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Jewish people are also defined to be White British by the United Kingdom Census.
Does this mean Oona King qualifies as white?! Timrollpickering 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
White refers to what people identify themselves. Dark skinned Southern Euriopeans are classed as white and so are Turks. A fair looking high cast Indian could choose to tick that he/she is white if they wanted, boosting the white population even higher! 92% white? more likely in its mid 80s.
Is Wilde the best choice for a picture? Under modern rules, given his political views, he might well be classified as 'White Irish' (people in NI who identify as Irish are). 134.226.1.62 11:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Margaret Thatcher Picture? -- Collingwood50 ( talk) 19:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
In the 2001 census the category 'White British' is a sub-category of the group 'White'. The others being 'White Irish' and 'Other White'. The information given relates to the whole group i.e. 'White' as opposed to 'White British'. For example 92.1% of the population is 'White British' + 'White Irish' + 'Other White' = 92.1% if you see what I mean. Therefore this article doesn't actually descibe the group 'White British' at all. I appreciate that this is entirely down to the ONS refusing to break down the figures for the 'White' group, even though they routinely do this for other groups.
Romper 01:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)romper Romper 01:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The numbers shown are incorrect - 92% is the entire white population (White British, White Irish and White Other). See here [1], for a closer representation. -- sony-youth 15:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
For the life of me I don't understand why this article was created. I can think of no real reason for it to exist. All it does is give a few unimportant details from the 2001 census, that are available online from the ONS anyway. The term "White British" is only applicable to the census anyway, no one refers to themselves as "White British", and certainly no one ever considers their ethnic group "White British". We're all either English people, Welsh people, Scottish people, Irish people or just plain British. Most of the information from the census is wrong. For example it claimed that the average "White British" household had 2.4 children, when the citation clearly stated that the average "White British" household was 2.4 people. It's a very badly written article, why does nearly every sentense start with "White British"? I'm thinking of AfDing this article, it has no merit, "White British" could just as well be redirected to Briton. Alun 21:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Wobbs, I agree with you man, and I dont know who is creating all these Asian, White/European, and Black/African "ethnic group" articles which is borderline stupidity if you ask me. I mean articles on the individual races is one thing, but its not like these groups are some fully cohesive group in each of these countries. However, not every British Isles person that is White is English, Irish, Welsh, Cornish or Scottish, and theres numerous White immigrant or immigrant-descended groups like Arabs, Berbers, Jews, Italians, Germans, Dutch, Norwegians, Spanish, etc. 69.157.107.88 21:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree there is no point in this article it nothing more than details from the census White British is not an ethnic group. -- Barry talk 11:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
An infobox for ethnic groups was removed recently on the grounds that "White British" were not an ethnic group. Considering this tag is applied fairly liberally to other groups, exactly what denies it this status?-- Breadandcheese 01:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
If there is an infobox for Black British and Asian British, why not one for White British? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.235.218 ( talk) 13:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Really ought to be removed, since White Britons are not indigenous to the British Isles. Even if you go back as far the Celts, you'll find that they were migrants who traveled west from Celtic centres on the Rhine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.86.230 ( talk) 15:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
That could be said about all "indigenous" groups around the world, yet they would be offended by you saying that they are not really the "indigenous" people of the land, if you said that. Dlpkbr ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I think the use of the word indigenous should actually be encouraged in all areas. "White Britons travelled west" - everyone came from somewhere else. We - native Britons, those who are British by ethnicity - are the indigenous people and we are the majority and as far as 50 years ago, 99% of the population of Great Britain was indigenous and we are one of the most homogenous indigenous populations around today. Look at the last major wave of non-British white migration to Britain with the Normans - this was the time that indigenous Polynesians were still finishing their colonisation of the Pacific. Does this make them less indigenous? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.212.150.190 ( talk) 10:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there such as thing as "indigenous British"? If so, perhaps there should be an article on Wikipedia with that name, that details what it is. -- Rebroad ( talk) 20:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this now for a while and perhaps it's too soon to make a reasoned comment, but I shall. I believe that the term indigenous is an accurate and appropriate term for the "white British" group. The points against, I feel, are easily outdone. - Indigenous has been hijacked by the BNP - Well, the BNP or anyone can and should be allowed to say anything they like with the confines of the law. Yet just because a group whom many hold with great contempt chooses to use particular language does not invalidate that language. - White British came from elsewhere - every indigenous person not residing in sub-Saharan Africa has ancestry that must obviously come from elsewhere. What is important about indigenous is that the word has come to mean first people - incorrectly a synonym for aboriginal - and that wherever there are people, there are a first people. Some of those first people have arrived in recent times; some have been settled for many thousands of years and had adapted quite well until recent arrivals from