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I am currently a medical student and have done extensive research on the application of human stem cells. For my thesis, I have studied the work of Dr. William Rader and other American doctors. What I can't believe is how certain people because of political, religious, or monetary reasons have a vendetta against and try to smear American doctors in the field of Stem Cell Science. We are already falling behind China in one of the greatest discoveries of medical science of our generation. Dr. Rader and other doctors like him are the very few Stem Cell pioneers in the United States. If we keep this up, there will be a grim viability of the application of stem cells in our country.
Most of the information in the article is incorrect, biased and cited by broken links. Don't get me wrong, there is also some valid information cited from ABC News and the LA Times about Dr. Rader. I'm going to do my best to correct this article. I welcome any feedback. Medstudent213 ( talk) 03:22, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Dr. Rader charges large sums of money to desperate patients for treatment with no proof of efficacy. I an American physician and strongly support stem cell reseatch but Dr. Rader's research hardly qualifies as such. He is no pioneer, reasearcher or scientist. BTW medical students don't submit a thesis as part of their studies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.188.176.2 ( talk) 13:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I reverted to the last version of the article that was not copied from the bottom of http://www.medra.com/faq.html. Please note that administrators will enforce our copyright rules. Text that is word-for-word copied from other websites, unless there is a copyright release, must not be brought into Wikipedia. The Medra site says "Copyright © 2008 Medra, Inc."
There is a possibility that one of the editors of this article may have a conflict of interest. If so please see the warning and general advice provided at {{ uw-coi}}. EdJohnston ( talk) 03:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
In a recent edit summary, Oldy2 suggested that the article may be incorrect. We welcome your joining the discussion here, explaining any errors you may perceive. The article has received contributions from Super1122 and Oldy2, who are rather new editors who do not edit anything besides this article. Neither of these users has until now left any Talk page comments. We can't evaluate your concerns unless you are willing to explain them! As you can see, the article is heavily cited to reliable sources such as the Los Angeles Times, so you should be specific about the problems you see. EdJohnston ( talk) 04:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Transcription of a brief online excerpt: [1]
Having provided an advance copy to the BBC, Rader was asked about his forthcoming book in a May 2009 Panorama interview. [2] Apparently titled The Stem Cell Miracle: The Healing Secret From Medicine's Future That's Saving Lives Today (ISBN-13: 9781933771953, ISBN-10: 193377195X), Rader's book was slated for release in January 2010 from BenBella Books in Dallas, Texas. It had a list price of $24.95, discounted to $17.47 for online pre-orders. The book's description, cover image, price, and pre-order option were apparently removed from the publisher's website in September 2009, though they were still visible in Google cache (as of as of September 26, 2009).
The publisher's description of the book was as follows:
As of this posting, Rader's author profile continues to appear on the BenBella Books website. According to Amazon.com, the book is "currently unavaiable" and "[w]e don't know when or if this item will be back in stock." Minjul ( talk) 00:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Update: The information below about Dr. Rader's book being published by BenBella Books is incorrect. Dr. Rader's book titled Blocked In The USA: The Stem Cell Miracle was published by Nanog Publishing Inc. on March 1, 2010. [3] Ccrunrr ( talk) 01:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
This article was revert to a past revision that was incorrect. As I stated in the talk section called "Incorrect information cited by countless broken and invalid links", most of the information in the article is incorrect, biased and cited by broken links.
I am going to revert the article to my revision. I welcome any feedback. Medstudent213 ( talk) 12:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Do we have any evidence that the Dr. William Rader mentioned here as being married to Struthers is in fact the Dr. Willaim Rader who is doing stem cell work? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Can anybody figure out if there is a full transcript or posting of the full episode? [4]? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Anybody have a better connection than I do want to see if there is anything useful in this 60 minutes program? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
So many edits back and forth in a couple of days - not acceptable. There were enough reversions to enable blocking to be carried out. However, instead the page is protected. You will all have to come here and agree on a consensus in order to get any edit approved. I restored the last deleted paragraph, complete with references - it may be valid, it might not be - it's up to the community to decide if it should stay or go. There's no rush - Wikipedia is not news, you can all take your time in discussing and improving the article, rather than chopping bits in and out that you don't like Ronhjones (Talk) 22:48, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
The grammar under publications is incorrect. "Rader self published another book titled..." should be "Rader published another book titled". "Self" in that sentence is unnecessary. You are already implying that he self published without the word "self". Does anyone have any objections or concerns to that change? Grammaring ( talk) 3:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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1)The "History" section is all duplicated from the intro paragraph and so it needs to be deleted.
