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All of this should be merged into the Phoenix Coyotes article and this name redirected, as is done with most sports franchises that have moved. Rick K 01:02, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
Absolutely oppose. This article has enough information independently of the Coyotes article to be merged. All of the NHL teams that have moved (and still exist in the NHL) have their own articles. -- myselfalso 00:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Heyo, curious, how does spelling work on WIKIPEDIA? Color or colour since it's about a Canadian team?
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I'm thinking the page probably could use a section that details the legacy of the Jets sine the move to Phoenix. I don't have any sources or even hard info, but it would be interesting if someone dug up data on how much revenue continues to be generated from Jets merchandise, or how the "Whiteout" phenomenon has persisted, etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.241.120 ( talk) 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC) I found out that the exibition games here make about $3 million more than a regular season coyotes game —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rddflag ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I cannot believe that nobody, NOBODY, has cited the following: Thin ice : money, politics and the demise of an NHL franchise / Jim Silver. Halifax, N.S. : Fernwood, 1996. ( Mchelada ( talk) 23:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC))
If I remember correctly, The Winnipeg Jets was a team in the Western Canadian Hockey League of the 1960s. The WCHL, as the name implies it, consisted of hockey teams from major western Canadian cities. The bigger teams of this league helped form the WHA in the 70's.
Another factor, again if my memory serves me right, was Bobby Hulls salary. He had a huge contract. At one point there was some discussion of the financial strain of this contract: was it paying off, or was it too much of a burden for the Winnipeg market.
Aren't there some old time Winnipegers that can either refute, verify, or clarify these things? These may be significant factors for this article. DavidWill2 ( talk) 21:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The article Winnipeg White Out is, quite simply, a complete mess. 90% of the prose is irrelevant to it, and simply seeks to be a laundry list of as many teams that have encouraged fans to wear one colour as possible. It all needs to be removed. The result, however, is a single paragraph. That is insufficient for a stand-alone article, and I really don't see enough room for expansion there. As such, it would better be served as a section in the Jets article, with the White Out title redirecting to that section. Reso lute 14:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, two months, no opposition, and three supports later, merge is complete. Reso lute 23:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Isn't it a little silly to have File:Hockey current event.svg in the infobox, when the last season ended 15 years ago? — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 21:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I object to the sentence Peregrine put in for the following reasons; first, the changes in point structure came well after the Jets moved. Secondly, the "it should be noted" construction almost always presages editorializing of some sort, as it does here. "It should be noted" by whom? Why? Do we take similar note of other changes affecting point totals, such as increases in games played or the expansion era dilution of talent?  Ravenswing 15:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I do not think this belongs here, it seems to me this is a different franchise. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 17:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It's not the same franchise. We already went through this bs, concerning the Senators. GoodDay ( talk) 23:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
At this point - and certainly long before - this turned into a "Hockey in Winnipeg" section. This is not the proper purpose of this article; it is a historical article about a team that left the city 17 years ago. Since there is argument about the issue, I propose striking the section in its entirety. Only if the relocated Thrashers franchise is named "Jets" should there be a paragraph similar to that in the original Ottawa Senators article - and that is all there is there - but that bridge can be crossed when and if. Lacking that, the article should have a line along the lines of the "The market was subsequently home to:" comments in other similar articles.  Ravenswing 01:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I have trimmed the section down to the basics about the move itself and the potential name. The details of the efforts to get a team back in Winnipeg are now at Winnipeg NHL team, so they aren't needed here, per the discussions in the previous sections. - BilCat ( talk) 12:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Since I keep hearing nonstop yammering on about the potential new Winnipeg based NHL team (let's call them NT to avoid confusing them with the Jets or Thrashers) being called the Jets and speculation as to who owns the rights to the name and logo, (i.e they can't be called the Jets because the Coyotes own the name, or they might be called the Jets because the league owns the name) it might be of use to address the subject. It is my understanding that the the NHL owns the rights to all intellectual property of every past and present NHL team. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Summing up, I think there should be a section to address
1) who owns the name and logo
2) could NT possibly use the name Winnipeg Jets or any logo they used
3) if so, under what conditions could they use them (or who would they have to acquire them from) — Preceding
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The Jets name is a nod from the Winnipeg’s aviation history, originally the hub for TransCanada Airlines, which became Air Canada and moved to Montreal.