elsewhere. White British people are predominately descended from people who arrived before the Romans came to Britain. Waves of cultural exchange have had little impact on the genetic pool of the British. The Welsh, English and Scottish identify themselves as different peoples based on factors that are cultural rather than genetic. In essence, they are one family growing up in separate rooms of the same house. - Claiming indigenous heritage is racist - Not necessarily. Many people who are black or brown skinned will be indigenous to Britain due to heritage that is native to Britain. For example. They may have one parent from Africa yet one from Yorkshire. Or a grandparent from Yorkshire. Or Aberdeen. They are still indigenous. Their heritage may not entirely be from the British Isles but they are still a descendent from its first people. Colour should never be a determinant in indigenous identity. - How do you know that your family have been here that long? - Ask this question to any other indigenous person and you'd be done for indecency. We don't. If someone identifies entirely with Britain, that is enough. If someone can irrefutably dispel links with another land, that is enough. It's enough in the Americas. It is enough in the UK. Remember: one doesn't have to be 100% descended from the first hunter gathering humans to cross the landbridge from France into Britain 15,000 years ago in order to be indigenous to Britain. They have to recognise some, yes, but not all. Were it all, then nobody alive today, except for a few tribes in the Amazon, would be indigenous. The term indigenous is not racist, it is not limiting and it is not offensive. About 85% of the British people are indigenous and this is a decreasing number. Some may think that's a good thing, others a bad thing, but it is a reality. Maybe as the aboriginal Britons become an increasing minority in their own land, the term indigenous or aboriginal will hold more weight. Until then, if we are to judge other indigenous peoples by terms of fairness simply because we do not live there, we must likewise recognise that we can be white, the majority, those in charge and, oh my gosh, the direct descendants of the people who first settled this land after the last ice age, and recognising this harms nobody. Enzedbrit ( talk) 14:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
An infobox is needed here. Lord of Moria Talk Contribs 14:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
"25% of the total UK population or approximately 14 million of the white British claim Irish descent"
Is that 25% "white British" or 25% of "white", "white Scottish", "Other White British" and "white British"? (taken from the earlier paragraph: "In Scotland the classification was broken down into two different categories: 'White Scottish' and 'Other White British'. The classification did not appear in Northern Ireland where the comparable classification is described simply as 'White'.")
If only white British then it should say "25% of the total English and Welsh population ..." -- PBS ( talk) 10:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the citations, I think I have found the source: Ethnicity & Identity. AFAICT the 25% is a misreading. "People from the White British group were more likely to describe their national identity as English (58 per cent) rather than British (36 per cent)." which makes at least 94% do not describe themselves as Irish and that does not include Scottish and Welsh (as shown in the graph). I think the misunderstanding is that about 25% of the "white Irish" consider themselves British not that 25% of the UK population consider themselves claim Irish decent. -- PBS ( talk) 10:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
If there are infoboxes for British Mixed, British Black and British Asian, why not for White British, they are also racial categories for the census, not ethnic groups! It's not fair! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.235.218 ( talk) 13:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
What does 'ethnic' mean? Some British people and English people have roots and cultures from other countries where their parents and grandparents are from, like Pakistani Britons and Indian Britons or Russian Britons. White British means someone with no foreign ancestry or ancestral culture to identify with. Even though the culture of young White British or English people is African American, i.e. rap and hip-hop, they are not descended from them. White British people are not considered an ethnic group in their own right but non-White British people are. English people are not an ethnic group according to Wikipedia, but all British people born in England! A lot of Asian or Black English people do not identify with English culture but with the culture of their parents country. They call themselves English whilst rejecting England's culture for their ancestral one!!! That is why the English cannot be called an ethnic group coz even though most are Whites, it includes everyone born in the country. Even most White English people prefer American or French culture to the English one, as it is seen as old-fashioned and embarrassing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.107.81 ( talk) 22:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Chileans don't stop being Chilean just coz they don't dance the cueca! —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Rushton83 ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
(<-) I've just removed another image. It had people (like Adam Smith) who did not participate in the 2001 census (though did define himself as British (not White British mind)), and also Kelly Holmes, who I imagine it is fair to say did not list herself as White British. If we want an image in this infobox, then we need to work out a way forwards before we impliment it. If a simillar image is restored again without discussion I will use WP:BLP powers and lock out editors/articles to force discussion. -- Jza84 | Talk 15:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I have removed Islam and Judaism as major white British religions as they are both obvacly fule as the larger of the 2 relegon is islam which is 2.7 of the population, with a perstentage that low there is no way that there is a large (significant) number of white British muslims. Beyond the 75% is 17% non religion. Alexsau1991 ( talk) 21:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Whilst i do not object to the title changes tonight, i did find it rather funny. Will we be moving Black British and British Pakistanis to something along the same lines? Why stop there though, how about we move the English people Scottish people and Welsh people to the same sort of thing too? lol.
