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Accurate weights of pet umbrella cockatoo birds are needed - must know if they are male of female and their age.
I could get some close up pictures of an umbrella cockatoo. How, do I send them?
Is there any evidence about how long umbrella cockatoos can live?
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my 6 year old umbrella talks excessively.I've only had him under 2 months, but he talks like a human, some things he says I have to get him to repeat himself quite a few times. I read everything I can on his breed, it says a max of 100 words, he speaks over 200 words and he isn't stopping anytime soon, could it be that I let him walk throughout the house,doesn't sleep in his cage all the time(he likes to sleep with me,goes outside in yard and rides in vehicle sits at table with me and friends. When I got him he was in a cage for 4 years, now he laughs alot has stopped biting me and we're working on tricks without books to help me. Is he too spoiled? He's so happy and fun loving but not a morning person. Things I've read says what I'm doing isn't right, if this is true "what is the right thing?" His name is Evan and he calls me momma. It took me over a month for the two of us to trust each other wholeheartedly but we've bonded and I'm loving every moment of it,oh he also loves riding in the golf cart, singing,dancing, showing off, I find this is by far the best new family member I have ever had. He also barks like a big and small dog crows like a rooster and calls everyone by name, even tells me when he wants to be loved on. People say it isn't normal but what is normal?
sincerly, Yvette Hebert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.214.110.127 ( talk) 00:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
This isn't a forum, thanks. 12.107.188.5 ( talk) 17:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I've removed UN-verifiable and opinion-based comments from this article. It seems the organization "ProFauna" (is a animal protection charity in Indonesia) has been editing this article with extremely biased information regarding supposed "illegal pet trade". Not one "fact" is verifiable and there are no footnotes or citations to prove otherwise. Personal observations are not allowed on WikiPedia unless one is highly qualified and well-known and/or published with said observations. ProFauna should know that I will continue to monitor this and other Wiki articles and edit them appropriately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 22:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I wonder if you could edit your additions to point out the age of the reference? Unfortunately I don't have the time nor the Wiki "formatting" ability to properly add any references to the reduction of wild capture. Logic, however, says that there's no NEED for it anymore. There's 1000's of parrot breeders all over the world, and the prices are reasonable enough that it's MORE EXPENSIVE to illegally import these birds. Further, most countries have made it illegal to IMPORT, which has significantly reduced the demand of wild-caught birds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 16:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks so much Kurt... and unfortunately as mentioned there's not really any articles out there saying "oh look we don't do this anymore"... at least none that would meet the Standards. Think of it this way - the animal rights activists (at least the ones that have the agenda to stop all of the "pet trade" completely) are much better at inserting their "facts" into the mainstream media, etc. Frankly, there's simply no organizations out there that exist to promote the fact that illegal trapping has been reduced- there's no money or fame in promoting that, unlike the "activist" side of the argument.... I appreciate that you'll add the newer info that you found. And I totally agree that the article shouldn't be swayed the other way... I would just like to see a fair representation.
This is what I know, but I can't "prove" it to Wiki's standards-- but this is generally accepted in other forums---- it's not the laws of Indonesia (or any other country that has parrots as an indigenous species) that is causing illegal trapping to stop - it's the reduction in DEMAND for said birds - first of all, today we can get almost every species of parrot from reputable breeders, legally, and at a fraction of the cost of what it would take to get a bird imported. Secondly, the laws of the 'receiving' countries are very strict, so there's been a huge reduction of places for the illegally trapped birds to go.
I truly wish I had the ability to find verifiable articles that are more up-to-date... and I do wonder whether 20 year old data is still "verifiable" or if so, if it's "reliable" enough to leave in the article? In other words, does the data stand on its own as reliable info, being that it's 20 years old? Logic says no... I don't feel comfortable removing the info you put in there, but I do feel that it's 20 years old and even without "verifiable" counter-information, logic says it's out-dated and that gives some reason to remove it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 19:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Very interesting... it supports my thought that "exporting" is greatly reduced or non-existant. Specific to THIS article, there were 104 White Cockatoos over a 5-year period. I had a hard time understanding the "quota" portion, but it seems like 21 White Cockatoos per year would be under any reasonable quota... and frankly it is newer information AND seems to be from a slightly less-biased source than BirdLife International. May I suggest removing the "18 times" reference and replacing it with actual figures of 104 in 5 years? Also, the "18 times" is misleading without knowing the actual quota numbers. Thank you so much for the help in this- I simply am not knowledable enough to correctly format and cite these facts and since this is the only article that truly interests me enough to want to have input, it seems futile to learn all the "rules" for 1 or 2 simple edits. Your work is appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 23:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
My "goal" here is simply to make sure there is UP TO DATE and RELIABLE sources. Nobody can disagree that the statements made by ProFauna (which I removed) were extremely biased - and I'd venture to say that indicates their biased stance and therefore should exclude them from being cited in the future. Further research into BirdLife shows me they are, in fact, reliable.. HOWEVER, the data is still very outdated. The fact is, there's no easy-to-find up-to-date info available, but data nearly 20 years old has outlived its usefulness- even though that may be "all we have", it's still horribly out of date and should not be included here. The onus should not be on me, nor anyone else, to find "better" info, when the existing info is so out-of-date that its no longer reliable. In other words, the old info shouldn't be there, and it shouldn't matter whether we have "better" info to replace it with- the existence or lack of "better" info has nothing to do with it as the out-of-date info doesn't stand on its own.
