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She won the U-16 in 1997 and U-20 in 2000, as is stated in her article. But my question is, could she not also be the 1995 U-14 winner also? This is credited to a Xu Xuun Yuan, who would be the same age as Xu Yuanyuan and whose name sounds incredibly similar. Any way to check this out? Brittle heaven ( talk) 22:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the recent revert and did a little digging – Xu Yuanyuan's personal website and Baidu Baike entry both claim that she won the U14 championship, and while neither qualifies as an RS, a Tsinghua University news article ( republished by Xinhua) about her visit there in 2006 corroborates the assertion and could be cited. Cobblet ( talk) 04:14, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
CHESS magazine Oct 1989, gives a full list of winners for the event in Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, the list disagrees on the boys' U-12 winner - giving Marcin Kaminsky (POL), 8½ points. There are no 2nd / 3rd places given, so Jorge Zamora does not get a mention. Not sure how to resolve this one? Brittle heaven ( talk) 20:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Browsing through a number of publications, I am coming to the conclusion that the early editions of this category (from Mestel onwards) were in fact under-18, not under-16. Unfortunately, I can't piece together the whole story, but looking at Brasilbase, you note that whilst these early editions sit above the under-16 results, they are not described as U-16 themselves. They have (I think) been put there because at some point, the "Cadets" category switched from U-18 to U-16, so the name is the common element, not the age group. Our article is therefore misleading as it titles all editions as U-16. Perhaps some more research is needed to fully clear this up, and discover when the crossover happened. Brittle heaven ( talk) 20:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Because they are no longer online, I post them here for now, until the year is covered in the "notes" section.
Place: CITY OF SAO LOURENCO - STATE OF MINAS GERAIS - BRAZIL Date: OCTOBER 17 TO 28, 1995. The 11th World Youth Chess Festival was realized in October, 17 to 28, at Sao Lourenco City, Brazil, by FIDE and Brazilian Chess Federation. Sao Lourenco is an agreeable resort inland the State of Minas Gerais and it is located 386 km from Belo Horizonte, the state capital, 290 km from Sao Paulo, and 275 km from Rio de Janeiro. Sao Lourenco has 30,000 inhabitants and the average temperature in the month of October is 25 Celsius degrees. The city has a wonderful mineral water park with a lake and hoots baths. This Festival covered the World Chess Championships under 10 (born on or after 01/01/85), under 12 (born on or after 01/01/83) and under 14 (born on or after 01/01/81), boys and girls, with the participation of representatives from the Federations affiliated which FIDE. The participation was very good, with 263 players from many countries.The players top placed in each category are : etc...
Cala Galdana Menorca in the Balearic Islands is the venue of the World Youth Chess Festival between 20th October and the 3rd November 1996. This FIDE event is endorsed by the United Nations and is an annual event. The competition has under 10,12,14,16 and 18 sections for both boys and girls. It will produce 10 Champions altogether. The events are 11 round Swiss events. The leaders of these events are not guaranteed to go on to be professional players but this year there were quite a number of quite well known figures playing in the tournaments. Probably the most interesting event was the Boys under 14 event with Etienne Bacrot as its star. He had a very good Olympiad and has recently beaten ex-World Champion Vassily Smyslov 5-1 in a match. Did he win? No in fact he came 5th a point and a half behind the winner after losing to him in last round game. He was level with Ganguly who beat a strong GM last year in India. The winner was Gabriel Sargissian who beat Ganguly and Bacrot on the way to the title. Azerbaijan and India seem to have quite strong junior programs in train, and China also has a few high profile names but not as many as might have been expected given their interest in chess. Alek Gershon won the under 16 section above a number of more highly rated players after winning an extremely odd game in the last round. The under-18 section Rafael Leitao from Brazil took the under 18 section. etc..
One interesting fact is the numbering. So 1985 would be the first world youth chess festival? This would explain part of brasilbase numbering. Anyway, here is my best guess so far
etc..
