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Quick question for anyone in the know... can female drivers compete in the WRC? Erath 14:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC).
There seems to be no mention at all of Skoda who won their class if I remember correct for eleven consecutive years. An achievement to be noted I would think. 90.201.198.169 ( talk) 21:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I think Ford is a company of the United States, though the WRC team may be based in the United Kingdom. On the other hand, the nationality of Toyota is Japan in the same list though the WRC team ( TTE) based in Germany. Should we change the nationality of Toyota into Germany?-- Morio 17:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The Subaru rally team is English based too, but they're classed as Jap. Ford is american, period. PiP 01:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Ford is an American marque so it should stay that way. And European Ford is Germany-based, so it would get even more confusing. EOT. -- Maggot666PL 15:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
My personal view on the nationalities across all of the WRC articles is to stick with the official nationality of an entity, as that is the only one which is indisputable. If you bring something as faint, fluffy and/or peripheral as "what a team or driver personally identifies with" or "but the actual team is based here, you see...", then the edit wars, such as have lamentably happened in the Colin McRae article in the past, are unstoppable and inevitable.
As far as I'm concerned, for example, Burns and McRae should always have the British flag alongside their names, even if they are referred to, perfectly reasonably, as respectively "English" and "Scottish" in free prose, because as far as I'm aware, English and Scottish are not even formally nationalities, given that they appear on no passport (I could be wrong). The Manufacturers' issue is a stickier one: as far as I am aware, we have a Manufacturers' Championship rather than a Teams' or Constructors' Championship (I'll go and check the FIA website and see one term they use); so in an official sense, M-Sport is secondary. The idea is that they are representing the Ford marque, which is American. Having said that, I don't think the FIA recognise the nationality of a marque at all, so why are we even listing them in a table? As we can see here, it just seems to be provoking dispute.
Mind you, the whole debate's an utter mess. We may never solve it. Somebody mentioned that Ford enters the WRC under a British licence, which I presume means that they are represented by the MSA in the United Kingdom? MRacer ( talk) 17:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Is an American, "M-Sport, the team chosen by Ford Motor Company" (not with Ford of Europe, not with Ford of Germany, not with Ford of Britain) proof of facts M-Sport site M-sport.co.uk.
Quoted text:
Welcome to M-Sport
M-Sport, the team chosen by Ford Motor Company to mastermind their assault on the FIA World Rally Championship since 1997, has been growing in size and stature since it was originally formed in 1979 under the name of Malcolm Wilson Motorsport.
-- Tomcha ( talk) 19:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Following this discussion, I applied the same rule to Talbot, which should be labelled as French in 1981, as any year after 1978 - see Talbot ( Hehiheho ( talk) 14:19, 7 October 2012 (UTC)).
Sorry to reopen this comical conversation but if Ford has a USA flag based on competition licence, then there should be zero Japanese or Korean winners. Surely there has to be consistency rather than what wins arbitrary arguments.
I would love to see a short summary of some of the basic rules used in the WRC. By that, I mean things such as: how much time do teams have to "fix" damage between races? I thought that they were limited to fixing just minor damage between stages, but could do major repairs - with a time limit - after the day's stages were run. Can spectators help an overturned car? I was under the impression that, for some time anyway, no one could touch the car except the driver or co-driver, even if the car overturned. Are there rules for passing (much) slower cars? If the road ahead is completely blocked by an earlier accident, do the later drivers get a "do-over" since they can't get by? MarkieAA ( talk) 14:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
03ogmsmith 15:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I've just updated the World Rally Championship Drivers Championship Table to accomadate Sebastian Loebs 2007 Championship Win (2 Dec 2007) - Let me know what you think and has anyone got the results of Rally GB 2007 as well as the points for the drivers and manufactuers (for Rally GB) so I can add these to the 2007 standings
Either the column in the 2008 standings should say Team or those "Stobarts" should be Fords. -- Falcadore ( talk) 10:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I can't find anything on the page, other then the first sentence, in regards to whether co-drivers of world champions are considered world champions as well. Are they? Ottocrosso ( talk) 10:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I have created a WRC user box. You may edit it if you wish, but I am keeping the original. This is it:
WRC | This user is a fan of the World Rally Championship |
TollHRT52 ( talk) 15:42, 13 August 2012 (AEST)
This article could use section for women. Most wins, most starts... Michèle Mouton was second in championship with her codriver Fabrizia Pons in 1982. [1] 185.18.60.191 ( talk) 04:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I've done some updates as some sentences were a decade out of date, such as 'the majority of JWRC cars are Super 1600' or 'points are awarded in PWRC'. With the discussion on the 2021 season talk page such a mess I also clarified the rules on overall eligibility and priority. With so much updates I've had to reorganise the article and in the process removed some of the photos in 'History' as it was cluttered. There may be citations missing and more to add yet to keep bringing the article up to a decent quality. PushingPace ( talk) 01:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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Quick question for anyone in the know... can female drivers compete in the WRC? Erath 14:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC).
