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The image of the obesity graph has no year and no source. Yet it is pretty and believable, but not giving a full and accurate picture. And stats change. How will we know when this was valid? Upload date is no proof of creation date or year Kristinwt ( talk) 04:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC) ....reply: the chart is inaccurate. mexico is the most obese country now — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:302:D173:BAA0:C992:A393:7B12:1F29 ( talk) 00:26, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I have proposed this merge based on the similar content of the two articles. The scope of each article is the same. Standard American Diet is a weak article, but contains information that could benefit and expand The Western Pattern Diet article significantly. These two weak articles should be made into one strong article. Since Western Standard diet is the term used in medical texts, and is less America-centric, it should be the merge-to article. F-451 ( talk) 02:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that the standard American diet should be a SECTION of the western pattern diet (South America doesn't eat like North America) perhaps we should also move western pattern diet to North American pattern diet or something... Wubrgamer ( talk) 16:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The name "Western pattern diet" makes it appear as though a fast-food diet is the Western diet, which it patently is not. The term has a very neutral, scientific connotation, but the content of the article itself is strongly negative. It is especially disappointing to see the article linked from Fast food restaurant as "Western-style diet," further promoting this misconception. I propose changing the name of this article, removing it entirely, or combining it with the much better European cuisine. At the very least, a search for "Western diet" should not redirect to this page, but rather to European cuisine. aristotle1990 ( talk) 19:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing a merge with European cuisine. This article would be a section of that page under the name "fast food diet" (such a diet did, after all, originate in the West). All pages that now link to this one would link to that proposed section. A search for "Western diet" would link to the main European cuisine page, not to the fast food section. Again, I would not be averse to simply changing the name of this article. aristotle1990 ( talk) 21:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I reverted this change: [1], but I admit I haven't taken the time to check how valid it is. Only it seems to mess up referenced statements. — Pengo 16:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
As a modest but regular contributor to Wiki, I am very troubled that several paragraphs added by me yesterday were reverted (also yesterday). Would the person responsible care to clarify why? The material simply emphasized that the standard American diet is a radical departure from our evolutionary pathway diet (in virtually any dietary dimension that one might chose to examine, not simply calories), with a strong likelihood that this is a major factor in the genesis of diseases of aging. In case someone questions my credentials, I teach this material at two medical schools, have a PhD and am not shooting from the hip. Please explain your deletion. Dr Douglas Watt, Harvard Medical School —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.128.8 ( talk) 14:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Well Peter, since you reverted the contribution in literally a matter of a few hours, there actually wasn't time to add any references, which was my intent. Further, I am not really convinced Peter that you are qualified (as a computer programmer!) to offer a professional opinion on research into the effects of the standard American diet, which actually is an area of expertize for me. While responding dismissively to a brief summary of the differences between modern and ancient diets as showing a "non-neutral point of view" you use acronyms such as "SAD" and "CRAPS" in your "neutral" and encyclopedic review of the subject? Really!?! That hardly seems to meet even a loose standard for neutrality. I would ask that you return the material you deleted, allow me the courtesy of a reasonable time period to finish referencing, and we'll call it even. If you don't, I may pursue a formal complaint against you. Your response here suggests that you see yourself as acting as senior editor and authority in a subject in which you clearly have no formal credentials. That's troubling in all honesty Peter, and the somewhat patronizing tone frankly doesn't help your case. 207.180.128.8 ( talk) 00:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Dr Watt, Cambridge City Hospital —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.128.8 ( talk) 00:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
What is this prudent diet talked about in the article? There is no clear definition. Is it referring to the American Heart Association's prudent diet? The one that failed miserably against the higher in fat Mediterranean diet? Lambanog ( talk) 06:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I just want to say something what has been described in thsi wikipedia article is NOT THE WESTERN DIET.The Western Diet is based on natural non- processed,non-modified foods,like fish,vegetible,fruits etc, What this article is showing the the modern Industrial Diet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.110.116 ( talk) 18:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I propose this article be changed to THE INDUSTRIAL DIET i'll tell you why:
I hope I have given good reasons to change this artilce form the Western pattern diet to the Industrial Pattern diet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.110.116 ( talk) 18:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article include anecdote from vegan doctors about animal fat, animal protein and vegan diets? This doesn't belong here. The references cited do not support the claims and include mostly anecdote (including a book written by a layperson). The studies they cite are small, cherry picked and certainly do not support the claims. Also, there are many studies of a higher methodological quality that say otherwise. There is a discussion about this here: http://authoritynutrition.com/wikipedia-tainted-with-vegan-propaganda/
There are several pages that include these same vegan messages. It looks like someone just went all over a bunch of nutrition pages and copy-pasted the same claims, with the same references. This looks like propaganda written to promote the vegan message, definitely not scientific or objective. It certainly doesn't belong on this page, so I'm removing it. Krassssi ( talk) 11:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
The Western diet has positive impacts on health which are not mentioned here at all. Increased height, muscle mass, bone health, lifespan, among other things. The positive influences need to be mentioned.
