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I just added a picture of the main office in the US Headquarters office complex. This is not entirely appropriate, because World Vision is an international organization and there is not room for pictures of the main office in every country. However, the US office is special because the organization was founded in that country. Also as of right now, the only pages for country specific World Vision branches are for India and Australia. Perhaps in time if or when an article gets created specifically for World Vision USA, then this picture would be more appropriate there only, but until someone does more work I think it is appropriate to keep this picture on this general page about World Vision. It might be appropriate to show the US office here anyway. Any objections? Blue Rasberry 22:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
This article's historical background seems a bit too good to be true. I already revised it to make it seem a little more encyclopedic in style, but I'm still not sure about the factual accuracy. World Vision's official site says on their about us page [ [1]] "Dr. Bob Pierce began World Vision to help children orphaned in the Korean War. To provide long-term, ongoing care for children in crisis, World Vision developed its first child sponsorship program in Korea in 1953." However, the article as it stands first says that WV was founded in 1950 in the U.S. and then in the history section that it was started by Dr. Bob Pierce in China. Also would it be bad etiquette to remove the irrelevant material below this on the talk page? Edonovan 04:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, to everybody. As I read in the German Wikipedia, World Vision is there connected to the Family in a historical context. "World Vision ist in seinen historischen Wurzeln verknüpft mit dem evangelikalen Netzwerk The Family." English translation: “Word Vision is historically connected to the evangelical net “the Family”. Is this just a misunderstanding in Germany? As I understood Sharlett the conection is between two persons and not between two organisations until today, and even not in a historical view. Maybe somebody could help. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.54.39.90 ( talk) 18:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi There – This is in response to the unsigned question above. I work for World Vision in the United States, so I’m sure that you’ll want to continue to seek other third-party sources. Nonetheless, I’ve done some research with our finance, legal and partnership teams to see if there is any connection with the Fellowship Foundation (the group Sharlett refers to as “The Family.) According to our legal and financial records, World Vision does not have, nor has it historically had, an organizational relationship or connection with the Fellowship Foundation. In the 1950s, one of World Vision’s former leaders, Richard Halverson was also influential in the development of the National Prayer Breakfast, which the Fellowship Foundation coordinates. That connection, however, was personal and individual, not organizational. As far as I’ve been able to discover, the idea that the two groups are somehow linked seems to be a misunderstanding. Ap1053 ( talk) 19:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC) Ap1053
I've removed all comments on THIS PAGE (Talk) about how cool World Vision is, how important their mission is, etc. The purpose of a talk page is to discuss what should and should not be in the article, when someone has a question, or something is controversial. Wikipedia talk pages are NOT intended to be message boards. John Broughton 17:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
While it is reasonably neutral to report that there are conspiracy theorists who think that World Vision is a CIA front, the statement "These claims whilst outrageous, do make logical sense..." is an opinion and also not NPOV. Thatcher131 02:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
While attemping to present a balanced article we must still be careful to present an accurate perspective. reasonably/neutrally reporting that consipiracy theories exist may ultimately distort the perspective. for example, some may believe that the United States of America has been infiltrated by Aliens. however in the article on the United States, this information would be considered unverifiable, and would not be considered relevant by a reasonable person. Clearthinker00 20:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The official name of the organization is World Vision International so the main article should be at that page with a redirect from World Vision Thatcher131 02:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
No it is the wrong name. What is called World Vision in the US is called World Vision US from outside. Worldwide World Vision International is acting as World Vision, but the trademark is owned by World Vision Inc. (i.e. World Vision US). All partners of World Vision International are called World Vision in their countries whether they are independent (Like WV US, Canada or Germany) or dependent from World Vision International. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 18:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
At the personal page of Karl_Habsburg-Lothringen some notes about the World vision scandal in Austria are mentioned. Could somebody please add additional information about it?
Without a verifiable reference we cannot overcome ambiguity: is the World Vision referenced in this article even the same as the international relief/development organization? where did the author get this information? Clearthinker00 19:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
"Quick&Dirty" translation: World Vision has been active in Austria since 1976. The first Group to do so, World Vision Österreich - Christliches Hilfswerk, was closed down by World Vision International after massive criminal activities of its Austrian CEO. A second organisation called World Vision - Gesellschaft für Entwicklungshilfe und Völkerverständigung was founded after this in 1998 and has been working there ever since.
The first structure „World Vision Österreich – Christliches Hilfswerk“ was shut down in November 1998, after internal checks of World Vision International had found irregularities in its bookkeeping and the documentation of its child sponsorship-programm.(Source: Austrian Development Agency: World Vision Österreich: Kofinanzierte Projekte in Afrika. Archive 04/1999.(German))
The media response to the scandal was quite high in Austria since the grandson of Austria's last emperor was involved. Karl von Habsburg who was also a Menber of the European Parliament at that time was a Member of "World Vision Österreich"'s board. Two investigations ("peer reviews") by World Vision proofed irregularities. An investigastion by the Austrian police showed lateron an massive embezzlement of funds by its CEO Martina Krones-Taurer. While the investigations still were ongoing the Groups rights to use the name of WV were revoked and a new structure founded. ( resume in the magazine "Datum" (German)). Investigations by KPMG auditor proofed financial transactions to the International Paneuropean Union using funds for the EU-election campaign 1996. (hagalil.com: „Unkorrekte Geldflüsse“ - Nach Prüfbericht steigt Druck auf Habsburg) (German). Martina Taurer-Krones ( Die Presse: Betrugsprozess: Krones-Taurer erneut angeklagt. 26.01.2007) and her husband went to trial and were accused among other charges to have embezzled 1,1 Millionen Euro in funds for privat purposes like vacations and sportscars. Following long investigations the trial started in November 2003. She was sentenced to 3 years prison in September 2004 (no probation), her husband as a complice to 2 years (probation granted).
