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The article contains the line
The World Congress of Families is a worldwide coalition that stands up for the position of the family, in a time of eroding family life and declining appreciation for families in general.
written in such a way that it seems to be a statement of fact. I wouldn't be surprised if it's copied directly from the group's site or other media. I'm not sure of the best way to fix it, though. -- 67.175.53.13 ( talk) 00:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I've changed it to make it a bit more neutral. Veritas Omnia Vincit ( talk) 08:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
There were already several citations alluding to the controversy surrounding this group, but no explanation as to the source of that controversy. I've attempted to highlight some of the roots of that controversy, while maintaining a neutral tone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.184.9 ( talk) 15:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
This wikipedia page has been written with an over dependence on appeal to unproven authority of truth, from liberal homosexual lifestyle propogation advocates to present a discrimatory bias against the pro family group which the article is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.86.33 ( talk) 19:34, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Those were all sourced additions. If you feel any were beyond the pale let's work them out instead of restoring a very non-neutral version as you have done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masioka ( talk • contribs) 02:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC) — Masioka ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
A direct quote about World Congress of Families fine work: The World Congress of Families serves as a vessel to bring worldwide hate groups together, as one can see from perusing the sponsors for their international events. The Religious Right has lost the culture war in the United States, and they realized over the past decade that they would have to expand internationally in order to keep their pocketbooks solvent and their ideology relevant. They prey on nations mired in institutional poverty, and they aid foreign governments who find scapegoats that distract their citizens from turning a keen eye on their leaders’ role in their plights quite handy.
They should not hide their light under any bushel but let the whole world see their work in action. Masioka ( talk) 16:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
It's pretty easy to find sources that mention this. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 22:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the {{ POV}} tag because the article is looking a lot better. Given the number of eyes and attention this page now has, in small part thanks to an ANI thread started against me, I feel that any further concerns can be reasonably hashed out here on the talk page by all interested editors. Elizium23 ( talk) 15:47, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Part of the Executive Summary:
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The World Congress of Families (WCF) is one of the most influential American organizations involved in the export of hate. Since 1997, WCF has held conferences and events around the world that foster homophobia
and transphobia under the guise of protecting the “natural family.” It is connected to some mainstream conservative organizations and to the very highest levels of government in the countries where it operates.
Thanks to WCF’s connections, its rhetoric and its willingness to associate with and encourage radically homophobic and transphobic activists, the group has had an outsized influence on anti-LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) sentiment and legislation in many places. This report explores WCF’s influence in more depth, focusing on Russia — where the organization had its genesis — as well as Eastern Europe, Australia and Africa.
Masioka ( talk) 17:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Alex Greenwich included the report as part of his submission to get government members to pull out of the 2014 Melbourne conference, and I believe that's part of why the Australian Senate condemned the conference. -- Aronzak ( talk) 13:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This is one of the most credible and authoritative exposes of the WCF, that it comes from the part of society that the WCF targets for their bile is not surprising. Does anyone dispute anything in this report? Masioka ( talk) 02:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/world-congress-families-russia-gay-rights
It's not an LGBT source so I hope this one doesn't need to be questioned like all the LGBT-related ones, which all remain tagged as possibly unreliable with no one questioning a single fact used from them. Masioka ( talk) 22:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)— Masioka ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Even the first sentence needs improved referencing (or to be changed if no references can be found).
"The World Congress of Families (WCF) is a coalition of conservative groups that oppose LGBT rights and abortion."
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 00:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC).
The WCF is controversial not just because of their policies on homosexuality, but also on abortion, contraception and sex education. RD has coverage of opposition to Obamacare's contraception mandate. May not satisfy RS or SELFPUB, but SIECUS, Catholics for choice and RH Reality Check have opposed contraception/abortion issues ( 2013, SIECUS, HR Reality Check. The WCF's Don Feder has a strongly pro-natalist agenda, and "demographic winter" is accused of being made by the WCF themselves. Kathryn Joyce has criticised WCF in an article in RD, and Feder in The Nation - Don Feder reacts negatively to her claim that pronatalist policies use xenophobia to advance an agenda that aims to control women's bodies. May not be WP:RS, but PRA take that line, arguing "Its momentum is largely attributable to organizations such as the World Congress of Families (WCF), which has scant visible presence in Demographic Winter but enormous behind-the-scenes influence... Okafor has gone so far as to allege that the provision of reproductive health care in Africa is part of an imperialist Western “conspiracy,” a claim reproduced in the WCF newsletter. (Much of Demographic Winter was filmed at the 2007 WCF conference." WCF's Don Feder article:
Should have these quotes -- Aronzak ( talk) 18:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
The current lead is completely POV - "The World Congress of Families (WCF) is a coalition of conservative groups that affirms a traditional view of the family "centered around the voluntary union of a man and a woman in a lifelong covenant of marriage"[2] and opposes LGBT rights and abortion." The phrase "affirms a traditional view of the family" is POV because it changes the voice from the org's quote to the article itself. See WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV and WP:GCONT. The American Family Association is a WP:CONT article that has settled on a very neutral lead.
