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Although there is a merit to criticizing the limited extent of the democratic reforms during the white revolution, the statement that the revolution's program totally lacked such is wrong. As far as I know, it was during this period that women in Iran were given the rights to vote and to run for office in elections. This was one of the major reasons for the conservative clergy to criticize the white revolution. Shervink 11:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)shervink
So the only reason we had white revolution was because of John F. Kennedy? Not very NPOV -- Rayis 20:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the POV is poor in this article, very pro-Shah when he also was cracking down on protest and harming the people's interests.
128.122.89.114
05:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
"Extending the Right to Vote to Women, who had no voice and were suppressed by Islamic traditions" is rather biased, even though I would agree with it. However many would argue that given the fact that women in non-islamic communities did not enjoy suffrage for almost as long, it cannot be concluded that it was Islamic traditions which held back universal suffrage. I've reworded it.
Some other conclusions RE the dams and the various other statistics need verification and referencing as well.
Perpetualfail ( talk) 16:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Be careful there, just because my bicycle has a particular brand of tires doesn't mean every bicycle has to have that brand. Keep in mind the important questions, who, what, when, etc. This is referring to Iran, not Israel or the USA. If it were Israel, then Judaism would have held women back, or Christianity in its various guises in the USA. The entire world doesn't have to be Islamic for Islam to hold people back in Iran. Or to put it another way: Regardless of what caused discrimination in non-Islamic nations, either Islamic traditions were and still are holding women back in Iran or women in Iran are segregated based on secular rulings and the Supreme Leader isn't a true follower of Islam. Chrissd21 ( talk) 16:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
"It was true that Iran had made progress with various social programs from the White Revolution, but it was equally true that Iran still had one of the worst infant mortality rates, and doctor-patient rates in the Middle East. It also had one of the lowest percentages of people who were receiving a higher education. For example, 68 percent of the adult population still remained illiterate, and 60 percent of children did not complete primary school. This resentment and anger towards the Shah’s failed reforms seems to unite the people against the Shah, and certainly did not increase any class loyalty towards the Shah, as he had intended. There is however no evidence of these numbers."
If there is no evidence of the numbers, then the paragraph should be removed entirely. If that sentence applies to the rest of the article, then it should be hidden entirely until such time as references, such as they are, are placed on the page. If it's a known fact that there are no good references from the time which would be understandable given the violence and antipathy towards the Shah's reign that happened during the Iranian Revolution, then all non-cited statistics and postulations should be stripped from the article. If that results in a stub, then so be it. I would do it myself but I have no knowledge of the subject matter and no idea what is considered a good reference for WIkipedia these days. I saw a Cleo magazine given as a cite on another article, so my idea of "valid and trusted reference" seems to be remarkably different to the populist view. Chrissd21 ( talk) 17:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a section at the bottom listing some fifteen specific citations entitled "Citations", but there seem to be no references in the text to them. They appear to have been inartfully added in Nwaknine's edit of 16 December 2009, with the numbers in the text that referred to them being deleted since, mostly it seems as so-called typo fixing not noticing the non-standard attempt at footnotes. What is interesting is that many of these empty places where footnote numbers used to be are now marked with citation needed. I fixed the first five of these and will try to get back and fix the rest. -- Bejnar ( talk) 20:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
i have added an NPOV Template on the page. see other sections for more info. Bruh Moment Master ( talk) 03:35, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 03:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
White Revolution → White Revolution (Iran) – WP:NOTPRIMARY Capankajsmilyo( Talk | Infobox assistance) 02:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add a section about what and who has caused this reform or revolution? At Last ... ( talk) 05:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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Although there is a merit to criticizing the limited extent of the democratic reforms during the white revolution, the statement that the revolution's program totally lacked such is wrong. As far as I know, it was during this period that women in Iran were given the rights to vote and to run for office in elections. This was one of the major reasons for the conservative clergy to criticize the white revolution. Shervink 11:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)shervink
So the only reason we had white revolution was because of John F. Kennedy? Not very NPOV -- Rayis 20:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the POV is poor in this article, very pro-Shah when he also was cracking down on protest and harming the people's interests.
128.122.89.114
05:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
"Extending the Right to Vote to Women, who had no voice and were suppressed by Islamic traditions" is rather biased, even though I would agree with it. However many would argue that given the fact that women in non-islamic communities did not enjoy suffrage for almost as long, it cannot be concluded that it was Islamic traditions which held back universal suffrage. I've reworded it.
Some other conclusions RE the dams and the various other statistics need verification and referencing as well.
Perpetualfail ( talk) 16:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Be careful there, just because my bicycle has a particular brand of tires doesn't mean every bicycle has to have that brand. Keep in mind the important questions, who, what, when, etc. This is referring to Iran, not Israel or the USA. If it were Israel, then Judaism would have held women back, or Christianity in its various guises in the USA. The entire world doesn't have to be Islamic for Islam to hold people back in Iran. Or to put it another way: Regardless of what caused discrimination in non-Islamic nations, either Islamic traditions were and still are holding women back in Iran or women in Iran are segregated based on secular rulings and the Supreme Leader isn't a true follower of Islam. Chrissd21 ( talk) 16:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
"It was true that Iran had made progress with various social programs from the White Revolution, but it was equally true that Iran still had one of the worst infant mortality rates, and doctor-patient rates in the Middle East. It also had one of the lowest percentages of people who were receiving a higher education. For example, 68 percent of the adult population still remained illiterate, and 60 percent of children did not complete primary school. This resentment and anger towards the Shah’s failed reforms seems to unite the people against the Shah, and certainly did not increase any class loyalty towards the Shah, as he had intended. There is however no evidence of these numbers."
If there is no evidence of the numbers, then the paragraph should be removed entirely. If that sentence applies to the rest of the article, then it should be hidden entirely until such time as references, such as they are, are placed on the page. If it's a known fact that there are no good references from the time which would be understandable given the violence and antipathy towards the Shah's reign that happened during the Iranian Revolution, then all non-cited statistics and postulations should be stripped from the article. If that results in a stub, then so be it. I would do it myself but I have no knowledge of the subject matter and no idea what is considered a good reference for WIkipedia these days. I saw a Cleo magazine given as a cite on another article, so my idea of "valid and trusted reference" seems to be remarkably different to the populist view. Chrissd21 ( talk) 17:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a section at the bottom listing some fifteen specific citations entitled "Citations", but there seem to be no references in the text to them. They appear to have been inartfully added in Nwaknine's edit of 16 December 2009, with the numbers in the text that referred to them being deleted since, mostly it seems as so-called typo fixing not noticing the non-standard attempt at footnotes. What is interesting is that many of these empty places where footnote numbers used to be are now marked with citation needed. I fixed the first five of these and will try to get back and fix the rest. -- Bejnar ( talk) 20:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
i have added an NPOV Template on the page. see other sections for more info. Bruh Moment Master ( talk) 03:35, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 03:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
White Revolution → White Revolution (Iran) – WP:NOTPRIMARY Capankajsmilyo( Talk | Infobox assistance) 02:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add a section about what and who has caused this reform or revolution? At Last ... ( talk) 05:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)