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It's not clear if the picture of a whale at sea was added as a joke or to illustrate the shape for comparative purposes. If it's the latter, then a better picture is needed. In this one, the tail is dark against a dark background and doesn't stand out clearly. Rodparkes 02:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Cam we please get a less discusting picture......please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.109.80.180 ( talk) 04:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Did anyone else notice that the thong in the picture is misworn, as in her waist is through a leg hole? Just curious. Hooya27 ( talk) 01:52, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
This term is not notable on its own and will likely fail another AfD. It should be merged into Cleavage (anatomy) if this information is to be retained. If there's no opposition, this will be done in 48 hours, otherwise I'll file another AfD. Thanks, Cumulus Clouds ( talk) 20:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Some voyeur sites on the Internet call these "Pull Me Thongs" or PMTs. Is this usage widespread enough to be mentioned in the article? Rodparkes 09:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Urban Dictionary may not be a reliable source but it's obviously better than adding a thousand links to all kinds of retailing sites and porn sites that refer to the term. Please, run a google test before you remove the word. Language develops bottom up, i.e. a coinage starts in the streets, creeping up to quasi-academia (like the Urban Dictionary) and eventually is recognized by the academia (like the ADS). While citing the coinage off the streets would amount to original research, it may very well be cited off sources like the Urban Legend. The coinage is notable, and, at that, should not be removed. If the source looks like unacceptable, replace the source. that obviously requires more initiative than simply pressing the undo button, but, I guess, it's worth it. Aditya( talk • contribs) 05:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I just came to know that Cumulus Clouds has left us to meet the great omniscience in heaven. I feel so bad that the only few exchanges I had with this great editor was not congenial, and we belonged to opposite ends of an opinion spectrum. This is for you CC, no matter what was said and what action was taken, I believed and still do that you're a great editor, and you'll always remain in my memories as so. Thank you for your patience and efforts. I wish I could a fraction of a good editor as you were. Aditya( talk • contribs) 02:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Various users seem intent on adding a link to www.whale-tail.com - is such a link really necesary in the article? Does it provide any useful information, other than access to a gallery of whaletail pictures? -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
www.whale-tail.com was the website that created the term, without it this page would not exist. A history of the term and the creation of the website was listed here http://www.whale-tail.com/index-history.html as well as documentation of the fight for getting www.whaletail.com can be seen here: http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/showthread.php?t=13478 I will try and get Garv over here to discus this as last I heard he's been trying to get it Trade Marked for the past 3 years.
Maybe have a section saying, "The creator started it on October 19th 2003 when he released the website www.whale-tail.com to the world" google listing has "Google began in January 1996, as a research project by Larry Page, who was soon joined by Sergey Brin" so why does a creation by another person in the online community not get credit? Maybe just have a page for Garv as he also created Fripples http://www.fripples.net/
It's redundant not to have it as part of the history! User ¦ Talk 08:51, 11 April 2008 (GMT)
Quoting policy after policy ( Connective trivia, WP:EL, synthesis etc.) and eroding stuff from the article by the people who tried to get it deleted, declaring it would never have any value, and who never contributed a single typed-in character to develop the article - that's what we have here. Please, discuss before you remove, particularly if it's a direct quote with direct relevance from a highly reliable source. Also, use rationality. "Wearing pants below waist and thereby exposing skin or intimate clothing" is indeed a law that concerns whale-tails, unless you are totally bent on lawyering. And, stop removing stuff that contextualize the subject, like the rise of the g-string and low-rise pants, especially when the context has been adequately explained through sourced information. Eroding stuff little by little may eventually get the article minimized to a level when it's ready for another deletion proposal, but that may not be a very desirable situation. Aditya( talk • contribs) 14:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
The woman is obviously wearing a G-string incorrectly. I noticed before I even enlarged it, any woman who wears thongs and the like should be able to tell. One of the thigh bands is passing between her legs; she's wearing it sideways. Maybe I'm a little obsessive for being annoyed by that, but shouldn't there be a better picture? 207.172.186.128 ( talk) 16:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