I would suggest a similar two sentences in the lead referring to the organisation as a not for profit political lobbying group, then defining what their agenda is, Eg "The World Congress of Families is a United States organization that promotes Christian right values internationally. It opposes same-sex marriage, pornography, and abortion." -- Aronzak ( talk) 01:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Wait wait wait. We've been arguing over being too kind to the WFC in the lead and someone else comes along and tags the Criticism section for being non-neutral? Does anyone else here agree that the Criticism section is too strong??? Aristophanes68 (talk) 17:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the World Congress of Families is not an organization, is it? According to their website it is "an international network of pro-family organizations..." and "...a project of The Howard Center for Family, Religion & Society in Rockford, Illinois (www.profam.org)." which would be consistent with being a congress. They don't show up in Illinois' corporation database, foundationcenter.org, nor guidestar.org- Mr X 18:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Mother Jones describes them as "the Rockford, Illinois-based World Congress of Families (WCF), an umbrella organization for the US religious right's heavy hitters." Masioka ( talk) 18:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
The Guardian "Social services minister Kevin Andrews has asked organisers of the World Congress of Families conservative Christian conference to remove a reference to him as “international secretary” from their promotional material." -- Aronzak ( talk) 22:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
An SPA editor has added content critical of the SPLC sourced entirely to World Congress of Families' web site, for example this. WP:SELFPUB does not permit using the subject's self-published content as a reliable source for it's Wikipedia article when the content is self-serving or involves claims about third parties. With that in mind, I invite CPolicy to justify their edits or propose alternative edits that respect our policies.- Mr X 01:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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What's up with the photo gallery? Specifically, why is Philip Zimbardo in there? I found no reference in the article to Zimbardo, and no reference in his page to the WCF. MarkBrooks ( talk) 17:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
The is no longer an active World Congress of Families network that is the same as the original group based in Rockford, IL, USA
The old World Congress of Families website now forwards to: http://profam.org/ the website of the International Organization for the Family
The Rockford Institute website http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/ now points to The Rockford Institute https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/about/the-rockford-institute/
These are all separate institutions at this point.
This makes the entry at /info/en/?search=Rockford_Institute out of date
So we need the following to be revised or created or disambiguated:
Chronicles (Magazine) Rockford Institute World Congress of Families International Organization for the Family
I have been studying these groups for 40 years and can help sort this out. Chip.berlet ( talk) 22:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
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The article contains the line
The World Congress of Families is a worldwide coalition that stands up for the position of the family, in a time of eroding family life and declining appreciation for families in general.
written in such a way that it seems to be a statement of fact. I wouldn't be surprised if it's copied directly from the group's site or other media. I'm not sure of the best way to fix it, though. -- 67.175.53.13 ( talk) 00:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I've changed it to make it a bit more neutral. Veritas Omnia Vincit ( talk) 08:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
There were already several citations alluding to the controversy surrounding this group, but no explanation as to the source of that controversy. I've attempted to highlight some of the roots of that controversy, while maintaining a neutral tone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.184.9 ( talk) 15:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
This wikipedia page has been written with an over dependence on appeal to unproven authority of truth, from liberal homosexual lifestyle propogation advocates to present a discrimatory bias against the pro family group which the article is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.86.33 ( talk) 19:34, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Those were all sourced additions. If you feel any were beyond the pale let's work them out instead of restoring a very non-neutral version as you have done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masioka ( talk • contribs) 02:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC) — Masioka ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
A direct quote about World Congress of Families fine work: The World Congress of Families serves as a vessel to bring worldwide hate groups together, as one can see from perusing the sponsors for their international events. The Religious Right has lost the culture war in the United States, and they realized over the past decade that they would have to expand internationally in order to keep their pocketbooks solvent and their ideology relevant. They prey on nations mired in institutional poverty, and they aid foreign governments who find scapegoats that distract their citizens from turning a keen eye on their leaders’ role in their plights quite handy.
They should not hide their light under any bushel but let the whole world see their work in action. Masioka ( talk) 16:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
It's pretty easy to find sources that mention this. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 22:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the {{ POV}} tag because the article is looking a lot better. Given the number of eyes and attention this page now has, in small part thanks to an ANI thread started against me, I feel that any further concerns can be reasonably hashed out here on the talk page by all interested editors. Elizium23 ( talk) 15:47, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Part of the Executive Summary:
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The World Congress of Families (WCF) is one of the most influential American organizations involved in the export of hate. Since 1997, WCF has held conferences and events around the world that foster homophobia
and transphobia under the guise of protecting the “natural family.” It is connected to some mainstream conservative organizations and to the very highest levels of government in the countries where it operates.
Thanks to WCF’s connections, its rhetoric and its willingness to associate with and encourage radically homophobic and transphobic activists, the group has had an outsized influence on anti-LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) sentiment and legislation in many places. This report explores WCF’s influence in more depth, focusing on Russia — where the organization had its genesis — as well as Eastern Europe, Australia and Africa.