2) Also, the sentence "He developed a widely used training program for alcoholism counselors." is either unsourced or sourced to Raders own website. In either case it should be removed as being unsourced or unduely self serving to be appropriately source from his own site. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I propose deleting the talk section called "Rader's book possibly pulled from publication? (September 2009)" It looks like it is false information back by broken links that his book was pulled from publication. -- Grammaring ( talk) 23:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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Per the LA Time source, the word "doctor" in the lead should be replaced with the more specific "psychiatrist". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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Per the California Medical Board under William C. Rader MD, at the following link
http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/PhysicianSurgeon/Lookup.aspx?licenseType=A&licenseNumber=22848, the word "psychiatrist" should be replaced with "physician, surgeon and psychiatrist". He is not only psychiatrist but a physician and surgeon too. --
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23:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)Redrose64, it seems like TheRedPenOfDoom Potential conflict of interest with William C Rader. If you look at the revision history, he has removed talk and article pages in the past that the community has inputted. I am new to wikipedia, the request that I made, you denied it. It was a valid governmental source. What is the procedure to get this change? Can you help me out? Thank you for your time. User talk:Grammaring 23:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Editors here should be aware that when swarms of new editors appear, editing solely articles related to a narrow focus, agreeing with each other about every subject, their "opinions" are given the weight as if they are a single voice. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:38, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I am new to Wikipedia. If you look at the California Medical Baord at http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/PhysicianSurgeon/Lookup.aspx?licenseType=A&licenseNumber=22848, Dr. Rader is listed as Physician and Surgeon. On the article it is stated that he is a psychiatrist. The information on the article is partial. How would I go about adding this information? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you. User talk:Grammaring 00:17, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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I request that the first sentence be replace to properly describe Rader's process and present Rader's work within the scientific community's view. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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I am going to again request that the claim He developed a widely used training program for alcoholism counselors[citation needed]. be removed from the article.
1) The statement was added by a user with a declared conflict of interest
2) The removal of the statement was only opposed by that user and one of their many sockpuppets.
3) and per WP:BLP unsourced and poorly sourced materials must be removed from the article, and per WP:V challenged material must be supported by reliable sources. In this case the WP:SPS is being used to support an unduly self serving comment and is not a reliable source for such a claim. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Edits like this, which remove a substantial number of valid references and text clearly require an equally substantive discussion on the talk page. I have restored the last good version of the article in case anyone is interested in participating in that discussion. The above threads are lacking in specific objections to specific references. (As was the edit summary to the original edit in question.) If content sourced to specific references is removed, then reasons for its removal should be clearly enumerated in a series of edits, and (preferably) a detailed discussion here should be given. Given the quality of sourcing in the original article, and the lack of sources in User:Medstudent213's version (a clear WP:SPA and sockpuppeteer, by the way). In fact, for this very reason, I doubt even Medstudent213's claim to being a medical student. If he or she is in fact a medical student working on a thesis about stem cells and knowledgeable about Dr. Rader, then it should be a trivial matter to supply review articles in scientific journals on Rader's methods. No? Well, it's unlikely that your thesis will pass any kind of examination. Particularly alarming is the removal, for instance, of an explicit reference to an article published in the journal Science, along with a supporting direct quotation from that article. Is it the contention of Medstudent213 (and his enablers) that this statement was somehow flawed? For what reason? It is not at all clear. Sławomir Biały ( talk) 22:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
I do think that we should at the very least restore the reference to the Science policy forum. This is a reliable source:
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help) Published in the journal's Policy Forum section with the additional subtitle, "Unverified medical treatments based on stem cells need oversight." Vol. 323. no. 5921, pp. 1564-1565, online access by fee. Article is archived online (with magazine's permission) in
PDF format by the New York Stem Cell Foundation: "Medra became particularly notorious for the extraordinary claims made by its founder, psychiatrist William Rader, who has refused to share information on cell lines and techniques he claims can be used for treatment of conditions including spinal cord injury and Down syndrome."Thoughts on restoring this? Sławomir Biały ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
As a newcomer to Wikipedia, I'm unable to update the article. Although no news outlet has reported on this as yet, Rader's medical license was revoked by the Medical Board of California effective November 5, 2014, after what appears to have been an elaborate investigation, including undercover work, which led to twelve days of testimony in February and March of 2014. The L.A. celebrity lawyer Robert Shapiro helmed Rader's unsuccessful defense team.
The Medical Board's report is filled with fascinating and chilling detail. The Board ultimately concluded that Rader is both "unrepentant" and that "[h]is dishonesty permeates every aspect of his business and practices", a quote which may be found on page 38 of this Medical Board of California pdf posted online: In the Matter of the Accusation Against: WILLIAM C. RADER, M.D., Physician's and Surgeon's Certificate No. A22848.
