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The title should be Wild ARMs, only A-R-M should be in Caps. CyberSkull 23:30, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
Ok, upon further consideration (and after I finished fixing the links >.<) I have come to the conclusion that this article should be Wild ARMs series, since it contains info on all of them. CyberSkull 04:33, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
Wild ARMs 2 is the same as Second Ignition. No need to have a different link and page for it. -- Zeno McDohl 03:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
I object to the change in capitalization brought forward. This is a Bad Meme that clearly originated with RPGamer several years ago, one which I've been tracking for quite some time and would like to see corrected.
There is no evidence of "ARM" being capitalized in the title from original US or Japanese sources (Neither Sony Computer Entertainment America nor Sony Computer Entertaiment, Inc.). xSEED games and Agetec only capitalized that name in the title by going purely on media and fan sources—who were, in turn, acting off of the badly-capitalized information from RPGamer.
Further, on a subjective level, it's sort of baseless to use the capitalization of "ARM" due to its use as an acronym in the series; as stated in the entry itself, the acronym "ARMS" has also been used—as both an acronym for an organization (Wild Arms 2nd Ignition) and as a type of weapon (The anime Wild Arms Twilight Venom, creation of which was sactioned directly by Sony Computer Entertaiment). In addition, the noun "Arms" also has several meanings which Media Vision is quite aware of, as they are used thematically throughout the series.
Thematics are subjective, however, I'll admit; we could argue subjectivity all day, and there's precious little place for subjectivity here, so we'll elide that. Let's rely on fact instead.
By the evidence that I have seen presented, there are only two official capitalization schemes that I have actually seen used:
I have not seen any other configuration that has not been from a media or fan source, nor from a publisher/localization house that is not Sony.
Now. if you have any official evidence at all challenging this—any evidence whatsoever that I might have missed— please bring it forward. I'd very much like to see it; if it proves me wrong, I will happily hold my peace on this matter. But if there is nothing else that may be brought forward, I would request that the matter be discussed.
Much appreciated. Thank you. -- E. Megas 03:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Both the manual and game case for the fourth game refer to itself as "Wild ARMs 4".. 69.183.52.75 00:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
For one, you are mistaken, the edit warring was not just over the title changes. A massive amount of info was changed or incorrectly altered, and the editor also removed references to other games, solely based on the fact that he had not played them.
As for the title, why is this even being discussed? The spelling used in logos counts for nothing, since lots of video games opt to simply capitalize the entire title. Think. Why is this game called "Wild ARMs"? The "Wild" part is obviously because of the heavy Wild West theme in the games. The "ARMs" is obviously because of the "ARMs" in the game, so the spelling would obviously be the same. The fact that XSEED also uses this supports that, and they use it in spite of the logos. I'll contact them, since they actually return their emails with good answers, so but I highly doubt they just got the name from fans. Do you guys honestly believe XSEED or any other company goes around looking how fans spell things? Fragments of Jade ( talk) 07:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It was not an assumption-the editor actually said this as his reason when he edited the references out. In all of the logos for the series, the name is "WILD ARMS", but again, this means nothing. 505 Games also uses "WILD ARMS" just as much as "Wild Arms". Can you prove they just did not assume that was the title based on the complete capitalization of the logo? It's worth nothing they make "assumptions" like this with a lot of their games, including "Ar tonelico". The "ARMs" in the game is undoubtedly the "ARMs" from the title. You bring up ARMS from WA2, but that's a different thing. ARMS is the abbreviation of a squad. The ARMs are featured in that game two, though a lot less than in the other games in the series. And WA: TV takes place in parallel universe to Filgaia. People say they don't support this, but that's hardly proof. And I've never forged an email, so don't even try saying otherwise. You merely chose not to believe the content of one I posted, because it went against your argument. I suggested you email them yourself, but you refused, so you've no right to go around making accusations. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 08:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not a lie-he blatantly said it, and it's really none of your business. I do prove 505 makes titles mistakes, and even provided and exampled-Ar tonelico. Because "ARMS" is something completely seperate from "ARMs" and is in that one game alone and really has nothing to do with the series overall. The games taking place in seperate worlds is nothing but a theory-officially, there is no answer, and this is stated by the creators themselves. Also, said theory is heavily proven wrong by many things within the games themselves, especially by words spoken by Felius in XF, but here is not the place to have that discussion, since it would take up too much space and be full of series spoilers. I posted the entirety of the email, and that's what I was asked to do. You wanted the ticket number, and I was not about to give that to you, since it violates rules and could easily allow you to pretend to be me. Also, I told you I did not want to post the email since you would simply call it fake, which you did. And lastly, I accussed that person of posting a fake email because they did, and their earlier lies hardly helped matters. Why are you even here anyway? Do you even play these games? Because it's more than a little suspicious how you keep popping up on articles where I edit. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 09:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Go to the history of Wild ARMs 5 and see for yourself, or go to his talk page where we briefly discussed it. I put it here because someone else, whose business it also isn't, mentioned it and misunderstood why the editting war happened. And you've been butting in far before it was posted here. They've miscapitalized numerous titles on their site, so why should Wild ARMs be an exception? It's clear that they don't look into the titles of the games they list. The Famitsu article you provide is in Japanese. I've showed it to a friend of mine who speaks the language, but even the most accurate of translations won't help much in this case, due to gaps between the two languages and how many ways certain words can be taken. Stating the games take place in "worlds seperate from eachother" could just mean that the stories revolve around different character and a different main plot, and are thus not direct sequels. I'd guess you've never played XF, since the parallel worlds issue is touched upon and somewhat cleared up. And for the millionth time-I posted the whole of the email. There's no more text to post. You did indeed ask for the ticket, and you pretending to be me was a risk, and even if unintended, would be what the email receivers would have thought, since tickets are not meant to be shared. I'm not going into detail about that here, because that issue has nothing to do with this, and you need to just let it drop. My accusations were well-based, while yours were not. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 10:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Look, just get lost. I'm not going through this again with you. I doubt you've ever even played this game. You're just gonna keep spouting absolute nonsense, just like you did the other time, so that no one can have any real discussion. That way, people will just get sick of it and give in to what you want. Well, that's not going to happen here. The title is, and will always be, "Wild ARMs". Anyone who has played the games knows what "ARMs" are, and it would make no sense for it to be spelled differently. As for the worlds issue, no one can talk sense to one-sided people like you, who refuse to accept any wrong on their own part. You don't even know Japanese, so what is being said in that article is not clear to you, and even if you did by some chance know the language, there's still no way he could be being "crystal clear", since the language gap would never let it happen. Go play your games elsewhere, so the rest of us can have a serious discussion. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 11:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I repeat, just get lost. I'm getting sick of you stalking me. You only show up to join arguments when I get involved with them, and you never contribute anything of any actual value, just lie and make nasty remarks. It's impossible for anyone to have a discussion when you're involved. If you had actually played the games, then you would understand why the game is titled "Wild ARMs" as opposed to any other spelling. And you would know why it it pretty much impossible for the games to take place in parallel worlds. But since you have "barely even played one", you don't know anything about it. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 11:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I can tell you whatever I want. The only reason you're here is to try and start trouble with me, and it's getting old. You know nothing about the games-you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. And as for proof, you haven't posted a thing, whereas I have. I've posted proof that 505 games incorrectly capitalizes games all the time, I've pointed out that it's made very clear in XF that the games cannot take place in parallel worlds, I've provided the painfully obvious reason why "Wild ARMs" is the correct spelling, and much more. You need to get over your psychotic need to argue with me and get involved in my life-it's rude and seriously creepy. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 11:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
