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Any idea on which physical principle it works?-- Nemissimo II 09:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, on the question about why the American Wiis came with Wii Sports and not the Japanese is simply because Nintendo wanted North American to become more fimilar with Wii's new technology- J CIP 20:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Apparently a pair of candles work instead of the sensor bar, i saw a vid on youtube while i was looking at "Wii have a problem." the link is http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/index.php?p=2, the inserted window under the title "sensor bar optional!?" 69.210.208.47 23:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The sensor bar emits infrared light at both end of the bar. The remote sees these two lights, and judging from where the lights are in it's field of view, it can see which angle it is pointing relative to the screen. Based on the height of the two lights to each other, it knows if it is tilting one way or the other. Finally, based on how far apart the two lights appear from each other, it knows how close or far away it is from the screen. Adding this information to the remote's own tilt sensing and accelerometer (motion sensing), this gives the system a great deal of data explaining the remotes location and orientation in 3D space. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Adeon/bar.jpg Bradibus 21:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Its called the Wii-mote not wii remote, If you dont know about it dont edit it!!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach The Video Game Guy ( talk • contribs) .
Wikipedians should not seek to determine who is "right" or "wrong." They should instead follow procedure to determine common usage on an objective basis. Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. The most common use of a name takes precedence. If the common name conflicts with the official name, use the common name except for conflicting scientific names. The name "Wiimote" is 1.61 times more prevalent than "Wii Remote" in the Google search excluding the term "wikipedia" and only showing results in English (other languages uses are not relevant on the English Wikipedia). Below are Google result numbers as retrieved on November 27 2006.
Is it acceptable to use "Wiimote" as the section name and use "The Wiimote, officially named the Wii Remote, is a one-handed controller that…" as the opening line? Jecowa 04:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Stop arguing! And for the record, it is called the Wii-mote. Check the nintendo page for the wii, it says it on that web page. So, someone change the name of the remote to the Wii-mote!! Oh, and you can also hook up another part to the remote called the Nunchuck. Oh and also, how can anyone edit it if you keep protecting it you [Thoughtless comment removed.]! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.63.18.184 ( talk • contribs) .
TJ Spyke, would you please continue to discus here. You had stopped responding to the discussion here. Jecowa 01:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry your wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28common_names%29 Clearly states that the common name is to be used and whilst it talks about the page titles as a special case, it does not make a distinction against titles of things used in a page. It's been demonstrated that its common name is Wiimote. Placing the hidden text about not changing it without consulting the talk page was presumptious because this dispute has not been solved. It is a fact that according to Wikipedia guidelines the title of the section and the title of the separate article should be Wiimote, with the official name mentioned in the text of the article. Ajmayhew 14:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
1. wiimote is a stupid term. thuse it is irrelevant 2. only wiinies use the term wiimote. thuse it is superfoulis ok? you do that and then i'll either consend and drop the point or tell you why each of your points fails to prove you position. than you can post why i'm incurrect. we keep the 1,2,3 format so that it can be more appearent who is correct. also, make sure to include what you are arguing, is it superfoulis, irrelevant, or offensive? J.L.Main 06:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it's quite clear that "Wiimote" is more commonly used and therefore deserves at least a "... Wii Remote, sometimes referred to as Wiimote,..." statement in the Wii article. It doesn't matter which term is the official or unofficial one. As long as "Wiimote" is a frequent term - even more frequent than "Wii Remote" - it deserves to be mentioned in the Wii article. Lord E 14:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC) i assume you mean the wiimote section of the wii artical. the wiimote artical already mentions it. J.L.Main 23:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC) TJ, its been two days. where are your arguments? did you discover they were indeed non-existent? if you don't reply soon i'm going to assume you have conceded. J.L.Main 06:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Bobcheezy 00:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This discussion has been taken much further than is really needed. Wii Remote and Wii-mote, as far as I know, are not used more than the other by a significant margin. I have friends who each prefer different terms. Regardless, Wikipedia's primary purpose is to dispense information while not completely confusing the reader. I would personally support mention of the "Wii-mote" nickname in the section of this article that discusses the Wii remote. However, in order to avoid confusion, I think that when reading an encyclopedia article a person often expects a "formal" tone to the writer. For this reason, I think that the title for the Wii remote article should remain as the official name. If the nickname Wii remote was used almost exclusively among the population I would be in support of using the Wiimote nickname. More important than those opinions however, is perhaps the resolution issue in a civil manner without any more name calling. Keep in mind that because there is not a significant difference in popular usage between the terms that this tiny bit of information is not nearly as consequential as the length of this disscussion suggests. Agaib 05:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Edit: Oops, apologies, I didn't notice the discussion below.
Wasn't it decided to hold off on posting MHz details till IBM, ATI or Nintendo said something on the subject? When did the IGN numbers get added back in? Is there a new more reliable named source for them? The IBM technical specifications on the processor that is suspected to be the Broadway (the 750CL) has a clockspeed listed of up to 900MHz and it is apparently designed to use speed step quite heavily, the rumor has been going around since those details were made available that the rather odd clockspeed of 729MHz is simply an average speed.
