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The provided audio file file of someone speaking "Wanganui" (at the beginning of the article linked as "pronunciation") implies that this is the correct way to say it. I suggest removing the Ogg file until the naming debate is over, or supplementing the article with other pronunciations. 202.78.240.7 ( talk) 03:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Ko Ruapehu te Maunga
Ko Whanganui te Awa
Ko Atihaunui a papa rangi te Iwi
Ko Turoa te tangata
Ko ahau e uri o Matata Turoa raua Ko Te Mihiata
Ko Matata Turoa
As one who has very strong ties to Wanganui, I still regard the 'Whanganui' spelling as incorrect, & that spelling has very strong racist overtones. The people of Wanganui weren't consulted over the spelling change anyway! - ( Aidan Work 05:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC))
The spelling will be changed but the choice of being pronounced the same is favourable.
[sarcasm]Also, PC FTW[/sarcasm] 125.236.190.151 ( talk) 09:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The official decision is to be announced today. According to [1], the Government will use the name "Whanganui" but others are free to use "Wanganui" if they prefer.
The Wanganui District Council - like most organisations and individuals including the local newspaper, the 'Wanganui Chronicle' have decided to retain the h-less spelling and that is both the tradition of the area AND a lawful spelling of the city and district.
Whoever is adding the 'h' is falsely supposing only one legal spelling exists. The place is unique - two valid & legal spellings exist.
My feeling is that we should use the government spelling in this article, while noting that the alternative spelling is acceptable. Accordingly, I propose we rename the article to Whanganui. Category:Wanganui should also change. Related articles such as Wanganui Airport and Wanganui Chronicle should change only if those organisations start using the "h" themselves. Similarly, we will need to change the Manawatu-Wanganui Region and its categories once the regional council changes its website. See [2] for their current spelling.
Please do not debate the merits of the name change here, only the effect it should have on our article naming.- gadfium 17:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not correct, the New Zealand Geographic Board is the authority on official New Zealand placenames, in this case the final decision was made by Maurice Williamson, Minister for Land Information. "Local government in New Zealand has only the powers conferred upon it by Parliament", the Wanganui District Council gets to decide local street names. XLerate ( talk) 00:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Now it's official. Citing the Minister:
"My expectation is that all official documents will be able to use either form of the spelling as the official city name. However, Crown agencies will be expected to move to the name Whanganui over time."
We should here clearly give both names in bold letters at the beginning, but the title of the article should reflect the way government agencies use it. -- B. Jankuloski ( talk) 23:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I've moved the article and made some changes to it to use the changed spelling. I've left "Wanganui" for use in any historical context, and when referring to any organisation. This will need to be updated if/as organisations adopt the changed spelling. I have not addressed the issue of categories or the District and Regional Councils as yet. Other editors are welcome to do so.- gadfium 05:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I have started a new section to make it simpler to navigate. This is an appeal of a previous decision. I propose to revert the name to 'Wanganui'.
The issue is one which I would like to bring under reviews. Several significant issues were left out in prior discussion.