There seems to be no mention at all of Skoda who won their class if I remember correct for eleven consecutive years. An achievement to be noted I would think. 90.201.198.169 ( talk) 21:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I think Ford is a company of the United States, though the WRC team may be based in the United Kingdom. On the other hand, the nationality of Toyota is Japan in the same list though the WRC team ( TTE) based in Germany. Should we change the nationality of Toyota into Germany?-- Morio 17:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The Subaru rally team is English based too, but they're classed as Jap. Ford is american, period. PiP 01:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Ford is an American marque so it should stay that way. And European Ford is Germany-based, so it would get even more confusing. EOT. -- Maggot666PL 15:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
My personal view on the nationalities across all of the WRC articles is to stick with the official nationality of an entity, as that is the only one which is indisputable. If you bring something as faint, fluffy and/or peripheral as "what a team or driver personally identifies with" or "but the actual team is based here, you see...", then the edit wars, such as have lamentably happened in the Colin McRae article in the past, are unstoppable and inevitable.
As far as I'm concerned, for example, Burns and McRae should always have the British flag alongside their names, even if they are referred to, perfectly reasonably, as respectively "English" and "Scottish" in free prose, because as far as I'm aware, English and Scottish are not even formally nationalities, given that they appear on no passport (I could be wrong). The Manufacturers' issue is a stickier one: as far as I am aware, we have a Manufacturers' Championship rather than a Teams' or Constructors' Championship (I'll go and check the FIA website and see one term they use); so in an official sense, M-Sport is secondary. The idea is that they are representing the Ford marque, which is American. Having said that, I don't think the FIA recognise the nationality of a marque at all, so why are we even listing them in a table? As we can see here, it just seems to be provoking dispute.
Mind you, the whole debate's an utter mess. We may never solve it. Somebody mentioned that Ford enters the WRC under a British licence, which I presume means that they are represented by the MSA in the United Kingdom? MRacer ( talk) 17:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Is an American, "M-Sport, the team chosen by Ford Motor Company" (not with Ford of Europe, not with Ford of Germany, not with Ford of Britain) proof of facts M-Sport site M-sport.co.uk.
Quoted text:
Welcome to M-Sport
M-Sport, the team chosen by Ford Motor Company to mastermind their assault on the FIA World Rally Championship since 1997, has been growing in size and stature since it was originally formed in 1979 under the name of Malcolm Wilson Motorsport.
-- Tomcha ( talk) 19:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Following this discussion, I applied the same rule to Talbot, which should be labelled as French in 1981, as any year after 1978 - see Talbot ( Hehiheho ( talk) 14:19, 7 October 2012 (UTC)).
Sorry to reopen this comical conversation but if Ford has a USA flag based on competition licence, then there should be zero Japanese or Korean winners. Surely there has to be consistency rather than what wins arbitrary arguments.
I would love to see a short summary of some of the basic rules used in the WRC. By that, I mean things such as: how much time do teams have to "fix" damage between races? I thought that they were limited to fixing just minor damage between stages, but could do major repairs - with a time limit - after the day's stages were run. Can spectators help an overturned car? I was under the impression that, for some time anyway, no one could touch the car except the driver or co-driver, even if the car overturned. Are there rules for passing (much) slower cars? If the road ahead is completely blocked by an earlier accident, do the later drivers get a "do-over" since they can't get by? MarkieAA ( talk) 14:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
03ogmsmith 15:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I've just updated the World Rally Championship Drivers Championship Table to accomadate Sebastian Loebs 2007 Championship Win (2 Dec 2007) - Let me know what you think and has anyone got the results of Rally GB 2007 as well as the points for the drivers and manufactuers (for Rally GB) so I can add these to the 2007 standings
Either the column in the 2008 standings should say Team or those "Stobarts" should be Fords. -- Falcadore ( talk) 10:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I can't find anything on the page, other then the first sentence, in regards to whether co-drivers of world champions are considered world champions as well. Are they? Ottocrosso ( talk) 10:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I have created a WRC user box. You may edit it if you wish, but I am keeping the original. This is it:
WRC | This user is a fan of the World Rally Championship |
TollHRT52 ( talk) 15:42, 13 August 2012 (AEST)
This article could use section for women. Most wins, most starts... Michèle Mouton was second in championship with her codriver Fabrizia Pons in 1982. [1] 185.18.60.191 ( talk) 04:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I've done some updates as some sentences were a decade out of date, such as 'the majority of JWRC cars are Super 1600' or 'points are awarded in PWRC'. With the discussion on the 2021 season talk page such a mess I also clarified the rules on overall eligibility and priority. With so much updates I've had to reorganise the article and in the process removed some of the photos in 'History' as it was cluttered. There may be citations missing and more to add yet to keep bringing the article up to a decent quality. PushingPace ( talk) 01:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)