I guess that until Nintendo tells us what's inside or someone opens up his Wii and takes a look at the partnumbers on the chips, we won't be certain what's inside. IMHO, the info put on the page should reflect the information currently released. And that means it's a PowerPC codenamed Broadway produced on 90nm SOI CMOS. Everything else is pure speculation. ( Mausy5043 20:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC))
Is USA today combined with the IGN article enough to put the hardware details in? ( Catprog 05:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC))
The article states "24 MB "internal" 1T-SRAM integrated into graphics die" but http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20061127/124495/?SS=imgview_e&FD=-623367583 possibly shows two separate dies... Note can't actually tell what the two dies contain from the photo. This memory is probably on the graphics chip? but not necessarily on the same die. Can anyone check this.. Thanks. 87.102.4.180 16:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Hollywood doesn't have Vertex Shaders? The article linked as a source for this reference offers no data to support this, and does not make this claim. It actually stands to reason that the Wii's graphics chip would be smaller than the Gamecubes because the Wii's chip is made on a smaller process (90nm instead of 180nm). As the Wii seems to be perfectly capable of the same kind of effects that the gamecube is I'd mark this claim as highly questionable, especially based on the poor evidence provided and would suggest that it be removed quickly. 64.6.0.233 06:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wii&diff=94593118&oldid=94593045
Mummy, I need a Wii.
The statement said that the Gamecube lacked it as well, rather than the Gamecube supporting it. As far as I know it is true that the Gamecube lacks pixel and vertex shader support. As for the Wii, I'll research this. Dionyseus 21:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
This article here from Kotaku claims that the "Hollywood" costs about $30. Dionyseus 22:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I've heard that NES, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and GameCube games work on the Wii system. Is that true? If it is, I think it should be mentioned in the article. Voortle 03:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Considering I actually own the console in question, I will settle this one: Yes, gamecube games are fully compatible with the Wii, and there is a a set of four ports on the top under a flap that allows for plugging in the Gamecube controller (Wii looks a little weird when you have Wavebird controller adpaters sticking out the top!). NES, SNES, N64 (and a couple others i think) are available for download from the online shop for the virtual console. It's 800 Wii points for a Mega drive game like Sonic, and about 1000 (£7.99 sterling) for N64, others varying. Zarroc 11:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I am surprised to see Brazil's price, which is far higher than the rest, and I am wondering if this is the official price from nintendo.-- w_tanoto 10:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a bit off topic, but does anyone know why the price difference is so large? It costs upwards of $1,000 in Brazil, for crying out loud. Does anyone know why this is? -- Poromenos 14:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Offtopic too, but in Colombia, though not so high, is the same or higher than an xbox 360 core, so I think is ridiculous to make a cheap console to sell at relatively high prices in poor countries. 200.21.238.118 00:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Basically I think it just depends on what has to be paid to get the consoles into the coutry, then accounting the inflation costs of the ocal country as well. (Yes, I am typing this while watcing my £179.99 Sterling Wii download Sonic and Bomberman, sorry.) Zarroc 11:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
For a while now, we've had the line, "it is the successor to the Nintendo GameCube and competes against Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3."
Now, here's the thing... When they first announced the concept behind the revolution (eventually renamed wii), they made it very clear that they weren't directly competing with Sony and Microsoft. They were aiming for a different market (which actually touches on what Stratadrake was mentioning). To that end, both Microsoft and Sony endorsed the wii, for the sake of turning people away from their actual competition (ie. Microsoft wanted to steer people away from PS3, and Sony wanted to steer people away from the 360).
Certainly, the case could be made that the wii is still competing anyways... but that would really be just a point of view.
More specifically, if Nintendo's plan was to not compete against the PS3 and 360, then you'd have to make a pretty strong argument to definitively state that they are in direct competition anyways. Otherwise, it's POV and unacceptable content.
Opinions? Suggestions? I'll leave it a day or two before I make the change to the article.
Bladestorm
18:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Come to think of it, both Sony and Nintendo also said they weren't targeting the same market when the PSP and DS came out, and indeed, it's usually only hardcore gamers who own BOTH units, while the more technically inclined tended to get just the PSP. The DS, on the other hand, seemed like a simpler system so a wider range of folks picked it up instead. This is kinda like the Wii philosophy right? But I do agree Nintendo really isnt targeting just the gamers or Sony or MS; they're going after EVERYONE while Sony alienates with PS3's confoundingly high price, and Microsoft perpetuates the conventional style of console gaming. Nintenboy01 21:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I think it's been a day now... I'll be making the change to indicate that it's of the same generation as the PS3 and 360, and let people draw their own conclusions as far as competition is concerned. My primary point was that Nintendo originally said that they weren't directly competing, and if you're going to contradict Nintendo in a Nintendo hardware article, then you need to back it up. The assertion that, "it's a simple fact" isn't really sufficient without something to back it up. So, um, yeah. I'll just list the verifiable parts. If it really is obvious that it's in competition, then people should have no problems drawing that conclusion for themselves. :)
Bladestorm
17:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Edit: Well, I've done the best I can. I couldn't find a way to mention the PS3 and 360 right in the article, though of course you can see their names by following the 7th gen link. (For that matter, it isn't necessarily necessary to mention other hardware that isn't directly related to the topic) Anyways, if you can think of a better way to phrase it, without making direct claims of competition, feel free.