An appropriate update of Rader's page, reflecting revocation of his medical license, would be much appreciated. Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 16:02, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"The treatment is prohibited in the United States and has no scientific validity. "
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I am currently a medical student and have done extensive research on the application of human stem cells. For my thesis, I have studied the work of Dr. William Rader and other American doctors. What I can't believe is how certain people because of political, religious, or monetary reasons have a vendetta against and try to smear American doctors in the field of Stem Cell Science. We are already falling behind China in one of the greatest discoveries of medical science of our generation. Dr. Rader and other doctors like him are the very few Stem Cell pioneers in the United States. If we keep this up, there will be a grim viability of the application of stem cells in our country.
Most of the information in the article is incorrect, biased and cited by broken links. Don't get me wrong, there is also some valid information cited from ABC News and the LA Times about Dr. Rader. I'm going to do my best to correct this article. I welcome any feedback. Medstudent213 ( talk) 03:22, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Dr. Rader charges large sums of money to desperate patients for treatment with no proof of efficacy. I an American physician and strongly support stem cell reseatch but Dr. Rader's research hardly qualifies as such. He is no pioneer, reasearcher or scientist. BTW medical students don't submit a thesis as part of their studies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.188.176.2 ( talk) 13:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I reverted to the last version of the article that was not copied from the bottom of http://www.medra.com/faq.html. Please note that administrators will enforce our copyright rules. Text that is word-for-word copied from other websites, unless there is a copyright release, must not be brought into Wikipedia. The Medra site says "Copyright © 2008 Medra, Inc."
There is a possibility that one of the editors of this article may have a conflict of interest. If so please see the warning and general advice provided at {{ uw-coi}}. EdJohnston ( talk) 03:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
In a recent edit summary, Oldy2 suggested that the article may be incorrect. We welcome your joining the discussion here, explaining any errors you may perceive. The article has received contributions from Super1122 and Oldy2, who are rather new editors who do not edit anything besides this article. Neither of these users has until now left any Talk page comments. We can't evaluate your concerns unless you are willing to explain them! As you can see, the article is heavily cited to reliable sources such as the Los Angeles Times, so you should be specific about the problems you see. EdJohnston ( talk) 04:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Transcription of a brief online excerpt: [1]
Having provided an advance copy to the BBC, Rader was asked about his forthcoming book in a May 2009 Panorama interview. [2] Apparently titled The Stem Cell Miracle: The Healing Secret From Medicine's Future That's Saving Lives Today (ISBN-13: 9781933771953, ISBN-10: 193377195X), Rader's book was slated for release in January 2010 from BenBella Books in Dallas, Texas. It had a list price of $24.95, discounted to $17.47 for online pre-orders. The book's description, cover image, price, and pre-order option were apparently removed from the publisher's website in September 2009, though they were still visible in Google cache (as of as of September 26, 2009).
The publisher's description of the book was as follows:
As of this posting, Rader's author profile continues to appear on the BenBella Books website. According to Amazon.com, the book is "currently unavaiable" and "[w]e don't know when or if this item will be back in stock." Minjul ( talk) 00:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Update: The information below about Dr. Rader's book being published by BenBella Books is incorrect. Dr. Rader's book titled Blocked In The USA: The Stem Cell Miracle was published by Nanog Publishing Inc. on March 1, 2010. [3] Ccrunrr ( talk) 01:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
This article was revert to a past revision that was incorrect. As I stated in the talk section called "Incorrect information cited by countless broken and invalid links", most of the information in the article is incorrect, biased and cited by broken links.
I am going to revert the article to my revision. I welcome any feedback. Medstudent213 ( talk) 12:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Do we have any evidence that the Dr. William Rader mentioned here as being married to Struthers is in fact the Dr. Willaim Rader who is doing stem cell work? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Can anybody figure out if there is a full transcript or posting of the full episode? [4]? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Anybody have a better connection than I do want to see if there is anything useful in this 60 minutes program? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
So many edits back and forth in a couple of days - not acceptable. There were enough reversions to enable blocking to be carried out. However, instead the page is protected. You will all have to come here and agree on a consensus in order to get any edit approved. I restored the last deleted paragraph, complete with references - it may be valid, it might not be - it's up to the community to decide if it should stay or go. There's no rush - Wikipedia is not news, you can all take your time in discussing and improving the article, rather than chopping bits in and out that you don't like Ronhjones (Talk) 22:48, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
The grammar under publications is incorrect. "Rader self published another book titled..." should be "Rader published another book titled". "Self" in that sentence is unnecessary. You are already implying that he self published without the word "self". Does anyone have any objections or concerns to that change? Grammaring ( talk) 3:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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1)The "History" section is all duplicated from the intro paragraph and so it needs to be deleted.