Personally, I think it makes far more sense to name the article 'Wanganui' without an 'h'. Wipkipkedia ( talk) 11:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Search_engine_test - Wanganui: 4,750,000 - Whanganui: 433,000 -
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Revert to Wanganui, as it is the most common and recognisable name, as Wikipedia:COMMONNAME#Common_names states, by Wikipedia policy. No evidence given that Whanganui has succeeded this. Wipkipkedia ( talk) 00:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Your search engine test is clearly not suitable, because it fails to differentiate between the various places and things called Wanganui and those called Whanganui, and it fails to exclude references made before mid December. Even allowing for these factors, it still produces anomalous results. For example, there are far more Google hits for " Whanganui District Council" than for " Wanganui District Council". I suspect this is an artifact of some sort, rather than evidence, but your logic would dictate that each mention of the council should be renamed.- gadfium 19:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
See discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move. It appears that the result of the common name test is, at best, uncertain, and there is sufficient opposition to the move for me to close this as no consensus. -- RegentsPark ( talk) 17:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Whanganui → Wanganui — It appears that the form without the H is still the WP:COMMONNAME, and thet above discussions seem to reflect this. It's a long-held precedent that "the government said so" generally is not reason enough for a move. 81.111.114.131 ( talk) 15:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC) (typo fixed 81.111.114.131 ( talk) 16:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC))
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In the introduction, this phrase is untrue. Both Wanganui and Whanganui are official spellings. Wipkipkedia ( talk) 06:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
[ [12]] Fact. Benner9 ( talk) 07:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
The hypocrisy an observer can see within senior members of wiki when it suits them. Its amusing. I personally couldn't care less what name wikipedia chooses to use. But, it is fantastic to see practices and rules ignored because it suddenly suits them. For starters, this shouldn't have been moved before consensus in the first place. I've seen plenty of naming arguments with similarities to this one. I am not really able to argue it properly because I am not as higher educated as some here. Does that make me ignorant on the issue? No. Does that mean my ability to think logically on the topic is any less? No.
Debating with senior members is like trying to defend yourself without a lawyer. You don't have a chance whether you're right or wrong. And here I am now, strongly off topic. Is there anywhere I can ask for another opinion from a non New Zealand admin? Please don't see this as a personal attack - I do respect the people behind this place!
Benner9 ( talk) 09:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I have protected this article from edits by new or anon editors. Jeepday ( talk) 12:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Where is the stress in the Maori? First syllable?
The English has a hard gee in the news coverage, apart from the one guy who says "WONG-ə-noy", so I put that back in. — kwami ( talk) 00:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
From the name section, it sounds as though it's either [w] or [ɸ] in Maori. Also, we say that it's pronounced with an initial glottal stop in Maori. However, Maori doesn't have a glottal stop. What's that about? — kwami ( talk) 01:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
It is unfortunate that consensus has still not been reached on this issue. We should collate a number of members, policies and arguments together and go through this issue methodically and with respect. The process so far has been less than ideal from both sides it seems. If you would like to contribute to this please sign your username below. Also feel free to make suggestions on process et cetera.
Okay, we clearly have no consensus. Before we delve into debate, let us collate the participants and decide how we will approach the issue. I am in the process of remaking an account so will sign soon.
There are a number of issues which we may want to discuss individually.
I'm attempting to make this process as useful and collaborative as possible. Please contribute on how we can improve this.
Mayor Charles Mackay needs his own page; the link directs to one of the two other Charles Mackays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giantflightlessbirds ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I am editing the statement which makes the claim that Whanganui is the only New Zealand city to ban gang insignia. Gang insignia have now been banned in all public places in New Zealand (swimming pools, schools, libraries, museums, government buildings, etc).