Bladestorm
18:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, I think you guys are taking Nintendo's statements too seriously. Remember that since the days of the N64 Nintendo has sort of lived in its own little world and tends to ignore what its competition is doing, making some decidedly dumb business decisions like many other comapnies do (IE, using limited cartridges for N64, releasing the awkward Virtual Boy, using their own mini-DVDs for GCN rather than higher capacity discs, etc). In terms of content and style they're in a class all by themselves, but they ARE still in the same overall market as Sony and Microsoft, so in that sense they are still competing for the gamer's dollars. Nintenboy01 21:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Update: I think the current phrasing is a reasonable compromise. An unofficial/unspoken rivalry between the systems is okay to include. Bladestorm 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
If someone makes a really great microwave, and it cooks food extremely efficiently and well, yet they state they aren't competing with other brands of microwaves on the market, however many many people buy this microwave because it does the job well, then its competing with other microwaves, right? Even if one person buys a Wii instead of a PS3 then they are competing. It many people buy Wii's instead of PS3's then they are in direct competition.-- 220.237.10.97 00:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Why don't we mention both? Nintendo is targeting a different market (older people) than the other consoles, but as a seventh generation gaming console it competes with Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 at some levels. Jecowa 19:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
i found this in the reggie-fils anne page: "One of our competitors is a manufacturer in Japan who wants to capture every one of your entertainment dollars transporting all your content between all of your electronic devices on their memory sticks. We are not that company. And there is another company out there who doesn't care what you do, as long as you do it on their operating system. We are not that company either." - Regarding Nintendo's competitors (Sony and Microsoft, respectively). this is a quote from the man himself. im still undecided either way though Pandapatrol 16:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo has created a false shortage in the United States with the Wii. Unlike the PS3, which involves a new technology, there are no parts or chips in the Wii that are in short supply; thus there is no reason to make it unavailable to people during the holiday season. Based on sales of Game Cube and DS, Nintendo had to have had an idea of what to produce and put into the market place, and would surely want the fourth quarter sales. It will be unfortunate if children bear the brunt of this cold marketing ploy. Shore828 - can't find a tilde on my keyboard.
Wal-mart might have something do do with the "shortage". They only get 3 wiis per store. (at least where I live) Cfive 23:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Recently found out that the Wii was the fastest selling platform in Europe, o heres a Brits POV on things. Personally, If you don;t have the sense to make sure that you have apreorder, or are going to go somewhere that will possibly be importing three thousand (thats the current chance of picking one up here BTW, 3,000:1, until more come in next Wii-k, get it?) then you really are't gonna get one by xmas. the problem is that if the stores are flooded, then the whole point of capitalism drops off the table, cos there are so many. It's bit of a delicate balance, and definitely NOT a false shortage Zarroc 11:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd resume the discussion down here, because it was getting a bit high up in an already full page. (Incidentally, if anyone knows how to archie this talk page, it'd be much appreciated)
I think it's important to distinguish between a "common name", and a "nickname".
Wiimote is a nickname. (To be fair about my own personal bias, "wiimote" is what I personally choose to call it)
Wii Remote is the official name. Many people (myself included) like to refer to it as a 'wiimote', but very few think that 'wiimote' is the "real" name of the device. That's why it isn't used as the "common name". "Wiimote" is just a fun thing to call it. Nobody would ever seriously suggest referring to GW Bush as "Miserable Failure", even though I'm getting 351,000 hits for miserable failure, specifically within the context of bush. You'll notice that the PS3 article is listed as "PlayStation 3", even though "ps3" gets nearly three times as many hits as "playstation 3". That's because, while although more people tend to use the nickname of PS3, people still mostly recognize "playstation 3" as being the 'real' name of it. The only difference here being that PS3 is still very much acknowledged (and probably trademarked) by Sony, whileas Nintendo seems to be avoiding "wiimote" in general.
Or, if that's too long to read, a nickname isn't the same as a "common name". And I think most people know that it's "really" known as the "wii remote". That said, I would still absolutely oppose any suggestion in articles that "wiimote" is in any way "incorrect". It can be affectionately referred to as the "wiimote", colloqu... uh, I can't spell it, but you know what I mean... It can even be "unofficially referred to as the 'wiimote'", but not "incorrectly". :)
Bladestorm
18:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
"PS3" is an acronyms and guidelines recommend against using acronyms as article titles. "Miserable Failure" as a title for the George W. Bush article is against the guidelines of neutral point of view. "George W. Bush" is used 17.6 times more on the internet than "Miserable Failure". "Wiimote" is used time more on the internet than "Wii Remote". Additionally, it's unlikely for someone to believe that an acronym, such as "PS3," or a possibly libelous name, such as "Miserable Failure," would be the official or legal name for a subject. "Wiimote," on the otherhand, sounds like it could be the official name for the subject. Portmanteaus are very commonly used in product names, and I believe Japan is especially fond of them. Aquafresh, HeartStart, PlayStation, Famicom, VideoBus, OpenOffice, Adidas, Winterfresh, and Timeblaster are all examples of this. Why do you not want this mentioned? Are there any policies against it? Mentioning "Wiimote" will clear up some people's misconceptions about the name of the controller. As J.L.Main mentioned, some people think the Wii Remote and Wiimote are two different controllers. By saying, "The Wii Remote, unofficially known as the 'Wiimote,'" we would be clearly defining that they are the same as well as alluding that "Wii Remote" is the official name. It would be nice to mention this here at least while the Wii is new and until more people are aware of the official name. "Wiimote" isn't going to be the most common term forever. When it becomes much less common than "Wii Remote," it won't be necessary to mention it here, as people will accept that "Wii Remote" is the real name when they readd it here. Jecowa 03:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Please tell me what official wikipedia guideline or policy "WP:LAME" is, because, obviously, if that were an insult, then that wouldn't go over well as a response to editors acting in good faith.
Anyways, saying that it should be "optimized for readers over editors" still doesn't explain any reason to include it. Saying that it's short isn't any reason to include it. Nicknames of peripherals don't seem necessary or appropriate in an article on the main system. That's my argument. What's your direct reasoning for including it? Without insults, please?