L0b0t ( talk · contribs) is trying to censor the Image:Whale tail display.jpg. I have added it back. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 02:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
A free image of the person described as the major proponent of popularizing a fashion trend isn't necessarily irrelevant. I have rewritten the caption to make the situation simpler. It would have been lot better if the image showed her flashing a whale tail, but that can't be an absolute necessity (it would have been so for a non-free image alright). I find no problem with pertinence or encyclopedicity in portraying a catalyst of a phenomenon, especially when contextualized and clarified by the accompanying caption, as well as the body of the text (I also intend to add to the cultural depiction stuff already in the caption). May be you'd like to explain your stand with little more clarity instead of simply removing content. I may be completely mistaken here, but so far that isn't looking like the case. Please, help clear the situation. Aditya( talk • contribs) 17:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Ah! You didn't have to post this poem-like thing to respond, and you didn't have to start an alround attack because I wanted to have the matter discussed before actioned. An elegant show of " I don't like it" done in style, with an edit war to go with it, supported by an incivil attitude. Is this how you plan to build an encyclopedia? Aditya( talk • contribs) 05:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The article is well-written and well-referenced. Anyone wish to nominate it for GA? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 08:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
No, the article needs a thorough copy-edit, the first half of the article reads like it was written by someone for whom English is a second language. The title should be changed to reflect the fact that "whale tail" as a fashion term is very recent and that "whale tail" has a much longer pedigree in the automotive, bicycle, and masonry industries. There is too much weight given to the underwear-related use of the term. Also the tone used throughout is inappropriate for an encyclopedia, much of the prose would be better suited in a tabloid or Sunday supplement. This article has a long way to go before GA status is considered. Cheers. L0b0t ( talk) 14:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I have now completed by review, which is below in three parts:
GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I will place this nomination on hold to allow for these changes to be addressed and/or discussed. Any questions or comments can be left here, as I have plced this page on my watchlist. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I am liking it much better now. Please, let me know what more needs to be done. Aditya( talk • contribs) 04:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
It is looking much better. The only thing remaining is the reference formatting. Because so many of them are not formatted with a template, information is missing. For example, #1 is good, #2 is awkwardly formatted because it isn't using the cite book template, #3 isn't formatted and it is missing a page number, #4 isn't formatted and doesn't have a year of publication or a page number, #5 is good, #6 isn't formatted, #7 isn't formatted, #8 is good, #9 is good, and #10 is missing an access date. I did a quick look through and fixed a few, but there were still quite a few that needed work. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 15:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I finished up the work on the references, so that is all good. The only other thing left is the picture of the whale with the large caption. I was fairly sure that information was moved into the prose of the article. Was it moved back again? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 16:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
That seems fine. With that said, the article is comprehensive, well-written, properly sourced, neutral, stable, and illustrated with appropriate free-use images. It meets all of the GA criteria, so I am promoting it. Congratulations! Thank you for your patience, hard work, and quick responses. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 06:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why some of the refs at the end of the article are appearing in boldface types? I couldn't locate the formatting error. Can someone help identify, or better fix, the problem? Aditya( talk • contribs) 03:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason for the edit war over images? As far as I understand, Wikipedia policies and guidelines have nothing to say against images that are in alignment with article context, especially when it involves free images. Aditya( talk • contribs) 12:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
There are enough images in the article already. The more images you add the more you stymie a legion of users who access the encyclopedia via mobile device or even older computers. The allure of the image is far outweighed by the slowdown of the page load when there are already several images in the article that illustrate the subject quite nicely. Cheers. L0b0t ( talk) 13:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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Copy-pasted from User talk:Aditya Kabir and the deleted stuff from User talk:Darrenhusted