The big question to me is whether there were U10 and U12 sections in 1985. Also, if we are to believe brasilbase, some girls sections started later. In any case, I think we should split the World Infant Cup out. Voorlandt ( talk) 20:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
All of the 4 sources (brasilbase, Delaire, xoomer, berry) state that Dorote Ivaniuk won the girls U14 event in '94. Even the sum up of this tournament in the article here says that Ivaniuk was the winner. Still Rusudan Goletiani holds the place in the table and in her article. Is that because Sam Sloan kept insisting that she won 3 Youth World Championships to have a stronger point in his accusations against the Executive Board whereas in fact she only won the U16? If he got the birthplace of Gashimov wrong in his statements he might have exaggerated when listing her titles. -- Gereon K. ( talk) 23:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Informant 27, page 253 lists a December 1978-January 1979 World Cadet Championship at Sas Van Gent won by Motwani (presumably Paul Motwani of Scotland) with 9/11, followed by Huergo and Short with 8/11, etc. Our article doesn't seem to mention this tournament at all. Informant 28, page 289 lists another World Cadet Championship (this one at Belfort), also an 11-round tournament, in July 1979. Our article does mention this tournament, saying that Marcelo Javier Tempone was the winner. Informant 28 gives "1-2. Tempone, Short 8, 3. Morovic 8, 4. Milos 7 1/2" etc. This implies that Tempone, Short, and Morovic all scored 8 points, and Tempone and Short were co-winners on tiebreak(?!) Sorry to be introducing confusion rather than clarity . . . . Krakatoa ( talk) 02:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Here is a summary of all outstanding and conflicting results:
That's it! Would be good to find first hand sources for these. Voorlandt ( talk) 14:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
1. I found conflicting winners for 1988 boys U10: Jorge Zamora [14] (he also won some U12, but we don't have him as such) or John Viloria [15]
2. Susan polgar U16 in 1981 or 1982? Note that both years have a link to her website...: 1981: [17], [18], [19] (the first link is an interview with her parents, who say: n 1981 Zsuzsa played in the world U-16 Championship in westergate (England) and won it. She was only 12 then. ) 1982: [20], [21], [22], Susan Polgar
4. Conflicting results for 1982 U16 (both ref from chessgames): Zdenko Kozul [23]; Evgeny Bareev [24]
5. Jorge Zamora won apparently an U12 tournament, which one was it? (see discussion on this page)
The format of the references needs to be fixed. Make them standard. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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She won the U-16 in 1997 and U-20 in 2000, as is stated in her article. But my question is, could she not also be the 1995 U-14 winner also? This is credited to a Xu Xuun Yuan, who would be the same age as Xu Yuanyuan and whose name sounds incredibly similar. Any way to check this out? Brittle heaven ( talk) 22:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the recent revert and did a little digging – Xu Yuanyuan's personal website and Baidu Baike entry both claim that she won the U14 championship, and while neither qualifies as an RS, a Tsinghua University news article ( republished by Xinhua) about her visit there in 2006 corroborates the assertion and could be cited. Cobblet ( talk) 04:14, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
CHESS magazine Oct 1989, gives a full list of winners for the event in Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, the list disagrees on the boys' U-12 winner - giving Marcin Kaminsky (POL), 8½ points. There are no 2nd / 3rd places given, so Jorge Zamora does not get a mention. Not sure how to resolve this one? Brittle heaven ( talk) 20:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Browsing through a number of publications, I am coming to the conclusion that the early editions of this category (from Mestel onwards) were in fact under-18, not under-16. Unfortunately, I can't piece together the whole story, but looking at Brasilbase, you note that whilst these early editions sit above the under-16 results, they are not described as U-16 themselves. They have (I think) been put there because at some point, the "Cadets" category switched from U-18 to U-16, so the name is the common element, not the age group. Our article is therefore misleading as it titles all editions as U-16. Perhaps some more research is needed to fully clear this up, and discover when the crossover happened. Brittle heaven ( talk) 20:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Because they are no longer online, I post them here for now, until the year is covered in the "notes" section.
Place: CITY OF SAO LOURENCO - STATE OF MINAS GERAIS - BRAZIL Date: OCTOBER 17 TO 28, 1995. The 11th World Youth Chess Festival was realized in October, 17 to 28, at Sao Lourenco City, Brazil, by FIDE and Brazilian Chess Federation. Sao Lourenco is an agreeable resort inland the State of Minas Gerais and it is located 386 km from Belo Horizonte, the state capital, 290 km from Sao Paulo, and 275 km from Rio de Janeiro. Sao Lourenco has 30,000 inhabitants and the average temperature in the month of October is 25 Celsius degrees. The city has a wonderful mineral water park with a lake and hoots baths. This Festival covered the World Chess Championships under 10 (born on or after 01/01/85), under 12 (born on or after 01/01/83) and under 14 (born on or after 01/01/81), boys and girls, with the participation of representatives from the Federations affiliated which FIDE. The participation was very good, with 263 players from many countries.The players top placed in each category are : etc...
