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In this edit I've removed some fact-tagged taxt from the article, to wit: "... , even though Obama's campaign already posted it on its' website and a hard copy of the document is sealed by state law." This is {{ fact}} tagged. The document posted online was a "Certificatation of Live Birth" (COLB), not a "Certificate of Birth" (COB). There are differences between these types of documents which have been discussed elsewhere ad nauseum. Rather than open up yet another discussion here about COLBs vs. COBs, I've removed the bit I've quoted above. The removed text appears to me to be incidental to the point of the paragraph
I propose reworking the sections as follows:
The goal is to eliminate what is essentially a criticism section and fold it into their history. Also, the description is more pertinent information than trivial about its founder and origins and should take precedence. Thoughts?
This was an obvious waste of time from the start, the only thing that’s ever going to happen is endless cycles or “debate me bro” “no we have
WP:RS”
Dronebogus (
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Promoting falsehoods? Such a statement does not belong here. Conspiracy theories? Obviously, the editor who inserted that doesn't believe in scepticism. This isn't an article about religion, where God distinguishes dogmas and falsehoods, and doesn't tolerate different viewpoints. far-right fringe website is a derogatory political label that doesn't belong here, either — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C50:252:5600:D0F5:57D4:8705:E022 ( talk) 09:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
User /info/en/?search=User:Dronebogus is trying to discredit edits that remove facts about wnd. If you read this Dronebogus please add your reasons here kindly Edotor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edotor ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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Joe Farrah should sue Wikipedia for deformation and then we can have a judge decide if this article is nothing but opinionated libel and slander, which it is. Words like "far-right" and "fake news" are OPINION! Case closed -Jf ( talk) 02:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
There are several contributors that wants to add corroborated material to this page that has been blocked doing so solely based on non-fact based arguments from @ Doug Weller, @ Mvbaron, @ Dronebogus, @ XenonNSMB and others, referring Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Now, do not get me wrong, I am still waiting to get factual arguments but only procedural arguments have been presented. I expected the experienced editors to behave according to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Follow the normal protocol, Wikipedia:Etiquette and Wikipedia:Five pillars but the only reply that came was stone-walling in terms of do not answer the argument. So this post is a request for help to get some upvotes and a motivated group of editors that is not biased in a certain area and indeed can balance efforts to silence edits on this page.
You who are an editor/administrator who disagree with me, are of course are tempted to propose a sanction for bringing this argument up, but before doing so, remember that Wikipedia:Five pillars argues for neutral point of view, and many points brought to this article including the first statement definitely begs for a POV tag which was also removed by @ Doug Weller without motivation. I have in replies to @ Doug Weller, @ Mvbaron, @ Dronebogus asked for motivations, but it is absent. I have thoroughly examined Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Five_pillars, Wikipedia:Etiquette and Wikipedia:Five pillars of evil and they all point to civility and politeness and the first thing to ask for is a sound and factual argument, not a procedural argument that is common in court of law to toss the case altogether. I trust that the majority of wikipedia admins and editors does not stand behind such behavior. This post is a test to see if Wikipedia live up to its Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Follow the normal protocol.
One fact that was deleted today was that google.com have biased search hit against wnd.com and put out a false warning on its search result: https://www.google.com/interstitial?url=https://www.wnd.com/. When you click the details of the warning content: https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=https:%2F%2Fwww.wnd.com%2F&hl=sv it says: "No unsafe content found". Obviously a strong bias from google against wnd.com in the form of false-negative. Similair search engines such as bing, duckduckgo, or brave does not behave in such false-negative way. If anyone has any better understanding of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Five_pillars please educate me and tell why the google source does not conform to Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Look forward to a polite reply.