Good rule. Who introduced it, and when? Would you explain, please. Aditya( talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Are meant to illustrate a point, so it is accepted (and I suggest you look as any FA for use of photos) that is two pictures essentially portray the same thing then only one needs to be kept, hence one of those pictures is redundant. By all means put the other picture back in, but you would have to remove the other. Also you are on your third revert on that page so I would step back from it for a while and you may want to read WP:OWN, I understand you have done a lot of work to that page, kudos, but you don't own it and wikipedia policies and guidelines trump everything. I would suggest you give them a quick read, if you were un-aware that articles are not meant to be overload with pictures then it suggests you are not fully versed in the finer points of WP. Darrenhusted ( talk) 16:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't own the article. But, I definitely own the Wikipedia, as much as you do. Trapping into 3RR was good move, and that proves you're pretty well versed in the Wiki-ways. But, where it really says that five images in a pretty long article is overload? Aditya( talk • contribs) 16:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
You weren't trapped in to 3RR, you made three reverts, you could have stopped after the first, or the second however you didn't. The other editor said "superfluous" and "redundant", you reverted saying to build a consensus on the talk page but you didn't make a case for keeping the image. Instead you attacked those who had reverted you and implied a 3RR trap. If you want consensus then you have it, at the moment, 2:1 to keep the image out as it is redundant. The two images show the same thing, so if you want, pick which one is the best, then keep that but there is no point in having two images showing the exact same thing. And on the talk page the other editor did already establish a consensus, in August, when the picture was changed. You stated in November that you wanted to get it up to FA, that's not going to happen with two pictures. You need to show a whale tail (on a whale) a whale tail (on a car) and a whale tail (on a woman). The article has these, duplicate pictures would be the first thing that an FA reviewer would ask to be changed. You got the article to GA, but fighting over something that goes against policy is never going to improve an article. Darrenhusted ( talk) 17:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Which policy exactly was violated? Can you, please, lead me to it? Aditya( talk • contribs) 18:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Undoing unfavorable posts repeatedly ( [6], [7], [8]) didn't get erased from history |
I agree with Aditya, there is not much reason to remove this image. This article is only ~47 KB in size, there are only 6 images, including the lead one, which is not much at all comparatively, and the images are well-spaced throughout the article. "Whale tail" referring to a thong is the main topic of this article and having two images of different types of thongs is not that redundant. Lastly, you are wrong about there not being a lead image when this article was promoted to good article. Click on the link at the top of this talk page, the image was in the now-deleted infobox that was on that page, that's why you can't see it ( File:Whaletail oc.jpg was the image). For all these reasons I'm adding the lead image back in, however, since File:Whale tail, thong.jpg currently has a deletion tag on it I'm going to add back in the image that was there previously. If the other image is not deleted and is actually in the public domain then it can be added back in then if you think it's a better lead image. LonelyMarble ( talk) 06:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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Wow, you need to assume good faith and confine your comments to content, not contributors. My participation on the talk page is evident from my postings to this very talk page. This is merely an editing disagreement, there is no need whatsoever to have such a burr under your blanket. Your accusations are unfounded and I ask that you please retract them. Cheers. L0b0t ( talk) 15:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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Not sure how this passed good article review with the article covering more than one entirely separate topic, but hey. I've split the section on the spoiler out to Spoiler (automotive)#Whale tail, I've added that definition to wikt:whale tail, and I've added the definition of " wikt:whale's tail" for a bifurcation of an artery. I have removed the lengthy caption about the tails of whales (anyone interested in this can visit whale) and I have removed all the other poorly sourced and obscure meanings of "whale tail" as this is an encyclopedia article about the visible underwear, not a dictionary. Fences& Windows 22:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
[Carried over from my talk page]
You restored all the irrelevant material about "Other whale tails", which is disappointing to see. Wikipedia articles are about single topics (in this case a type of visible underwear), not topics that happen to share a name. That is not an article on the phrase "whale tail". Surely you understand this?
