faith edits by Shrine Maiden (talk): The way this is presently is purposely biased. You are now at 3RR". It doesn't sound biased, it just sounds like the Xbox One lost a poll. Can we discuss this here? RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 16:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Microsoft has confirmed that while Xbox One won't require an always-on connection, there will be a fee to play used games. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a483473/xbox-one-will-not-require-always-on-connection.html Anyone want to add this? RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 02:05, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
ASDA and Blockbuster have both announced that pre-orders is breaking pre-order records even with no price nor release date.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/03/asda-xbox-one-is-our-fastest-selling-pre-order-console-3826800/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 17:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Some more info on the privacy issues surrounding Kinect. So you CAN turn it off so it is not always listening http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124447-Xbox-Ones-Kinect-Can-Actually-Be-Turned-Off Lightlamp4 ( talk) 18:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
In one of his latest blogs on his website he has explained some of the new features of the New Xbox One Controller by talking about some features like the brand new d-pad revamped thumbsticks, connectivity, angled triggers and bumpers and the low power state.
http://majornelson.com/2013/06/06/more-details-about-xbox-one-controller/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 18:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
This section definitely has problems. The first source appears to be a fan-site, which raises reliability issues. The second source, Mashable.com, is certainly reliable, but upon reviewing the source article, it's not critical of the unit's capabilities. The editor adding the information appears to be criticizing the unit themselves and using the article to back up their complaints, which would violate WP:OR. -- McDoob AU93 19:15, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
This section is completely biased and should be removed. The features it mentions, however, should be integrated into the rest of the article. First off, the section uses the word " you," which is discouraged. Let's look at each claim in this section:
-- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 22:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
If the second source is reliable, maybe that information can be included under 'Reception'. Worries about privacy is a legitimate concern. That section (which is now removed) was mostly garbage though. RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 23:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Considering how much controversy and criticism this console is getting, I believe a section for that information is suitable. Jørgen88 ( talk) 14:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I second this. I believe there is no reason to assume that Microsoft is going to change their policies, and criticisms by reliable third party sources should not be tempered unnecessarily. - Kai445 ( talk) 18:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I was running a copyright check of the article as part of the DYK process for Template:Did you know nominations/Xbox One... the copyright check has found 44.1% of the article to be directly copied.
This article has been so frequently edited and reverted that I cant tell when the information was added, and thus I can't tell whether the information has been copied and pasted onto wikipedia from the website it suggests, or whether the website has copied it from the wikipedia article; but large sections are word for word.
If someone more experienced in dealing with copyright matters could take a look please.
Thanks -- Rushton2010 ( talk) 02:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
There has been extensive criticism of the console in the legitimate gaming press yet I see no 'criticism' section, what concerns me even more is that a previous attempt at creating a criticism section was stamped on using lack of cites as an excuse; however, when researching the product I found numerous criticisms, concerns and outright negativity within minutes, with that in mind I think we need to create a section that is neutral yet clarifies and reflects the deep concerns and criticisms of both the press and the wider community to various policies being introduced by Microsoft. Twobells ( talk) 18:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
NPOV does not mean "make sure that there are an equal number of positive and negative things at all times". Nor does it even mean "make sure that there are a bunch of positive things, too." If there has been proportionally more negative publicity and reaction, then the reception section should be a reflection of the reception it has gotten. Not "well, I don't think it will necessarily be that bad, so lets make sure there's equal good and bad stuff, okay guys?" Because that is certainly not NPOV. - Kai445 ( talk) 01:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Interjecting: The thing has an infrared sensor. IR doesn't rely on visible light. IR works in an absence of visible light. Saying it "sees in the dark" is pointing out the obvious. - Kai445 ( talk) 01:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)EXO Explosiveoxygen ( talk) 01:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
While there have been genuine concerns, how the editor presented them were very biased and POV-pushing. I did write a new paragraph conveying these concerns in a more neutral manner under the Reception section.
