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According to AC Clark in The Revolutionary Has No Clothes: Hugo Chavez's Bolivarian Farce, who says the documentary "X Ray of a lie" accurately uncovers the "mendacity and tendentiousness of The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". [1]
"A C Clark" is a pseudonym [1] chosen by a Venezuelan who is clearly a member of the opposition (the book title already suggests a polemic). This pseudonymous opinion is not, I think, a reliable source, and without knowing who it is, how are we supposed to judge due weight? Rd232 talk 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
X-ray is clearly the propaganda piece, as is shown by their vitriolic attidue: "produce a response to the propaganda piece...'.How much clearer cn you be! Jalusbrian ( talk) 12:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
According to A C Clark, a pseudonymous author who has expressed anti-Chavez sentiment in the book, The Revolutionary Has No Clothes: Hugo Chavez's Bolivarian Farce, Wolfgang Schalk and Thalman Urguelles, Venezuelan TV producers and engineers, were commissioned to "produce a response to the propaganda piece by Bartley and O'Briain"; he says the film accurately uncovers the "mendacity and tendentiousness of The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". [1]
Please eliminate the first statement because is false Wschalks ( talk) 23:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC) Wschalks ( talk) 23:14, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Rd, I think we need to add this to the Universal article; it looks synth-y here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 09:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Venezuela's El Universal, which on the morning of 13 April 2002, when the removal of Chavez from office appeared a success, headlined ¡Un Paso Adelante! (One Step Forward!), [2] said in 2004 the ethics of The Revolution Will Not Be Televised winning international acclaim for the government version of events should be examined, and says the film has "conceptual errors, manipulated editing, omission of crucial information, half lies and pure lies" and that X-ray of a Lie deconstructs these inaccuracies. [3] verification needed
JRSP, I don't know what you're after with any of these tags; since you speak Spanish, could you explain here how you want the text adjusted? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Do we know the name of the person or comapany that commissioned Wolfgang Schalk and Thalman Urguelles to produce a response? Wikispan ( talk) 17:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
My name is Wolfgang Schalk and I am the author of the documentary "X Rays of a lie". I want to inform the readers that the A C Clark statetement that "The federation of Venezuelan Movie directors comissioned Wolfgang Schalk and Thaelman Urgellles..."( page 91) is false. I was not comissioned to make the film and there is no "federation of Venezuelan Movie directors " in Venezuela. The film was a result of the university forum made in Caracas on October 21, 2003 where I showed, together with Thaelman, the details of picture manipulation and propaganda made by Kim Bartlkey and Donnacha O'Brian. In that meeting we had the presence of gen. Rosendo, the head of the Avila Plan who disobeyed the orders of President Chavez to take out tanks to attack 1 milion protestors who went to the presidential palace to ask the resign of President Chavez and were received by offficial gunmen on the streets below , not only on the Llaguno Bridge. On that day, the people that attended the forum signed a written petition that went to the BBC, co producer of "The revolution will not be televised" and I wrote a petition on-line at petitiononline.com/gusano03/ and created by "El Gusano de luz"a web site that regretfully does not exist any more on Internet. From the recording of this forum , I edited the content, added more information I found in the process of chosing the scenes.It was ready some months later in 2004. In the meantime, I started to gather money to pay the editor, the material, etc by myself because few people were interested in investing this documentary. At the end, I created a few DVD that were sent to selected people and then Google gave me an opotunity to have in in internet because no TV station was interested in broadcasting it. Therefore I want that the comment of A C Clark should be deleted because it is a false statement. He never contacted me in no way whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wschalks ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I hope that you read the link that is mentioned in my writing. I cannot post a link because petitiononline.com is blacklisted in Wikipedia. There you can read the petition we made on October 21, 2003. I think that is a very reliable source together with almost 12.000 signatures !!! The problem with A C Clark is that the information he writes about the financing and motives to make the documentary is false. Brian Nelson (reliable source) says on pag 265 of his book "The silence and the scorpion": " The only proble for the filmakers (The revolution will not be televised) was that even at this late hour the street wasn´t quite empty- so the filmmakers put a black bar at the top of the frame to hide the Metropolitan Police trucks that were still there"...... " A blow-by-blow of the films manipulations was donde in another documentary called X-Ray of a lie (Radiografia de una mentira) by Wolfgang Schalk and Thaelman Urgelles" I identified myself clearly and as you see my email is wschalks@gmail which clearly shows the first letter of my name, my last name and the first letter of my second last name. Also you could go to facebook and search my name and you will see my picture. Also I appear in the film making all the explanations. I have the original jpg of the DVD cover but I cannot insert it in this article that you started. If yopu knbow a way , it would be grateful.