I merged the material on the spoiler to Spoiler (automotive)#Whale tail, and added entries to wiktionary:whale tail and wiktionary:whale's tail (where they could be supported). I've restored the material about the car spoiler to the Spoiler (automotive) article - please don't revert. Removing it from that article and adding it back to an article on visible underwear was a poor editing decision, because the content is about spoilers, not visible underwear. The cobbled together section remaining on various obscure uses of the term "whale tail" that uses some fairly unreliable sources definitely detracts from this article, and I don't see why you're defending its inclusion. Fences& Windows 15:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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I moved unrelated material to Whale tail (disambiguation), and some of it was deleted because whale tail was not mentioned in the linked article [15]. Please note that the Word of the Year title was given to the fashion meaning, and only cetaceans are related to it, not spoilers or arteries. Turesable ( talk) 01:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
While exposure of the waistband is a whale tail, it is never the case that the exposure needs to be full. In fact, most of the cases of whale tails noted by media and academia did not represent full exposure. Therefore, changing the lead image to signify that would be putting a wrong implication forward. Aditya( talk • contribs) 12:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
First of all, I never made a statement that something which looks like a triangle can be correctly defined as a "whale tail". I don't understand why I need to validate that. And, I am not advocating anything. Where did you find that idea? And, I never said the other image is not a whale tail. Where did that supposition come from? And, why are you challenging my agreement with you about the slight possibility that it may not be a thong? I thought reaching an agreement is a good thing.
Anyways, I hope we can close this now. I have made some changes to the article, though the sample images are no definitive validation. I have moved the the image you put in the lead back to the lead, though the sample images showing in the linked pages are no definitive validation. I also have kept the other image on the basis of your statement - "I have nothing against use of the second image including the tattoo". Please check if you find the changes suitable. Aditya( talk • contribs) 13:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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I'd just like to comment on this edit by Montana and express my support. This is not a topic that really requires more than clear illustration of what it is. These types of images can easily be construed as personality rights violations, and there's the obvious potential for sexual objectification. The images removed by Montana were of very low quality and it's quite unclear how they actually improved a reader's understanding of the topic. If they are merely decorative, they don't belong in the article.
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It's not clear if the picture of a whale at sea was added as a joke or to illustrate the shape for comparative purposes. If it's the latter, then a better picture is needed. In this one, the tail is dark against a dark background and doesn't stand out clearly. Rodparkes 02:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Cam we please get a less discusting picture......please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.109.80.180 ( talk) 04:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Did anyone else notice that the thong in the picture is misworn, as in her waist is through a leg hole? Just curious. Hooya27 ( talk) 01:52, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
This term is not notable on its own and will likely fail another AfD. It should be merged into Cleavage (anatomy) if this information is to be retained. If there's no opposition, this will be done in 48 hours, otherwise I'll file another AfD. Thanks, Cumulus Clouds ( talk) 20:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Some voyeur sites on the Internet call these "Pull Me Thongs" or PMTs. Is this usage widespread enough to be mentioned in the article? Rodparkes 09:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Urban Dictionary may not be a reliable source but it's obviously better than adding a thousand links to all kinds of retailing sites and porn sites that refer to the term. Please, run a google test before you remove the word. Language develops bottom up, i.e. a coinage starts in the streets, creeping up to quasi-academia (like the Urban Dictionary) and eventually is recognized by the academia (like the ADS). While citing the coinage off the streets would amount to original research, it may very well be cited off sources like the Urban Legend. The coinage is notable, and, at that, should not be removed. If the source looks like unacceptable, replace the source. that obviously requires more initiative than simply pressing the undo button, but, I guess, it's worth it. Aditya( talk • contribs) 05:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I just came to know that Cumulus Clouds has left us to meet the great omniscience in heaven. I feel so bad that the only few exchanges I had with this great editor was not congenial, and we belonged to opposite ends of an opinion spectrum. This is for you CC, no matter what was said and what action was taken, I believed and still do that you're a great editor, and you'll always remain in my memories as so. Thank you for your patience and efforts. I wish I could a fraction of a good editor as you were. Aditya( talk • contribs) 02:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Various users seem intent on adding a link to www.whale-tail.com - is such a link really necesary in the article? Does it provide any useful information, other than access to a gallery of whaletail pictures? -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
www.whale-tail.com was the website that created the term, without it this page would not exist. A history of the term and the creation of the website was listed here http://www.whale-tail.com/index-history.html as well as documentation of the fight for getting www.whaletail.com can be seen here: http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/showthread.php?t=13478 I will try and get Garv over here to discus this as last I heard he's been trying to get it Trade Marked for the past 3 years.