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The Xbox One has got a November 2013 release date with a £429 price tag which is 500 US Dollars — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 19:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
The release date needs to be changed on the sidebar of the article. No date has been confirmed beyond November 2013. [11] The source referenced for it is from the Reveal Event back in May and doesn't mention that date or any other date beyond 2013. Also the price should be changed to either all words or all symbols to be consistent. The Euro symbol (€) is ALT + 0128. The Pounds symbol (£) is ALT + 0163. Destructor2012 ( talk) 19:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
During Microsoft's E3 event during the Killer Instinct showing they demonstrated the ability to go live on Twitch.TV [12] on the game you are playing. Users have also have the ablitiy to use a app called Upload studio where people can add skins to automatically make a montage of the game and trim the gameplay and share it to the cloud. [13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.44.115 ( talk) 21:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Please discuss the rationale behind using "Xbone" above, here: Talk:Xbox One#Also known as "XBone"
In case anyone wants to add it in the future, here's an easy place to start:
(commonly abbreviated as '''XBone'''<ref>{{cite web|last=Lewis|first=Helen|title=With Xbox One, what's yours is theirs|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/11/xbox-one-microsoft|publisher=The Guardian|accessdate=11 June 2013|quote="The "Xbone", as it has quickly been nicknamed..."}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Why ‘XBone’ has stuck as a nickname for Microsoft’s new console|url=http://business.financialpost.com/2013/05/24/why-xbone-has-stuck-for-microsofts-new-console/|publisher=Financial Post|accessdate=11 June 2013}}</ref>)
Since RS's support it, inclusion is merited. - Kai445 ( talk) 15:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if I commited mistakes, just tried to document drawbacks of the console comparing with it's predecessor Xbox 360 and it's competitor PS4. No more edits from me. -- Ragnarok Addict ( talk) 16:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Does there exist a free image yet that shows the console and the controller and the camera/sensor included with it? Because it's still being considered for deletion, after E3, and consensus says they want it to stay. RocketLauncher2 ( talk) 16:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
According to officials at Microsoft they today(6/6/13) released information on some new things. I think we should begin to add stuff about what Microsoft has said: “Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play—no more waiting for updates. While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playaway 1 ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Should the page include reference to the lack of support for the US military? In an interview with GameTrailers.com, Don Mattrick said "“I’ve got to imagine that it’s not easy to get an internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I’d be disappointed.” That's been interpreted as saying that MS won't support military personnel on deployment (there'd been speculation that they would).
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19:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)DpuTiger, June 12, 2013
Can we get a real source for the type of ram? The current "source" doesn't state where it gets its info, and I've found a lot of other places citing wiki as their reasoning for saying the X1 has "DDR3". Microsoft hasn't officially stated what type of ram they're going with, that I can find. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/what-it-is http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Xbox-Next-Gen-2013-Xbox-One-Specs-630x354.jpg Are there any real sources that state actual type of ram? 68.13.160.163 ( talk) 17:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Is a high-resolution photo of the guts of an Xbone good enough? http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6972/20130514-XBOX-ONE-TEARDOWN-015.jpg Anandtech is a reliable source. It is Micron DDR3-2133 DRAM. Here's a link to the spec sheet for the D9PZN chips: http://www.micron.com/parts/dram/ddr3-sdram/mt41j256m16ha-093 - Kai445 ( talk) 06:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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Please show information about the controversy and criticism. This looks like it was written by Microsoft. 65.128.118.48 ( talk) 10:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
The article should include the new console's de facto abbreviation, "XBone".
Source: http://business.financialpost.com/2013/05/24/why-xbone-has-stuck-for-microsofts-new-console/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.214.222 ( talk) 20:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I've looked at both sources. The first source, from Financial Post, does use the "XBone" name, but it makes no statement that the reason for the name came from any derision towards the console's features. If anything, it was saying that "XBone" was a shorter hashtag than "XboxOne". As to the second source, this would give the name some notability (as does the first name) and it does reference the displeasure with the feature set, but it is also based on early speculation about those features. A number of these complaints have already been addressed by Microsoft publicly and officially, and the main E3 presser is still 24 hours away (as of this post).