Bladestorm
04:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I could ask what solid arguments there are for not including it? Anyway, remember WP:LAME is not a policy itself but just a documentation on the silliest things that Wiki editors have argued over. And really, this whole edit/revert war over whether or not to mention the Remote's common nickname (a mere four words) fits the common theme exemplified by WP:LAME, i.e. protracted edit and/or revert conflicts over something extremely minor. -- Stratadrake 13:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to state, again, why "As J.L.Main mentioned, some people think the Wii Remote and Wiimote are two different controllers." is not a reason to include it. If you type Wiimote into the search bar, presumably because you want to know about it versus the Wii remote, you will be redirected to Wii Remote, where it clearly states: "The Wii Remote, also nicknamed 'Wiimote.'" I also think having a mention of Wiimote on the Wii page is getting crufty. Again, as mentioned above, Nintendo's official term for the controller is Wii remote, not Wiimote. Now, what reasons to include it are not covered by that paragraph?-- Farquaadhnchmn( Dungeon) 20:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, NOA President Reggie Fils-Aime calls it the wiimote in this video interviewIt's at about 2:58 left. NickCharbuski 22:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Oops! I didn't notice that the discussion continued in another section. Please look at the bottom of the above section if you're interested in My input on the topic. Agaib 05:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Everybody: Please keep in mind that already Wii-centric sources are probably just going to call it 'the Remote' or something similar. Just because there's more usage of "wiimote" than "wii remote" Entirely, doesn't mean that people referring to it as a 'remote' in general should be discounted (these people can just as easily type "wiimote", remember). It's what it is, it's a Remote. For the Wii. Wii Remote. There are 13,700,000 hits for wii AND remote, so I dunno if that means anything. Webrunner 17:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please can I add an external link? http://www.ntsc-uk.com/feature.php?featuretype=hdw&fea=NintendoWiiHardwareReview —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charlesr ( talk • contribs) 10:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
Oooops. I tried adding the link myself, but it got removed. I just read the external links thing again and noticed I'm not allowed to add it myself, especially since I'm the Editor of said site, so apologies! I'll let someone else add it if they want. If you need any more persuasion, ntsc-uk is a non-profit site, with writers that write for free (we get a few games a month from our affiliates in return for a single unobtrusive advert on each page, but no cash profit is generated, so we aren't bothered about generating traffic). Our similar overview of the Panasonic Q has been linked on the wiki's Q page by someone. -- Charlesr 16:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I got rid of the Current Event tag. It's been a couple weeks since the launch, so I think it's appropriate. The PS3 article already had it removed.-- Farquaadhnchmn( Dungeon) 20:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hehe! Ok, I wont antagonize anyone anymore about whether or not the Wii is in direct competition with its fellow 7th gen consoles (It actually seems to be in competition with the DS more) but should Iwata's friendly jab at Sony be mentioned in our article? I quote, "We aren't planning on competing with the PS3, but we'd like it to be said that in the end, Nintendo sold more." Check it out on IGN if you haven't seen it yet. Nintenboy01 21:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The launch games table used to be clear and really easy to read but this new one is so confusing it defeats the purpose of having one. Jimmy93211 00:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Apparently Nintendo exaggerated the amount of units it had sold. According to NPD, Nintendo sold 473,000 Wii units in North America during the month of November, [10] this contradicts Nintendo's claim on November 27 that it had sold 600,000 units in North America. [11] Dionyseus 01:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
How about a section about the wrist strap breaking when the remote (may be) used excessively. Apparently screens are breaking from flying remotes. A critisism if anything. Gaz 01:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Should be noted that on wiihaveaproblem.com, there are only about 15 reports of this happening. its overhyped.
I have a third party strap whch is actually thinner than the standard,and I haven;t had any problem with it. You only have a problem if you physically let go of the Wiimote/Wii-mote/Wii remote (to appease those who think it matters what it is called), and send it through the window while playing baseball or tennis. Seriously, the games are designed so you DON'T have to use that much power, I've sent a 914 ft bat on Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz without sending the controller through my window. if you're using it that hard, you should really take a good look at how you are playing, and read the manual a little more. Zarroc 11:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Well evidently Nintendo thought there were enough accidents to recall all the straps http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236687,00.html-- Dm-schmieder 16:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry link got messed up there http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236687,00.html Dm-schmieder 16:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the recall and the reason for it should be mentioned in the article. I do not see it as of this writing. Monkeybreath 09:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
While it has an article, there should be a short blurb on this one and a "See Wii remote" link put in, since it's very related and most people are going to look on this article for this information first.
On a related note, the section should document what happened, rather than what didn't happen. Just64helpin 17:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps someone could add that the Wiimote strap has been recalled, I don't think I can because of it's protected status-- Cadet hastings 15:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Quatreryukami 16:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Find every occurrence of the word "will" and replace it with "is" or "are" or whatever makes sense. Wii's been out, we're in the present tense...or, we will be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.117.19.131 ( talk) 05:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
If this indeed pans out as a fork in the history of gaming, I think some serious mention of the conceptualizing of the Wii should be made. I seem to remember Myiamoto speaking in an interview around 1999 or so about his ideal system being one simpe enough to be played with one button. That stuck out to me at the time as bizarre, but it seems the vision was clear even then. I don;t have the time or resources to check this out but it might be a fascinating addition to the article. - Plasticbadge 18:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we need to have the same thing mentioned twice in the same paragraph? I thought that mentioning it once was enough so I deleted the second one. This, Nintendo has released an Ethernet Kit for the Wii console, which allows users to connect the console to a standard internet router without wireless support., is what I deleted. If this needs to be changed the whole paragraph needs to be reworded. Thanks,--Darkest Hour $ $ $ $ 19:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
IGN-- User:NFAN3|NFAN3 21:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm hearing the case was dropped but the sources are... well unclear. Anyone know anything?