"World Vision - Gesellschaft für Entwicklungshilfe und Völkerverständigung" started its activities in 1998. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nemissimo II ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC). -- Nemissimo II 10:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The German article was split and massive updated. Look at de:World Vision Österreich. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 18:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I think it is wrong to use $1Bn the 2005 figure for two reasons: (1) the auditted accounts aren't signed off (2) there is a lot of exception tsunami income which inflates things compared to a typcial year. Anyone agree? -- BozMo[[user_talk:BozMo|talk]] 14:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
According to World Vision financial statements, $1bn is far below the 2005 partnership-wide financial figures. Also, the 2005 figures were audited by PriceWaterhouse Coopers. According to the most current financial statements, since 2005 World Vision's non-disaster income has also risen so that $1bn is still a low and innacurate figure. Clearthinker00 19:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The following statements were removed for verification: "Yet, World Vision is not respectful of other faiths. It engages in proselytism and religious coercion."
These statements could be quite harmful to the reputation of the World Vision and hinder the efforts of this and other charitable organizations. They should only be reinserted into the article if accompanied with a verifiable and reputable source.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) .
Well proselytism is given. Its a missionairy org. Coercion up for discussion. Bakaman Bakatalk 13:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
According to World Vision, their organization does not proselytize, nor does it coerce. Additionally, World Vision does not claim to be a missionary organization. Identifying them as such seems to demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the history and mission of the organization, or perhaps a simple misunderstanding of what constitutes a missionary organization. The speculative reference to proselytism and coercion should be removed from the article unless verifiable references are provided.
According to the Dictionary.com definition of Proselytize: To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine. To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.
According to the World Vision Partnership Mission Statement: ""World Vision is an international partnership of Christians whose mission is to follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice and bear witness to the good news of the kingdom of God.
World Vision pursues its mission through integrated, holistic commitment to: Transformational development that is community-based and sustainable, focused especially on the needs of children; Emergency relief that assists people afflicted by conflict or disaster; Promotion of justice that seeks to change unjust structures affecting the poor among whom we work; Partnerships with churches to contribute to spiritual and social transformation; Public awareness that leads to informed understanding, giving, involvement and prayer; Witness to Jesus Christ by life, deed, word and sign that encourages people to respond to the Gospel.""
There is no alignment between World Vision's mission statement (i.e. practices), and the definition of proselytizing.
Clearthinker00 19:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
These quotes are from the article. "World Vision is an ecumenical organization willing to partner with all Christian churches. Yet, World Vision is respectful of other faiths.
World Vision believes witnessing from Christ is a fundamental part of their relief work. The organization believes that God, in the person of Jesus, offers hope of renewal, restoration, and reconciliation. World Vision seeks to express this message through "life, deed, word, and sign"."
The first paragraph clearly contradicts the second. How is witnessing (i.e. proselytizing) respectful of other faiths? This article needs to be more balanced instead of a blatant endorsement of the hateful coercion this group engages in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.241.160 ( talk) 05:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
To be respectful of other faiths does not require the denial of one's own. It is perfectly possible to share one's faith in a respectful manner, just like it's possible for a democrat and a republican to have a respectful discussion about politics. In many Christian traditions, witnessing is not the high-pressure sales style commonly associated with, e.g. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, but is centered in lifestyle and friendly discussion. It is a logical fallacy to automatically conflate such witnessing with disrespect.
Naturally, of course, most Christians believe that their religion is the best, or they wouldn't hold to it. The same goes for Muslims, Buddhists, Baha'i, Wiccans, Wikipedians... ;) Holding openly to one is not the same as disrepecting the rest, any more than openly owning a PS3 is the same as disrespecting the XBOX 360. There's no disrespect involved in saying "Check out this PS3 game."
Of course, there are always fanbois, but what discussion doesn't have those? 71.105.3.130 ( talk) 20:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
You're right. There's no disrespect involved in saying Check out this PS3 game. But there is disrespect in saying "Check out this PS3 game, but first take these essentials for surviving and thriving and thank the PS3 game for getting them for you." Also, in reference to "Clearthinker"'s comment above. Was that a typo or sarcasm when you said there was no connection between the definition of proselytism and World Vision's mission statement? Because the whole "Partnerships with churches to contribute to social and spiritual transformations", "Public awareness that leads to informed understanding, giving, involvement, and PRAYER"(capitalization for emphasis is mine) seem to be a clear connection between what World VIsion does and proselytizing. Readding that section. -- Mobtown Mongrel ( talk) 15:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Escheffel 20:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Clearthinker00 19:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Instead of links to World Vision's offices in every corner of the globe, why not a few links to news stories about W.V., and to verifiable studies by charity watchdogs on what percentage of the group's funding goes toward administrative costs, etc.? Escheffel 23:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Bakaman Bakatalk 02:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The following points show World Vision has evangelical roots, but that doesn't prove that the organization is overtly evangelistic or coercive. Though the two terms are often confused, evangelicalism is different from evangelism. That's why each has a separate article on Wikipedia. Mdmcginn ( talk) 17:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Richard Stearns, „President of World Vision USA“, is a member of (ECI) and describes himself evangelical(see
Evangelical Christians and Israel/Palestine and
Evangelicals for Social Action).
Bob Seiple has been „President of World Vision USA“ for eleven years (until 1998). He founded the World Visions Institute for Global Engagement (IGE) on the campus of the Eastern University, St. Davids
Pennsylvania which is considered the organization's international
Think tank. The organization has been offering an „Global MBA in partnership with World Vision“ together with „Eastern School of International Leadership and Development“ since the 90s and is although considered to be evangelical on a regular bases.