I believe the name merits inclusion, and that Buffbills was making a good-faith effort indicating it was a nickname, not the console's real name or anything other than a nickname. Further, this is a more appropriate place for it than what was originally planned (in the lead sentence). That said, making edits during a content discussion isn't the best way to win consensus. -- McDoob AU93 16:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay, full disclosure, Ive never owned a Xbox console, so its not like I'm a fanboy protectin my company or anything, but I feel like stuff like this doesn't add anything. It just seems like content like this doesn't add anything to the article, and conversely, just seems to ruffle other people's feathers and be a magnet for vandalism. Unless its a big, notable campaign, like the old "Sega does what Nintendon't" it doesn't strike me as a very encyclopedic thing to include. (I'd have the same reaction if people stared using "Wii Useless" or "PS Fail" or that sort of nonsense too...) Sergecross73 msg me 17:56, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Gah, my apologies, I probably should have checked the talk page for discussions before making that edit. Nevertheless, I do think it is a noteworthy addition to the article considering that the term 'Xbone' actually redirects to this article, readers deserve at-least a sentence of explanation as to why it redirects here. The term has been used by reliable sources (Financial Post, Escapist Magazine etc) and anecdotally, I've seen it used a heck of a lot by fans and critics across the net. I definitely think it's notable as part of the reception to the console, despite not being an official name. Pieism ( talk) 14:12, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
The #xbone hashtag is commnoly used to refer to the new Xbox, and it is not like it isn't used by reliable sources.
"...courtesy of in-game footage presented in last night’s Xbone and EA conferences..." -
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/11/titanfall-e3-conference-trailers-show-in-game-mechs-explosions-and-mech-explosions/
"Redbox Asks For Feedback on XBone, PS4 Rentals" -
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124758-Redbox-Asks-For-Feedback-on-XBone-PS4-Rentals
"Microsoft denies claims of false opinion rigging for the XBone" -
http://vr-zone.com/articles/microsoft-denies-claims-of-false-opinion-rigging-for-the-xbone/35808.html
"The "Xbone", as it has quickly been nicknamed..." -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/11/xbox-one-microsoft
This is not a one-off thing that trolls are using, this is something reliable sources are using. This is a common thing that normal people are using (#xbone). If you don't like it, maybe you shouldn't be emotionally invested in a video game console. -
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Weighing up what has been said, I agree 'Xbone' clearly shouldn't be in the article lead, if it has sticking power though I think would be a suitable addition for the 'Reception' section, given that it's common enough that the term actually redirects to this page. In regards to NPOV, using Xbone randomly in the article instead of Xbox One would be extremely NPOV, however I personally can't see a problem with noting in the appropriate section that the term exists along with the fact it is used mainly by critics, as long as the opposite POV is also represented. Rather than attracting vandalism or bad faith editors, I would hope a short mention would help contain the term to that section and save us from having to repeatedly revert users editing it into the article when they realise it isn't mentioned anywhere. Is this a consensus everyone could agree on, what does everyone else think? Pieism ( talk) 22:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Proposal
Okay, it's been a couple of days since anyone commented, so I've drawn up a proposal for the text of the addition, to go in the Reception section:
As a result of concerns about the console and the absence of an official abbreviation, Xbox One has been humorously abbreviated variously as either 'Xbone' or 'XBone' by many critics. [14] [15]
I've tried to make it clear that the term isn't official and has been used mainly by critics, so hopefully that should satisfy NPOV. Two references from mainstream sources should cover the notability issue. Comments, suggestions, amendments, objections etc are all welcome as always. Pieism ( talk) 14:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Since no-one seems to care enough about the issue to argue the 'against' side of this debate and the majority of commenters were supportive of some inclusion of the term in the article, I'll add the proposed sentence to the article in 24 hours time if there aren't any further objections. Pieism ( talk) 16:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, putting it in the lead would definitely be undue weight, unless Microsoft decides to make it official (unlikely but that would make my day :-) Pieism ( talk) 16:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
How is it that when a senior Microsoft employee effectively marginalises a not insignificant section of the customer base for the XBox One it is not important to this article?? It also shows that the company has no plans on changing the internet connectivity. It is entirely significant to this article, if you think it could be worded better, fine