I just recently got a new remote and strap from Nintendo after replacing my old broken one, and I noticed the new strap is thicker than the ones that were available during launch. I've taken a comparison picture: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Adeon/wiistrap.jpg Bradibus 21:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
This may be the reason. - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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Any idea on which physical principle it works?-- Nemissimo II 09:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, on the question about why the American Wiis came with Wii Sports and not the Japanese is simply because Nintendo wanted North American to become more fimilar with Wii's new technology- J CIP 20:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Apparently a pair of candles work instead of the sensor bar, i saw a vid on youtube while i was looking at "Wii have a problem." the link is http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/index.php?p=2, the inserted window under the title "sensor bar optional!?" 69.210.208.47 23:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The sensor bar emits infrared light at both end of the bar. The remote sees these two lights, and judging from where the lights are in it's field of view, it can see which angle it is pointing relative to the screen. Based on the height of the two lights to each other, it knows if it is tilting one way or the other. Finally, based on how far apart the two lights appear from each other, it knows how close or far away it is from the screen. Adding this information to the remote's own tilt sensing and accelerometer (motion sensing), this gives the system a great deal of data explaining the remotes location and orientation in 3D space. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Adeon/bar.jpg Bradibus 21:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Its called the Wii-mote not wii remote, If you dont know about it dont edit it!!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach The Video Game Guy ( talk • contribs) .
Wikipedians should not seek to determine who is "right" or "wrong." They should instead follow procedure to determine common usage on an objective basis. Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. The most common use of a name takes precedence. If the common name conflicts with the official name, use the common name except for conflicting scientific names. The name "Wiimote" is 1.61 times more prevalent than "Wii Remote" in the Google search excluding the term "wikipedia" and only showing results in English (other languages uses are not relevant on the English Wikipedia). Below are Google result numbers as retrieved on November 27 2006.
Is it acceptable to use "Wiimote" as the section name and use "The Wiimote, officially named the Wii Remote, is a one-handed controller that…" as the opening line? Jecowa 04:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Stop arguing! And for the record, it is called the Wii-mote. Check the nintendo page for the wii, it says it on that web page. So, someone change the name of the remote to the Wii-mote!! Oh, and you can also hook up another part to the remote called the Nunchuck. Oh and also, how can anyone edit it if you keep protecting it you [Thoughtless comment removed.]! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.63.18.184 ( talk • contribs) .
TJ Spyke, would you please continue to discus here. You had stopped responding to the discussion here. Jecowa 01:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry your wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28common_names%29 Clearly states that the common name is to be used and whilst it talks about the page titles as a special case, it does not make a distinction against titles of things used in a page. It's been demonstrated that its common name is Wiimote. Placing the hidden text about not changing it without consulting the talk page was presumptious because this dispute has not been solved. It is a fact that according to Wikipedia guidelines the title of the section and the title of the separate article should be Wiimote, with the official name mentioned in the text of the article. Ajmayhew 14:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
1. wiimote is a stupid term. thuse it is irrelevant 2. only wiinies use the term wiimote. thuse it is superfoulis ok? you do that and then i'll either consend and drop the point or tell you why each of your points fails to prove you position. than you can post why i'm incurrect. we keep the 1,2,3 format so that it can be more appearent who is correct. also, make sure to include what you are arguing, is it superfoulis, irrelevant, or offensive? J.L.Main 06:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it's quite clear that "Wiimote" is more commonly used and therefore deserves at least a "... Wii Remote, sometimes referred to as Wiimote,..." statement in the Wii article. It doesn't matter which term is the official or unofficial one. As long as "Wiimote" is a frequent term - even more frequent than "Wii Remote" - it deserves to be mentioned in the Wii article. Lord E 14:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC) i assume you mean the wiimote section of the wii artical. the wiimote artical already mentions it. J.L.Main 23:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC) TJ, its been two days. where are your arguments? did you discover they were indeed non-existent? if you don't reply soon i'm going to assume you have conceded. J.L.Main 06:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Bobcheezy 00:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This discussion has been taken much further than is really needed. Wii Remote and Wii-mote, as far as I know, are not used more than the other by a significant margin. I have friends who each prefer different terms. Regardless, Wikipedia's primary purpose is to dispense information while not completely confusing the reader. I would personally support mention of the "Wii-mote" nickname in the section of this article that discusses the Wii remote. However, in order to avoid confusion, I think that when reading an encyclopedia article a person often expects a "formal" tone to the writer. For this reason, I think that the title for the Wii remote article should remain as the official name. If the nickname Wii remote was used almost exclusively among the population I would be in support of using the Wiimote nickname. More important than those opinions however, is perhaps the resolution issue in a civil manner without any more name calling. Keep in mind that because there is not a significant difference in popular usage between the terms that this tiny bit of information is not nearly as consequential as the length of this disscussion suggests. Agaib 05:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Edit: Oops, apologies, I didn't notice the discussion below.
Wasn't it decided to hold off on posting MHz details till IBM, ATI or Nintendo said something on the subject? When did the IGN numbers get added back in? Is there a new more reliable named source for them? The IBM technical specifications on the processor that is suspected to be the Broadway (the 750CL) has a clockspeed listed of up to 900MHz and it is apparently designed to use speed step quite heavily, the rumor has been going around since those details were made available that the rather odd clockspeed of 729MHz is simply an average speed.