I happen to think (as someone who works for a non-religious relief organisation of a similar size) that the article isn't that bad. I also quite like World Vision though (and we partner them in some places so I cannot claim to be NPOV). A few queries though: last time I checked although World Vision had a mission to help everyone you could only work for them if you were a committed Christian. Is that still true and is it true everywhere? Seems pretty relevant to me. Also I have noticed on the Google Video Tony Campolo advert for Compassion that Compassion promises to "evangelise" every child they sponsor (and Tony says "I just know she'll love the Lord"). Despite being a Christian I found that deeply disturbing. Can we get a position on whether WV does this (which I think is of interest given the vulnerable position of a sponsored child ref the organisation they are helped by)? -- BozMo talk 19:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
According to World Vision, employees in context-sensitive countries (Islamic Republic's like Mauritania, etc) are frequently of other faiths such as Muslim. However, outside context-sensitive countries, employees are required to sign a Christian Commitment statement. In most countries (United States and UK for example) World Vision is legally a church, and are protected in their employment practices. Clearthinker00 00:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
In regards to the query on who can work for World Vision, I know that employees of World Vision Australia (The 2nd largest member of the World Vision Partnership), despite not being located in a context-sensitive country, are not required to be Christian or sign a Christian Commitment statement, but rather need to agree only with the values of the organisation, one of which is "We are Christian". World Vision Australia is not a church, and abides by equal opportunity laws. It is my understanding that each member of the World Vision Partnership that makes up World Vision International decides on its own employment policy. -- Sand82 08:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I work for World Vision in New Zealand and I've never signed or heard of a "Christian Commitment statement", and not all of my co-workers identify themselves as Christian (besides, to anyone who reads their Bible, Christianity is about actions, not beliefs). This "Christian commitment" thing seems to be unique to the US - I've editted the page based on evidence from NZ and Australia (if anyone can clarify further, please do). 203.109.237.60 ( talk) 08:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I have issued a massive clean up to this section of the article as it was just getting excessive and not consistent with WP:NOT. All country sites can be accessed via their international portal, so there is no use linking to each individual country site. thewinchester 13:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed the merger of articles World Vision Australia and World Vision India into this article. These articles in their own right add little information about themselves, and would be best treated within this article under a new section titled global activities. From there, the activities of these two areas and many more can be documented better. Discussion is being transcluded to the talk pages of the other two articles to ensure all interested parties can be made aware. thewinchester 13:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
The articles says "World Vision International operates as a federation of interdependent national offices, each overseen by their own boards or advisory councils." That the office in each country has its own board should be taken into account. Perhaps this makes them too independent to be combined? Also is there a page for the US World Vision Office, or should that be merged in here too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.100.82.59 ( talk) 03:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I reassessed this page because it lacks references and the article needs clean up in general. Killiondude ( talk) 05:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to remove this article from WP Africa. The article states that this organization aids in 97 countries. Last time I checked, there weren't 97 countries in Africa, so they must be doing stuff elsewhere in the world as well. A quick glance shows aid is being provided by World Vision to Turkey, China, as well as countries in Africa. So unless we attach each country's/continent's WikiProject to this article (which would be a nightmare), I suggest removing Africa because that is unfair to the work they do elsewhere in the world. I'll remove it for now, and if anybody disagrees we can discuss it here. Killiondude ( talk) 08:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I just marked the page as needing attention on both WikiProject Christianity and WP Organizations. The page is somewhat of a mess. It lacks a lot of citations, it has been tagged for neutrality, and the prose needs to be connected into one unified article instead of choppy sections. Killiondude ( talk) 08:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid my english knowledge is not profound enough to help you in an adequate time. But our German articles on WV are quiet detailed and full of even English citations (and more on the talk pages). I'm not in english wikipedia on a regular basis, so if you need specific help please write on my German talkpage at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Diskriminierung and I will try to help you. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 13:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
"Foreign Correspondent replied to World Vision. In part, that response reads: "Foreign Correspondent sought answers from World Vision representatives on why the organisation's literature creates the impression that donated money goes directly to the sponsor child. The World Vision representative failed to adequately respond to the questions and instead outlined the community projects where sponsor money is spent. Foreign Correspondent does not dispute the integrity of World Vision projects but questions the way sponsorship is promoted to the public. In its response, World Vision has ignored the reporter's surprise at finding his sponsor child speaks no English, yet he has been receiving regular reports from the organisation that she's learning English at school and has a good command of the language..., Andrew Geoghegan has sponsored Tsehaynesh Delago for a decade and yet she claims she was unaware, until recently, that she had a sponsor and says the only benefit she has ever received directly from World Vision is a pen and the denim jacket she wore on the day of filming."[citation needed]
Some[who?] argue that the very concept of Christian aid relief to post-colonial countries is hypocritical in nature as the root cause of poverty, conflict and injustice in those areas is a consequence of the colonialism imposed in the name of Christianity. It is argued that organizations like World Vision de-politicize complex issues by offering an oversimplified, superficial solution that leaves the original, imperialist, eurocentric, 'paternalistic' power hierarchy intact."
Although it's argued, it seems like through the use of wikipedia's extensive language base, this person has managed to make his sentence seem as though it's realistic. He hasn't cited the quote, or who argue over the Christian aspect. 75.157.52.134 ( talk) 23:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
proselytizing is a concern. Does anyone know of any reports? I know that Samaritans purse has a history of making catholics in latin america attend evangelical worships services before giving aid to them and that world vision is closely associated with it. Peppermintschnapps ( talk) 19:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Prosselytizing nowadays is forbidden for humanitarien relief organisations like world vision. So there should be no recent report on that. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 13:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Samaritans purse has no direct connection. It was founded by Pierce after he was fired from World Vision US. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 17:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
When you read this article it is hardly possible to determinate when it speeks of World Vision International and when of World Vision United States or another national organisation. We have six different articles on World Vision in Germany because of notable differences between the two above and World Vision Austria (which existed twice due to a funding scandal), World Vision Germany and its notable branches the German World Vision Childre Study and the German World Vision Children Award.
Are there no differences to World Vision Australia oder Japan or Uganda or (South) Korea? -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 13:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
What does "evangelical" mean regarding WV. Does WV have explicit written evenagelical positions and if true wich ones. Is the work of WV an evangelical one (spreading the bible as the only truth). Or does WV only have an evangelical historical background and a strong support by - beside other - evangelical groups ? -- Arcy ( talk) 18:44, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Arcy and me are involved in an big discussion on this issue at the German Wikipedia. On de:Diskussion:World Vision International#NUR_.E2.80.9ENennung.E2.80.9C der Quellen zu christlich.2C protestantisch.2C evangelical etc. You can find a huge collection of sources relating to that question. Most of the sources are in English. But our hardest problem is to translate one specific word: "evangelical". Since there ist not only one definition of evangelical it can be translated as "evangelisch", "evangelikal" or protestant relating to the context. To complicate all this a lot of the sources do not discriminate between de:World Vision United States (or World Vision Inc.) as we do, de:World Vision International and de:World Vision Deutschland (Germany). On the other hand a few sources differentiate between these three and indicate, that World Vision US is indeed evangelical in the conservative style we would translate with "evangelikal", but other sources indicate that it is parachurch or interdenominational including pentacost and catholic views. And some see World Vision International as "evangelical protestant" (I cannot translate this combination into German).