http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/gang-patch-ban-bill-about-to-be-passed-2013080705
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11107202 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorrowawaits ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
A community editing group in Whanganui, Wiki Wednesday, has been recently formed and is enthusiastically trying to improve this page and some related ones; I'm group coordinator. Could I ask editors to be supportive of this, and try to fix or tweak any mistakes they see rather that necessarily revert? I will do my best to tidy things up as well. I'm encouraging them to use Talk pages and make incremental edits rather than wholesale changes. Many thanks. Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 17:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Can someone who knows their IPA listen to some sound samples and fix the pronunciations listed? I've just reverted a well-meaning change. To reiterate and expand the topics above, there are three current pronunciations of the town's name; Wanganui is usually spoken by pakeha locals with a hard g, the Māori pronunciation of Whanganui begins with a hw sound (local) or a f sound (for other iwi). Any way of conveying that? Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 22:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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I've been editing the list of notable people of Whanganui, adding Jane Winstone, trimming the professions/claim to fame to a standard length, and removing a few. Carl Takarangi-Hutchby and Doreen Bennett, both listed as " international advocate at UN for Human Rights", could be Wikipedia-notable – a quick search only turns up a couple of mentions in the news, though – so perhaps it would be better for someone to create their pages, establish notability with links to secondary sources, and then add them to the list. Mark Christiansen seems to be a candidate for notability, based on news coverage. It would also be good to go through the list establishing their exact link to Whanganui: Victoria Ransom's article had no mention of Whanganui, and all I could find was that she grew up near Bulls (which I added), so presumably Whanganui is where she went to high school. Is that enough to make her a Notable Whanganui Person? Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 10:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I suggest if you want to make a limit to how many notable people are listed on the Whanganui page please do that, when that number is reached the list can then be broken up into sections (various ways). Riverviewhouse ( talk) 03:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I will keep my conversations about notable people to my own circle, both the question of "should they have a page of their own before they appear on a notable people list for a town/school etc AND who are notable Whanganui people. We remain in disagreement over these. Riverviewhouse ( talk) 03:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
You have raised again the subject of schools, should they be there?. Secondary schools are on Whanganui's page, that follows the Gisborne, Oamaru pages. Do you have a problem with the layout? (easily changed) or the content? 03:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I suggest that the aforementioned article be merged into this article, as it is a small suburb of this city. Per WP:NPLACE. -- MrClog ( talk) 09:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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The town of Whanganui has always been pronounced (roughly) as 'Wanganui' by local people and strangers who know how to pronounce the name. It is pronounced (roughly) as 'Fo nga nui' by outsiders with a political axe to grind. That doesn't matter, it's settled, but the consequence is that there has been a major argument over the spelling. Māori spelling is phonetic so if it is said as 'Wa nga nui' then it seems to make sense to spell it as 'Wanganui'. However since the local Iwi pronounce 'Wh' as 'W' then 'Whanganui' is phonetically spelled in the Taranaki dialect. The argument was effectively closed when in 2015 when a definitive ruling by LINZ declared the name to be Whanganui. [1] The reason I am reopening this discussion is a recent edit changed the lead from "Whanganui previously spelled Wanganui" to "Whanganui also spelled Wanganui". This was reverted but then re-reverted. I will not revert a second time without a consensus. I believe that since 17 November 2015 the word 'previous' is correct. Please confirm or deny this proposition. OrewaTel ( talk) 03:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
References
I was just about to change the lead sentence from "Whanganui, previously spelled Wanganui..." to "Whanganui, also spelled Wanganui...", because the latter seems to more accurate reflect current reality in the town, and because it better matches the text in the reference [13], which clearly states that either name "may be used as the official geographic name". But then I realized that this would likely be controversial, and then noticed this thread from May 2021, which specifically asks about this (the wording in the lead sentence), but which never seemed to be resolved. So to address just this one question (not pronunciation or anything else in the article): Should the lead sentence say "previously spelled Wanganui", or "also spelled Wanganui"? PatricKiwi ( talk) 02:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
@ OrewaTel: I added this link because "freezing works" is not such a well known term. In an encyclopedia with a global readership, many readers won't know what it means. Why did you remove the link? — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 14:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
The question has been asked. To quote from New Zealand Gazetteer ( https://gazetteer.linz.govt.nz/place/7006)
Whanganui
This is an official name Current Status: Assigned
Feature Type: City
Does that constitute an answer? OrewaTel ( talk) 20:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
At present, this article does not appear to give sufficient emphasis to the importance of the river for the early settlement and commercial success of the town, or to the on-going influence of the river on the town, both physically and culturally. While there is a separate article Whanganui River, there is a need for appropriate summary content in this article, and a "main" template link or similar to put the importance of the river in context in this article. The history (in particular) and also the geography of the city need stronger links to the river and the associated article. This proposal may require some improvement to Whanganui River as well - particularly expanding the lead. Any offers to help out ??.. Marshelec ( talk) 08:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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The provided audio file file of someone speaking "Wanganui" (at the beginning of the article linked as "pronunciation") implies that this is the correct way to say it. I suggest removing the Ogg file until the naming debate is over, or supplementing the article with other pronunciations. 202.78.240.7 ( talk) 03:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Ko Ruapehu te Maunga
Ko Whanganui te Awa
Ko Atihaunui a papa rangi te Iwi
Ko Turoa te tangata
Ko ahau e uri o Matata Turoa raua Ko Te Mihiata
Ko Matata Turoa
As one who has very strong ties to Wanganui, I still regard the 'Whanganui' spelling as incorrect, & that spelling has very strong racist overtones. The people of Wanganui weren't consulted over the spelling change anyway! - ( Aidan Work 05:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC))
The spelling will be changed but the choice of being pronounced the same is favourable.