Nobody is claiming the illegal bird trade no longer exists, however publicizing data that's nearly 20 years old is mis-informing the readers. Further, the previous non-qualified statements of illegal trapping would make the reader believe MOST (or many) White Cockatoos are "illegal". That would include birds in N. America, Europe, and other parts of the world... which is far from the case. The recent clarification of the offending countries is appreciated and should be more clear to the reader that the illegal trade is mainly local to the Philippines and the other locations now mentioned in the article.
I wear my heart on my sleeve - so in the interest of full disclosure, I own several parrots, including a White Cockatoo. I most certainly care about their conservation and the perpetuation of the species -and I have long championed EDUCATED efforts to eradicate it. However, there is a lot of misinformation out there and the way this article read previously was simply too "broad". As a responsible Cockatoo owner, who obtained my bird from legal sources, I'm tired of being challenged by people who have been mis-informed about the "illegality" of them- information that has been perpetuated (and has been referenced to me) on Wikipedia (and other places). Like it or not, people believe Wiki is the end-all of information, so when someone says, "oh you can't have that parrot, it was probably illegally trapped, I read it on Wikipedia" then it's clear that people have been misunderstanding the info provided here.
I'm fairly happy with the current state of the article in this section. I thank the contribs who have been involved! 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 22:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)jeremyg
Why is this article getting constant revisions that remove any critical parts that have to do with illegal pet trade and issues with cockatoo aviculture? It's fairly well documented. Meanwhile, it has a large unsourced section about aviculture which isn't remotely encyclopedic. 77.163.99.113 ( talk) 03:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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Accurate weights of pet umbrella cockatoo birds are needed - must know if they are male of female and their age.
I could get some close up pictures of an umbrella cockatoo. How, do I send them?
Is there any evidence about how long umbrella cockatoos can live?
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Aviculture. The purpose of this project is to help increase the amount and quality of content related to aviculture on wikipedia, and to maintain and organise articles relating to the subject, eventually bringing as many as possible up to good- or featured-article status. Snowman 16:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 20:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
my 6 year old umbrella talks excessively.I've only had him under 2 months, but he talks like a human, some things he says I have to get him to repeat himself quite a few times. I read everything I can on his breed, it says a max of 100 words, he speaks over 200 words and he isn't stopping anytime soon, could it be that I let him walk throughout the house,doesn't sleep in his cage all the time(he likes to sleep with me,goes outside in yard and rides in vehicle sits at table with me and friends. When I got him he was in a cage for 4 years, now he laughs alot has stopped biting me and we're working on tricks without books to help me. Is he too spoiled? He's so happy and fun loving but not a morning person. Things I've read says what I'm doing isn't right, if this is true "what is the right thing?" His name is Evan and he calls me momma. It took me over a month for the two of us to trust each other wholeheartedly but we've bonded and I'm loving every moment of it,oh he also loves riding in the golf cart, singing,dancing, showing off, I find this is by far the best new family member I have ever had. He also barks like a big and small dog crows like a rooster and calls everyone by name, even tells me when he wants to be loved on. People say it isn't normal but what is normal?
sincerly, Yvette Hebert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.214.110.127 ( talk) 00:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
This isn't a forum, thanks. 12.107.188.5 ( talk) 17:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I've removed UN-verifiable and opinion-based comments from this article. It seems the organization "ProFauna" (is a animal protection charity in Indonesia) has been editing this article with extremely biased information regarding supposed "illegal pet trade". Not one "fact" is verifiable and there are no footnotes or citations to prove otherwise. Personal observations are not allowed on WikiPedia unless one is highly qualified and well-known and/or published with said observations. ProFauna should know that I will continue to monitor this and other Wiki articles and edit them appropriately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 22:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I wonder if you could edit your additions to point out the age of the reference? Unfortunately I don't have the time nor the Wiki "formatting" ability to properly add any references to the reduction of wild capture. Logic, however, says that there's no NEED for it anymore. There's 1000's of parrot breeders all over the world, and the prices are reasonable enough that it's MORE EXPENSIVE to illegally import these birds. Further, most countries have made it illegal to IMPORT, which has significantly reduced the demand of wild-caught birds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 16:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks so much Kurt... and unfortunately as mentioned there's not really any articles out there saying "oh look we don't do this anymore"... at least none that would meet the Standards. Think of it this way - the animal rights activists (at least the ones that have the agenda to stop all of the "pet trade" completely) are much better at inserting their "facts" into the mainstream media, etc. Frankly, there's simply no organizations out there that exist to promote the fact that illegal trapping has been reduced- there's no money or fame in promoting that, unlike the "activist" side of the argument.... I appreciate that you'll add the newer info that you found. And I totally agree that the article shouldn't be swayed the other way... I would just like to see a fair representation.