But we have nearly no sources about World Vision as a "non-religious relief organization". Where can I find such sources? -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 17:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
You can get the old Logo from http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4002:retkj5.7.49 or from here: [3] as SVG. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 09:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Does it really make sense to have six different Interwiki links? While I am part of the discussions on the German Wikipedia surrounding the multiple articles about different World Vision organizations, and can understand how that was broken down on the German Wikipedia, I would point out that 1) it is not an established consensus that this is a good thing there (having multiple articles), but this is still under discussion, and 2) even if it is a good thing there, that does not mean that this English article adequately describes the Austrian World Vision sufficiently to merit an Interwiki link to de:World Vision Österreich, for example--perhaps the :en-article is really only about World Vision International or World Vision Inc. (the latter being the US-based organization). What do the authors of this article (here in :en-WP) think their article describes?-- Bhuck ( talk) 14:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Every section of this article, except for the criticisms section(and even that is light on criticisms relating to World Visions proselytism(sp), evangelism, and potential coercion), reads like it was taken straight from World Vision pamphlets encouraging people to volunteer for and/or donate to the organization. I tagged it accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mobtown Mongrel ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
The second paragraph of "History" reads like a sappy sentimental story about the owner designed to tug the heartstrings of potential contributors and may not even be factual, since there's no source cited(which could possibly mean it's from Pierce and/or the organization itself, which is not a valid enough source considering what the claim is). In the section "Organizational Structure", there's no source for "an ongoing peer review system", or "held accountable". Lastly, the majority of the actual information(excluding the criticism section for the obvious reason) is sourced to World Vision itself, which can't be relied on as a neutral source(not saying that World Vision lies to make itself look better, just saying that we don't know(and can't assume) that they're NOT lieing to make themselves look better).--
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Hi my name is Alicia and I attend Syracuse University. For my political science class I am required to contribute at least 20 paragraphs of information to an article about a NGO. I have chosen to research and edit the World Vision article for the next month. I would appreciate any and feedback you have and help! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajcoll02 ( talk • contribs)
I tried editing for the first time today by just adding a small part to the criticisms section. If anyone finds any issues with it just let me know! Also, as I was reading over the article I noticed that parts of it seem hastily written. Would anyone object to me just cleaning it up a little and making it sound more professional? I was also wondering if there was any particular spots someone would like me to focus on. I have done a lot of research but I am a little overwhelmed on where to start and feel as if most of this article needs a lot of work! Let me know if you have any ideas! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajcoll02 ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:52, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
user:Diskriminierung just changed the article title from "World Vision" to "World Vision United States". I am not sure that this is appropriate because I think that the name of the organization is "World Vision". What is the actual name? I have no objection to renaming the article to "World Vision (United States)". Blue Rasberry (talk) 04:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to point out that it seems some kind of changes in the article is going on recently. World Vision International was a stub article till 26th April. Now a lot of material has been moved to the World_Vision_International the headquarter of which is in London. Does this have any significance at all?..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 07:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisthat2011 ( talk • contribs)
It appears that the move was against consensus and probably should be reverted. However things got complicated as the same user also created World Vision International in which it copy-pasted (without attribution) material from this article. To make everything even more messy, both articles have been extensively edited since. I know almost nothing about this organisation, but in terms of procedure was completely wrong, and as a reader I am confused now. The questions are:
-- Elekhh ( talk) 09:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move - No one has formally supported the move of World Vision United States to World Vision. Discussion has reached a point where this option is not really being considered, but other moving and merging options are; still, even that discussion died out more than two weeks ago. Neelix ( talk) 01:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
World Vision United States → World Vision – Relisted. Currently the discussion is more about a merge/rewrite rather then a simple move. Leaving the discussion open to allow that discussion to continue. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC) The articles title was originally "World Vision" and was changed without giving a reason or consent to the new title "World Vision United States", which is no official name (see also discussion above). MTYM ( talk) 22:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
The current article lead needs a bit of tweaking IMO, but nothing above seems a valid rationale for the proposed move.
I think we need an article on specifically on World Vision International. But I suspect we need a separate article on the original body too, and the exact relationship between this original body and the current US branch of WVI needs to be set out more clearly. Perhaps there is even a case for three articles.
So far as this move goes, it needs to be justified in terms of WP:AT and WP:DAB, but we need to be clear exactly what the scope of this article should be before we can decide, and it's a bit tricky. Andrewa ( talk) 13:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I do not know what else to say, but here are my assertions:
For these reasons, the articles should be merged. I do not accept your assertion that there is sufficient evidence to keep the articles apart. I recognize that you have said the articles have different content, but this is only because the original article was split and some content went to one and some content went to the other. Other users have added content to both articles since then, but I do not believe they consciously distinguished WVI from the US branch and would have been confused to learn of the split. Could you please point to sources for World Vision International which indicate that it does work which does not involve a national branch, or which somehow differentiate it from a national branch? Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not really clear on Wikipedia policy, so as an employee of World Vision US, I am submitting a few small changes here instead of directly editing the article.
Please adjust
From 1966 on the organisation used in business also the name to "World Vision International"[5] but from 1977 on this name was reserved for the umbrella organisation World Vision International.[6][7] and the founding organization as a member of world vision international is called world vision united states whenever a distinction is necessary.
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From 1966 on the organisation used in business also the name to "World Vision International"[5] but from 1977 on this name was reserved for the umbrella organisation World Vision International.[6][7] and the founding organization as a member of World Vision International is called World Vision United States whenever a distinction is necessary.