I guess that until Nintendo tells us what's inside or someone opens up his Wii and takes a look at the partnumbers on the chips, we won't be certain what's inside. IMHO, the info put on the page should reflect the information currently released. And that means it's a PowerPC codenamed Broadway produced on 90nm SOI CMOS. Everything else is pure speculation. ( Mausy5043 20:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC))
Is USA today combined with the IGN article enough to put the hardware details in? ( Catprog 05:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC))
The article states "24 MB "internal" 1T-SRAM integrated into graphics die" but http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20061127/124495/?SS=imgview_e&FD=-623367583 possibly shows two separate dies... Note can't actually tell what the two dies contain from the photo. This memory is probably on the graphics chip? but not necessarily on the same die. Can anyone check this.. Thanks. 87.102.4.180 16:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Hollywood doesn't have Vertex Shaders? The article linked as a source for this reference offers no data to support this, and does not make this claim. It actually stands to reason that the Wii's graphics chip would be smaller than the Gamecubes because the Wii's chip is made on a smaller process (90nm instead of 180nm). As the Wii seems to be perfectly capable of the same kind of effects that the gamecube is I'd mark this claim as highly questionable, especially based on the poor evidence provided and would suggest that it be removed quickly. 64.6.0.233 06:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wii&diff=94593118&oldid=94593045
Mummy, I need a Wii.
The statement said that the Gamecube lacked it as well, rather than the Gamecube supporting it. As far as I know it is true that the Gamecube lacks pixel and vertex shader support. As for the Wii, I'll research this. Dionyseus 21:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
This article here from Kotaku claims that the "Hollywood" costs about $30. Dionyseus 22:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I've heard that NES, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and GameCube games work on the Wii system. Is that true? If it is, I think it should be mentioned in the article. Voortle 03:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Considering I actually own the console in question, I will settle this one: Yes, gamecube games are fully compatible with the Wii, and there is a a set of four ports on the top under a flap that allows for plugging in the Gamecube controller (Wii looks a little weird when you have Wavebird controller adpaters sticking out the top!). NES, SNES, N64 (and a couple others i think) are available for download from the online shop for the virtual console. It's 800 Wii points for a Mega drive game like Sonic, and about 1000 (£7.99 sterling) for N64, others varying. Zarroc 11:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I am surprised to see Brazil's price, which is far higher than the rest, and I am wondering if this is the official price from nintendo.-- w_tanoto 10:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a bit off topic, but does anyone know why the price difference is so large? It costs upwards of $1,000 in Brazil, for crying out loud. Does anyone know why this is? -- Poromenos 14:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Offtopic too, but in Colombia, though not so high, is the same or higher than an xbox 360 core, so I think is ridiculous to make a cheap console to sell at relatively high prices in poor countries. 200.21.238.118 00:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Basically I think it just depends on what has to be paid to get the consoles into the coutry, then accounting the inflation costs of the ocal country as well. (Yes, I am typing this while watcing my £179.99 Sterling Wii download Sonic and Bomberman, sorry.) Zarroc 11:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
For a while now, we've had the line, "it is the successor to the Nintendo GameCube and competes against Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3."
Now, here's the thing... When they first announced the concept behind the revolution (eventually renamed wii), they made it very clear that they weren't directly competing with Sony and Microsoft. They were aiming for a different market (which actually touches on what Stratadrake was mentioning). To that end, both Microsoft and Sony endorsed the wii, for the sake of turning people away from their actual competition (ie. Microsoft wanted to steer people away from PS3, and Sony wanted to steer people away from the 360).
Certainly, the case could be made that the wii is still competing anyways... but that would really be just a point of view.
More specifically, if Nintendo's plan was to not compete against the PS3 and 360, then you'd have to make a pretty strong argument to definitively state that they are in direct competition anyways. Otherwise, it's POV and unacceptable content.
Opinions? Suggestions? I'll leave it a day or two before I make the change to the article.
Bladestorm
18:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Come to think of it, both Sony and Nintendo also said they weren't targeting the same market when the PSP and DS came out, and indeed, it's usually only hardcore gamers who own BOTH units, while the more technically inclined tended to get just the PSP. The DS, on the other hand, seemed like a simpler system so a wider range of folks picked it up instead. This is kinda like the Wii philosophy right? But I do agree Nintendo really isnt targeting just the gamers or Sony or MS; they're going after EVERYONE while Sony alienates with PS3's confoundingly high price, and Microsoft perpetuates the conventional style of console gaming. Nintenboy01 21:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I think it's been a day now... I'll be making the change to indicate that it's of the same generation as the PS3 and 360, and let people draw their own conclusions as far as competition is concerned. My primary point was that Nintendo originally said that they weren't directly competing, and if you're going to contradict Nintendo in a Nintendo hardware article, then you need to back it up. The assertion that, "it's a simple fact" isn't really sufficient without something to back it up. So, um, yeah. I'll just list the verifiable parts. If it really is obvious that it's in competition, then people should have no problems drawing that conclusion for themselves. :)
Bladestorm
17:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Edit: Well, I've done the best I can. I couldn't find a way to mention the PS3 and 360 right in the article, though of course you can see their names by following the 7th gen link. (For that matter, it isn't necessarily necessary to mention other hardware that isn't directly related to the topic) Anyways, if you can think of a better way to phrase it, without making direct claims of competition, feel free.