More lies and insults from you, as expected. You just can't handle being wrong. You haven't proved a thing, you're just grasping at straws. The 505 site is full of title errors, which makes it clear they just use basic capitalization for all titles. And on the flipside, you have not done anything to prove their spelling wasn't an error, even though all the other titles on the site would suggest as much. And they also used the "WILD ARMS" spelling as well. You have yet to provide one logical reason why XSEED is wrong, and your whole "they just took the spelling the fans are using" is bogus. Let's see some proof of that claim. Let's see some proof that the obvious title of "Wild ARMs" is wrong. "Arms" doesn't even make sense at all, as arms themselves have nothing to do with the story, whereas "ARMs" are a major part of the plot. It's similiar to the popular title "NiGHTS into Dreams". No matter how many people opt to say "Nights into Dreams", that will never be the official title, as it's named after the main character "NiGHTS", who is going into dreams. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 12:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Again, just go away. You're not here for a discussion-you're here to harass me and try to start a fight. The burden of finding proof is not on me. You're the one who is trying to challenge what is written in the articles. "Wild Arms" is a title that makes no sense. "Wild ARMs", on the other hand does, and you have nothing that proves this spelling is not the proper one. The games themselves support that spelling. Your claims citing WA2 and TV were shot down, as was everything you have presented, so just go. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 14:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
You need to stop stalking me and making up lies. "ARMs" is the official title, after the guns in the series, and EVERY GAME supports this by featuring them. You have no room to talk about it, since you've already admitted to barely even playing one. Thus, you have no basis for essentially every thing that you are saying. You can't say the games don't support that, nor can you say anything about WA2 or TV. You're just making up stuff. Fighting for the sake of fighting is immature and wrong, so just quit it already. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 18:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Not content with simply restoring original research, bias/POV issues, strange capitalisations, removing punctuation, etc (as in this diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wild_Arms_5&diff=231947966&oldid=231889913), FoJ is now in such a rush to change every 'Arm' to 'ARM' that they are now breaking links to character pages and categories (as in this diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wild_Arms_2&diff=231949455&oldid=231948722), not to mention the spelling mistakes (seriously, FoJ, how hard is it to check dictionary.com to find out 'monikor' is not a word?) and mistaken word usage (you could have also used dictionary.com to find out what 'transverse' means). Mr T (Based) ( talk) 18:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
No links are being broken-I made sure to double-check all of them. And it was actually you, in your hurry to revert my last edit that caused "moniker" to go back to being mispelled. If you'd bothered to look at my edit before undoing it, you'd see that the spelling mistakes you fixed were left intact. And for the record, it was originally "monikure"-YOUR edit changed it to "monikor".
Again, you can't say anything valid about something you know nothing about, 88. The official materials all use "WILD ARMS". However, this is something quite common with Japanese items, as most of the official materials I have for games prefert to use all-capitals for everything but the game subtitles. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 19:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Not a single link on that page is broken. And your official links just include more "WILD ARMS", so you're still not proving anything. And where "Wild Arms" would be an easy mistake to make, "Wild ARMs" would not be. And it is also used for all the games. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 19:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not broken, and the Wild ARMs category link, despite being in red, actually works just fine. You should try being patient some time, such as when a redirect was being done for the character page. Making letters bigger than others means nothing, so I do not know why you are even bringing it up. And you are mistaken if you believe companies play the games much before actually writing articles about them. I would be very surprised if any of the XSEED staff has ever even played the games, other than a few for their own entertainment. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 19:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Don't call me names. I said in my last post that you just needed to be patient while I redirected it. And the category link did still work, it just didn't show everything. The very fact that you're now trying to claim the size of letters is relevant to your argument proves you're running out of ideas. You don't have anything conclusive. The game is called Wild ARMs because of the ARMs in the game-no other variation of this title would make sense. And, if that is not enough to convince, there are actually "Wild ARMs" in the game. Aside from ARMs know for going wild because of the Resistance Impulse and various other things, there is an actual dialogue in the game that speaks of "Wild ARMs". Of course, if you had played the games, you would know that. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 20:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
"Wild Arms" could easily just be mistake, since one who had never played the game would naturally assume that to be the title. Also, it is not used all that widely, while many other great sources do use "Wild ARMs". It's "ARMs" in the game, and there are even "Wild ARMs" in the game. You're losing more and more ground here-you better find something solid to stand on. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 20:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
You think games are just given names for the heck of it? They are given specific names for a reason. This game has nothing to do with "arms", but it has everything to do with "ARMs" and them going wild, as well as the Wild West theme. "Wild ARMs" could not easily be a mistake. Looking at the title "WILD ARMS", no one who has not massively played the series would not automatically think "ARMs", but "Arms". Just like how "SILENT HILL" was released as "Silent Hill", which is also it's name in the game. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 20:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually, even on the Japanese releases it is "SoulCalibur". The space may be ommited, but because the "C" is capitalized, you can still view them as seperate words put together to look fancy. "Arms" as opposed to "ARMs" would make no sense. There are no "Wild Arms" in the game, only various forms of "Wild ARMs". Fragments of Jade ( talk) 21:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Lack of a space is just a fancy touch. And yes, it's actually "Wild ARMs" in the dialogue. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 21:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
No, because the capitalization is meant to go with the ARMs featured within the game. "Wild Arms" makes no sense whatsoever, and you've yet to provide anything that makes it make sense. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 22:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
A title that makes no sense would not not exist unless it were on purpose. Since the game is called "Wild ARMs", the fact that the last part is spell like the "ARMs" featured heavily in the series and even called "Wild ARMs" and referred to as going wild multiple times in the games. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 23:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not "Soulcalibur"; it's "SoulCalibur". You're point is not a point at all. "Arms" has nothing at all to do with the game, thus the title "Wild Arms" would make no sense at all. You've no basis at all for your argument. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 00:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
The title is always listed as SoulCalibur on the boxes. Either way, removing the space does not change anything. The sword's name is still intact. That's not the case with "ARMs", since it actually stands for something. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 00:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've played these games for many years, and my vote will always be with "Wild ARMs". Like Fragments stated, the "ARMs" play a big part in the series, and because of the Resistance Impulse, gene modification that can end in disaster, and their general reputation, the weapons are often "Wild ARMs" and are referred to as exactly that at least once in the series. Weisheit-A Sane Kind of Madness ( talk) 01:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
It may be the only case in which the actual term "Wild ARMs" is used, but there are many records of them going wild, still. Weisheit-A Sane Kind of Madness ( talk) 02:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Any progress on the name change back? Will someone process Nightstallion's request, or should I attend to the move myself? -- E. Megas 18:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of June 22, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — G 1 ggy Talk/ Contribs 04:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