That is, simply capitalization of the organizations at the end of this section
World Vision International is called World Vision United States
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I just added a picture of the main office in the US Headquarters office complex. This is not entirely appropriate, because World Vision is an international organization and there is not room for pictures of the main office in every country. However, the US office is special because the organization was founded in that country. Also as of right now, the only pages for country specific World Vision branches are for India and Australia. Perhaps in time if or when an article gets created specifically for World Vision USA, then this picture would be more appropriate there only, but until someone does more work I think it is appropriate to keep this picture on this general page about World Vision. It might be appropriate to show the US office here anyway. Any objections? Blue Rasberry 22:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
This article's historical background seems a bit too good to be true. I already revised it to make it seem a little more encyclopedic in style, but I'm still not sure about the factual accuracy. World Vision's official site says on their about us page [ [1]] "Dr. Bob Pierce began World Vision to help children orphaned in the Korean War. To provide long-term, ongoing care for children in crisis, World Vision developed its first child sponsorship program in Korea in 1953." However, the article as it stands first says that WV was founded in 1950 in the U.S. and then in the history section that it was started by Dr. Bob Pierce in China. Also would it be bad etiquette to remove the irrelevant material below this on the talk page? Edonovan 04:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, to everybody. As I read in the German Wikipedia, World Vision is there connected to the Family in a historical context. "World Vision ist in seinen historischen Wurzeln verknüpft mit dem evangelikalen Netzwerk The Family." English translation: “Word Vision is historically connected to the evangelical net “the Family”. Is this just a misunderstanding in Germany? As I understood Sharlett the conection is between two persons and not between two organisations until today, and even not in a historical view. Maybe somebody could help. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.54.39.90 ( talk) 18:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi There – This is in response to the unsigned question above. I work for World Vision in the United States, so I’m sure that you’ll want to continue to seek other third-party sources. Nonetheless, I’ve done some research with our finance, legal and partnership teams to see if there is any connection with the Fellowship Foundation (the group Sharlett refers to as “The Family.) According to our legal and financial records, World Vision does not have, nor has it historically had, an organizational relationship or connection with the Fellowship Foundation. In the 1950s, one of World Vision’s former leaders, Richard Halverson was also influential in the development of the National Prayer Breakfast, which the Fellowship Foundation coordinates. That connection, however, was personal and individual, not organizational. As far as I’ve been able to discover, the idea that the two groups are somehow linked seems to be a misunderstanding. Ap1053 ( talk) 19:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC) Ap1053
I've removed all comments on THIS PAGE (Talk) about how cool World Vision is, how important their mission is, etc. The purpose of a talk page is to discuss what should and should not be in the article, when someone has a question, or something is controversial. Wikipedia talk pages are NOT intended to be message boards. John Broughton 17:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
While it is reasonably neutral to report that there are conspiracy theorists who think that World Vision is a CIA front, the statement "These claims whilst outrageous, do make logical sense..." is an opinion and also not NPOV. Thatcher131 02:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
While attemping to present a balanced article we must still be careful to present an accurate perspective. reasonably/neutrally reporting that consipiracy theories exist may ultimately distort the perspective. for example, some may believe that the United States of America has been infiltrated by Aliens. however in the article on the United States, this information would be considered unverifiable, and would not be considered relevant by a reasonable person. Clearthinker00 20:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The official name of the organization is World Vision International so the main article should be at that page with a redirect from World Vision Thatcher131 02:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
No it is the wrong name. What is called World Vision in the US is called World Vision US from outside. Worldwide World Vision International is acting as World Vision, but the trademark is owned by World Vision Inc. (i.e. World Vision US). All partners of World Vision International are called World Vision in their countries whether they are independent (Like WV US, Canada or Germany) or dependent from World Vision International. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 18:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
At the personal page of Karl_Habsburg-Lothringen some notes about the World vision scandal in Austria are mentioned. Could somebody please add additional information about it?
Without a verifiable reference we cannot overcome ambiguity: is the World Vision referenced in this article even the same as the international relief/development organization? where did the author get this information? Clearthinker00 19:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
"Quick&Dirty" translation: World Vision has been active in Austria since 1976. The first Group to do so, World Vision Österreich - Christliches Hilfswerk, was closed down by World Vision International after massive criminal activities of its Austrian CEO. A second organisation called World Vision - Gesellschaft für Entwicklungshilfe und Völkerverständigung was founded after this in 1998 and has been working there ever since.
The first structure „World Vision Österreich – Christliches Hilfswerk“ was shut down in November 1998, after internal checks of World Vision International had found irregularities in its bookkeeping and the documentation of its child sponsorship-programm.(Source: Austrian Development Agency: World Vision Österreich: Kofinanzierte Projekte in Afrika. Archive 04/1999.(German))
The media response to the scandal was quite high in Austria since the grandson of Austria's last emperor was involved. Karl von Habsburg who was also a Menber of the European Parliament at that time was a Member of "World Vision Österreich"'s board. Two investigations ("peer reviews") by World Vision proofed irregularities. An investigastion by the Austrian police showed lateron an massive embezzlement of funds by its CEO Martina Krones-Taurer. While the investigations still were ongoing the Groups rights to use the name of WV were revoked and a new structure founded. ( resume in the magazine "Datum" (German)). Investigations by KPMG auditor proofed financial transactions to the International Paneuropean Union using funds for the EU-election campaign 1996. (hagalil.com: „Unkorrekte Geldflüsse“ - Nach Prüfbericht steigt Druck auf Habsburg) (German). Martina Taurer-Krones ( Die Presse: Betrugsprozess: Krones-Taurer erneut angeklagt. 26.01.2007) and her husband went to trial and were accused among other charges to have embezzled 1,1 Millionen Euro in funds for privat purposes like vacations and sportscars. Following long investigations the trial started in November 2003. She was sentenced to 3 years prison in September 2004 (no probation), her husband as a complice to 2 years (probation granted).
