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The subsection on disegno badly needs to be split out into it's own article. It seems very out of place here. — mako ๛ 06:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This deserves a seperate article.
A distinction has long been made between the physical qualities and existence of an art object and it's status as an Artwork. [1]. An Artwork such a Dutch 17th Century painting has a physical existence as a painting that is seperate from it's identity as a Rembrandt Masterpiece [2]. Many art objects, such as the Duchamp's famous Fountain (Duchamp) have been denied the status of art. Research Method ( talk) 03:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
As no reasoned objections have been made, I shall create a seperate article. Research Method ( talk) 02:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I think it was merged because it contained very little text, but I can't find any reasons. Research Method ( talk) 01:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC) The concept of art object can perfectly well be contained here, at least unless the article becomes maasively larger. It is confusing to have two articles on aspects of the same thing - this is known as a content fork. Johnbod ( talk) 02:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Lippard makes a firm distinction - [2] Research Method ( talk) 03:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Summary style articles, with sub-articles giving greater detail, are not content forking, provided that all the sub-articles, and the summary conform to Neutral Point of View. Essentially, it is generally acceptable to have different levels of detail of a subject on different pages, provided that each provides a balanced view of the subject matter. Research Method ( talk) 03:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Note also that in encyclopedias it is perfectly proper to have separate articles for each different definition of a term; unlike dictionaries, a single encyclopedia article covers a topic, not a term. Research Method ( talk) 03:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't music or literature included? needs a disambiguation page. Research Method ( talk) 05:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Neither was mentioned there. Research Method ( talk) 04:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
This is seperate from a work of art. It should not redirect here. It does not refer to "Works of Art". Eg "The National Maritime Museum's collection of objet d’art comprises over 800 objects. These are mostly small decorative art items that fall outside the scope of the Museum’s ceramic, plate, textiles and glass collections." [4]
There has been some preliminary discussion at Talk:Art object. I and others feel any distinction between the two terms, so far not made at all clearly, is not enough to justify having two articles. "Art object" should be a section here. Johnbod ( talk) 23:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC) There is also discussion above. Research Method ( talk) 00:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Research Method ( talk) 23:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
There is a clear difference between a work of art, as defined by this article, and an art object. An art object can be a work of art (such as the Mona Lisa), and a work of art can be an art object(such as a painting), but equally an art object may not be a work of art(a chinese copy of the Mona Lisa), and a work of art may not be an art object(such as The Portrait of Dorian Gray) Research Method ( talk) 01:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
"in encyclopedias it is perfectly proper to have separate articles for each different definition of a term; unlike dictionaries, a single encyclopedia article covers a topic, not a term." Research Method ( talk) 00:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
What is nom? Can you copy the reasons here so others can see them? Are you saying that all paintings are Works of Art? Research Method ( talk) 01:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC) I can't find the definition you can see. Please can you quote it. Research Method ( talk) 01:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Nom means the nominator - Johnbod was the nom of the merge vote... Modernist ( talk) 01:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
According to Google, there are 392,000 references to "art object" of which 360,000 do not mention "work of art". Research Method ( talk) 01:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining yourself. Please have a quick look at this [ Experience and the Art Object: The Intellectual Approach of Criticism by Michael Betancourt] and see if it supports the creation of a new article. I agree that the difference is subtle, but I think that it is material. Peace and Love ( talk) 04:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
The following material is unsourced, and, in my oppinion, oppinionated and innacurate. What is more it covers material dealt with in the body of the article. I have removed it here for these reasons. "The related terms artwork and art object, used especially in American English, came into use in the 20th century, especially to describe modern and post-modern art. It was applied to works without significant skill or craft in creating the physical object. Some contemporary works of art in conceptual art and other fields exist essentially as sets of instructions by the artist for the physical creation of the object, which is expected only to be physically created periodically—just as a piece of music or drama exists as a score or script. An example is Emergency Room by Thierry Geoffroy. Sometimes physical objects are transferred by the artist, but the work requires their arrangement in a specific form set out by the artist. In such cases, the distinction between the terms is useful; the "work of art" has no permanent physical form, but sometimes manifests as a physical "art object." Equally a work of found art may not change its physical properties, but becomes art when so presented by the artist. In contrast, a work of art may change the qualities of the materials concerned, as in An Oak Tree by Michael Craig-Martin." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