President of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft Don Mattrick "Fortunately, we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity and it's called XBox 360" see here
-- Spudgfsh ( Text Me!) 18:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please find a better image for the hardware itself? Ask a Microsoft directly for permission to use their PR images or make your own drawing or whatever - anything would be more useful than the current photo of some ambiguous black box, half of which is covered by mirror and another half appears to have some grass or green moss growing out of it. 173.68.110.16 ( talk) 00:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. There was overwhelming support of the image, yet it was removed for some really terrible replacements. This is en.wiki, not the commons. Fair use is fair use. - Kai445 ( talk) 04:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
So you are saying that the foundation does NOT want to put the betterment of the encyclopedia first correct? PantherLeapord ( talk) 23:41, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
"We have every right under US law to use those images" THEN WHY DO YOU INSIST ON US NOT USING THOSE IMAGES!? PantherLeapord ( talk) 01:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The Xbox One internet connection and used game policies are significant changes in the history of video game consoles. I don't see how including details about them in the Xbox One article can be considered undue weight. Also several of the recent edits which removed this information also added some promotional language to the article which I think violate WP:NPOV. For example saying that games "will be able to take advantage of cloud computing" is rather promotional compared to saying that games "can use cloud computing". -- GrandDrake ( talk) 03:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
The source for the Memory specification has zero validity. I also looked around for any official source, and there does not appear to be one. I think the "(5 GB available to games)" comment should be removed until this is officially confirmed. HereticKiller6 ( talk) 13:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
We have two primary sources: the Kotaku article and the Game Informer interview. There are also a handful of secondary sources. Aside from the primary source issues pointed out above, the secondary sources are low-quality at best. The reason is that each one only relies on one primary source. High-quality secondary sources will typically use multiple primary sources to reach a conclusion. Another issue with the claim is the amount of coverage it has received. At this time, coverage in reliable sources is extremely low. The information may indeed turn out to be accurate, but until it has more coverage, I'm not convinced it should be included. The consensus right now seems split, and I'm hoping more editors will weigh in. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 17:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
*GoneIn60, you are using faulty logic. That argument is literally an argument from silence. "Why aren't they mentioning it?" is not a red flag. Nor is the ratio of one piece of information in one article about a subject versus those in others. There are probably a million articles about Barack Obama, but just because every single article doesn't mention his height (and the ratios of those that don't to those that do are probably extremely unfavorable), that doesn't mean that the articles that do are faulty. Nor does the fact that heights can change over time give us reason to exclude the information from an article. - Kai445 ( talk) 16:29, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the transcript, it was a loaded question by GI (though probably not in malice). It was the equivalent of asking someone, point blank, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" A straightforward yes or no answer would have been worse than saying nothing. At this point, the only source of 5/3 gb is from GI, and they haven't revealed their source, ergo, right now we shouldn't be including it. -- MASEM ( t) 23:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
We can calculate bare-minimums for the environment, because we know what Hyper V needs to run itself, and what Hyper V needs for sandboxing/virtualization, and that there are two OS's that are going to be virtualized (one for games with 5GB allegedly assigned to it, one for apps, right? Well let's assume for a moment the apps OS gets 1GB).
From MS:
"300 MB for the Hypervisor
plus 32 MB for the first GB of RAM allocated to each virtual machine
plus another 8 MB for every additional GB of RAM allocated to each virtual machine
plus 512 MB for the host operating system running on the root partition"
300MB (Hyper-V usage) + (VM for Apps: 512MB[for OS]+32MB[for 1st gig virtualization]+1024MB[1GB ram for Apps])+ (VM for Games:512MB[for OS]+32MB[for 1st gig virtualization]+(4*8MB [for virtualization of gigs 2-5])+5120MB [5 gig for Games])=8108MB of RAM. Tada.
Original research, but this is an educated guess, and I would not be surprised if it was nearly spot on (plus probably some misc allocation overhead here and there that will get lost). -
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