As someone that would define myself as "White British" should i take offense that only the articles on White Brits or mixed race are being changed to this sort of title? As someone that spends alot of time bashing the disgusting BNP, it pains me to say it but they do sort of have a point on these matters dont they :) What amazing double standards.
And i said to myself, what a wonderful world.... BritishWatcher ( talk) 23:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Please note that the addition of parentheticals is deprecated when the plain title is not in use. Dekimasu よ! 08:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
White British → White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category) — - I previously made this move but have moved the article back because it was more controversial than I anticipated (see above). I'm now suggesting it so that it can be discussed in full. The rationale for the move is that the article is about the use of the term White British as a category in ethnicity statistics, rather than White British people in the more general sense (e.g. White British pupils). Cordless Larry ( talk) 18:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Oops - blinked and missed this. Would have supported a move, obviously. Hey ho. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 08:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Does White British mean or include people descended from recent immigrants from other European countries or does it mean people descended from people living in the UK centuries ago?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.174.18.206 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 8 December 2009
I am curious as to why we do not have a page regarding white Britons and their cultural achievements, whilst we do have one for white Americans. If we do decide to do this, please don't let Noobs take control of the project. -- BoJackson34 ( talk) 02:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, what ratings do you propose? Since White British amount to 85% percent of the UK population, I would have thought they would be given a high rating and I don't see how a Top importance isn't warranted. For ethnic groups, that project's rating system isn't too well organised but many ethnic groups there are given a High rating. Christopher Connor ( talk) 22:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
High importance seems fine, these ethnicity articles are secondary to an article like United Kingdom, Scotland etc. The article itself is still very problematic though. We are treaing white British as a simple term used in a census, whilst other people articles like Black British and British Asian is far more in line with people type articles. Its pretty offensive in my opinion, but i have far bigger concerns than this issue. BritishWatcher ( talk) 22:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Does the term British refer to citizen/passport or ancestry/cultural identity? 86.156.196.244 ( talk) 16:42, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
while there is a term called "white other" this article should be more logical as for example a british pole or a british italian are just as white as all other white people in britain, the defention of white people in britain should include everyone white Lightpositive talk 11:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
This is not true, the 2001 Census distinguished White from White British, look at [ [4]] and this United Kingdom Census 2001#Ethnicity please. Being white living in Britain does not a white British make. El0i ( talk) 13:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
"the 2001 Census" is obviously outdated, please see United Kingdom Census 2011 and [ [5]] the new and current census does no longer mention any difference beetween "White british" and "White people in britain" Lightpositive talk 13:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
The 2001 census is not outdated as it's the latest census from which statistics are available. The 2011 census' results have not been released and it does make a distinction between British White and Other White [ [6]], even though that's irrelevant in this. El0i ( talk) 14:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
No all of your claims are just your personal opinions, and lets just wait for somebody else to give their opinion so that i and El0i avoid edit warring Lightpositive talk 15:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Learn the definition of 'personal opinion', you decided to change a previously established fact which is backed up by United Kingdom Census_2001#Ethnicity; notice the two seperate percentages of the ethnic groups "White British" and "White (other)"? Do you have any references to back up your idea that "White (other)" is the same as "White British"? El0i ( talk) 15:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Ged UK 13:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
White people in Britain →
White British – The article is now titled incorrectly, following
this edit undertaken without discussion. The article concerns the Census classification "White British", not "White people in Britain" in any more general sense.