Bladestorm
18:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, I think you guys are taking Nintendo's statements too seriously. Remember that since the days of the N64 Nintendo has sort of lived in its own little world and tends to ignore what its competition is doing, making some decidedly dumb business decisions like many other comapnies do (IE, using limited cartridges for N64, releasing the awkward Virtual Boy, using their own mini-DVDs for GCN rather than higher capacity discs, etc). In terms of content and style they're in a class all by themselves, but they ARE still in the same overall market as Sony and Microsoft, so in that sense they are still competing for the gamer's dollars. Nintenboy01 21:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Update: I think the current phrasing is a reasonable compromise. An unofficial/unspoken rivalry between the systems is okay to include. Bladestorm 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
If someone makes a really great microwave, and it cooks food extremely efficiently and well, yet they state they aren't competing with other brands of microwaves on the market, however many many people buy this microwave because it does the job well, then its competing with other microwaves, right? Even if one person buys a Wii instead of a PS3 then they are competing. It many people buy Wii's instead of PS3's then they are in direct competition.-- 220.237.10.97 00:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Why don't we mention both? Nintendo is targeting a different market (older people) than the other consoles, but as a seventh generation gaming console it competes with Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 at some levels. Jecowa 19:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
i found this in the reggie-fils anne page: "One of our competitors is a manufacturer in Japan who wants to capture every one of your entertainment dollars transporting all your content between all of your electronic devices on their memory sticks. We are not that company. And there is another company out there who doesn't care what you do, as long as you do it on their operating system. We are not that company either." - Regarding Nintendo's competitors (Sony and Microsoft, respectively). this is a quote from the man himself. im still undecided either way though Pandapatrol 16:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo has created a false shortage in the United States with the Wii. Unlike the PS3, which involves a new technology, there are no parts or chips in the Wii that are in short supply; thus there is no reason to make it unavailable to people during the holiday season. Based on sales of Game Cube and DS, Nintendo had to have had an idea of what to produce and put into the market place, and would surely want the fourth quarter sales. It will be unfortunate if children bear the brunt of this cold marketing ploy. Shore828 - can't find a tilde on my keyboard.
Wal-mart might have something do do with the "shortage". They only get 3 wiis per store. (at least where I live) Cfive 23:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Recently found out that the Wii was the fastest selling platform in Europe, o heres a Brits POV on things. Personally, If you don;t have the sense to make sure that you have apreorder, or are going to go somewhere that will possibly be importing three thousand (thats the current chance of picking one up here BTW, 3,000:1, until more come in next Wii-k, get it?) then you really are't gonna get one by xmas. the problem is that if the stores are flooded, then the whole point of capitalism drops off the table, cos there are so many. It's bit of a delicate balance, and definitely NOT a false shortage Zarroc 11:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd resume the discussion down here, because it was getting a bit high up in an already full page. (Incidentally, if anyone knows how to archie this talk page, it'd be much appreciated)
I think it's important to distinguish between a "common name", and a "nickname".
Wiimote is a nickname. (To be fair about my own personal bias, "wiimote" is what I personally choose to call it)
Wii Remote is the official name. Many people (myself included) like to refer to it as a 'wiimote', but very few think that 'wiimote' is the "real" name of the device. That's why it isn't used as the "common name". "Wiimote" is just a fun thing to call it. Nobody would ever seriously suggest referring to GW Bush as "Miserable Failure", even though I'm getting 351,000 hits for miserable failure, specifically within the context of bush. You'll notice that the PS3 article is listed as "PlayStation 3", even though "ps3" gets nearly three times as many hits as "playstation 3". That's because, while although more people tend to use the nickname of PS3, people still mostly recognize "playstation 3" as being the 'real' name of it. The only difference here being that PS3 is still very much acknowledged (and probably trademarked) by Sony, whileas Nintendo seems to be avoiding "wiimote" in general.
Or, if that's too long to read, a nickname isn't the same as a "common name". And I think most people know that it's "really" known as the "wii remote". That said, I would still absolutely oppose any suggestion in articles that "wiimote" is in any way "incorrect". It can be affectionately referred to as the "wiimote", colloqu... uh, I can't spell it, but you know what I mean... It can even be "unofficially referred to as the 'wiimote'", but not "incorrectly". :)
Bladestorm
18:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
"PS3" is an acronyms and guidelines recommend against using acronyms as article titles. "Miserable Failure" as a title for the George W. Bush article is against the guidelines of neutral point of view. "George W. Bush" is used 17.6 times more on the internet than "Miserable Failure". "Wiimote" is used time more on the internet than "Wii Remote". Additionally, it's unlikely for someone to believe that an acronym, such as "PS3," or a possibly libelous name, such as "Miserable Failure," would be the official or legal name for a subject. "Wiimote," on the otherhand, sounds like it could be the official name for the subject. Portmanteaus are very commonly used in product names, and I believe Japan is especially fond of them. Aquafresh, HeartStart, PlayStation, Famicom, VideoBus, OpenOffice, Adidas, Winterfresh, and Timeblaster are all examples of this. Why do you not want this mentioned? Are there any policies against it? Mentioning "Wiimote" will clear up some people's misconceptions about the name of the controller. As J.L.Main mentioned, some people think the Wii Remote and Wiimote are two different controllers. By saying, "The Wii Remote, unofficially known as the 'Wiimote,'" we would be clearly defining that they are the same as well as alluding that "Wii Remote" is the official name. It would be nice to mention this here at least while the Wii is new and until more people are aware of the official name. "Wiimote" isn't going to be the most common term forever. When it becomes much less common than "Wii Remote," it won't be necessary to mention it here, as people will accept that "Wii Remote" is the real name when they readd it here. Jecowa 03:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Please tell me what official wikipedia guideline or policy "WP:LAME" is, because, obviously, if that were an insult, then that wouldn't go over well as a response to editors acting in good faith.
Anyways, saying that it should be "optimized for readers over editors" still doesn't explain any reason to include it. Saying that it's short isn't any reason to include it. Nicknames of peripherals don't seem necessary or appropriate in an article on the main system. That's my argument. What's your direct reasoning for including it? Without insults, please?