As it has been on hold more than 7 days, I'm jumping in to pass this article for GAC. Good job! The only thing I had reservations about was that you were using gameFAQs as a source- random people's faqs aren't a very reliable source. I passed it anyway, though, as none of the cites in question were of major importance, but I still recommend finding a better source. -- PresN 08:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Where is it that media vision is a subsidiary of Sony? Just want clarification that this is a fact, and it should be cited somewhere.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.133.139.5 ( talk) 16:22, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Could it be said somewhere on how to pronounce "Elw," perhaps have the Katakana spelling of it, since no Anglophone will have any remote idea on how to pronounce it? I actually think it's "el-loo" since the Katakana spelling I think is "Eruu." Jmg124 ( talk) 15:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
That's how it's pronounced, though it's a spoiler how I know that.^^ I agree with you, though. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 07:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Let's just say the world is verbally said in Wild ARMs XF. Anything more would be saying too much. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 08:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Problem? Fragments of Jade ( talk) 09:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not being "mysterious", I'm being considerate. There's no reason to post spoilers here. "Elw" is amongst the dialogue spoken in the game, and that's really all that needs to be said. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 09:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The exact context in which the word is used would be considered a spoiler. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 10:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
So... I'm changing the capitalization of the title to "Wild Arms" for the reasons I've cited in the previous discussion (besides, the names of the relevant articles use that capitalization already, so it's a bit weird right now), but if somebody has some good arguments for rolling them back to "Wild ARMs", this looks like a good place to discuss them... Erigu ( talk) 00:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
You're supposed to make discussions BEFORE making changes, to prevent edit-warring. The series is "Wild ARMs". All of the games center around the "ARMs", and 4th Detonator even centers around "Wild ARMs" specifically. "Wild Arms" wouldn't make any sense. "Thousand Arms" uses that capitalization because you play as a blacksmith who makes many different kinds of "Arms". But it's the "ARMs" that go wild in the "Wild ARMs" series. And you can't rely on the boxes or sites, since those commonly completely capitalize or don't capitalize titles, regardless of what they should be. TwilightRukia ( talk) 03:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Also, XSEED, has stated XF, 4, and 5 as "Wild ARMs", so I would hardly say there's nothing to support it. The sites for the earlier games all seem to use various capitalizations, suggesting those people actually have no idea what the actual title is. I've emailed XSEED in hopes to get more information, as they are known for actually providing valid answers. TwilightRukia ( talk) 04:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Again, who is Jade? Are you mistaking me for a friend of yours or something? Your attitude is kind of getting on my nerves. And I did. Email them for yourself if it's that big a deal. Sheesh. TwilightRukia ( talk) 07:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Look, I've got no idea what you're talking about, but the edits you are making are harmful. The capitalization of the title is still in debate, and you are being very rude going around and messing with over a dozen articles. I asked you politely to stop this and join in the discussion, but you refused and are being extremely discourteous. XSEED games, the company in charge of three games in the series, have been using the title of "Wild ARMs", and that is more than enough to warrant some more discussion. Are you just trying to start an edit war or something? I find your behavior rather off-putting. TwilightRukia ( talk) 08:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Lying? About what? I was very polite on your talk page, so I'm not sure what you claim I'm "lying" about. Stop changing the subject. TwilightRukia ( talk) 08:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I really have little interest in editing here on Wiki-I just came here to see if there was any info on the next game in the series and noticed the title had changed,-but thought I'd pop in and mention that XSEED issued an official statement regarding the capitalization of the title some time ago, because people kept asking them about it. "Wild ARMs" is in fact the official title of the whole series, since "ARM" is an acronym. "WILD ARMS" and "Wild Arms" are only used in the legal lines for the sake of simplicity. This email from them has been circulating for quite some time, and if you don't believe it, give me an email address and I'll forward it to you. Arguing back and forth as you guys have been is pointless, since an official statement on the issue is already out. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 12:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Are you insane? Look, I don't know what you're playing at, but you can't solve all your problems by accusing people of stuff. If you want to edit Wikipedia, you should care if the information you are adding is correct. Judging by the look of this page, it's like you are so unwilling to admit your mistake, you'll do anything to cover it up, even if it means tossing accusations at innocent people. I don't care what you do, since I only made this account for this issue, but you should stop adding incorrect information to this site. There is evidence that proves you wrong, and it's been out in the Wild ARMs community for quite some time. It's going to take a long time for someone to fix this page and whatever other ones you felt it fine to make uncited edits on. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 21:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
How do you go about reporting a possible sockpuppet? Mr T (Based) ( talk) 22:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You guys are pretty shallow. Instead of admitting you're wrong, you're doing whatever you can to try and get me blocked. First by undoing my edits repeatedly, forcing me to violate the revert rule, and now by accusing me of being someone else. You can't "link" to an email, and yes, that is how XSEED announces things to their fans-it's right on their official site for all to see, not that either of you will bother to look. And it was not an announcement. Some fans emailed them at: comments@xseedgames.com . That email was the reply, from a man who works there named Ken. Forwarding it seemed the best way, since then you can't try and say it's a fake or has been messed with in some way. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 22:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
What is wrong with you?! You CANNOT LINK TO AN EMAIL. I'm offering to send it directly to you, yet you refuse. Why? Because you know you're wroing, and you don't care. It's like all the two of you care about is trying to get people blocked. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You edit, but generally in a harmful manner. Even if you know you are wrong or adding/removing information you shouldn't, you still do so. I've seen it for myself. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Stop moving around and messing with my posts! You two are the ones who should be blocked from here! WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
That's right. You weren't. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, I'm guessing no one here has checked out the official site for Wild ARMs 5? If you look at the "History of the Series" section, it explains how the series got its title. Sorry, but it really is "Wild ARMs". I'd provide a link, but it's one of those flash sites where the url doesn't change when you visit different sections. "Wild ARMs" is also on the back of the boxes for 4 and 5, and is featured in the artbook for 5 repeatedly. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 01:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I told you-the official site. wildarms5.com or something like that. It's a flash site-you can't link to specific sections. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 02:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I have done no such thing. I have only posted the facts, as did the users above me, who pointed out the email sent out by XSEED, which not only confirms the title as "Wild ARMs", but explains the use of "ARMS" and "Arms". You and the other editor-Mr. T-have accused every single person who posts in support of "ARMs" of being a sockpuppet. In other words, everyone who disagrees with you must be someone's duplicate account? That is what's truly insulting-you two doing whatever to discredit anyone who dares to disagree with you. And even your accusations aside, more than enough proof has surfaced to prove that your variation of this game's title is wrong, but instead of looking at it, you pretend it doesn't exist. You don't care about this series, so why can't you just realize that you are wrong? It seems as though the only reason you even changed the capitalization in the first place was attention. Just face the truth-you are wrong. The title is Wild ARMs. No matter how many people you accuse or get blocked, that fact is not going to change. What's truly sad is how you keep doing this just to hurt people and avoid facing up to your mistakes. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 06:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I did not ignore them-I answered you already. And no, that was not me. They posted the email, which explains what you asked-why XSEED and other sites often used "Wild Arms" or "WILD ARMS". For the sake of simplicity, it was used in legal lines only. And if you doubt this email exists, why did you refuse their offer to forward it to? Or better yet, why don't you contact XSEED and ask them yourself? If you really care about what is the truth, then that would be the easiest way. And then you can't claim someone was lying or trying to trick you. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 06:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You seem to suffer from selective reading. XSEED stated that reason as why ALL the companies do that, and it makes sense, since it's done with many other games as well. The email is all over the place, but if you want it, just email XSEED. I could even hunt down the address and give it to you if you're too lazy to look it up yourself. It's comments@xseedgames.com . Since you claim I'm some liar, why should I post it? No matter who posts it, you will just claim it's fake or accuse them of being a fake, so why do you refuse to take a minute or two to type up your own email to XSEED and ask them about the title yourself. That way, no one can "lie" to you. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 06:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