Prambraj ( talk) 15:12, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
That section should be deleted as it's about a different franchise. That sections belongs at Winnipeg NHL team and Winnipeg. -- GoodDay ( talk) 20:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Admins: I have created a disambiguation page Winnipeg Jets (disambiguation) in the event that this page gets moved. I would appreciate it if someone would please change the top line of this article (where it says For the current NHL team, see Winnipeg NHL team.) and change it to:
Thank you. J. Myrle Fuller ( talk) 23:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Since this has been an on going remove and replace thing I figured I'd open up the discussion to get the ball rolling. All this paragraph is is a bunch of speculation which is clearly stated in the this line "..increased speculation that the franchise could relocate back to Winnipeg". It proceeds to talk about rumors that were denied and ends "However in April 2011 this was denied by the league and since then nothing came of it." So all of this is rumor and hear say that is unsupported by actual facts. With the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg it's not like this is ever going to happen. So I see no reason to document rumors of a possible return. Furthermore if is to have a legitimate chance of staying it needs to add the information about Glendale paying the league for one more season which effectively killed the move and the fact that True North Purchased the Thrashers and moved them instead, IMO. Cheers-- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 18:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Actually, talks to bring back the Coyotes to Winnipeg have been confirmed, so it isn't speculation anymore. [1] Furthermore, this info does NOT belong on the Thrashers page or the 2011-12 Jets page, as this article is mainly suppose to be about the old Jets franchise which includes what happened to it as the Coyotes. Since we already included stuff like Brett Hull's short stint (which is well past the old Jets move in 1996), the True North proposal for the Coyotes has to be a shoe-in. Demon Hill ( talk) 13:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
"Winnipeg Jets were ..." Is this really correct English ? Although the team name indicates plural (Winnipeg jet-S), the team do remain as one single unit, or not ? And hence correct English would be "Winnipeg Jets was...". I'm far from sure of this, English isn't my native language. But I raise the question UaruRamirezi ( talk) 10:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better to call this Winnipeg Jets (original) instead of Winnipeg Jets (1972-1996)? This would gel with the Ottawa Senators (original) and the modern Ottawa Senators. Plus the word "original" would work better than a list of dates in the article title. Giantdevilfish ( talk) 16:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
While the Manitoba Moose are currently part of the AHL, when the Minnesota Moose were acquired by True North they were part of what was then the IHL. Many IHL teams were ultimately absorbed by the AHL. Therefore the line "however; the American Hockey League's Minnesota Moose moved to Winnipeg as the Manitoba Moose a few months after it was announced that the Jets were leaving town." should be "however; the International Hockey League's Minnesota Moose moved to Winnipeg as the Manitoba Moose a few months after it was announced that the Jets were leaving town." Reed Solomon ( talk) 02:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
MOS:RETAIN does not apply to this because it is talking about varieties of English, of which this is not. WP:DATERANGE does however apply to this because it lays how exactly how you are supposed to show a date range. Secondly, it was not at that title for 7 years. Regardless even if that was the case, consensus changed when it sat at the new title for months. You can't just ignore the Manual of Style guidelines because you don't like it. - DJSasso ( talk) 13:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Are the numbers originally retired by the Jets (#9 and #25) hanging in the Coyotes arena in the Jets colours or the Coyotes? The Demise and relocation section (3rd to last paragraph) says they're in the Jets colours, whereas the Retired numbers section says they're in the Coyotes colours. 194.28.127.52 ( talk) 03:54, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Seeing as we've got Ottawa Senators (original), perhaps this article could be moved to Winnipeg Jets (original). GoodDay ( talk) 04:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Why does this article use the old Jets logo as the main image in the infobox, instead of the current logo? The old logo should be moved to the history section, I would think. Airâ™ Combat Talk! 16:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Simplexity22 ( talk) 14:33, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Winnipeg Jets (1972–96) →
Winnipeg Jets (1972–1996) – This should really be an uncontroversial move per
MOS:DATERANGE but it seems this article might have a slight
WP:OWN issue as it seems the same user has always reverted to this style.