[sarcasm]Also, PC FTW[/sarcasm] 125.236.190.151 ( talk) 09:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The official decision is to be announced today. According to [1], the Government will use the name "Whanganui" but others are free to use "Wanganui" if they prefer.
The Wanganui District Council - like most organisations and individuals including the local newspaper, the 'Wanganui Chronicle' have decided to retain the h-less spelling and that is both the tradition of the area AND a lawful spelling of the city and district.
Whoever is adding the 'h' is falsely supposing only one legal spelling exists. The place is unique - two valid & legal spellings exist.
My feeling is that we should use the government spelling in this article, while noting that the alternative spelling is acceptable. Accordingly, I propose we rename the article to Whanganui. Category:Wanganui should also change. Related articles such as Wanganui Airport and Wanganui Chronicle should change only if those organisations start using the "h" themselves. Similarly, we will need to change the Manawatu-Wanganui Region and its categories once the regional council changes its website. See [2] for their current spelling.
Please do not debate the merits of the name change here, only the effect it should have on our article naming.- gadfium 17:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not correct, the New Zealand Geographic Board is the authority on official New Zealand placenames, in this case the final decision was made by Maurice Williamson, Minister for Land Information. "Local government in New Zealand has only the powers conferred upon it by Parliament", the Wanganui District Council gets to decide local street names. XLerate ( talk) 00:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Now it's official. Citing the Minister:
"My expectation is that all official documents will be able to use either form of the spelling as the official city name. However, Crown agencies will be expected to move to the name Whanganui over time."
We should here clearly give both names in bold letters at the beginning, but the title of the article should reflect the way government agencies use it. -- B. Jankuloski ( talk) 23:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I've moved the article and made some changes to it to use the changed spelling. I've left "Wanganui" for use in any historical context, and when referring to any organisation. This will need to be updated if/as organisations adopt the changed spelling. I have not addressed the issue of categories or the District and Regional Councils as yet. Other editors are welcome to do so.- gadfium 05:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I have started a new section to make it simpler to navigate. This is an appeal of a previous decision. I propose to revert the name to 'Wanganui'.
The issue is one which I would like to bring under reviews. Several significant issues were left out in prior discussion.