2) Also, the sentence "He developed a widely used training program for alcoholism counselors." is either unsourced or sourced to Raders own website. In either case it should be removed as being unsourced or unduely self serving to be appropriately source from his own site. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I propose deleting the talk section called "Rader's book possibly pulled from publication? (September 2009)" It looks like it is false information back by broken links that his book was pulled from publication. -- Grammaring ( talk) 23:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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Per the LA Time source, the word "doctor" in the lead should be replaced with the more specific "psychiatrist". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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Per the California Medical Board under William C. Rader MD, at the following link
http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/PhysicianSurgeon/Lookup.aspx?licenseType=A&licenseNumber=22848, the word "psychiatrist" should be replaced with "physician, surgeon and psychiatrist". He is not only psychiatrist but a physician and surgeon too. --
User talk:Grammaring
22:24, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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23:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)Redrose64, it seems like TheRedPenOfDoom Potential conflict of interest with William C Rader. If you look at the revision history, he has removed talk and article pages in the past that the community has inputted. I am new to wikipedia, the request that I made, you denied it. It was a valid governmental source. What is the procedure to get this change? Can you help me out? Thank you for your time. User talk:Grammaring 23:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Editors here should be aware that when swarms of new editors appear, editing solely articles related to a narrow focus, agreeing with each other about every subject, their "opinions" are given the weight as if they are a single voice. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:38, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I am new to Wikipedia. If you look at the California Medical Baord at http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/LicenseLookupSystem/PhysicianSurgeon/Lookup.aspx?licenseType=A&licenseNumber=22848, Dr. Rader is listed as Physician and Surgeon. On the article it is stated that he is a psychiatrist. The information on the article is partial. How would I go about adding this information? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you. User talk:Grammaring 00:17, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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I request that the first sentence be replace to properly describe Rader's process and present Rader's work within the scientific community's view. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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Per Quackwatch, Rader's clinic is now in Mexico. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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I am going to again request that the claim He developed a widely used training program for alcoholism counselors[citation needed]. be removed from the article.
1) The statement was added by a user with a declared conflict of interest
2) The removal of the statement was only opposed by that user and one of their many sockpuppets.
3) and per WP:BLP unsourced and poorly sourced materials must be removed from the article, and per WP:V challenged material must be supported by reliable sources. In this case the WP:SPS is being used to support an unduly self serving comment and is not a reliable source for such a claim. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Edits like this, which remove a substantial number of valid references and text clearly require an equally substantive discussion on the talk page. I have restored the last good version of the article in case anyone is interested in participating in that discussion. The above threads are lacking in specific objections to specific references. (As was the edit summary to the original edit in question.) If content sourced to specific references is removed, then reasons for its removal should be clearly enumerated in a series of edits, and (preferably) a detailed discussion here should be given. Given the quality of sourcing in the original article, and the lack of sources in User:Medstudent213's version (a clear WP:SPA and sockpuppeteer, by the way). In fact, for this very reason, I doubt even Medstudent213's claim to being a medical student. If he or she is in fact a medical student working on a thesis about stem cells and knowledgeable about Dr. Rader, then it should be a trivial matter to supply review articles in scientific journals on Rader's methods. No? Well, it's unlikely that your thesis will pass any kind of examination. Particularly alarming is the removal, for instance, of an explicit reference to an article published in the journal Science, along with a supporting direct quotation from that article. Is it the contention of Medstudent213 (and his enablers) that this statement was somehow flawed? For what reason? It is not at all clear. Sławomir Biały ( talk) 22:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
I do think that we should at the very least restore the reference to the Science policy forum. This is a reliable source:
{{
cite news}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthor=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help) Published in the journal's Policy Forum section with the additional subtitle, "Unverified medical treatments based on stem cells need oversight." Vol. 323. no. 5921, pp. 1564-1565, online access by fee. Article is archived online (with magazine's permission) in
PDF format by the New York Stem Cell Foundation: "Medra became particularly notorious for the extraordinary claims made by its founder, psychiatrist William Rader, who has refused to share information on cell lines and techniques he claims can be used for treatment of conditions including spinal cord injury and Down syndrome."Thoughts on restoring this? Sławomir Biały ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
As a newcomer to Wikipedia, I'm unable to update the article. Although no news outlet has reported on this as yet, Rader's medical license was revoked by the Medical Board of California effective November 5, 2014, after what appears to have been an elaborate investigation, including undercover work, which led to twelve days of testimony in February and March of 2014. The L.A. celebrity lawyer Robert Shapiro helmed Rader's unsuccessful defense team.
The Medical Board's report is filled with fascinating and chilling detail. The Board ultimately concluded that Rader is both "unrepentant" and that "[h]is dishonesty permeates every aspect of his business and practices", a quote which may be found on page 38 of this Medical Board of California pdf posted online: In the Matter of the Accusation Against: WILLIAM C. RADER, M.D., Physician's and Surgeon's Certificate No. A22848.
An appropriate update of Rader's page, reflecting revocation of his medical license, would be much appreciated. Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 16:02, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"The treatment is prohibited in the United States and has no scientific validity. "