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All of this should be merged into the Phoenix Coyotes article and this name redirected, as is done with most sports franchises that have moved. Rick K 01:02, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
Absolutely oppose. This article has enough information independently of the Coyotes article to be merged. All of the NHL teams that have moved (and still exist in the NHL) have their own articles. -- myselfalso 00:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Heyo, curious, how does spelling work on WIKIPEDIA? Color or colour since it's about a Canadian team?
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I'm thinking the page probably could use a section that details the legacy of the Jets sine the move to Phoenix. I don't have any sources or even hard info, but it would be interesting if someone dug up data on how much revenue continues to be generated from Jets merchandise, or how the "Whiteout" phenomenon has persisted, etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.241.120 ( talk) 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC) I found out that the exibition games here make about $3 million more than a regular season coyotes game —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rddflag ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I cannot believe that nobody, NOBODY, has cited the following: Thin ice : money, politics and the demise of an NHL franchise / Jim Silver. Halifax, N.S. : Fernwood, 1996. ( Mchelada ( talk) 23:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC))
If I remember correctly, The Winnipeg Jets was a team in the Western Canadian Hockey League of the 1960s. The WCHL, as the name implies it, consisted of hockey teams from major western Canadian cities. The bigger teams of this league helped form the WHA in the 70's.
Another factor, again if my memory serves me right, was Bobby Hulls salary. He had a huge contract. At one point there was some discussion of the financial strain of this contract: was it paying off, or was it too much of a burden for the Winnipeg market.
Aren't there some old time Winnipegers that can either refute, verify, or clarify these things? These may be significant factors for this article. DavidWill2 ( talk) 21:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The article Winnipeg White Out is, quite simply, a complete mess. 90% of the prose is irrelevant to it, and simply seeks to be a laundry list of as many teams that have encouraged fans to wear one colour as possible. It all needs to be removed. The result, however, is a single paragraph. That is insufficient for a stand-alone article, and I really don't see enough room for expansion there. As such, it would better be served as a section in the Jets article, with the White Out title redirecting to that section. Reso lute 14:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, two months, no opposition, and three supports later, merge is complete. Reso lute 23:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Isn't it a little silly to have File:Hockey current event.svg in the infobox, when the last season ended 15 years ago? — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 21:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I object to the sentence Peregrine put in for the following reasons; first, the changes in point structure came well after the Jets moved. Secondly, the "it should be noted" construction almost always presages editorializing of some sort, as it does here. "It should be noted" by whom? Why? Do we take similar note of other changes affecting point totals, such as increases in games played or the expansion era dilution of talent?  Ravenswing 15:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I do not think this belongs here, it seems to me this is a different franchise. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 17:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It's not the same franchise. We already went through this bs, concerning the Senators. GoodDay ( talk) 23:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
At this point - and certainly long before - this turned into a "Hockey in Winnipeg" section. This is not the proper purpose of this article; it is a historical article about a team that left the city 17 years ago. Since there is argument about the issue, I propose striking the section in its entirety. Only if the relocated Thrashers franchise is named "Jets" should there be a paragraph similar to that in the original Ottawa Senators article - and that is all there is there - but that bridge can be crossed when and if. Lacking that, the article should have a line along the lines of the "The market was subsequently home to:" comments in other similar articles.  Ravenswing 01:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I have trimmed the section down to the basics about the move itself and the potential name. The details of the efforts to get a team back in Winnipeg are now at Winnipeg NHL team, so they aren't needed here, per the discussions in the previous sections. - BilCat ( talk) 12:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Since I keep hearing nonstop yammering on about the potential new Winnipeg based NHL team (let's call them NT to avoid confusing them with the Jets or Thrashers) being called the Jets and speculation as to who owns the rights to the name and logo, (i.e they can't be called the Jets because the Coyotes own the name, or they might be called the Jets because the league owns the name) it might be of use to address the subject. It is my understanding that the the NHL owns the rights to all intellectual property of every past and present NHL team. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Summing up, I think there should be a section to address
1) who owns the name and logo
2) could NT possibly use the name Winnipeg Jets or any logo they used
3) if so, under what conditions could they use them (or who would they have to acquire them from) — Preceding
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The Jets name is a nod from the Winnipeg’s aviation history, originally the hub for TransCanada Airlines, which became Air Canada and moved to Montreal.