Maybe have a section saying, "The creator started it on October 19th 2003 when he released the website www.whale-tail.com to the world" google listing has "Google began in January 1996, as a research project by Larry Page, who was soon joined by Sergey Brin" so why does a creation by another person in the online community not get credit? Maybe just have a page for Garv as he also created Fripples http://www.fripples.net/
It's redundant not to have it as part of the history! User ¦ Talk 08:51, 11 April 2008 (GMT)
Quoting policy after policy ( Connective trivia, WP:EL, synthesis etc.) and eroding stuff from the article by the people who tried to get it deleted, declaring it would never have any value, and who never contributed a single typed-in character to develop the article - that's what we have here. Please, discuss before you remove, particularly if it's a direct quote with direct relevance from a highly reliable source. Also, use rationality. "Wearing pants below waist and thereby exposing skin or intimate clothing" is indeed a law that concerns whale-tails, unless you are totally bent on lawyering. And, stop removing stuff that contextualize the subject, like the rise of the g-string and low-rise pants, especially when the context has been adequately explained through sourced information. Eroding stuff little by little may eventually get the article minimized to a level when it's ready for another deletion proposal, but that may not be a very desirable situation. Aditya( talk • contribs) 14:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
The woman is obviously wearing a G-string incorrectly. I noticed before I even enlarged it, any woman who wears thongs and the like should be able to tell. One of the thigh bands is passing between her legs; she's wearing it sideways. Maybe I'm a little obsessive for being annoyed by that, but shouldn't there be a better picture? 207.172.186.128 ( talk) 16:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
L0b0t ( talk · contribs) is trying to censor the Image:Whale tail display.jpg. I have added it back. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 02:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
A free image of the person described as the major proponent of popularizing a fashion trend isn't necessarily irrelevant. I have rewritten the caption to make the situation simpler. It would have been lot better if the image showed her flashing a whale tail, but that can't be an absolute necessity (it would have been so for a non-free image alright). I find no problem with pertinence or encyclopedicity in portraying a catalyst of a phenomenon, especially when contextualized and clarified by the accompanying caption, as well as the body of the text (I also intend to add to the cultural depiction stuff already in the caption). May be you'd like to explain your stand with little more clarity instead of simply removing content. I may be completely mistaken here, but so far that isn't looking like the case. Please, help clear the situation. Aditya( talk • contribs) 17:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Ah! You didn't have to post this poem-like thing to respond, and you didn't have to start an alround attack because I wanted to have the matter discussed before actioned. An elegant show of " I don't like it" done in style, with an edit war to go with it, supported by an incivil attitude. Is this how you plan to build an encyclopedia? Aditya( talk • contribs) 05:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The article is well-written and well-referenced. Anyone wish to nominate it for GA? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 08:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
No, the article needs a thorough copy-edit, the first half of the article reads like it was written by someone for whom English is a second language. The title should be changed to reflect the fact that "whale tail" as a fashion term is very recent and that "whale tail" has a much longer pedigree in the automotive, bicycle, and masonry industries. There is too much weight given to the underwear-related use of the term. Also the tone used throughout is inappropriate for an encyclopedia, much of the prose would be better suited in a tabloid or Sunday supplement. This article has a long way to go before GA status is considered. Cheers. L0b0t ( talk) 14:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I have now completed by review, which is below in three parts:
GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I will place this nomination on hold to allow for these changes to be addressed and/or discussed. Any questions or comments can be left here, as I have plced this page on my watchlist. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 05:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I am liking it much better now. Please, let me know what more needs to be done. Aditya( talk • contribs) 04:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
It is looking much better. The only thing remaining is the reference formatting. Because so many of them are not formatted with a template, information is missing. For example, #1 is good, #2 is awkwardly formatted because it isn't using the cite book template, #3 isn't formatted and it is missing a page number, #4 isn't formatted and doesn't have a year of publication or a page number, #5 is good, #6 isn't formatted, #7 isn't formatted, #8 is good, #9 is good, and #10 is missing an access date. I did a quick look through and fixed a few, but there were still quite a few that needed work. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 15:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I finished up the work on the references, so that is all good. The only other thing left is the picture of the whale with the large caption. I was fairly sure that information was moved into the prose of the article. Was it moved back again? GaryColemanFan ( talk) 16:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