No, they specifically stated companies other than themselves did it for that reason as well. And I believe I just said there is no point posting it or linking to it-you'll just say it is a fake. And yet, you are refusing to email them and ask yourself. Why? Because you know their answer will prove you wrong. So far, there is the email, which explains the reason why "ARMS" and "Arms" are used, as well as confirms the title as "Wild ARMs". Then there is the official site that gives the series' history and even explains the title. And then there is the fact that the games all feature "Wild ARMs" in some form. You have no evidence supporting your claim at all. Just admit you are wrong already. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 07:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You just refuse to accept the truth. And you know that is what you would do-you're already saying everyone who has seen it is a liar. Stop whining and email them yourself. But you won't, because all you care about is the attention-not the article. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 07:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You're a very sad person, from what I can see. You had destroyed every article for this game, solely for attention. And whoever points out you are wrong is instantly accused of being a duplicate account. You report this person to a friend of yours of the admin staff, who then blocks them immediately, without even bothering to investigate. And you have been doing this for months. Your life seems to consist of nothing but ruining Wikipedia articles and getting people blocked for simply disagreeing with you, when you are wrong in the first place. You need to learn to accept your mistakes. Fans of the series could tell you that you are wrong. Even XSEED can tell you that you are wrong. But apparently, they're liars too, so you won't contact them to see for yourself. Have fun living in your lonely world of denial, where everyone who disagrees with you by pointing out the obvious and proven must be the same person, out to get you. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 07:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not abusing anything-that's all in YOUR head. The title is "Wild ARMs", so you changing it was the wrong edit, especially when it was a matter still being debated at the time. When someone finally realizes you are wrong who can actually stop your psychotic behavior, it's going to take forever to fix all those articles. And Wikia? Wikia is no different from Wikipedia-controlled by corrupt admins and ruined by people like you. I'll trust the Wild ARMs Wiki anyday, since that's controlled solely by fans only, and your little admin friends have no power there. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 08:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You really must be crazy. Even to prove my point, there is no way I would EVER give you that link. You've already ruined all the Wild ARMs articles here, and I refuse to allow you to do the same thing there. Besides, you seem to enjoy stalking people over the internet, so why not find it yourself? IceQueenAvril ( talk) 08:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I said only that your admin friends would have no power there. People like you would quickly be blocked, but that doesn't mean I'm giving you the link. And the second one you posted is currently under construction-the admin there is in the process of fixing all the titles to say "Wild ARMs", but she has been busy with real life. You should do a little more research before you post your so called evidence. Elmina is actually a true fan and is aware her Wiki is wrong and plans to fix it. SHE can admit when something is wrong, but she had it that way because, like with the companies, it was simpler until she could sit down and do serious editting. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 08:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
That's funny, coming from the one who is really lying here-you. And a typo does not make someone a duplicate account. Get real. And yeah, she is. But a liar like you would hardly care one way or another. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 09:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Wow, that was almost admitting you were wrong. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 09:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Because every person who disagrees with you-essentially every person who's actually PLAYED the games-are all the same person. Yeah, that doesn't sound insane. And I haven't lied, and you know it. You're the one who keeps on lying. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 09:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
In a request for an outside opinion, I note that capitalization conventions that have been cited here only apply to namespaces and even there, they have exceptions for acronyms. As a quick google search for reliable sources gives spelling for both versions on the same site it is best to go with the offical company naming as that is what most people will know it by. I am not alone in this either we are discussing it as you speak. If you cannot agree upon and act with civility I am strongly considering asking for formal mediation as this affects not only this article, but all other Wild ARMs articles and many articles of similar nature. If you don't like that idea, we can explore other ideas, but one way or another this will be solved as the it is causing diruption. じん ない 06:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I am wanting an opinion on what the names for these articles and title ingame given our policies and guidelines. I would also like a review of everyone involved here to make sure they were not being disruptive. I believe at least 1 edit of a flame was removed, perhaps more.
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Should it be "Wild Arms" or "Wild ARMs"? I vote "Arms" since it looks better. - Norse Am Legend ( talk) 23:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
It's not just a point of looking better, though, but what is correct. "Wild Arms" honestly doesn't make any sense at all, and XSEED has confirmed that it's only used in legal lines for the sake of simplicity. The games also establish "ARMs", as they are in and often a main focus of them. "Wild ARMs" in particular have been included in several of the titles as part of the plot. Also, if you look at the XSEED official site, they call it "Wild ARMs", and the official site for Wild ARMs 5 goes a step further and even explains the title, pointing out how it means something different in each game. And according to Wiki rules, acronyms in titles should be left as-is. I've played all the games, and the title is most certainly "Wild ARMs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by FaithfulCompanionCube ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I've read through some of the argument you mentioned, and that was what I was referring to earlier. Most attempts at talking it out were halted by one person who has never even played the games accusing everyone who disagreed with them of being a sockpuppet. I don't know what her issue with this person you mention is, but I've yet to see anything to suggest they were even involved at all-especially since no account here bears that name. I'd rather focus on the issue at hand.
You're making a common mistake. Wild ARMs 2 has two acronyms. "ARMS", the name of the group the main characters make up, and "ARMs", the name of the guns wielded in the game. The latter is where the title comes from, which is present in some form in every game. The truth is that it was never "Arms". Someone just changed it to that a while ago, then someone changed it back, and some person with a grudge reverted it again just to cause trouble. There doesn't need to be an argument. Wiki has its policy regarding acronyms in titles being kept as-is, and the official title has been confirmed and supported by various sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FaithfulCompanionCube ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
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The title should be Wild ARMs, only A-R-M should be in Caps. CyberSkull 23:30, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
Ok, upon further consideration (and after I finished fixing the links >.<) I have come to the conclusion that this article should be Wild ARMs series, since it contains info on all of them. CyberSkull 04:33, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
Wild ARMs 2 is the same as Second Ignition. No need to have a different link and page for it. -- Zeno McDohl 03:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
I object to the change in capitalization brought forward. This is a Bad Meme that clearly originated with RPGamer several years ago, one which I've been tracking for quite some time and would like to see corrected.