"World Vision - Gesellschaft für Entwicklungshilfe und Völkerverständigung" started its activities in 1998. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nemissimo II ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC). -- Nemissimo II 10:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The German article was split and massive updated. Look at de:World Vision Österreich. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 18:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I think it is wrong to use $1Bn the 2005 figure for two reasons: (1) the auditted accounts aren't signed off (2) there is a lot of exception tsunami income which inflates things compared to a typcial year. Anyone agree? -- BozMo[[user_talk:BozMo|talk]] 14:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
According to World Vision financial statements, $1bn is far below the 2005 partnership-wide financial figures. Also, the 2005 figures were audited by PriceWaterhouse Coopers. According to the most current financial statements, since 2005 World Vision's non-disaster income has also risen so that $1bn is still a low and innacurate figure. Clearthinker00 19:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The following statements were removed for verification: "Yet, World Vision is not respectful of other faiths. It engages in proselytism and religious coercion."
These statements could be quite harmful to the reputation of the World Vision and hinder the efforts of this and other charitable organizations. They should only be reinserted into the article if accompanied with a verifiable and reputable source.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) .
Well proselytism is given. Its a missionairy org. Coercion up for discussion. Bakaman Bakatalk 13:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
According to World Vision, their organization does not proselytize, nor does it coerce. Additionally, World Vision does not claim to be a missionary organization. Identifying them as such seems to demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the history and mission of the organization, or perhaps a simple misunderstanding of what constitutes a missionary organization. The speculative reference to proselytism and coercion should be removed from the article unless verifiable references are provided.
According to the Dictionary.com definition of Proselytize: To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine. To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.
According to the World Vision Partnership Mission Statement: ""World Vision is an international partnership of Christians whose mission is to follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice and bear witness to the good news of the kingdom of God.
World Vision pursues its mission through integrated, holistic commitment to: Transformational development that is community-based and sustainable, focused especially on the needs of children; Emergency relief that assists people afflicted by conflict or disaster; Promotion of justice that seeks to change unjust structures affecting the poor among whom we work; Partnerships with churches to contribute to spiritual and social transformation; Public awareness that leads to informed understanding, giving, involvement and prayer; Witness to Jesus Christ by life, deed, word and sign that encourages people to respond to the Gospel.""
There is no alignment between World Vision's mission statement (i.e. practices), and the definition of proselytizing.
Clearthinker00 19:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
These quotes are from the article. "World Vision is an ecumenical organization willing to partner with all Christian churches. Yet, World Vision is respectful of other faiths.
World Vision believes witnessing from Christ is a fundamental part of their relief work. The organization believes that God, in the person of Jesus, offers hope of renewal, restoration, and reconciliation. World Vision seeks to express this message through "life, deed, word, and sign"."
The first paragraph clearly contradicts the second. How is witnessing (i.e. proselytizing) respectful of other faiths? This article needs to be more balanced instead of a blatant endorsement of the hateful coercion this group engages in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.241.160 ( talk) 05:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
To be respectful of other faiths does not require the denial of one's own. It is perfectly possible to share one's faith in a respectful manner, just like it's possible for a democrat and a republican to have a respectful discussion about politics. In many Christian traditions, witnessing is not the high-pressure sales style commonly associated with, e.g. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, but is centered in lifestyle and friendly discussion. It is a logical fallacy to automatically conflate such witnessing with disrespect.
Naturally, of course, most Christians believe that their religion is the best, or they wouldn't hold to it. The same goes for Muslims, Buddhists, Baha'i, Wiccans, Wikipedians... ;) Holding openly to one is not the same as disrepecting the rest, any more than openly owning a PS3 is the same as disrespecting the XBOX 360. There's no disrespect involved in saying "Check out this PS3 game."
Of course, there are always fanbois, but what discussion doesn't have those? 71.105.3.130 ( talk) 20:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
You're right. There's no disrespect involved in saying Check out this PS3 game. But there is disrespect in saying "Check out this PS3 game, but first take these essentials for surviving and thriving and thank the PS3 game for getting them for you." Also, in reference to "Clearthinker"'s comment above. Was that a typo or sarcasm when you said there was no connection between the definition of proselytism and World Vision's mission statement? Because the whole "Partnerships with churches to contribute to social and spiritual transformations", "Public awareness that leads to informed understanding, giving, involvement, and PRAYER"(capitalization for emphasis is mine) seem to be a clear connection between what World VIsion does and proselytizing. Readding that section. -- Mobtown Mongrel ( talk) 15:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Escheffel 20:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Clearthinker00 19:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Instead of links to World Vision's offices in every corner of the globe, why not a few links to news stories about W.V., and to verifiable studies by charity watchdogs on what percentage of the group's funding goes toward administrative costs, etc.? Escheffel 23:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Bakaman Bakatalk 02:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The following points show World Vision has evangelical roots, but that doesn't prove that the organization is overtly evangelistic or coercive. Though the two terms are often confused, evangelicalism is different from evangelism. That's why each has a separate article on Wikipedia. Mdmcginn ( talk) 17:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Richard Stearns, „President of World Vision USA“, is a member of (ECI) and describes himself evangelical(see
Evangelical Christians and Israel/Palestine and
Evangelicals for Social Action).
Bob Seiple has been „President of World Vision USA“ for eleven years (until 1998). He founded the World Visions Institute for Global Engagement (IGE) on the campus of the Eastern University, St. Davids
Pennsylvania which is considered the organization's international
Think tank. The organization has been offering an „Global MBA in partnership with World Vision“ together with „Eastern School of International Leadership and Development“ since the 90s and is although considered to be evangelical on a regular bases.