Personally, I think it makes far more sense to name the article 'Wanganui' without an 'h'. Wipkipkedia ( talk) 11:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Search_engine_test - Wanganui: 4,750,000 - Whanganui: 433,000 -
Wipkipkedia (
talk)
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Revert to Wanganui, as it is the most common and recognisable name, as Wikipedia:COMMONNAME#Common_names states, by Wikipedia policy. No evidence given that Whanganui has succeeded this. Wipkipkedia ( talk) 00:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Your search engine test is clearly not suitable, because it fails to differentiate between the various places and things called Wanganui and those called Whanganui, and it fails to exclude references made before mid December. Even allowing for these factors, it still produces anomalous results. For example, there are far more Google hits for " Whanganui District Council" than for " Wanganui District Council". I suspect this is an artifact of some sort, rather than evidence, but your logic would dictate that each mention of the council should be renamed.- gadfium 19:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
See discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move. It appears that the result of the common name test is, at best, uncertain, and there is sufficient opposition to the move for me to close this as no consensus. -- RegentsPark ( talk) 17:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Whanganui → Wanganui — It appears that the form without the H is still the WP:COMMONNAME, and thet above discussions seem to reflect this. It's a long-held precedent that "the government said so" generally is not reason enough for a move. 81.111.114.131 ( talk) 15:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC) (typo fixed 81.111.114.131 ( talk) 16:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC))
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In the introduction, this phrase is untrue. Both Wanganui and Whanganui are official spellings. Wipkipkedia ( talk) 06:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
[ [12]] Fact. Benner9 ( talk) 07:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
The hypocrisy an observer can see within senior members of wiki when it suits them. Its amusing. I personally couldn't care less what name wikipedia chooses to use. But, it is fantastic to see practices and rules ignored because it suddenly suits them. For starters, this shouldn't have been moved before consensus in the first place. I've seen plenty of naming arguments with similarities to this one. I am not really able to argue it properly because I am not as higher educated as some here. Does that make me ignorant on the issue? No. Does that mean my ability to think logically on the topic is any less? No.
Debating with senior members is like trying to defend yourself without a lawyer. You don't have a chance whether you're right or wrong. And here I am now, strongly off topic. Is there anywhere I can ask for another opinion from a non New Zealand admin? Please don't see this as a personal attack - I do respect the people behind this place!
Benner9 ( talk) 09:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I have protected this article from edits by new or anon editors. Jeepday ( talk) 12:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Where is the stress in the Maori? First syllable?
The English has a hard gee in the news coverage, apart from the one guy who says "WONG-ə-noy", so I put that back in. — kwami ( talk) 00:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
From the name section, it sounds as though it's either [w] or [ɸ] in Maori. Also, we say that it's pronounced with an initial glottal stop in Maori. However, Maori doesn't have a glottal stop. What's that about? — kwami ( talk) 01:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
It is unfortunate that consensus has still not been reached on this issue. We should collate a number of members, policies and arguments together and go through this issue methodically and with respect. The process so far has been less than ideal from both sides it seems. If you would like to contribute to this please sign your username below. Also feel free to make suggestions on process et cetera.
Okay, we clearly have no consensus. Before we delve into debate, let us collate the participants and decide how we will approach the issue. I am in the process of remaking an account so will sign soon.
There are a number of issues which we may want to discuss individually.
I'm attempting to make this process as useful and collaborative as possible. Please contribute on how we can improve this.
Mayor Charles Mackay needs his own page; the link directs to one of the two other Charles Mackays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giantflightlessbirds ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I am editing the statement which makes the claim that Whanganui is the only New Zealand city to ban gang insignia. Gang insignia have now been banned in all public places in New Zealand (swimming pools, schools, libraries, museums, government buildings, etc).