There is no evidence of "ARM" being capitalized in the title from original US or Japanese sources (Neither Sony Computer Entertainment America nor Sony Computer Entertaiment, Inc.). xSEED games and Agetec only capitalized that name in the title by going purely on media and fan sources—who were, in turn, acting off of the badly-capitalized information from RPGamer.
Further, on a subjective level, it's sort of baseless to use the capitalization of "ARM" due to its use as an acronym in the series; as stated in the entry itself, the acronym "ARMS" has also been used—as both an acronym for an organization (Wild Arms 2nd Ignition) and as a type of weapon (The anime Wild Arms Twilight Venom, creation of which was sactioned directly by Sony Computer Entertaiment). In addition, the noun "Arms" also has several meanings which Media Vision is quite aware of, as they are used thematically throughout the series.
Thematics are subjective, however, I'll admit; we could argue subjectivity all day, and there's precious little place for subjectivity here, so we'll elide that. Let's rely on fact instead.
By the evidence that I have seen presented, there are only two official capitalization schemes that I have actually seen used:
I have not seen any other configuration that has not been from a media or fan source, nor from a publisher/localization house that is not Sony.
Now. if you have any official evidence at all challenging this—any evidence whatsoever that I might have missed— please bring it forward. I'd very much like to see it; if it proves me wrong, I will happily hold my peace on this matter. But if there is nothing else that may be brought forward, I would request that the matter be discussed.
Much appreciated. Thank you. -- E. Megas 03:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Both the manual and game case for the fourth game refer to itself as "Wild ARMs 4".. 69.183.52.75 00:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
For one, you are mistaken, the edit warring was not just over the title changes. A massive amount of info was changed or incorrectly altered, and the editor also removed references to other games, solely based on the fact that he had not played them.
As for the title, why is this even being discussed? The spelling used in logos counts for nothing, since lots of video games opt to simply capitalize the entire title. Think. Why is this game called "Wild ARMs"? The "Wild" part is obviously because of the heavy Wild West theme in the games. The "ARMs" is obviously because of the "ARMs" in the game, so the spelling would obviously be the same. The fact that XSEED also uses this supports that, and they use it in spite of the logos. I'll contact them, since they actually return their emails with good answers, so but I highly doubt they just got the name from fans. Do you guys honestly believe XSEED or any other company goes around looking how fans spell things? Fragments of Jade ( talk) 07:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It was not an assumption-the editor actually said this as his reason when he edited the references out. In all of the logos for the series, the name is "WILD ARMS", but again, this means nothing. 505 Games also uses "WILD ARMS" just as much as "Wild Arms". Can you prove they just did not assume that was the title based on the complete capitalization of the logo? It's worth nothing they make "assumptions" like this with a lot of their games, including "Ar tonelico". The "ARMs" in the game is undoubtedly the "ARMs" from the title. You bring up ARMS from WA2, but that's a different thing. ARMS is the abbreviation of a squad. The ARMs are featured in that game two, though a lot less than in the other games in the series. And WA: TV takes place in parallel universe to Filgaia. People say they don't support this, but that's hardly proof. And I've never forged an email, so don't even try saying otherwise. You merely chose not to believe the content of one I posted, because it went against your argument. I suggested you email them yourself, but you refused, so you've no right to go around making accusations. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 08:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not a lie-he blatantly said it, and it's really none of your business. I do prove 505 makes titles mistakes, and even provided and exampled-Ar tonelico. Because "ARMS" is something completely seperate from "ARMs" and is in that one game alone and really has nothing to do with the series overall. The games taking place in seperate worlds is nothing but a theory-officially, there is no answer, and this is stated by the creators themselves. Also, said theory is heavily proven wrong by many things within the games themselves, especially by words spoken by Felius in XF, but here is not the place to have that discussion, since it would take up too much space and be full of series spoilers. I posted the entirety of the email, and that's what I was asked to do. You wanted the ticket number, and I was not about to give that to you, since it violates rules and could easily allow you to pretend to be me. Also, I told you I did not want to post the email since you would simply call it fake, which you did. And lastly, I accussed that person of posting a fake email because they did, and their earlier lies hardly helped matters. Why are you even here anyway? Do you even play these games? Because it's more than a little suspicious how you keep popping up on articles where I edit. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 09:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Go to the history of Wild ARMs 5 and see for yourself, or go to his talk page where we briefly discussed it. I put it here because someone else, whose business it also isn't, mentioned it and misunderstood why the editting war happened. And you've been butting in far before it was posted here. They've miscapitalized numerous titles on their site, so why should Wild ARMs be an exception? It's clear that they don't look into the titles of the games they list. The Famitsu article you provide is in Japanese. I've showed it to a friend of mine who speaks the language, but even the most accurate of translations won't help much in this case, due to gaps between the two languages and how many ways certain words can be taken. Stating the games take place in "worlds seperate from eachother" could just mean that the stories revolve around different character and a different main plot, and are thus not direct sequels. I'd guess you've never played XF, since the parallel worlds issue is touched upon and somewhat cleared up. And for the millionth time-I posted the whole of the email. There's no more text to post. You did indeed ask for the ticket, and you pretending to be me was a risk, and even if unintended, would be what the email receivers would have thought, since tickets are not meant to be shared. I'm not going into detail about that here, because that issue has nothing to do with this, and you need to just let it drop. My accusations were well-based, while yours were not. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 10:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Look, just get lost. I'm not going through this again with you. I doubt you've ever even played this game. You're just gonna keep spouting absolute nonsense, just like you did the other time, so that no one can have any real discussion. That way, people will just get sick of it and give in to what you want. Well, that's not going to happen here. The title is, and will always be, "Wild ARMs". Anyone who has played the games knows what "ARMs" are, and it would make no sense for it to be spelled differently. As for the worlds issue, no one can talk sense to one-sided people like you, who refuse to accept any wrong on their own part. You don't even know Japanese, so what is being said in that article is not clear to you, and even if you did by some chance know the language, there's still no way he could be being "crystal clear", since the language gap would never let it happen. Go play your games elsewhere, so the rest of us can have a serious discussion. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 11:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I repeat, just get lost. I'm getting sick of you stalking me. You only show up to join arguments when I get involved with them, and you never contribute anything of any actual value, just lie and make nasty remarks. It's impossible for anyone to have a discussion when you're involved. If you had actually played the games, then you would understand why the game is titled "Wild ARMs" as opposed to any other spelling. And you would know why it it pretty much impossible for the games to take place in parallel worlds. But since you have "barely even played one", you don't know anything about it. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 11:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I can tell you whatever I want. The only reason you're here is to try and start trouble with me, and it's getting old. You know nothing about the games-you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. And as for proof, you haven't posted a thing, whereas I have. I've posted proof that 505 games incorrectly capitalizes games all the time, I've pointed out that it's made very clear in XF that the games cannot take place in parallel worlds, I've provided the painfully obvious reason why "Wild ARMs" is the correct spelling, and much more. You need to get over your psychotic need to argue with me and get involved in my life-it's rude and seriously creepy. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 11:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