- Kindly @ Edotor ( talk) 20:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/inside-the-spectacular-fall-of-the-granddaddy-of-right-wing-conspiracy-sites/2019/04/02/6ac53122-3ba6-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html Inside the spectacular fall of the granddaddy of right-wing conspiracy sites] and [1]. Doug Weller talk 13:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Google Search results for wnd.com redirect to a Malware Warning page with: "Warning — visiting this web site may harm your computer!".<ref>{{cite web |title=Malware Warning |url=https://www.google.com/interstitial?url=https://www.wnd.com/ |website=www.google.com |access-date=1 September 2022}}</ref>
User:Newslinger falsely claims this addition is WP:OR, yet it is cited, (I did not archive it), but now I get " 403. That’s an error." ...the googlebot noticed .... 0mtwb9gd5wx ( talk) 04:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
No one has said. Doug Weller talk 10:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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The editors who hover over this article may not agree with the editorial stance of WND but it is not a fake news website. The article's false, libelous, biased description of it as a fake news website should be removed immediately in accordance with long-established Wikipedia policy. 2601:147:C400:1BE0:75EF:6A26:B6A8:1312 ( talk) 23:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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M.Bitton (
talk) 00:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)The fake news website descriptor (previously removed in Special:Diff/1194854759) should be restored to the first sentence and the infobox. Reliable sources, including high-quality academic sources, agree that WorldNetDaily is a fake news website. Some of these sources include:
Per WP:NPOV, neutrality on Wikipedia entails "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic", and there is little to no disagreement among reliable sources that the fake news website descriptor is applicable to WorldNetDaily. Therefore, the descriptor should be restored. (Please note that WorldNetDaily is already listed in List of fake news websites.) — Newslinger talk 07:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
The current wording is clear enough. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 21:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
"current wording", do you mean the " American far-right opinion website" phrasing that you implemented in Special:Diff/1221104301 with the edit summary
Not "news"before it was changed again in Special:Diff/1221104301, or something else? — Newslinger talk 02:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
The current article's introduction reads as follows:
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WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is an American far-right opinion website. It is known for promoting fake news and conspiracy theories, including the false claim that former President Barack Obama was born outside the United States.
(End of quote)
This is incredibly biased because it claims that WND is "far-right" and promotes "fake news", which is a matter of opinion. Also, it claims that the claim that Barack Obama was born outside the United States is "false", as if it's beyond reasonable doubt. I disagree. I strongly believe that the Hawaii birth certificate that records the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu is a photoshopped forgery, and that the birth certificate claiming he was born in Mombasa, Kenya is very real.
Isn't the purpose of encyclopedia to be accurate and unbiased? Because there's no way that this introduction is either of these two. For these very reasons, I suggest that the terms "far-right", "fake news", and "false" be removed. Classicalfan626 ( talk) 20:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Reliable sources describing WorldNetDaily as
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In this edit I've removed some fact-tagged taxt from the article, to wit: "... , even though Obama's campaign already posted it on its' website and a hard copy of the document is sealed by state law." This is {{ fact}} tagged. The document posted online was a "Certificatation of Live Birth" (COLB), not a "Certificate of Birth" (COB). There are differences between these types of documents which have been discussed elsewhere ad nauseum. Rather than open up yet another discussion here about COLBs vs. COBs, I've removed the bit I've quoted above. The removed text appears to me to be incidental to the point of the paragraph
I propose reworking the sections as follows:
The goal is to eliminate what is essentially a criticism section and fold it into their history. Also, the description is more pertinent information than trivial about its founder and origins and should take precedence. Thoughts?
This was an obvious waste of time from the start, the only thing that’s ever going to happen is endless cycles or “debate me bro” “no we have
WP:RS”
Dronebogus (
talk) 12:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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Promoting falsehoods? Such a statement does not belong here. Conspiracy theories? Obviously, the editor who inserted that doesn't believe in scepticism. This isn't an article about religion, where God distinguishes dogmas and falsehoods, and doesn't tolerate different viewpoints. far-right fringe website is a derogatory political label that doesn't belong here, either — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C50:252:5600:D0F5:57D4:8705:E022 ( talk) 09:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
User /info/en/?search=User:Dronebogus is trying to discredit edits that remove facts about wnd. If you read this Dronebogus please add your reasons here kindly Edotor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edotor ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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Joe Farrah should sue Wikipedia for deformation and then we can have a judge decide if this article is nothing but opinionated libel and slander, which it is. Words like "far-right" and "fake news" are OPINION! Case closed -Jf ( talk) 02:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
There are several contributors that wants to add corroborated material to this page that has been blocked doing so solely based on non-fact based arguments from @ Doug Weller, @ Mvbaron, @ Dronebogus, @ XenonNSMB and others, referring Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Now, do not get me wrong, I am still waiting to get factual arguments but only procedural arguments have been presented. I expected the experienced editors to behave according to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Follow the normal protocol, Wikipedia:Etiquette and Wikipedia:Five pillars but the only reply that came was stone-walling in terms of do not answer the argument. So this post is a request for help to get some upvotes and a motivated group of editors that is not biased in a certain area and indeed can balance efforts to silence edits on this page.