[printmaking|prints]], sculpture, drawings, photography or buildings. Since modernism, the field of fine art has expanded to include film, performance art, conceptual art, Welded sculpture and video art.What is perceived as a work of art differs between cultures and eras and by the meaning of the term "art". From the Renaissance until the twentieth century, and to some extent still, Western art critics and the general western public tended not to define applied art or decorative art as works of art. They tended to accord them lower status than works, such as paintings, with no practical use, according to the hierarchy of genres. Other cultures, for example Chinese and Islamic, have not made this distinction so strongly.The related terms artwork and art object, used especially in American English, came into use in the 20th century. Some contemporary works of art in conceptual art and other fields exist essentially as sets of instructions by the artist for the physical creation of the object, which is expected only to be physically created periodically—just as a piece of music or drama exists as a score or script. An example is Emergency Room by Thierry Geoffroy. Sometimes physical objects are transferred by the artist, but the work requires their arrangement in a specific form set out by the artist. In such cases, the distinction between the terms is useful; the "work of art" has no permanent physical form, but sometimes manifests as a physical "art object." Equally a work of found art may not change its physical properties, but becomes art when so presented by the artist. In contrast, a work of art may change the qualities of the materials concerned, as in An Oak Tree by Michael Craig-Martin. The French form of "art object," objet d'art, has been used for much longer in English and usually means a work of decorative or applied art. To establish whether a work is a work of art, the concepts of attribution, artistic merit and literary merit may be invoked. Among practitioners of contemporary art, various new media objects such as the DVD] the web page, and other interactive media have been treated as art objects; such treatment frequently involves a formalist (or "medium-specific") analysis. The formal analysis of computerized media has yielded such art movements as internet art and algorithmic art. The purpose of " new media objects" is not to replace traditional media, but to challenge old media. -- Kudpung ( talk) 23:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Contributions that continue to be in confllict with WP:OR, WP:POV, WP:RS and WP:V policy will no longer be WP:AGF, and will continue to be reverted, and may eventually be reported as vandalism.-- Kudpung ( talk) 01:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
The above is not in accordance with wikipedia policy - AGF is the founding principle! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 00:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
The article was tagged for neutrality. I have removed the tag - please explain why it should be added, should you believe it necessery! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 00:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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English is my second language and I have problems understanding this sentence: "Except for "work of art", which may be used of any work regarded as art in its widest sense, including works from literature and music, these terms apply principally to tangible, portable forms of visual art:" So, work of art can be used for literature, right? But then why is the article named after the exception? Why is the article about every other synonym? This makes no sense to me. 80.98.184.139 ( talk) 22:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
You must create a page with the title Artwork. Bratny ( talk) 14:10, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
matawuzen 41.115.42.219 ( talk) 05:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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The subsection on disegno badly needs to be split out into it's own article. It seems very out of place here. — mako ๛ 06:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This deserves a seperate article.
A distinction has long been made between the physical qualities and existence of an art object and it's status as an Artwork. [1]. An Artwork such a Dutch 17th Century painting has a physical existence as a painting that is seperate from it's identity as a Rembrandt Masterpiece [2]. Many art objects, such as the Duchamp's famous Fountain (Duchamp) have been denied the status of art. Research Method ( talk) 03:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
As no reasoned objections have been made, I shall create a seperate article. Research Method ( talk) 02:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I think it was merged because it contained very little text, but I can't find any reasons. Research Method ( talk) 01:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC) The concept of art object can perfectly well be contained here, at least unless the article becomes maasively larger. It is confusing to have two articles on aspects of the same thing - this is known as a content fork. Johnbod ( talk) 02:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Lippard makes a firm distinction - [2] Research Method ( talk) 03:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Summary style articles, with sub-articles giving greater detail, are not content forking, provided that all the sub-articles, and the summary conform to Neutral Point of View. Essentially, it is generally acceptable to have different levels of detail of a subject on different pages, provided that each provides a balanced view of the subject matter. Research Method ( talk) 03:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Note also that in encyclopedias it is perfectly proper to have separate articles for each different definition of a term; unlike dictionaries, a single encyclopedia article covers a topic, not a term. Research Method ( talk) 03:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't music or literature included? needs a disambiguation page. Research Method ( talk) 05:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Neither was mentioned there. Research Method ( talk) 04:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
This is seperate from a work of art. It should not redirect here. It does not refer to "Works of Art". Eg "The National Maritime Museum's collection of objet d’art comprises over 800 objects. These are mostly small decorative art items that fall outside the scope of the Museum’s ceramic, plate, textiles and glass collections." [4]
There has been some preliminary discussion at Talk:Art object. I and others feel any distinction between the two terms, so far not made at all clearly, is not enough to justify having two articles. "Art object" should be a section here. Johnbod ( talk) 23:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC) There is also discussion above. Research Method ( talk) 00:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Research Method ( talk) 23:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