More lies and insults from you, as expected. You just can't handle being wrong. You haven't proved a thing, you're just grasping at straws. The 505 site is full of title errors, which makes it clear they just use basic capitalization for all titles. And on the flipside, you have not done anything to prove their spelling wasn't an error, even though all the other titles on the site would suggest as much. And they also used the "WILD ARMS" spelling as well. You have yet to provide one logical reason why XSEED is wrong, and your whole "they just took the spelling the fans are using" is bogus. Let's see some proof of that claim. Let's see some proof that the obvious title of "Wild ARMs" is wrong. "Arms" doesn't even make sense at all, as arms themselves have nothing to do with the story, whereas "ARMs" are a major part of the plot. It's similiar to the popular title "NiGHTS into Dreams". No matter how many people opt to say "Nights into Dreams", that will never be the official title, as it's named after the main character "NiGHTS", who is going into dreams. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 12:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Again, just go away. You're not here for a discussion-you're here to harass me and try to start a fight. The burden of finding proof is not on me. You're the one who is trying to challenge what is written in the articles. "Wild Arms" is a title that makes no sense. "Wild ARMs", on the other hand does, and you have nothing that proves this spelling is not the proper one. The games themselves support that spelling. Your claims citing WA2 and TV were shot down, as was everything you have presented, so just go. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 14:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
You need to stop stalking me and making up lies. "ARMs" is the official title, after the guns in the series, and EVERY GAME supports this by featuring them. You have no room to talk about it, since you've already admitted to barely even playing one. Thus, you have no basis for essentially every thing that you are saying. You can't say the games don't support that, nor can you say anything about WA2 or TV. You're just making up stuff. Fighting for the sake of fighting is immature and wrong, so just quit it already. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 18:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Not content with simply restoring original research, bias/POV issues, strange capitalisations, removing punctuation, etc (as in this diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wild_Arms_5&diff=231947966&oldid=231889913), FoJ is now in such a rush to change every 'Arm' to 'ARM' that they are now breaking links to character pages and categories (as in this diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wild_Arms_2&diff=231949455&oldid=231948722), not to mention the spelling mistakes (seriously, FoJ, how hard is it to check dictionary.com to find out 'monikor' is not a word?) and mistaken word usage (you could have also used dictionary.com to find out what 'transverse' means). Mr T (Based) ( talk) 18:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
No links are being broken-I made sure to double-check all of them. And it was actually you, in your hurry to revert my last edit that caused "moniker" to go back to being mispelled. If you'd bothered to look at my edit before undoing it, you'd see that the spelling mistakes you fixed were left intact. And for the record, it was originally "monikure"-YOUR edit changed it to "monikor".
Again, you can't say anything valid about something you know nothing about, 88. The official materials all use "WILD ARMS". However, this is something quite common with Japanese items, as most of the official materials I have for games prefert to use all-capitals for everything but the game subtitles. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 19:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Not a single link on that page is broken. And your official links just include more "WILD ARMS", so you're still not proving anything. And where "Wild Arms" would be an easy mistake to make, "Wild ARMs" would not be. And it is also used for all the games. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 19:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not broken, and the Wild ARMs category link, despite being in red, actually works just fine. You should try being patient some time, such as when a redirect was being done for the character page. Making letters bigger than others means nothing, so I do not know why you are even bringing it up. And you are mistaken if you believe companies play the games much before actually writing articles about them. I would be very surprised if any of the XSEED staff has ever even played the games, other than a few for their own entertainment. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 19:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Don't call me names. I said in my last post that you just needed to be patient while I redirected it. And the category link did still work, it just didn't show everything. The very fact that you're now trying to claim the size of letters is relevant to your argument proves you're running out of ideas. You don't have anything conclusive. The game is called Wild ARMs because of the ARMs in the game-no other variation of this title would make sense. And, if that is not enough to convince, there are actually "Wild ARMs" in the game. Aside from ARMs know for going wild because of the Resistance Impulse and various other things, there is an actual dialogue in the game that speaks of "Wild ARMs". Of course, if you had played the games, you would know that. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 20:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
"Wild Arms" could easily just be mistake, since one who had never played the game would naturally assume that to be the title. Also, it is not used all that widely, while many other great sources do use "Wild ARMs". It's "ARMs" in the game, and there are even "Wild ARMs" in the game. You're losing more and more ground here-you better find something solid to stand on. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 20:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
You think games are just given names for the heck of it? They are given specific names for a reason. This game has nothing to do with "arms", but it has everything to do with "ARMs" and them going wild, as well as the Wild West theme. "Wild ARMs" could not easily be a mistake. Looking at the title "WILD ARMS", no one who has not massively played the series would not automatically think "ARMs", but "Arms". Just like how "SILENT HILL" was released as "Silent Hill", which is also it's name in the game. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 20:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually, even on the Japanese releases it is "SoulCalibur". The space may be ommited, but because the "C" is capitalized, you can still view them as seperate words put together to look fancy. "Arms" as opposed to "ARMs" would make no sense. There are no "Wild Arms" in the game, only various forms of "Wild ARMs". Fragments of Jade ( talk) 21:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Lack of a space is just a fancy touch. And yes, it's actually "Wild ARMs" in the dialogue. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 21:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
No, because the capitalization is meant to go with the ARMs featured within the game. "Wild Arms" makes no sense whatsoever, and you've yet to provide anything that makes it make sense. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 22:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
A title that makes no sense would not not exist unless it were on purpose. Since the game is called "Wild ARMs", the fact that the last part is spell like the "ARMs" featured heavily in the series and even called "Wild ARMs" and referred to as going wild multiple times in the games. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 23:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not "Soulcalibur"; it's "SoulCalibur". You're point is not a point at all. "Arms" has nothing at all to do with the game, thus the title "Wild Arms" would make no sense at all. You've no basis at all for your argument. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 00:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
The title is always listed as SoulCalibur on the boxes. Either way, removing the space does not change anything. The sword's name is still intact. That's not the case with "ARMs", since it actually stands for something. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 00:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've played these games for many years, and my vote will always be with "Wild ARMs". Like Fragments stated, the "ARMs" play a big part in the series, and because of the Resistance Impulse, gene modification that can end in disaster, and their general reputation, the weapons are often "Wild ARMs" and are referred to as exactly that at least once in the series. Weisheit-A Sane Kind of Madness ( talk) 01:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
It may be the only case in which the actual term "Wild ARMs" is used, but there are many records of them going wild, still. Weisheit-A Sane Kind of Madness ( talk) 02:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Any progress on the name change back? Will someone process Nightstallion's request, or should I attend to the move myself? -- E. Megas 18:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