http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/gang-patch-ban-bill-about-to-be-passed-2013080705
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11107202 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorrowawaits ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
A community editing group in Whanganui, Wiki Wednesday, has been recently formed and is enthusiastically trying to improve this page and some related ones; I'm group coordinator. Could I ask editors to be supportive of this, and try to fix or tweak any mistakes they see rather that necessarily revert? I will do my best to tidy things up as well. I'm encouraging them to use Talk pages and make incremental edits rather than wholesale changes. Many thanks. Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 17:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Can someone who knows their IPA listen to some sound samples and fix the pronunciations listed? I've just reverted a well-meaning change. To reiterate and expand the topics above, there are three current pronunciations of the town's name; Wanganui is usually spoken by pakeha locals with a hard g, the Māori pronunciation of Whanganui begins with a hw sound (local) or a f sound (for other iwi). Any way of conveying that? Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 22:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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I've been editing the list of notable people of Whanganui, adding Jane Winstone, trimming the professions/claim to fame to a standard length, and removing a few. Carl Takarangi-Hutchby and Doreen Bennett, both listed as " international advocate at UN for Human Rights", could be Wikipedia-notable – a quick search only turns up a couple of mentions in the news, though – so perhaps it would be better for someone to create their pages, establish notability with links to secondary sources, and then add them to the list. Mark Christiansen seems to be a candidate for notability, based on news coverage. It would also be good to go through the list establishing their exact link to Whanganui: Victoria Ransom's article had no mention of Whanganui, and all I could find was that she grew up near Bulls (which I added), so presumably Whanganui is where she went to high school. Is that enough to make her a Notable Whanganui Person? Giantflightlessbirds ( talk) 10:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I suggest if you want to make a limit to how many notable people are listed on the Whanganui page please do that, when that number is reached the list can then be broken up into sections (various ways). Riverviewhouse ( talk) 03:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I will keep my conversations about notable people to my own circle, both the question of "should they have a page of their own before they appear on a notable people list for a town/school etc AND who are notable Whanganui people. We remain in disagreement over these. Riverviewhouse ( talk) 03:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
You have raised again the subject of schools, should they be there?. Secondary schools are on Whanganui's page, that follows the Gisborne, Oamaru pages. Do you have a problem with the layout? (easily changed) or the content? 03:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I suggest that the aforementioned article be merged into this article, as it is a small suburb of this city. Per WP:NPLACE. -- MrClog ( talk) 09:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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The town of Whanganui has always been pronounced (roughly) as 'Wanganui' by local people and strangers who know how to pronounce the name. It is pronounced (roughly) as 'Fo nga nui' by outsiders with a political axe to grind. That doesn't matter, it's settled, but the consequence is that there has been a major argument over the spelling. Māori spelling is phonetic so if it is said as 'Wa nga nui' then it seems to make sense to spell it as 'Wanganui'. However since the local Iwi pronounce 'Wh' as 'W' then 'Whanganui' is phonetically spelled in the Taranaki dialect. The argument was effectively closed when in 2015 when a definitive ruling by LINZ declared the name to be Whanganui. [1] The reason I am reopening this discussion is a recent edit changed the lead from "Whanganui previously spelled Wanganui" to "Whanganui also spelled Wanganui". This was reverted but then re-reverted. I will not revert a second time without a consensus. I believe that since 17 November 2015 the word 'previous' is correct. Please confirm or deny this proposition. OrewaTel ( talk) 03:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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I was just about to change the lead sentence from "Whanganui, previously spelled Wanganui..." to "Whanganui, also spelled Wanganui...", because the latter seems to more accurate reflect current reality in the town, and because it better matches the text in the reference [13], which clearly states that either name "may be used as the official geographic name". But then I realized that this would likely be controversial, and then noticed this thread from May 2021, which specifically asks about this (the wording in the lead sentence), but which never seemed to be resolved. So to address just this one question (not pronunciation or anything else in the article): Should the lead sentence say "previously spelled Wanganui", or "also spelled Wanganui"? PatricKiwi ( talk) 02:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
@ OrewaTel: I added this link because "freezing works" is not such a well known term. In an encyclopedia with a global readership, many readers won't know what it means. Why did you remove the link? — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 14:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
The question has been asked. To quote from New Zealand Gazetteer ( https://gazetteer.linz.govt.nz/place/7006)
Whanganui
This is an official name Current Status: Assigned
Feature Type: City
Does that constitute an answer? OrewaTel ( talk) 20:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
At present, this article does not appear to give sufficient emphasis to the importance of the river for the early settlement and commercial success of the town, or to the on-going influence of the river on the town, both physically and culturally. While there is a separate article Whanganui River, there is a need for appropriate summary content in this article, and a "main" template link or similar to put the importance of the river in context in this article. The history (in particular) and also the geography of the city need stronger links to the river and the associated article. This proposal may require some improvement to Whanganui River as well - particularly expanding the lead. Any offers to help out ??.. Marshelec ( talk) 08:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)