Ghmyrtle (
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11:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I want to know how come there is no grid with photos of white british people like there is on every other race - nationality page?-- 86.6.234.40 ( talk) 14:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. No disambiguating qualifier is needed. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:58, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
White British →
White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category) – i know that this was earlier disscused but the proposal was too rapidly closed and with the conclusion of "no consensus" and use this article instead to describe white people in united kingdom of britain in general , that would also make much sense because in the article "United Kingdom" mentions "92 % white" so it would be better if we pipelinked it to "White British" and move that page to White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category)
User:Cordless Larry said : The rationale for the move is that the article is about the use of the term White British as a category in ethnicity statistics, rather than White British people in the more general sense (e.g.
White British pupils).
Ami Deutshe (
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18:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
There are no other articles called "White British", so this disambiguation is unnecessary, per WP:PRECISION. Similarly, Other White (United Kingdom ethnicity category) should be moved to Other White. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 23:40, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
this has NOTHING to do with "precision" or "disambiguation" the point for the move is about using this article for british whites in general(english or polish and so on..) and since we cannot delete information used in this article i consider it is better for it to be moved so we can use this article for the things i mentioned about Ami Deutshe ( talk) 16:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
If "White British" excludes people of Irish descent, then how can Northern Ireland be 98% White British? That doesn't make sense. Shouldn't it be more like 50-55% White British? 108.254.160.23 ( talk) 03:18, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
1.will The person of mixed Turkish/polish and british ancestry be count as white british?2.What is the definition of white british? does it refer to the person of fully British descent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 ( talk • contribs) 10:58, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
So, If there is a man who has totally no british ancestry at all but born in UK(maybe of Italian or spain origin)and live in UK,then he can concerned himself as white British? then is that means even a west Asian could be a "white British" if he wants...so, the census and numbers here are inaccurate... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
How to define the option "white british" here? Does it refers to person with British descent only? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.83.51.37 ( talk) 12:24, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
No,that's not what i mean.you see,in the Official ethnic group question,there is a option "white british" ,then how the government define this option?that's my point,I know it's "self-definition". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.172.8.167 ( talk) 10:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
As a curiosity, are Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, etc of British extraction who migrate to the UK classified as White British or Other White? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 675930s ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Surely this whole classification is racist? John Turner, Burgh House ( talk) 09:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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Jewish people are also defined to be White British by the United Kingdom Census.
Does this mean Oona King qualifies as white?! Timrollpickering 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
White refers to what people identify themselves. Dark skinned Southern Euriopeans are classed as white and so are Turks. A fair looking high cast Indian could choose to tick that he/she is white if they wanted, boosting the white population even higher! 92% white? more likely in its mid 80s.
Is Wilde the best choice for a picture? Under modern rules, given his political views, he might well be classified as 'White Irish' (people in NI who identify as Irish are). 134.226.1.62 11:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Margaret Thatcher Picture? -- Collingwood50 ( talk) 19:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
In the 2001 census the category 'White British' is a sub-category of the group 'White'. The others being 'White Irish' and 'Other White'. The information given relates to the whole group i.e. 'White' as opposed to 'White British'. For example 92.1% of the population is 'White British' + 'White Irish' + 'Other White' = 92.1% if you see what I mean. Therefore this article doesn't actually descibe the group 'White British' at all. I appreciate that this is entirely down to the ONS refusing to break down the figures for the 'White' group, even though they routinely do this for other groups.