This is what I know, but I can't "prove" it to Wiki's standards-- but this is generally accepted in other forums---- it's not the laws of Indonesia (or any other country that has parrots as an indigenous species) that is causing illegal trapping to stop - it's the reduction in DEMAND for said birds - first of all, today we can get almost every species of parrot from reputable breeders, legally, and at a fraction of the cost of what it would take to get a bird imported. Secondly, the laws of the 'receiving' countries are very strict, so there's been a huge reduction of places for the illegally trapped birds to go.
I truly wish I had the ability to find verifiable articles that are more up-to-date... and I do wonder whether 20 year old data is still "verifiable" or if so, if it's "reliable" enough to leave in the article? In other words, does the data stand on its own as reliable info, being that it's 20 years old? Logic says no... I don't feel comfortable removing the info you put in there, but I do feel that it's 20 years old and even without "verifiable" counter-information, logic says it's out-dated and that gives some reason to remove it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 19:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Very interesting... it supports my thought that "exporting" is greatly reduced or non-existant. Specific to THIS article, there were 104 White Cockatoos over a 5-year period. I had a hard time understanding the "quota" portion, but it seems like 21 White Cockatoos per year would be under any reasonable quota... and frankly it is newer information AND seems to be from a slightly less-biased source than BirdLife International. May I suggest removing the "18 times" reference and replacing it with actual figures of 104 in 5 years? Also, the "18 times" is misleading without knowing the actual quota numbers. Thank you so much for the help in this- I simply am not knowledable enough to correctly format and cite these facts and since this is the only article that truly interests me enough to want to have input, it seems futile to learn all the "rules" for 1 or 2 simple edits. Your work is appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 23:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
My "goal" here is simply to make sure there is UP TO DATE and RELIABLE sources. Nobody can disagree that the statements made by ProFauna (which I removed) were extremely biased - and I'd venture to say that indicates their biased stance and therefore should exclude them from being cited in the future. Further research into BirdLife shows me they are, in fact, reliable.. HOWEVER, the data is still very outdated. The fact is, there's no easy-to-find up-to-date info available, but data nearly 20 years old has outlived its usefulness- even though that may be "all we have", it's still horribly out of date and should not be included here. The onus should not be on me, nor anyone else, to find "better" info, when the existing info is so out-of-date that its no longer reliable. In other words, the old info shouldn't be there, and it shouldn't matter whether we have "better" info to replace it with- the existence or lack of "better" info has nothing to do with it as the out-of-date info doesn't stand on its own.
Nobody is claiming the illegal bird trade no longer exists, however publicizing data that's nearly 20 years old is mis-informing the readers. Further, the previous non-qualified statements of illegal trapping would make the reader believe MOST (or many) White Cockatoos are "illegal". That would include birds in N. America, Europe, and other parts of the world... which is far from the case. The recent clarification of the offending countries is appreciated and should be more clear to the reader that the illegal trade is mainly local to the Philippines and the other locations now mentioned in the article.
I wear my heart on my sleeve - so in the interest of full disclosure, I own several parrots, including a White Cockatoo. I most certainly care about their conservation and the perpetuation of the species -and I have long championed EDUCATED efforts to eradicate it. However, there is a lot of misinformation out there and the way this article read previously was simply too "broad". As a responsible Cockatoo owner, who obtained my bird from legal sources, I'm tired of being challenged by people who have been mis-informed about the "illegality" of them- information that has been perpetuated (and has been referenced to me) on Wikipedia (and other places). Like it or not, people believe Wiki is the end-all of information, so when someone says, "oh you can't have that parrot, it was probably illegally trapped, I read it on Wikipedia" then it's clear that people have been misunderstanding the info provided here.
I'm fairly happy with the current state of the article in this section. I thank the contribs who have been involved! 184.6.134.93 ( talk) 22:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)jeremyg
Why is this article getting constant revisions that remove any critical parts that have to do with illegal pet trade and issues with cockatoo aviculture? It's fairly well documented. Meanwhile, it has a large unsourced section about aviculture which isn't remotely encyclopedic. 77.163.99.113 ( talk) 03:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)