Prambraj ( talk) 15:12, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
That section should be deleted as it's about a different franchise. That sections belongs at Winnipeg NHL team and Winnipeg. -- GoodDay ( talk) 20:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Admins: I have created a disambiguation page Winnipeg Jets (disambiguation) in the event that this page gets moved. I would appreciate it if someone would please change the top line of this article (where it says For the current NHL team, see Winnipeg NHL team.) and change it to:
Thank you. J. Myrle Fuller ( talk) 23:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Since this has been an on going remove and replace thing I figured I'd open up the discussion to get the ball rolling. All this paragraph is is a bunch of speculation which is clearly stated in the this line "..increased speculation that the franchise could relocate back to Winnipeg". It proceeds to talk about rumors that were denied and ends "However in April 2011 this was denied by the league and since then nothing came of it." So all of this is rumor and hear say that is unsupported by actual facts. With the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg it's not like this is ever going to happen. So I see no reason to document rumors of a possible return. Furthermore if is to have a legitimate chance of staying it needs to add the information about Glendale paying the league for one more season which effectively killed the move and the fact that True North Purchased the Thrashers and moved them instead, IMO. Cheers-- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 18:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Actually, talks to bring back the Coyotes to Winnipeg have been confirmed, so it isn't speculation anymore. [1] Furthermore, this info does NOT belong on the Thrashers page or the 2011-12 Jets page, as this article is mainly suppose to be about the old Jets franchise which includes what happened to it as the Coyotes. Since we already included stuff like Brett Hull's short stint (which is well past the old Jets move in 1996), the True North proposal for the Coyotes has to be a shoe-in. Demon Hill ( talk) 13:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
"Winnipeg Jets were ..." Is this really correct English ? Although the team name indicates plural (Winnipeg jet-S), the team do remain as one single unit, or not ? And hence correct English would be "Winnipeg Jets was...". I'm far from sure of this, English isn't my native language. But I raise the question UaruRamirezi ( talk) 10:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better to call this Winnipeg Jets (original) instead of Winnipeg Jets (1972-1996)? This would gel with the Ottawa Senators (original) and the modern Ottawa Senators. Plus the word "original" would work better than a list of dates in the article title. Giantdevilfish ( talk) 16:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
While the Manitoba Moose are currently part of the AHL, when the Minnesota Moose were acquired by True North they were part of what was then the IHL. Many IHL teams were ultimately absorbed by the AHL. Therefore the line "however; the American Hockey League's Minnesota Moose moved to Winnipeg as the Manitoba Moose a few months after it was announced that the Jets were leaving town." should be "however; the International Hockey League's Minnesota Moose moved to Winnipeg as the Manitoba Moose a few months after it was announced that the Jets were leaving town." Reed Solomon ( talk) 02:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
MOS:RETAIN does not apply to this because it is talking about varieties of English, of which this is not. WP:DATERANGE does however apply to this because it lays how exactly how you are supposed to show a date range. Secondly, it was not at that title for 7 years. Regardless even if that was the case, consensus changed when it sat at the new title for months. You can't just ignore the Manual of Style guidelines because you don't like it. - DJSasso ( talk) 13:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Are the numbers originally retired by the Jets (#9 and #25) hanging in the Coyotes arena in the Jets colours or the Coyotes? The Demise and relocation section (3rd to last paragraph) says they're in the Jets colours, whereas the Retired numbers section says they're in the Coyotes colours. 194.28.127.52 ( talk) 03:54, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Seeing as we've got Ottawa Senators (original), perhaps this article could be moved to Winnipeg Jets (original). GoodDay ( talk) 04:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Why does this article use the old Jets logo as the main image in the infobox, instead of the current logo? The old logo should be moved to the history section, I would think. Airâ™ Combat Talk! 16:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Simplexity22 ( talk) 14:33, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Winnipeg Jets (1972–96) →
Winnipeg Jets (1972–1996) – This should really be an uncontroversial move per
MOS:DATERANGE but it seems this article might have a slight
WP:OWN issue as it seems the same user has always reverted to this style.
Gonnym (
talk) 15:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.Â
b
uidh
e 04:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)