Bladestorm
04:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I could ask what solid arguments there are for not including it? Anyway, remember WP:LAME is not a policy itself but just a documentation on the silliest things that Wiki editors have argued over. And really, this whole edit/revert war over whether or not to mention the Remote's common nickname (a mere four words) fits the common theme exemplified by WP:LAME, i.e. protracted edit and/or revert conflicts over something extremely minor. -- Stratadrake 13:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to state, again, why "As J.L.Main mentioned, some people think the Wii Remote and Wiimote are two different controllers." is not a reason to include it. If you type Wiimote into the search bar, presumably because you want to know about it versus the Wii remote, you will be redirected to Wii Remote, where it clearly states: "The Wii Remote, also nicknamed 'Wiimote.'" I also think having a mention of Wiimote on the Wii page is getting crufty. Again, as mentioned above, Nintendo's official term for the controller is Wii remote, not Wiimote. Now, what reasons to include it are not covered by that paragraph?-- Farquaadhnchmn( Dungeon) 20:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, NOA President Reggie Fils-Aime calls it the wiimote in this video interviewIt's at about 2:58 left. NickCharbuski 22:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Oops! I didn't notice that the discussion continued in another section. Please look at the bottom of the above section if you're interested in My input on the topic. Agaib 05:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Everybody: Please keep in mind that already Wii-centric sources are probably just going to call it 'the Remote' or something similar. Just because there's more usage of "wiimote" than "wii remote" Entirely, doesn't mean that people referring to it as a 'remote' in general should be discounted (these people can just as easily type "wiimote", remember). It's what it is, it's a Remote. For the Wii. Wii Remote. There are 13,700,000 hits for wii AND remote, so I dunno if that means anything. Webrunner 17:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please can I add an external link? http://www.ntsc-uk.com/feature.php?featuretype=hdw&fea=NintendoWiiHardwareReview —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charlesr ( talk • contribs) 10:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
Oooops. I tried adding the link myself, but it got removed. I just read the external links thing again and noticed I'm not allowed to add it myself, especially since I'm the Editor of said site, so apologies! I'll let someone else add it if they want. If you need any more persuasion, ntsc-uk is a non-profit site, with writers that write for free (we get a few games a month from our affiliates in return for a single unobtrusive advert on each page, but no cash profit is generated, so we aren't bothered about generating traffic). Our similar overview of the Panasonic Q has been linked on the wiki's Q page by someone. -- Charlesr 16:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I got rid of the Current Event tag. It's been a couple weeks since the launch, so I think it's appropriate. The PS3 article already had it removed.-- Farquaadhnchmn( Dungeon) 20:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hehe! Ok, I wont antagonize anyone anymore about whether or not the Wii is in direct competition with its fellow 7th gen consoles (It actually seems to be in competition with the DS more) but should Iwata's friendly jab at Sony be mentioned in our article? I quote, "We aren't planning on competing with the PS3, but we'd like it to be said that in the end, Nintendo sold more." Check it out on IGN if you haven't seen it yet. Nintenboy01 21:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The launch games table used to be clear and really easy to read but this new one is so confusing it defeats the purpose of having one. Jimmy93211 00:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Apparently Nintendo exaggerated the amount of units it had sold. According to NPD, Nintendo sold 473,000 Wii units in North America during the month of November, [10] this contradicts Nintendo's claim on November 27 that it had sold 600,000 units in North America. [11] Dionyseus 01:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
How about a section about the wrist strap breaking when the remote (may be) used excessively. Apparently screens are breaking from flying remotes. A critisism if anything. Gaz 01:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Should be noted that on wiihaveaproblem.com, there are only about 15 reports of this happening. its overhyped.
I have a third party strap whch is actually thinner than the standard,and I haven;t had any problem with it. You only have a problem if you physically let go of the Wiimote/Wii-mote/Wii remote (to appease those who think it matters what it is called), and send it through the window while playing baseball or tennis. Seriously, the games are designed so you DON'T have to use that much power, I've sent a 914 ft bat on Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz without sending the controller through my window. if you're using it that hard, you should really take a good look at how you are playing, and read the manual a little more. Zarroc 11:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Well evidently Nintendo thought there were enough accidents to recall all the straps http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236687,00.html-- Dm-schmieder 16:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry link got messed up there http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236687,00.html Dm-schmieder 16:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the recall and the reason for it should be mentioned in the article. I do not see it as of this writing. Monkeybreath 09:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
While it has an article, there should be a short blurb on this one and a "See Wii remote" link put in, since it's very related and most people are going to look on this article for this information first.
On a related note, the section should document what happened, rather than what didn't happen. Just64helpin 17:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps someone could add that the Wiimote strap has been recalled, I don't think I can because of it's protected status-- Cadet hastings 15:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Quatreryukami 16:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Find every occurrence of the word "will" and replace it with "is" or "are" or whatever makes sense. Wii's been out, we're in the present tense...or, we will be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.117.19.131 ( talk) 05:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
If this indeed pans out as a fork in the history of gaming, I think some serious mention of the conceptualizing of the Wii should be made. I seem to remember Myiamoto speaking in an interview around 1999 or so about his ideal system being one simpe enough to be played with one button. That stuck out to me at the time as bizarre, but it seems the vision was clear even then. I don;t have the time or resources to check this out but it might be a fascinating addition to the article. - Plasticbadge 18:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we need to have the same thing mentioned twice in the same paragraph? I thought that mentioning it once was enough so I deleted the second one. This, Nintendo has released an Ethernet Kit for the Wii console, which allows users to connect the console to a standard internet router without wireless support., is what I deleted. If this needs to be changed the whole paragraph needs to be reworded. Thanks,--Darkest Hour $ $ $ $ 19:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
IGN-- User:NFAN3|NFAN3 21:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm hearing the case was dropped but the sources are... well unclear. Anyone know anything?
I just recently got a new remote and strap from Nintendo after replacing my old broken one, and I noticed the new strap is thicker than the ones that were available during launch. I've taken a comparison picture: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Adeon/wiistrap.jpg Bradibus 21:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
This may be the reason. - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)