Cala Galdana Menorca in the Balearic Islands is the venue of the World Youth Chess Festival between 20th October and the 3rd November 1996. This FIDE event is endorsed by the United Nations and is an annual event. The competition has under 10,12,14,16 and 18 sections for both boys and girls. It will produce 10 Champions altogether. The events are 11 round Swiss events. The leaders of these events are not guaranteed to go on to be professional players but this year there were quite a number of quite well known figures playing in the tournaments. Probably the most interesting event was the Boys under 14 event with Etienne Bacrot as its star. He had a very good Olympiad and has recently beaten ex-World Champion Vassily Smyslov 5-1 in a match. Did he win? No in fact he came 5th a point and a half behind the winner after losing to him in last round game. He was level with Ganguly who beat a strong GM last year in India. The winner was Gabriel Sargissian who beat Ganguly and Bacrot on the way to the title. Azerbaijan and India seem to have quite strong junior programs in train, and China also has a few high profile names but not as many as might have been expected given their interest in chess. Alek Gershon won the under 16 section above a number of more highly rated players after winning an extremely odd game in the last round. The under-18 section Rafael Leitao from Brazil took the under 18 section. etc..
One interesting fact is the numbering. So 1985 would be the first world youth chess festival? This would explain part of brasilbase numbering. Anyway, here is my best guess so far
etc..
The big question to me is whether there were U10 and U12 sections in 1985. Also, if we are to believe brasilbase, some girls sections started later. In any case, I think we should split the World Infant Cup out. Voorlandt ( talk) 20:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
All of the 4 sources (brasilbase, Delaire, xoomer, berry) state that Dorote Ivaniuk won the girls U14 event in '94. Even the sum up of this tournament in the article here says that Ivaniuk was the winner. Still Rusudan Goletiani holds the place in the table and in her article. Is that because Sam Sloan kept insisting that she won 3 Youth World Championships to have a stronger point in his accusations against the Executive Board whereas in fact she only won the U16? If he got the birthplace of Gashimov wrong in his statements he might have exaggerated when listing her titles. -- Gereon K. ( talk) 23:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Informant 27, page 253 lists a December 1978-January 1979 World Cadet Championship at Sas Van Gent won by Motwani (presumably Paul Motwani of Scotland) with 9/11, followed by Huergo and Short with 8/11, etc. Our article doesn't seem to mention this tournament at all. Informant 28, page 289 lists another World Cadet Championship (this one at Belfort), also an 11-round tournament, in July 1979. Our article does mention this tournament, saying that Marcelo Javier Tempone was the winner. Informant 28 gives "1-2. Tempone, Short 8, 3. Morovic 8, 4. Milos 7 1/2" etc. This implies that Tempone, Short, and Morovic all scored 8 points, and Tempone and Short were co-winners on tiebreak(?!) Sorry to be introducing confusion rather than clarity . . . . Krakatoa ( talk) 02:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Here is a summary of all outstanding and conflicting results:
That's it! Would be good to find first hand sources for these. Voorlandt ( talk) 14:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
1. I found conflicting winners for 1988 boys U10: Jorge Zamora [14] (he also won some U12, but we don't have him as such) or John Viloria [15]
2. Susan polgar U16 in 1981 or 1982? Note that both years have a link to her website...: 1981: [17], [18], [19] (the first link is an interview with her parents, who say: n 1981 Zsuzsa played in the world U-16 Championship in westergate (England) and won it. She was only 12 then. ) 1982: [20], [21], [22], Susan Polgar
4. Conflicting results for 1982 U16 (both ref from chessgames): Zdenko Kozul [23]; Evgeny Bareev [24]
5. Jorge Zamora won apparently an U12 tournament, which one was it? (see discussion on this page)
The format of the references needs to be fixed. Make them standard. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)