You who are an editor/administrator who disagree with me, are of course are tempted to propose a sanction for bringing this argument up, but before doing so, remember that Wikipedia:Five pillars argues for neutral point of view, and many points brought to this article including the first statement definitely begs for a POV tag which was also removed by @ Doug Weller without motivation. I have in replies to @ Doug Weller, @ Mvbaron, @ Dronebogus asked for motivations, but it is absent. I have thoroughly examined Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Five_pillars, Wikipedia:Etiquette and Wikipedia:Five pillars of evil and they all point to civility and politeness and the first thing to ask for is a sound and factual argument, not a procedural argument that is common in court of law to toss the case altogether. I trust that the majority of wikipedia admins and editors does not stand behind such behavior. This post is a test to see if Wikipedia live up to its Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Follow the normal protocol.
One fact that was deleted today was that google.com have biased search hit against wnd.com and put out a false warning on its search result: https://www.google.com/interstitial?url=https://www.wnd.com/. When you click the details of the warning content: https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=https:%2F%2Fwww.wnd.com%2F&hl=sv it says: "No unsafe content found". Obviously a strong bias from google against wnd.com in the form of false-negative. Similair search engines such as bing, duckduckgo, or brave does not behave in such false-negative way. If anyone has any better understanding of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Five_pillars please educate me and tell why the google source does not conform to Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Look forward to a polite reply.
- Kindly @ Edotor ( talk) 20:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/inside-the-spectacular-fall-of-the-granddaddy-of-right-wing-conspiracy-sites/2019/04/02/6ac53122-3ba6-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html Inside the spectacular fall of the granddaddy of right-wing conspiracy sites] and [1]. Doug Weller talk 13:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Google Search results for wnd.com redirect to a Malware Warning page with: "Warning — visiting this web site may harm your computer!".<ref>{{cite web |title=Malware Warning |url=https://www.google.com/interstitial?url=https://www.wnd.com/ |website=www.google.com |access-date=1 September 2022}}</ref>
User:Newslinger falsely claims this addition is WP:OR, yet it is cited, (I did not archive it), but now I get " 403. That’s an error." ...the googlebot noticed .... 0mtwb9gd5wx ( talk) 04:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
No one has said. Doug Weller talk 10:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The editors who hover over this article may not agree with the editorial stance of WND but it is not a fake news website. The article's false, libelous, biased description of it as a fake news website should be removed immediately in accordance with long-established Wikipedia policy. 2601:147:C400:1BE0:75EF:6A26:B6A8:1312 ( talk) 23:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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M.Bitton (
talk) 00:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)The fake news website descriptor (previously removed in Special:Diff/1194854759) should be restored to the first sentence and the infobox. Reliable sources, including high-quality academic sources, agree that WorldNetDaily is a fake news website. Some of these sources include:
Per WP:NPOV, neutrality on Wikipedia entails "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic", and there is little to no disagreement among reliable sources that the fake news website descriptor is applicable to WorldNetDaily. Therefore, the descriptor should be restored. (Please note that WorldNetDaily is already listed in List of fake news websites.) — Newslinger talk 07:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
The current wording is clear enough. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 21:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
"current wording", do you mean the " American far-right opinion website" phrasing that you implemented in Special:Diff/1221104301 with the edit summary
Not "news"before it was changed again in Special:Diff/1221104301, or something else? — Newslinger talk 02:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
The current article's introduction reads as follows:
(Start of quote)
WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is an American far-right opinion website. It is known for promoting fake news and conspiracy theories, including the false claim that former President Barack Obama was born outside the United States.
(End of quote)
This is incredibly biased because it claims that WND is "far-right" and promotes "fake news", which is a matter of opinion. Also, it claims that the claim that Barack Obama was born outside the United States is "false", as if it's beyond reasonable doubt. I disagree. I strongly believe that the Hawaii birth certificate that records the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu is a photoshopped forgery, and that the birth certificate claiming he was born in Mombasa, Kenya is very real.
Isn't the purpose of encyclopedia to be accurate and unbiased? Because there's no way that this introduction is either of these two. For these very reasons, I suggest that the terms "far-right", "fake news", and "false" be removed. Classicalfan626 ( talk) 20:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Reliable sources describing WorldNetDaily as
far-right
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