Romper 01:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)romper Romper 01:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The numbers shown are incorrect - 92% is the entire white population (White British, White Irish and White Other). See here [1], for a closer representation. -- sony-youth 15:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
For the life of me I don't understand why this article was created. I can think of no real reason for it to exist. All it does is give a few unimportant details from the 2001 census, that are available online from the ONS anyway. The term "White British" is only applicable to the census anyway, no one refers to themselves as "White British", and certainly no one ever considers their ethnic group "White British". We're all either English people, Welsh people, Scottish people, Irish people or just plain British. Most of the information from the census is wrong. For example it claimed that the average "White British" household had 2.4 children, when the citation clearly stated that the average "White British" household was 2.4 people. It's a very badly written article, why does nearly every sentense start with "White British"? I'm thinking of AfDing this article, it has no merit, "White British" could just as well be redirected to Briton. Alun 21:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Wobbs, I agree with you man, and I dont know who is creating all these Asian, White/European, and Black/African "ethnic group" articles which is borderline stupidity if you ask me. I mean articles on the individual races is one thing, but its not like these groups are some fully cohesive group in each of these countries. However, not every British Isles person that is White is English, Irish, Welsh, Cornish or Scottish, and theres numerous White immigrant or immigrant-descended groups like Arabs, Berbers, Jews, Italians, Germans, Dutch, Norwegians, Spanish, etc. 69.157.107.88 21:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree there is no point in this article it nothing more than details from the census White British is not an ethnic group. -- Barry talk 11:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
An infobox for ethnic groups was removed recently on the grounds that "White British" were not an ethnic group. Considering this tag is applied fairly liberally to other groups, exactly what denies it this status?-- Breadandcheese 01:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
If there is an infobox for Black British and Asian British, why not one for White British? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.235.218 ( talk) 13:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Really ought to be removed, since White Britons are not indigenous to the British Isles. Even if you go back as far the Celts, you'll find that they were migrants who traveled west from Celtic centres on the Rhine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.86.230 ( talk) 15:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
That could be said about all "indigenous" groups around the world, yet they would be offended by you saying that they are not really the "indigenous" people of the land, if you said that. Dlpkbr ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I think the use of the word indigenous should actually be encouraged in all areas. "White Britons travelled west" - everyone came from somewhere else. We - native Britons, those who are British by ethnicity - are the indigenous people and we are the majority and as far as 50 years ago, 99% of the population of Great Britain was indigenous and we are one of the most homogenous indigenous populations around today. Look at the last major wave of non-British white migration to Britain with the Normans - this was the time that indigenous Polynesians were still finishing their colonisation of the Pacific. Does this make them less indigenous? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.212.150.190 ( talk) 10:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there such as thing as "indigenous British"? If so, perhaps there should be an article on Wikipedia with that name, that details what it is. -- Rebroad ( talk) 20:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this now for a while and perhaps it's too soon to make a reasoned comment, but I shall. I believe that the term indigenous is an accurate and appropriate term for the "white British" group. The points against, I feel, are easily outdone. - Indigenous has been hijacked by the BNP - Well, the BNP or anyone can and should be allowed to say anything they like with the confines of the law. Yet just because a group whom many hold with great contempt chooses to use particular language does not invalidate that language. - White British came from elsewhere - every indigenous person not residing in sub-Saharan Africa has ancestry that must obviously come from elsewhere. What is important about indigenous is that the word has come to mean first people - incorrectly a synonym for aboriginal - and that wherever there are people, there are a first people. Some of those first people have arrived in recent times; some have been settled for many thousands of years and had adapted quite well until recent arrivals from elsewhere. White British people are predominately descended from people who arrived before the Romans came to Britain. Waves of cultural exchange have had little impact on the genetic pool of the British. The Welsh, English and Scottish identify themselves as different peoples based on factors that are cultural rather than genetic. In essence, they are one family growing up in separate rooms of the same house. - Claiming indigenous heritage is racist - Not necessarily. Many people who are black or brown skinned will be indigenous to Britain due to heritage that is native to Britain. For example. They may have one parent from Africa yet one from Yorkshire. Or a grandparent from Yorkshire. Or Aberdeen. They are still indigenous. Their heritage may not entirely be from the British Isles but they are still a descendent from its first people. Colour should never be a determinant in indigenous identity. - How do you know that your family have been here that long? - Ask this question to any other indigenous person and you'd be done for indecency. We don't. If someone identifies entirely with Britain, that is enough. If someone can irrefutably dispel links with another land, that is enough. It's enough in the Americas. It is enough in the UK. Remember: one doesn't have to be 100% descended from the first hunter gathering humans to cross the landbridge from France into Britain 15,000 years ago in order to be indigenous to Britain. They have to recognise some, yes, but not all. Were it all, then nobody alive today, except for a few tribes in the Amazon, would be indigenous. The term indigenous is not racist, it is not limiting and it is not offensive. About 85% of the British people are indigenous and this is a decreasing number. Some may think that's a good thing, others a bad thing, but it is a reality. Maybe as the aboriginal Britons become an increasing minority in their own land, the term indigenous or aboriginal will hold more weight. Until then, if we are to judge other indigenous peoples by terms of fairness simply because we do not live there, we must likewise recognise that we can be white, the majority, those in charge and, oh my gosh, the direct descendants of the people who first settled this land after the last ice age, and recognising this harms nobody. Enzedbrit ( talk) 14:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
An infobox is needed here. Lord of Moria Talk Contribs 14:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
"25% of the total UK population or approximately 14 million of the white British claim Irish descent"
Is that 25% "white British" or 25% of "white", "white Scottish", "Other White British" and "white British"? (taken from the earlier paragraph: "In Scotland the classification was broken down into two different categories: 'White Scottish' and 'Other White British'. The classification did not appear in Northern Ireland where the comparable classification is described simply as 'White'.")