Masioka ( talk) 17:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Alex Greenwich included the report as part of his submission to get government members to pull out of the 2014 Melbourne conference, and I believe that's part of why the Australian Senate condemned the conference. -- Aronzak ( talk) 13:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This is one of the most credible and authoritative exposes of the WCF, that it comes from the part of society that the WCF targets for their bile is not surprising. Does anyone dispute anything in this report? Masioka ( talk) 02:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/world-congress-families-russia-gay-rights
It's not an LGBT source so I hope this one doesn't need to be questioned like all the LGBT-related ones, which all remain tagged as possibly unreliable with no one questioning a single fact used from them. Masioka ( talk) 22:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)— Masioka ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Even the first sentence needs improved referencing (or to be changed if no references can be found).
"The World Congress of Families (WCF) is a coalition of conservative groups that oppose LGBT rights and abortion."
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 00:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC).
The WCF is controversial not just because of their policies on homosexuality, but also on abortion, contraception and sex education. RD has coverage of opposition to Obamacare's contraception mandate. May not satisfy RS or SELFPUB, but SIECUS, Catholics for choice and RH Reality Check have opposed contraception/abortion issues ( 2013, SIECUS, HR Reality Check. The WCF's Don Feder has a strongly pro-natalist agenda, and "demographic winter" is accused of being made by the WCF themselves. Kathryn Joyce has criticised WCF in an article in RD, and Feder in The Nation - Don Feder reacts negatively to her claim that pronatalist policies use xenophobia to advance an agenda that aims to control women's bodies. May not be WP:RS, but PRA take that line, arguing "Its momentum is largely attributable to organizations such as the World Congress of Families (WCF), which has scant visible presence in Demographic Winter but enormous behind-the-scenes influence... Okafor has gone so far as to allege that the provision of reproductive health care in Africa is part of an imperialist Western “conspiracy,” a claim reproduced in the WCF newsletter. (Much of Demographic Winter was filmed at the 2007 WCF conference." WCF's Don Feder article:
Should have these quotes -- Aronzak ( talk) 18:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
The current lead is completely POV - "The World Congress of Families (WCF) is a coalition of conservative groups that affirms a traditional view of the family "centered around the voluntary union of a man and a woman in a lifelong covenant of marriage"[2] and opposes LGBT rights and abortion." The phrase "affirms a traditional view of the family" is POV because it changes the voice from the org's quote to the article itself. See WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV and WP:GCONT. The American Family Association is a WP:CONT article that has settled on a very neutral lead.
I would suggest a similar two sentences in the lead referring to the organisation as a not for profit political lobbying group, then defining what their agenda is, Eg "The World Congress of Families is a United States organization that promotes Christian right values internationally. It opposes same-sex marriage, pornography, and abortion." -- Aronzak ( talk) 01:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Wait wait wait. We've been arguing over being too kind to the WFC in the lead and someone else comes along and tags the Criticism section for being non-neutral? Does anyone else here agree that the Criticism section is too strong??? Aristophanes68 (talk) 17:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the World Congress of Families is not an organization, is it? According to their website it is "an international network of pro-family organizations..." and "...a project of The Howard Center for Family, Religion & Society in Rockford, Illinois (www.profam.org)." which would be consistent with being a congress. They don't show up in Illinois' corporation database, foundationcenter.org, nor guidestar.org- Mr X 18:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Mother Jones describes them as "the Rockford, Illinois-based World Congress of Families (WCF), an umbrella organization for the US religious right's heavy hitters." Masioka ( talk) 18:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
The Guardian "Social services minister Kevin Andrews has asked organisers of the World Congress of Families conservative Christian conference to remove a reference to him as “international secretary” from their promotional material." -- Aronzak ( talk) 22:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
An SPA editor has added content critical of the SPLC sourced entirely to World Congress of Families' web site, for example this. WP:SELFPUB does not permit using the subject's self-published content as a reliable source for it's Wikipedia article when the content is self-serving or involves claims about third parties. With that in mind, I invite CPolicy to justify their edits or propose alternative edits that respect our policies.- Mr X 01:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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What's up with the photo gallery? Specifically, why is Philip Zimbardo in there? I found no reference in the article to Zimbardo, and no reference in his page to the WCF. MarkBrooks ( talk) 17:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
The is no longer an active World Congress of Families network that is the same as the original group based in Rockford, IL, USA
The old World Congress of Families website now forwards to: http://profam.org/ the website of the International Organization for the Family
The Rockford Institute website http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/ now points to The Rockford Institute https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/about/the-rockford-institute/
These are all separate institutions at this point.
This makes the entry at /info/en/?search=Rockford_Institute out of date
So we need the following to be revised or created or disambiguated:
Chronicles (Magazine) Rockford Institute World Congress of Families International Organization for the Family
I have been studying these groups for 40 years and can help sort this out. Chip.berlet ( talk) 22:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)