I hope that Wikipedia whitelisted the link so that I can put it in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wschalks ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Catching up:
I am not 100% certain of this, but I'm sure we shouldn't be allowing the director to proclaim or exaggerate the importance of his own film in the lede section. We should instead use sources independent of the subject. That's not difficult, right? There are a handful of people who say very much the same thing. Wikispan ( talk) 20:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
The revolution will not be televised" is a propaganda film designed to distort the Venezuelan reality. Its authors used the good faith and patronage of recognized European TV Corporations as the BBC, RTE, ZDF, NPS/Cobo, Arte and YLE. "X Rays of a lie" shows the grave omissions,informative bias and direct lies of the film. IMDB Wschalks ( talk) 23:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
In so much as X-Ray of a Lie claims to rebut (or at least find major fault with) The Revolution Will Not Be Televised shouldn't this article reflect any response or 'rebuttal of the rebuttal' from the original documentary makers (or third-parties). Reading the article and the Reception section the narrative you get is: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised was (claimed to be) deceptive, X-Ray of a Lie pointed out the deception, and various reviewers seemed to agree. It hardly seems plausible that there was no counter to the rebuttal. 185.55.60.122 ( talk) 18:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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According to AC Clark in The Revolutionary Has No Clothes: Hugo Chavez's Bolivarian Farce, who says the documentary "X Ray of a lie" accurately uncovers the "mendacity and tendentiousness of The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". [1]
"A C Clark" is a pseudonym [1] chosen by a Venezuelan who is clearly a member of the opposition (the book title already suggests a polemic). This pseudonymous opinion is not, I think, a reliable source, and without knowing who it is, how are we supposed to judge due weight? Rd232 talk 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
X-ray is clearly the propaganda piece, as is shown by their vitriolic attidue: "produce a response to the propaganda piece...'.How much clearer cn you be! Jalusbrian ( talk) 12:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
According to A C Clark, a pseudonymous author who has expressed anti-Chavez sentiment in the book, The Revolutionary Has No Clothes: Hugo Chavez's Bolivarian Farce, Wolfgang Schalk and Thalman Urguelles, Venezuelan TV producers and engineers, were commissioned to "produce a response to the propaganda piece by Bartley and O'Briain"; he says the film accurately uncovers the "mendacity and tendentiousness of The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". [1]
Please eliminate the first statement because is false Wschalks ( talk) 23:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC) Wschalks ( talk) 23:14, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Rd, I think we need to add this to the Universal article; it looks synth-y here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 09:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Venezuela's El Universal, which on the morning of 13 April 2002, when the removal of Chavez from office appeared a success, headlined ¡Un Paso Adelante! (One Step Forward!), [2] said in 2004 the ethics of The Revolution Will Not Be Televised winning international acclaim for the government version of events should be examined, and says the film has "conceptual errors, manipulated editing, omission of crucial information, half lies and pure lies" and that X-ray of a Lie deconstructs these inaccuracies. [3] verification needed
JRSP, I don't know what you're after with any of these tags; since you speak Spanish, could you explain here how you want the text adjusted? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Do we know the name of the person or comapany that commissioned Wolfgang Schalk and Thalman Urguelles to produce a response? Wikispan ( talk) 17:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