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As it has been on hold more than 7 days, I'm jumping in to pass this article for GAC. Good job! The only thing I had reservations about was that you were using gameFAQs as a source- random people's faqs aren't a very reliable source. I passed it anyway, though, as none of the cites in question were of major importance, but I still recommend finding a better source. -- PresN 08:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Where is it that media vision is a subsidiary of Sony? Just want clarification that this is a fact, and it should be cited somewhere.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.133.139.5 ( talk) 16:22, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Could it be said somewhere on how to pronounce "Elw," perhaps have the Katakana spelling of it, since no Anglophone will have any remote idea on how to pronounce it? I actually think it's "el-loo" since the Katakana spelling I think is "Eruu." Jmg124 ( talk) 15:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
That's how it's pronounced, though it's a spoiler how I know that.^^ I agree with you, though. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 07:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Let's just say the world is verbally said in Wild ARMs XF. Anything more would be saying too much. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 08:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Problem? Fragments of Jade ( talk) 09:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not being "mysterious", I'm being considerate. There's no reason to post spoilers here. "Elw" is amongst the dialogue spoken in the game, and that's really all that needs to be said. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 09:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The exact context in which the word is used would be considered a spoiler. Fragments of Jade ( talk) 10:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
So... I'm changing the capitalization of the title to "Wild Arms" for the reasons I've cited in the previous discussion (besides, the names of the relevant articles use that capitalization already, so it's a bit weird right now), but if somebody has some good arguments for rolling them back to "Wild ARMs", this looks like a good place to discuss them... Erigu ( talk) 00:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
You're supposed to make discussions BEFORE making changes, to prevent edit-warring. The series is "Wild ARMs". All of the games center around the "ARMs", and 4th Detonator even centers around "Wild ARMs" specifically. "Wild Arms" wouldn't make any sense. "Thousand Arms" uses that capitalization because you play as a blacksmith who makes many different kinds of "Arms". But it's the "ARMs" that go wild in the "Wild ARMs" series. And you can't rely on the boxes or sites, since those commonly completely capitalize or don't capitalize titles, regardless of what they should be. TwilightRukia ( talk) 03:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Also, XSEED, has stated XF, 4, and 5 as "Wild ARMs", so I would hardly say there's nothing to support it. The sites for the earlier games all seem to use various capitalizations, suggesting those people actually have no idea what the actual title is. I've emailed XSEED in hopes to get more information, as they are known for actually providing valid answers. TwilightRukia ( talk) 04:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Again, who is Jade? Are you mistaking me for a friend of yours or something? Your attitude is kind of getting on my nerves. And I did. Email them for yourself if it's that big a deal. Sheesh. TwilightRukia ( talk) 07:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Look, I've got no idea what you're talking about, but the edits you are making are harmful. The capitalization of the title is still in debate, and you are being very rude going around and messing with over a dozen articles. I asked you politely to stop this and join in the discussion, but you refused and are being extremely discourteous. XSEED games, the company in charge of three games in the series, have been using the title of "Wild ARMs", and that is more than enough to warrant some more discussion. Are you just trying to start an edit war or something? I find your behavior rather off-putting. TwilightRukia ( talk) 08:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Lying? About what? I was very polite on your talk page, so I'm not sure what you claim I'm "lying" about. Stop changing the subject. TwilightRukia ( talk) 08:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I really have little interest in editing here on Wiki-I just came here to see if there was any info on the next game in the series and noticed the title had changed,-but thought I'd pop in and mention that XSEED issued an official statement regarding the capitalization of the title some time ago, because people kept asking them about it. "Wild ARMs" is in fact the official title of the whole series, since "ARM" is an acronym. "WILD ARMS" and "Wild Arms" are only used in the legal lines for the sake of simplicity. This email from them has been circulating for quite some time, and if you don't believe it, give me an email address and I'll forward it to you. Arguing back and forth as you guys have been is pointless, since an official statement on the issue is already out. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 12:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Are you insane? Look, I don't know what you're playing at, but you can't solve all your problems by accusing people of stuff. If you want to edit Wikipedia, you should care if the information you are adding is correct. Judging by the look of this page, it's like you are so unwilling to admit your mistake, you'll do anything to cover it up, even if it means tossing accusations at innocent people. I don't care what you do, since I only made this account for this issue, but you should stop adding incorrect information to this site. There is evidence that proves you wrong, and it's been out in the Wild ARMs community for quite some time. It's going to take a long time for someone to fix this page and whatever other ones you felt it fine to make uncited edits on. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 21:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
How do you go about reporting a possible sockpuppet? Mr T (Based) ( talk) 22:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You guys are pretty shallow. Instead of admitting you're wrong, you're doing whatever you can to try and get me blocked. First by undoing my edits repeatedly, forcing me to violate the revert rule, and now by accusing me of being someone else. You can't "link" to an email, and yes, that is how XSEED announces things to their fans-it's right on their official site for all to see, not that either of you will bother to look. And it was not an announcement. Some fans emailed them at: comments@xseedgames.com . That email was the reply, from a man who works there named Ken. Forwarding it seemed the best way, since then you can't try and say it's a fake or has been messed with in some way. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 22:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
What is wrong with you?! You CANNOT LINK TO AN EMAIL. I'm offering to send it directly to you, yet you refuse. Why? Because you know you're wroing, and you don't care. It's like all the two of you care about is trying to get people blocked. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You edit, but generally in a harmful manner. Even if you know you are wrong or adding/removing information you shouldn't, you still do so. I've seen it for myself. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Stop moving around and messing with my posts! You two are the ones who should be blocked from here! WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
That's right. You weren't. WhenTheyCry ( talk) 23:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, I'm guessing no one here has checked out the official site for Wild ARMs 5? If you look at the "History of the Series" section, it explains how the series got its title. Sorry, but it really is "Wild ARMs". I'd provide a link, but it's one of those flash sites where the url doesn't change when you visit different sections. "Wild ARMs" is also on the back of the boxes for 4 and 5, and is featured in the artbook for 5 repeatedly. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 01:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I told you-the official site. wildarms5.com or something like that. It's a flash site-you can't link to specific sections. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 02:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I have done no such thing. I have only posted the facts, as did the users above me, who pointed out the email sent out by XSEED, which not only confirms the title as "Wild ARMs", but explains the use of "ARMS" and "Arms". You and the other editor-Mr. T-have accused every single person who posts in support of "ARMs" of being a sockpuppet. In other words, everyone who disagrees with you must be someone's duplicate account? That is what's truly insulting-you two doing whatever to discredit anyone who dares to disagree with you. And even your accusations aside, more than enough proof has surfaced to prove that your variation of this game's title is wrong, but instead of looking at it, you pretend it doesn't exist. You don't care about this series, so why can't you just realize that you are wrong? It seems as though the only reason you even changed the capitalization in the first place was attention. Just face the truth-you are wrong. The title is Wild ARMs. No matter how many people you accuse or get blocked, that fact is not going to change. What's truly sad is how you keep doing this just to hurt people and avoid facing up to your mistakes. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 06:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I did not ignore them-I answered you already. And no, that was not me. They posted the email, which explains what you asked-why XSEED and other sites often used "Wild Arms" or "WILD ARMS". For the sake of simplicity, it was used in legal lines only. And if you doubt this email exists, why did you refuse their offer to forward it to? Or better yet, why don't you contact XSEED and ask them yourself? If you really care about what is the truth, then that would be the easiest way. And then you can't claim someone was lying or trying to trick you. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 06:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You seem to suffer from selective reading. XSEED stated that reason as why ALL the companies do that, and it makes sense, since it's done with many other games as well. The email is all over the place, but if you want it, just email XSEED. I could even hunt down the address and give it to you if you're too lazy to look it up yourself. It's comments@xseedgames.com . Since you claim I'm some liar, why should I post it? No matter who posts it, you will just claim it's fake or accuse them of being a fake, so why do you refuse to take a minute or two to type up your own email to XSEED and ask them about the title yourself. That way, no one can "lie" to you. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 06:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
No, they specifically stated companies other than themselves did it for that reason as well. And I believe I just said there is no point posting it or linking to it-you'll just say it is a fake. And yet, you are refusing to email them and ask yourself. Why? Because you know their answer will prove you wrong. So far, there is the email, which explains the reason why "ARMS" and "Arms" are used, as well as confirms the title as "Wild ARMs". Then there is the official site that gives the series' history and even explains the title. And then there is the fact that the games all feature "Wild ARMs" in some form. You have no evidence supporting your claim at all. Just admit you are wrong already. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 07:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You just refuse to accept the truth. And you know that is what you would do-you're already saying everyone who has seen it is a liar. Stop whining and email them yourself. But you won't, because all you care about is the attention-not the article. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 07:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You're a very sad person, from what I can see. You had destroyed every article for this game, solely for attention. And whoever points out you are wrong is instantly accused of being a duplicate account. You report this person to a friend of yours of the admin staff, who then blocks them immediately, without even bothering to investigate. And you have been doing this for months. Your life seems to consist of nothing but ruining Wikipedia articles and getting people blocked for simply disagreeing with you, when you are wrong in the first place. You need to learn to accept your mistakes. Fans of the series could tell you that you are wrong. Even XSEED can tell you that you are wrong. But apparently, they're liars too, so you won't contact them to see for yourself. Have fun living in your lonely world of denial, where everyone who disagrees with you by pointing out the obvious and proven must be the same person, out to get you. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 07:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not abusing anything-that's all in YOUR head. The title is "Wild ARMs", so you changing it was the wrong edit, especially when it was a matter still being debated at the time. When someone finally realizes you are wrong who can actually stop your psychotic behavior, it's going to take forever to fix all those articles. And Wikia? Wikia is no different from Wikipedia-controlled by corrupt admins and ruined by people like you. I'll trust the Wild ARMs Wiki anyday, since that's controlled solely by fans only, and your little admin friends have no power there. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 08:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
You really must be crazy. Even to prove my point, there is no way I would EVER give you that link. You've already ruined all the Wild ARMs articles here, and I refuse to allow you to do the same thing there. Besides, you seem to enjoy stalking people over the internet, so why not find it yourself? IceQueenAvril ( talk) 08:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I said only that your admin friends would have no power there. People like you would quickly be blocked, but that doesn't mean I'm giving you the link. And the second one you posted is currently under construction-the admin there is in the process of fixing all the titles to say "Wild ARMs", but she has been busy with real life. You should do a little more research before you post your so called evidence. Elmina is actually a true fan and is aware her Wiki is wrong and plans to fix it. SHE can admit when something is wrong, but she had it that way because, like with the companies, it was simpler until she could sit down and do serious editting. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 08:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
That's funny, coming from the one who is really lying here-you. And a typo does not make someone a duplicate account. Get real. And yeah, she is. But a liar like you would hardly care one way or another. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 09:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Wow, that was almost admitting you were wrong. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 09:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Because every person who disagrees with you-essentially every person who's actually PLAYED the games-are all the same person. Yeah, that doesn't sound insane. And I haven't lied, and you know it. You're the one who keeps on lying. IceQueenAvril ( talk) 09:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
In a request for an outside opinion, I note that capitalization conventions that have been cited here only apply to namespaces and even there, they have exceptions for acronyms. As a quick google search for reliable sources gives spelling for both versions on the same site it is best to go with the offical company naming as that is what most people will know it by. I am not alone in this either we are discussing it as you speak. If you cannot agree upon and act with civility I am strongly considering asking for formal mediation as this affects not only this article, but all other Wild ARMs articles and many articles of similar nature. If you don't like that idea, we can explore other ideas, but one way or another this will be solved as the it is causing diruption. じん ない 06:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I am wanting an opinion on what the names for these articles and title ingame given our policies and guidelines. I would also like a review of everyone involved here to make sure they were not being disruptive. I believe at least 1 edit of a flame was removed, perhaps more.
-withdrawn.
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Should it be "Wild Arms" or "Wild ARMs"? I vote "Arms" since it looks better. - Norse Am Legend ( talk) 23:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
It's not just a point of looking better, though, but what is correct. "Wild Arms" honestly doesn't make any sense at all, and XSEED has confirmed that it's only used in legal lines for the sake of simplicity. The games also establish "ARMs", as they are in and often a main focus of them. "Wild ARMs" in particular have been included in several of the titles as part of the plot. Also, if you look at the XSEED official site, they call it "Wild ARMs", and the official site for Wild ARMs 5 goes a step further and even explains the title, pointing out how it means something different in each game. And according to Wiki rules, acronyms in titles should be left as-is. I've played all the games, and the title is most certainly "Wild ARMs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by FaithfulCompanionCube ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I've read through some of the argument you mentioned, and that was what I was referring to earlier. Most attempts at talking it out were halted by one person who has never even played the games accusing everyone who disagreed with them of being a sockpuppet. I don't know what her issue with this person you mention is, but I've yet to see anything to suggest they were even involved at all-especially since no account here bears that name. I'd rather focus on the issue at hand.
You're making a common mistake. Wild ARMs 2 has two acronyms. "ARMS", the name of the group the main characters make up, and "ARMs", the name of the guns wielded in the game. The latter is where the title comes from, which is present in some form in every game. The truth is that it was never "Arms". Someone just changed it to that a while ago, then someone changed it back, and some person with a grudge reverted it again just to cause trouble. There doesn't need to be an argument. Wiki has its policy regarding acronyms in titles being kept as-is, and the official title has been confirmed and supported by various sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FaithfulCompanionCube ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
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