I happen to think (as someone who works for a non-religious relief organisation of a similar size) that the article isn't that bad. I also quite like World Vision though (and we partner them in some places so I cannot claim to be NPOV). A few queries though: last time I checked although World Vision had a mission to help everyone you could only work for them if you were a committed Christian. Is that still true and is it true everywhere? Seems pretty relevant to me. Also I have noticed on the Google Video Tony Campolo advert for Compassion that Compassion promises to "evangelise" every child they sponsor (and Tony says "I just know she'll love the Lord"). Despite being a Christian I found that deeply disturbing. Can we get a position on whether WV does this (which I think is of interest given the vulnerable position of a sponsored child ref the organisation they are helped by)? -- BozMo talk 19:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
According to World Vision, employees in context-sensitive countries (Islamic Republic's like Mauritania, etc) are frequently of other faiths such as Muslim. However, outside context-sensitive countries, employees are required to sign a Christian Commitment statement. In most countries (United States and UK for example) World Vision is legally a church, and are protected in their employment practices. Clearthinker00 00:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
In regards to the query on who can work for World Vision, I know that employees of World Vision Australia (The 2nd largest member of the World Vision Partnership), despite not being located in a context-sensitive country, are not required to be Christian or sign a Christian Commitment statement, but rather need to agree only with the values of the organisation, one of which is "We are Christian". World Vision Australia is not a church, and abides by equal opportunity laws. It is my understanding that each member of the World Vision Partnership that makes up World Vision International decides on its own employment policy. -- Sand82 08:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I work for World Vision in New Zealand and I've never signed or heard of a "Christian Commitment statement", and not all of my co-workers identify themselves as Christian (besides, to anyone who reads their Bible, Christianity is about actions, not beliefs). This "Christian commitment" thing seems to be unique to the US - I've editted the page based on evidence from NZ and Australia (if anyone can clarify further, please do). 203.109.237.60 ( talk) 08:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I have issued a massive clean up to this section of the article as it was just getting excessive and not consistent with WP:NOT. All country sites can be accessed via their international portal, so there is no use linking to each individual country site. thewinchester 13:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed the merger of articles World Vision Australia and World Vision India into this article. These articles in their own right add little information about themselves, and would be best treated within this article under a new section titled global activities. From there, the activities of these two areas and many more can be documented better. Discussion is being transcluded to the talk pages of the other two articles to ensure all interested parties can be made aware. thewinchester 13:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
The articles says "World Vision International operates as a federation of interdependent national offices, each overseen by their own boards or advisory councils." That the office in each country has its own board should be taken into account. Perhaps this makes them too independent to be combined? Also is there a page for the US World Vision Office, or should that be merged in here too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.100.82.59 ( talk) 03:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I reassessed this page because it lacks references and the article needs clean up in general. Killiondude ( talk) 05:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to remove this article from WP Africa. The article states that this organization aids in 97 countries. Last time I checked, there weren't 97 countries in Africa, so they must be doing stuff elsewhere in the world as well. A quick glance shows aid is being provided by World Vision to Turkey, China, as well as countries in Africa. So unless we attach each country's/continent's WikiProject to this article (which would be a nightmare), I suggest removing Africa because that is unfair to the work they do elsewhere in the world. I'll remove it for now, and if anybody disagrees we can discuss it here. Killiondude ( talk) 08:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I just marked the page as needing attention on both WikiProject Christianity and WP Organizations. The page is somewhat of a mess. It lacks a lot of citations, it has been tagged for neutrality, and the prose needs to be connected into one unified article instead of choppy sections. Killiondude ( talk) 08:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid my english knowledge is not profound enough to help you in an adequate time. But our German articles on WV are quiet detailed and full of even English citations (and more on the talk pages). I'm not in english wikipedia on a regular basis, so if you need specific help please write on my German talkpage at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Diskriminierung and I will try to help you. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 13:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
"Foreign Correspondent replied to World Vision. In part, that response reads: "Foreign Correspondent sought answers from World Vision representatives on why the organisation's literature creates the impression that donated money goes directly to the sponsor child. The World Vision representative failed to adequately respond to the questions and instead outlined the community projects where sponsor money is spent. Foreign Correspondent does not dispute the integrity of World Vision projects but questions the way sponsorship is promoted to the public. In its response, World Vision has ignored the reporter's surprise at finding his sponsor child speaks no English, yet he has been receiving regular reports from the organisation that she's learning English at school and has a good command of the language..., Andrew Geoghegan has sponsored Tsehaynesh Delago for a decade and yet she claims she was unaware, until recently, that she had a sponsor and says the only benefit she has ever received directly from World Vision is a pen and the denim jacket she wore on the day of filming."[citation needed]
Some[who?] argue that the very concept of Christian aid relief to post-colonial countries is hypocritical in nature as the root cause of poverty, conflict and injustice in those areas is a consequence of the colonialism imposed in the name of Christianity. It is argued that organizations like World Vision de-politicize complex issues by offering an oversimplified, superficial solution that leaves the original, imperialist, eurocentric, 'paternalistic' power hierarchy intact."
Although it's argued, it seems like through the use of wikipedia's extensive language base, this person has managed to make his sentence seem as though it's realistic. He hasn't cited the quote, or who argue over the Christian aspect. 75.157.52.134 ( talk) 23:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
proselytizing is a concern. Does anyone know of any reports? I know that Samaritans purse has a history of making catholics in latin america attend evangelical worships services before giving aid to them and that world vision is closely associated with it. Peppermintschnapps ( talk) 19:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Prosselytizing nowadays is forbidden for humanitarien relief organisations like world vision. So there should be no recent report on that. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 13:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Samaritans purse has no direct connection. It was founded by Pierce after he was fired from World Vision US. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 17:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
When you read this article it is hardly possible to determinate when it speeks of World Vision International and when of World Vision United States or another national organisation. We have six different articles on World Vision in Germany because of notable differences between the two above and World Vision Austria (which existed twice due to a funding scandal), World Vision Germany and its notable branches the German World Vision Childre Study and the German World Vision Children Award.
Are there no differences to World Vision Australia oder Japan or Uganda or (South) Korea? -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 13:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
What does "evangelical" mean regarding WV. Does WV have explicit written evenagelical positions and if true wich ones. Is the work of WV an evangelical one (spreading the bible as the only truth). Or does WV only have an evangelical historical background and a strong support by - beside other - evangelical groups ? -- Arcy ( talk) 18:44, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Arcy and me are involved in an big discussion on this issue at the German Wikipedia. On de:Diskussion:World Vision International#NUR_.E2.80.9ENennung.E2.80.9C der Quellen zu christlich.2C protestantisch.2C evangelical etc. You can find a huge collection of sources relating to that question. Most of the sources are in English. But our hardest problem is to translate one specific word: "evangelical". Since there ist not only one definition of evangelical it can be translated as "evangelisch", "evangelikal" or protestant relating to the context. To complicate all this a lot of the sources do not discriminate between de:World Vision United States (or World Vision Inc.) as we do, de:World Vision International and de:World Vision Deutschland (Germany). On the other hand a few sources differentiate between these three and indicate, that World Vision US is indeed evangelical in the conservative style we would translate with "evangelikal", but other sources indicate that it is parachurch or interdenominational including pentacost and catholic views. And some see World Vision International as "evangelical protestant" (I cannot translate this combination into German).