If only white British then it should say "25% of the total English and Welsh population ..." -- PBS ( talk) 10:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the citations, I think I have found the source: Ethnicity & Identity. AFAICT the 25% is a misreading. "People from the White British group were more likely to describe their national identity as English (58 per cent) rather than British (36 per cent)." which makes at least 94% do not describe themselves as Irish and that does not include Scottish and Welsh (as shown in the graph). I think the misunderstanding is that about 25% of the "white Irish" consider themselves British not that 25% of the UK population consider themselves claim Irish decent. -- PBS ( talk) 10:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
If there are infoboxes for British Mixed, British Black and British Asian, why not for White British, they are also racial categories for the census, not ethnic groups! It's not fair! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.235.218 ( talk) 13:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
What does 'ethnic' mean? Some British people and English people have roots and cultures from other countries where their parents and grandparents are from, like Pakistani Britons and Indian Britons or Russian Britons. White British means someone with no foreign ancestry or ancestral culture to identify with. Even though the culture of young White British or English people is African American, i.e. rap and hip-hop, they are not descended from them. White British people are not considered an ethnic group in their own right but non-White British people are. English people are not an ethnic group according to Wikipedia, but all British people born in England! A lot of Asian or Black English people do not identify with English culture but with the culture of their parents country. They call themselves English whilst rejecting England's culture for their ancestral one!!! That is why the English cannot be called an ethnic group coz even though most are Whites, it includes everyone born in the country. Even most White English people prefer American or French culture to the English one, as it is seen as old-fashioned and embarrassing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.107.81 ( talk) 22:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Chileans don't stop being Chilean just coz they don't dance the cueca! —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Rushton83 ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
(<-) I've just removed another image. It had people (like Adam Smith) who did not participate in the 2001 census (though did define himself as British (not White British mind)), and also Kelly Holmes, who I imagine it is fair to say did not list herself as White British. If we want an image in this infobox, then we need to work out a way forwards before we impliment it. If a simillar image is restored again without discussion I will use WP:BLP powers and lock out editors/articles to force discussion. -- Jza84 | Talk 15:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I have removed Islam and Judaism as major white British religions as they are both obvacly fule as the larger of the 2 relegon is islam which is 2.7 of the population, with a perstentage that low there is no way that there is a large (significant) number of white British muslims. Beyond the 75% is 17% non religion. Alexsau1991 ( talk) 21:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Whilst i do not object to the title changes tonight, i did find it rather funny. Will we be moving Black British and British Pakistanis to something along the same lines? Why stop there though, how about we move the English people Scottish people and Welsh people to the same sort of thing too? lol.
As someone that would define myself as "White British" should i take offense that only the articles on White Brits or mixed race are being changed to this sort of title? As someone that spends alot of time bashing the disgusting BNP, it pains me to say it but they do sort of have a point on these matters dont they :) What amazing double standards.