That seems fine. With that said, the article is comprehensive, well-written, properly sourced, neutral, stable, and illustrated with appropriate free-use images. It meets all of the GA criteria, so I am promoting it. Congratulations! Thank you for your patience, hard work, and quick responses. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 06:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why some of the refs at the end of the article are appearing in boldface types? I couldn't locate the formatting error. Can someone help identify, or better fix, the problem? Aditya( talk • contribs) 03:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason for the edit war over images? As far as I understand, Wikipedia policies and guidelines have nothing to say against images that are in alignment with article context, especially when it involves free images. Aditya( talk • contribs) 12:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
There are enough images in the article already. The more images you add the more you stymie a legion of users who access the encyclopedia via mobile device or even older computers. The allure of the image is far outweighed by the slowdown of the page load when there are already several images in the article that illustrate the subject quite nicely. Cheers. L0b0t ( talk) 13:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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Copy-pasted from User talk:Aditya Kabir and the deleted stuff from User talk:Darrenhusted
Good rule. Who introduced it, and when? Would you explain, please. Aditya( talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Are meant to illustrate a point, so it is accepted (and I suggest you look as any FA for use of photos) that is two pictures essentially portray the same thing then only one needs to be kept, hence one of those pictures is redundant. By all means put the other picture back in, but you would have to remove the other. Also you are on your third revert on that page so I would step back from it for a while and you may want to read WP:OWN, I understand you have done a lot of work to that page, kudos, but you don't own it and wikipedia policies and guidelines trump everything. I would suggest you give them a quick read, if you were un-aware that articles are not meant to be overload with pictures then it suggests you are not fully versed in the finer points of WP. Darrenhusted ( talk) 16:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't own the article. But, I definitely own the Wikipedia, as much as you do. Trapping into 3RR was good move, and that proves you're pretty well versed in the Wiki-ways. But, where it really says that five images in a pretty long article is overload? Aditya( talk • contribs) 16:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
You weren't trapped in to 3RR, you made three reverts, you could have stopped after the first, or the second however you didn't. The other editor said "superfluous" and "redundant", you reverted saying to build a consensus on the talk page but you didn't make a case for keeping the image. Instead you attacked those who had reverted you and implied a 3RR trap. If you want consensus then you have it, at the moment, 2:1 to keep the image out as it is redundant. The two images show the same thing, so if you want, pick which one is the best, then keep that but there is no point in having two images showing the exact same thing. And on the talk page the other editor did already establish a consensus, in August, when the picture was changed. You stated in November that you wanted to get it up to FA, that's not going to happen with two pictures. You need to show a whale tail (on a whale) a whale tail (on a car) and a whale tail (on a woman). The article has these, duplicate pictures would be the first thing that an FA reviewer would ask to be changed. You got the article to GA, but fighting over something that goes against policy is never going to improve an article. Darrenhusted ( talk) 17:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Which policy exactly was violated? Can you, please, lead me to it? Aditya( talk • contribs) 18:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Undoing unfavorable posts repeatedly ( [6], [7], [8]) didn't get erased from history |
I agree with Aditya, there is not much reason to remove this image. This article is only ~47 KB in size, there are only 6 images, including the lead one, which is not much at all comparatively, and the images are well-spaced throughout the article. "Whale tail" referring to a thong is the main topic of this article and having two images of different types of thongs is not that redundant. Lastly, you are wrong about there not being a lead image when this article was promoted to good article. Click on the link at the top of this talk page, the image was in the now-deleted infobox that was on that page, that's why you can't see it ( File:Whaletail oc.jpg was the image). For all these reasons I'm adding the lead image back in, however, since File:Whale tail, thong.jpg currently has a deletion tag on it I'm going to add back in the image that was there previously. If the other image is not deleted and is actually in the