But we have nearly no sources about World Vision as a "non-religious relief organization". Where can I find such sources? -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 17:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
You can get the old Logo from http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4002:retkj5.7.49 or from here: [3] as SVG. -- Diskriminierung ( talk) 09:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Does it really make sense to have six different Interwiki links? While I am part of the discussions on the German Wikipedia surrounding the multiple articles about different World Vision organizations, and can understand how that was broken down on the German Wikipedia, I would point out that 1) it is not an established consensus that this is a good thing there (having multiple articles), but this is still under discussion, and 2) even if it is a good thing there, that does not mean that this English article adequately describes the Austrian World Vision sufficiently to merit an Interwiki link to de:World Vision Österreich, for example--perhaps the :en-article is really only about World Vision International or World Vision Inc. (the latter being the US-based organization). What do the authors of this article (here in :en-WP) think their article describes?-- Bhuck ( talk) 14:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Every section of this article, except for the criticisms section(and even that is light on criticisms relating to World Visions proselytism(sp), evangelism, and potential coercion), reads like it was taken straight from World Vision pamphlets encouraging people to volunteer for and/or donate to the organization. I tagged it accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mobtown Mongrel ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
The second paragraph of "History" reads like a sappy sentimental story about the owner designed to tug the heartstrings of potential contributors and may not even be factual, since there's no source cited(which could possibly mean it's from Pierce and/or the organization itself, which is not a valid enough source considering what the claim is). In the section "Organizational Structure", there's no source for "an ongoing peer review system", or "held accountable". Lastly, the majority of the actual information(excluding the criticism section for the obvious reason) is sourced to World Vision itself, which can't be relied on as a neutral source(not saying that World Vision lies to make itself look better, just saying that we don't know(and can't assume) that they're NOT lieing to make themselves look better).--
Mobtown Mongrel (
talk)
18:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi my name is Alicia and I attend Syracuse University. For my political science class I am required to contribute at least 20 paragraphs of information to an article about a NGO. I have chosen to research and edit the World Vision article for the next month. I would appreciate any and feedback you have and help! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajcoll02 ( talk • contribs)
I tried editing for the first time today by just adding a small part to the criticisms section. If anyone finds any issues with it just let me know! Also, as I was reading over the article I noticed that parts of it seem hastily written. Would anyone object to me just cleaning it up a little and making it sound more professional? I was also wondering if there was any particular spots someone would like me to focus on. I have done a lot of research but I am a little overwhelmed on where to start and feel as if most of this article needs a lot of work! Let me know if you have any ideas! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajcoll02 ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:52, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
user:Diskriminierung just changed the article title from "World Vision" to "World Vision United States". I am not sure that this is appropriate because I think that the name of the organization is "World Vision". What is the actual name? I have no objection to renaming the article to "World Vision (United States)". Blue Rasberry (talk) 04:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to point out that it seems some kind of changes in the article is going on recently. World Vision International was a stub article till 26th April. Now a lot of material has been moved to the World_Vision_International the headquarter of which is in London. Does this have any significance at all?..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 07:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisthat2011 ( talk • contribs)
It appears that the move was against consensus and probably should be reverted. However things got complicated as the same user also created World Vision International in which it copy-pasted (without attribution) material from this article. To make everything even more messy, both articles have been extensively edited since. I know almost nothing about this organisation, but in terms of procedure was completely wrong, and as a reader I am confused now. The questions are:
-- Elekhh ( talk) 09:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move - No one has formally supported the move of World Vision United States to World Vision. Discussion has reached a point where this option is not really being considered, but other moving and merging options are; still, even that discussion died out more than two weeks ago. Neelix ( talk) 01:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
World Vision United States → World Vision – Relisted. Currently the discussion is more about a merge/rewrite rather then a simple move. Leaving the discussion open to allow that discussion to continue. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC) The articles title was originally "World Vision" and was changed without giving a reason or consent to the new title "World Vision United States", which is no official name (see also discussion above). MTYM ( talk) 22:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
The current article lead needs a bit of tweaking IMO, but nothing above seems a valid rationale for the proposed move.
I think we need an article on specifically on World Vision International. But I suspect we need a separate article on the original body too, and the exact relationship between this original body and the current US branch of WVI needs to be set out more clearly. Perhaps there is even a case for three articles.
So far as this move goes, it needs to be justified in terms of WP:AT and WP:DAB, but we need to be clear exactly what the scope of this article should be before we can decide, and it's a bit tricky. Andrewa ( talk) 13:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I do not know what else to say, but here are my assertions:
For these reasons, the articles should be merged. I do not accept your assertion that there is sufficient evidence to keep the articles apart. I recognize that you have said the articles have different content, but this is only because the original article was split and some content went to one and some content went to the other. Other users have added content to both articles since then, but I do not believe they consciously distinguished WVI from the US branch and would have been confused to learn of the split. Could you please point to sources for World Vision International which indicate that it does work which does not involve a national branch, or which somehow differentiate it from a national branch? Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not really clear on Wikipedia policy, so as an employee of World Vision US, I am submitting a few small changes here instead of directly editing the article.
Please adjust
From 1966 on the organisation used in business also the name to "World Vision International"[5] but from 1977 on this name was reserved for the umbrella organisation World Vision International.[6][7] and the founding organization as a member of world vision international is called world vision united states whenever a distinction is necessary.
to
From 1966 on the organisation used in business also the name to "World Vision International"[5] but from 1977 on this name was reserved for the umbrella organisation World Vision International.[6][7] and the founding organization as a member of World Vision International is called World Vision United States whenever a distinction is necessary.
That is, simply capitalization of the organizations at the end of this section
World Vision International is called World Vision United States
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