And i said to myself, what a wonderful world.... BritishWatcher ( talk) 23:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Please note that the addition of parentheticals is deprecated when the plain title is not in use. Dekimasu よ! 08:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
White British → White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category) — - I previously made this move but have moved the article back because it was more controversial than I anticipated (see above). I'm now suggesting it so that it can be discussed in full. The rationale for the move is that the article is about the use of the term White British as a category in ethnicity statistics, rather than White British people in the more general sense (e.g. White British pupils). Cordless Larry ( talk) 18:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Oops - blinked and missed this. Would have supported a move, obviously. Hey ho. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 08:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Does White British mean or include people descended from recent immigrants from other European countries or does it mean people descended from people living in the UK centuries ago?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.174.18.206 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 8 December 2009
I am curious as to why we do not have a page regarding white Britons and their cultural achievements, whilst we do have one for white Americans. If we do decide to do this, please don't let Noobs take control of the project. -- BoJackson34 ( talk) 02:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, what ratings do you propose? Since White British amount to 85% percent of the UK population, I would have thought they would be given a high rating and I don't see how a Top importance isn't warranted. For ethnic groups, that project's rating system isn't too well organised but many ethnic groups there are given a High rating. Christopher Connor ( talk) 22:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
High importance seems fine, these ethnicity articles are secondary to an article like United Kingdom, Scotland etc. The article itself is still very problematic though. We are treaing white British as a simple term used in a census, whilst other people articles like Black British and British Asian is far more in line with people type articles. Its pretty offensive in my opinion, but i have far bigger concerns than this issue. BritishWatcher ( talk) 22:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Does the term British refer to citizen/passport or ancestry/cultural identity? 86.156.196.244 ( talk) 16:42, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
while there is a term called "white other" this article should be more logical as for example a british pole or a british italian are just as white as all other white people in britain, the defention of white people in britain should include everyone white Lightpositive talk 11:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
This is not true, the 2001 Census distinguished White from White British, look at [ [4]] and this United Kingdom Census 2001#Ethnicity please. Being white living in Britain does not a white British make. El0i ( talk) 13:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
"the 2001 Census" is obviously outdated, please see United Kingdom Census 2011 and [ [5]] the new and current census does no longer mention any difference beetween "White british" and "White people in britain" Lightpositive talk 13:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
The 2001 census is not outdated as it's the latest census from which statistics are available. The 2011 census' results have not been released and it does make a distinction between British White and Other White [ [6]], even though that's irrelevant in this. El0i ( talk) 14:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
No all of your claims are just your personal opinions, and lets just wait for somebody else to give their opinion so that i and El0i avoid edit warring Lightpositive talk 15:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Learn the definition of 'personal opinion', you decided to change a previously established fact which is backed up by United Kingdom Census_2001#Ethnicity; notice the two seperate percentages of the ethnic groups "White British" and "White (other)"? Do you have any references to back up your idea that "White (other)" is the same as "White British"? El0i ( talk) 15:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Ged UK 13:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
White people in Britain →
White British – The article is now titled incorrectly, following
this edit undertaken without discussion. The article concerns the Census classification "White British", not "White people in Britain" in any more general sense.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
11:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I want to know how come there is no grid with photos of white british people like there is on every other race - nationality page?-- 86.6.234.40 ( talk) 14:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. No disambiguating qualifier is needed. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:58, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
White British →
White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category) – i know that this was earlier disscused but the proposal was too rapidly closed and with the conclusion of "no consensus" and use this article instead to describe white people in united kingdom of britain in general , that would also make much sense because in the article "United Kingdom" mentions "92 % white" so it would be better if we pipelinked it to "White British" and move that page to White British (United Kingdom ethnicity category)
User:Cordless Larry said : The rationale for the move is that the article is about the use of the term White British as a category in ethnicity statistics, rather than White British people in the more general sense (e.g.
White British pupils).
Ami Deutshe (
talk)
18:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
There are no other articles called "White British", so this disambiguation is unnecessary, per WP:PRECISION. Similarly, Other White (United Kingdom ethnicity category) should be moved to Other White. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 23:40, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
this has NOTHING to do with "precision" or "disambiguation" the point for the move is about using this article for british whites in general(english or polish and so on..) and since we cannot delete information used in this article i consider it is better for it to be moved so we can use this article for the things i mentioned about Ami Deutshe ( talk) 16:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
If "White British" excludes people of Irish descent, then how can Northern Ireland be 98% White British? That doesn't make sense. Shouldn't it be more like 50-55% White British? 108.254.160.23 ( talk) 03:18, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
1.will The person of mixed Turkish/polish and british ancestry be count as white british?2.What is the definition of white british? does it refer to the person of fully British descent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 ( talk • contribs) 10:58, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
So, If there is a man who has totally no british ancestry at all but born in UK(maybe of Italian or spain origin)and live in UK,then he can concerned himself as white British? then is that means even a west Asian could be a "white British" if he wants...so, the census and numbers here are inaccurate... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
How to define the option "white british" here? Does it refers to person with British descent only? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.83.51.37 ( talk) 12:24, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
No,that's not what i mean.you see,in the Official ethnic group question,there is a option "white british" ,then how the government define this option?that's my point,I know it's "self-definition". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.172.8.167 ( talk) 10:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
As a curiosity, are Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, etc of British extraction who migrate to the UK classified as White British or Other White? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 675930s ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Surely this whole classification is racist? John Turner, Burgh House ( talk) 09:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)