public domain then it can be added back in then if you think it's a better lead image. LonelyMarble ( talk) 06:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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Wow, you need to assume good faith and confine your comments to content, not contributors. My participation on the talk page is evident from my postings to this very talk page. This is merely an editing disagreement, there is no need whatsoever to have such a burr under your blanket. Your accusations are unfounded and I ask that you please retract them. Cheers. L0b0t ( talk) 15:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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Not sure how this passed good article review with the article covering more than one entirely separate topic, but hey. I've split the section on the spoiler out to Spoiler (automotive)#Whale tail, I've added that definition to wikt:whale tail, and I've added the definition of " wikt:whale's tail" for a bifurcation of an artery. I have removed the lengthy caption about the tails of whales (anyone interested in this can visit whale) and I have removed all the other poorly sourced and obscure meanings of "whale tail" as this is an encyclopedia article about the visible underwear, not a dictionary. Fences& Windows 22:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
[Carried over from my talk page]
You restored all the irrelevant material about "Other whale tails", which is disappointing to see. Wikipedia articles are about single topics (in this case a type of visible underwear), not topics that happen to share a name. That is not an article on the phrase "whale tail". Surely you understand this?
I merged the material on the spoiler to Spoiler (automotive)#Whale tail, and added entries to wiktionary:whale tail and wiktionary:whale's tail (where they could be supported). I've restored the material about the car spoiler to the Spoiler (automotive) article - please don't revert. Removing it from that article and adding it back to an article on visible underwear was a poor editing decision, because the content is about spoilers, not visible underwear. The cobbled together section remaining on various obscure uses of the term "whale tail" that uses some fairly unreliable sources definitely detracts from this article, and I don't see why you're defending its inclusion. Fences& Windows 15:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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I moved unrelated material to Whale tail (disambiguation), and some of it was deleted because whale tail was not mentioned in the linked article [15]. Please note that the Word of the Year title was given to the fashion meaning, and only cetaceans are related to it, not spoilers or arteries. Turesable ( talk) 01:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
While exposure of the waistband is a whale tail, it is never the case that the exposure needs to be full. In fact, most of the cases of whale tails noted by media and academia did not represent full exposure. Therefore, changing the lead image to signify that would be putting a wrong implication forward. Aditya( talk • contribs) 12:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
First of all, I never made a statement that something which looks like a triangle can be correctly defined as a "whale tail". I don't understand why I need to validate that. And, I am not advocating anything. Where did you find that idea? And, I never said the other image is not a whale tail. Where did that supposition come from? And, why are you challenging my agreement with you about the slight possibility that it may not be a thong? I thought reaching an agreement is a good thing.
Anyways, I hope we can close this now. I have made some changes to the article, though the sample images are no definitive validation. I have moved the the image you put in the lead back to the lead, though the sample images showing in the linked pages are no definitive validation. I also have kept the other image on the basis of your statement - "I have nothing against use of the second image including the tattoo". Please check if you find the changes suitable. Aditya( talk • contribs) 13:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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I'd just like to comment on this edit by Montana and express my support. This is not a topic that really requires more than clear illustration of what it is. These types of images can easily be construed as personality rights violations, and there's the obvious potential for sexual objectification. The images removed by Montana were of very low quality and it's quite unclear how they actually improved a reader's understanding of the topic. If they are merely decorative, they don't belong in the article.
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As the lede image has been recently changed from a full whale-tail to a delta (ie just a triangle of underwear) and back again, in the spirit of BRD, I'll discuss my reasons for keeping the original whale-tail image:
Let's clarify that I'm not insisting on that particular image being kept, and would be amenable to a change - so long as that change personified the whale-tail, and the "Y-shaped waistband".
I invite the IP editor (and anybody else, of course) to comment here rather than to blindly revert - especially reverting without using edit summaries. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 10:16, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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