My name is Wolfgang Schalk and I am the author of the documentary "X Rays of a lie". I want to inform the readers that the A C Clark statetement that "The federation of Venezuelan Movie directors comissioned Wolfgang Schalk and Thaelman Urgellles..."( page 91) is false. I was not comissioned to make the film and there is no "federation of Venezuelan Movie directors " in Venezuela. The film was a result of the university forum made in Caracas on October 21, 2003 where I showed, together with Thaelman, the details of picture manipulation and propaganda made by Kim Bartlkey and Donnacha O'Brian. In that meeting we had the presence of gen. Rosendo, the head of the Avila Plan who disobeyed the orders of President Chavez to take out tanks to attack 1 milion protestors who went to the presidential palace to ask the resign of President Chavez and were received by offficial gunmen on the streets below , not only on the Llaguno Bridge. On that day, the people that attended the forum signed a written petition that went to the BBC, co producer of "The revolution will not be televised" and I wrote a petition on-line at petitiononline.com/gusano03/ and created by "El Gusano de luz"a web site that regretfully does not exist any more on Internet. From the recording of this forum , I edited the content, added more information I found in the process of chosing the scenes.It was ready some months later in 2004. In the meantime, I started to gather money to pay the editor, the material, etc by myself because few people were interested in investing this documentary. At the end, I created a few DVD that were sent to selected people and then Google gave me an opotunity to have in in internet because no TV station was interested in broadcasting it. Therefore I want that the comment of A C Clark should be deleted because it is a false statement. He never contacted me in no way whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wschalks ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I hope that you read the link that is mentioned in my writing. I cannot post a link because petitiononline.com is blacklisted in Wikipedia. There you can read the petition we made on October 21, 2003. I think that is a very reliable source together with almost 12.000 signatures !!! The problem with A C Clark is that the information he writes about the financing and motives to make the documentary is false. Brian Nelson (reliable source) says on pag 265 of his book "The silence and the scorpion": " The only proble for the filmakers (The revolution will not be televised) was that even at this late hour the street wasn´t quite empty- so the filmmakers put a black bar at the top of the frame to hide the Metropolitan Police trucks that were still there"...... " A blow-by-blow of the films manipulations was donde in another documentary called X-Ray of a lie (Radiografia de una mentira) by Wolfgang Schalk and Thaelman Urgelles" I identified myself clearly and as you see my email is wschalks@gmail which clearly shows the first letter of my name, my last name and the first letter of my second last name. Also you could go to facebook and search my name and you will see my picture. Also I appear in the film making all the explanations. I have the original jpg of the DVD cover but I cannot insert it in this article that you started. If yopu knbow a way , it would be grateful.
I hope that Wikipedia whitelisted the link so that I can put it in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wschalks ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Catching up:
I am not 100% certain of this, but I'm sure we shouldn't be allowing the director to proclaim or exaggerate the importance of his own film in the lede section. We should instead use sources independent of the subject. That's not difficult, right? There are a handful of people who say very much the same thing. Wikispan ( talk) 20:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
The revolution will not be televised" is a propaganda film designed to distort the Venezuelan reality. Its authors used the good faith and patronage of recognized European TV Corporations as the BBC, RTE, ZDF, NPS/Cobo, Arte and YLE. "X Rays of a lie" shows the grave omissions,informative bias and direct lies of the film. IMDB Wschalks ( talk) 23:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
In so much as X-Ray of a Lie claims to rebut (or at least find major fault with) The Revolution Will Not Be Televised shouldn't this article reflect any response or 'rebuttal of the rebuttal' from the original documentary makers (or third-parties). Reading the article and the Reception section the narrative you get is: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised was (claimed to be) deceptive, X-Ray of a Lie pointed out the deception, and various reviewers seemed to agree. It hardly seems plausible that there was no counter to the rebuttal. 185.55.60.122 ( talk) 18:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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