There is a clear difference between a work of art, as defined by this article, and an art object. An art object can be a work of art (such as the Mona Lisa), and a work of art can be an art object(such as a painting), but equally an art object may not be a work of art(a chinese copy of the Mona Lisa), and a work of art may not be an art object(such as The Portrait of Dorian Gray) Research Method ( talk) 01:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
"in encyclopedias it is perfectly proper to have separate articles for each different definition of a term; unlike dictionaries, a single encyclopedia article covers a topic, not a term." Research Method ( talk) 00:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
What is nom? Can you copy the reasons here so others can see them? Are you saying that all paintings are Works of Art? Research Method ( talk) 01:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC) I can't find the definition you can see. Please can you quote it. Research Method ( talk) 01:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Nom means the nominator - Johnbod was the nom of the merge vote... Modernist ( talk) 01:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
According to Google, there are 392,000 references to "art object" of which 360,000 do not mention "work of art". Research Method ( talk) 01:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining yourself. Please have a quick look at this [ Experience and the Art Object: The Intellectual Approach of Criticism by Michael Betancourt] and see if it supports the creation of a new article. I agree that the difference is subtle, but I think that it is material. Peace and Love ( talk) 04:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
The following material is unsourced, and, in my oppinion, oppinionated and innacurate. What is more it covers material dealt with in the body of the article. I have removed it here for these reasons. "The related terms artwork and art object, used especially in American English, came into use in the 20th century, especially to describe modern and post-modern art. It was applied to works without significant skill or craft in creating the physical object. Some contemporary works of art in conceptual art and other fields exist essentially as sets of instructions by the artist for the physical creation of the object, which is expected only to be physically created periodically—just as a piece of music or drama exists as a score or script. An example is Emergency Room by Thierry Geoffroy. Sometimes physical objects are transferred by the artist, but the work requires their arrangement in a specific form set out by the artist. In such cases, the distinction between the terms is useful; the "work of art" has no permanent physical form, but sometimes manifests as a physical "art object." Equally a work of found art may not change its physical properties, but becomes art when so presented by the artist. In contrast, a work of art may change the qualities of the materials concerned, as in An Oak Tree by Michael Craig-Martin." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
[printmaking|prints]], sculpture, drawings, photography or buildings. Since modernism, the field of fine art has expanded to include film, performance art, conceptual art, Welded sculpture and video art.What is perceived as a work of art differs between cultures and eras and by the meaning of the term "art". From the Renaissance until the twentieth century, and to some extent still, Western art critics and the general western public tended not to define applied art or decorative art as works of art. They tended to accord them lower status than works, such as paintings, with no practical use, according to the hierarchy of genres. Other cultures, for example Chinese and Islamic, have not made this distinction so strongly.The related terms artwork and art object, used especially in American English, came into use in the 20th century. Some contemporary works of art in conceptual art and other fields exist essentially as sets of instructions by the artist for the physical creation of the object, which is expected only to be physically created periodically—just as a piece of music or drama exists as a score or script. An example is Emergency Room by Thierry Geoffroy. Sometimes physical objects are transferred by the artist, but the work requires their arrangement in a specific form set out by the artist. In such cases, the distinction between the terms is useful; the "work of art" has no permanent physical form, but sometimes manifests as a physical "art object." Equally a work of found art may not change its physical properties, but becomes art when so presented by the artist. In contrast, a work of art may change the qualities of the materials concerned, as in An Oak Tree by Michael Craig-Martin. The French form of "art object," objet d'art, has been used for much longer in English and usually means a work of decorative or applied art. To establish whether a work is a work of art, the concepts of attribution, artistic merit and literary merit may be invoked. Among practitioners of contemporary art, various new media objects such as the DVD] the web page, and other interactive media have been treated as art objects; such treatment frequently involves a formalist (or "medium-specific") analysis. The formal analysis of computerized media has yielded such art movements as internet art and algorithmic art. The purpose of " new media objects" is not to replace traditional media, but to challenge old media. -- Kudpung ( talk) 23:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Contributions that continue to be in confllict with WP:OR, WP:POV, WP:RS and WP:V policy will no longer be WP:AGF, and will continue to be reverted, and may eventually be reported as vandalism.-- Kudpung ( talk) 01:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
The above is not in accordance with wikipedia policy - AGF is the founding principle! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 00:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
The article was tagged for neutrality. I have removed the tag - please explain why it should be added, should you believe it necessery! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 00:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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English is my second language and I have problems understanding this sentence: "Except for "work of art", which may be used of any work regarded as art in its widest sense, including works from literature and music, these terms apply principally to tangible, portable forms of visual art:" So, work of art can be used for literature, right? But then why is the article named after the exception? Why is the article about every other synonym? This makes no sense to me. 80.98.184.139 ( talk) 22:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
You must create a page with the title Artwork. Bratny ( talk) 14:10, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
matawuzen 41.115.42.219 ( talk) 05:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)