There are several other health concerns not addressed here, such as higher risks of asthma attacks, decreased fertility neurological dysfunction and oral cancer. Sherry72 ( talk) 00:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Just a heads-up that as part of an editathon I'm leading on June 17, new editors might be making some edits to this article. I'll be following up shortly afterwards to check for copyright compliance and other quality issues and will clean up stuff if needed. Cheers, Clayoquot ( talk | contribs) 23:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
The Calorie correctly called kilocalorie is mostly used in the U.S. this article does not appear to have any kilojoule units which are used for the remainder of the planet. Avi8tor ( talk) 07:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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The image of the obesity graph has no year and no source. Yet it is pretty and believable, but not giving a full and accurate picture. And stats change. How will we know when this was valid? Upload date is no proof of creation date or year Kristinwt ( talk) 04:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC) ....reply: the chart is inaccurate. mexico is the most obese country now — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:302:D173:BAA0:C992:A393:7B12:1F29 ( talk) 00:26, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I have proposed this merge based on the similar content of the two articles. The scope of each article is the same. Standard American Diet is a weak article, but contains information that could benefit and expand The Western Pattern Diet article significantly. These two weak articles should be made into one strong article. Since Western Standard diet is the term used in medical texts, and is less America-centric, it should be the merge-to article. F-451 ( talk) 02:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that the standard American diet should be a SECTION of the western pattern diet (South America doesn't eat like North America) perhaps we should also move western pattern diet to North American pattern diet or something... Wubrgamer ( talk) 16:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The name "Western pattern diet" makes it appear as though a fast-food diet is the Western diet, which it patently is not. The term has a very neutral, scientific connotation, but the content of the article itself is strongly negative. It is especially disappointing to see the article linked from Fast food restaurant as "Western-style diet," further promoting this misconception. I propose changing the name of this article, removing it entirely, or combining it with the much better European cuisine. At the very least, a search for "Western diet" should not redirect to this page, but rather to European cuisine. aristotle1990 ( talk) 19:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing a merge with European cuisine. This article would be a section of that page under the name "fast food diet" (such a diet did, after all, originate in the West). All pages that now link to this one would link to that proposed section. A search for "Western diet" would link to the main European cuisine page, not to the fast food section. Again, I would not be averse to simply changing the name of this article. aristotle1990 ( talk) 21:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I reverted this change: [1], but I admit I haven't taken the time to check how valid it is. Only it seems to mess up referenced statements. — Pengo 16:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
As a modest but regular contributor to Wiki, I am very troubled that several paragraphs added by me yesterday were reverted (also yesterday). Would the person responsible care to clarify why? The material simply emphasized that the standard American diet is a radical departure from our evolutionary pathway diet (in virtually any dietary dimension that one might chose to examine, not simply calories), with a strong likelihood that this is a major factor in the genesis of diseases of aging. In case someone questions my credentials, I teach this material at two medical schools, have a PhD and am not shooting from the hip. Please explain your deletion. Dr Douglas Watt, Harvard Medical School —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.128.8 ( talk) 14:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Well Peter, since you reverted the contribution in literally a matter of a few hours, there actually wasn't time to add any references, which was my intent. Further, I am not really convinced Peter that you are qualified (as a computer programmer!) to offer a professional opinion on research into the effects of the standard American diet, which actually is an area of expertize for me. While responding dismissively to a brief summary of the differences between modern and ancient diets as showing a "non-neutral point of view" you use acronyms such as "SAD" and "CRAPS" in your "neutral" and encyclopedic review of the subject? Really!?! That hardly seems to meet even a loose standard for neutrality. I would ask that you return the material you deleted, allow me the courtesy of a reasonable time period to finish referencing, and we'll call it even. If you don't, I may pursue a formal complaint against you. Your response here suggests that you see yourself as acting as senior editor and authority in a subject in which you clearly have no formal credentials. That's troubling in all honesty Peter, and the somewhat patronizing tone frankly doesn't help your case. 207.180.128.8 ( talk) 00:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Dr Watt, Cambridge City Hospital —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.128.8 ( talk) 00:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
What is this prudent diet talked about in the article? There is no clear definition. Is it referring to the American Heart Association's prudent diet? The one that failed miserably against the higher in fat Mediterranean diet? Lambanog ( talk) 06:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I just want to say something what has been described in thsi wikipedia article is NOT THE WESTERN DIET.The Western Diet is based on natural non- processed,non-modified foods,like fish,vegetible,fruits etc, What this article is showing the the modern Industrial Diet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.110.116 ( talk) 18:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I propose this article be changed to THE INDUSTRIAL DIET i'll tell you why:
I hope I have given good reasons to change this artilce form the Western pattern diet to the Industrial Pattern diet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.110.116 ( talk) 18:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article include anecdote from vegan doctors about animal fat, animal protein and vegan diets? This doesn't belong here. The references cited do not support the claims and include mostly anecdote (including a book written by a layperson). The studies they cite are small, cherry picked and certainly do not support the claims. Also, there are many studies of a higher methodological quality that say otherwise. There is a discussion about this here: http://authoritynutrition.com/wikipedia-tainted-with-vegan-propaganda/
There are several pages that include these same vegan messages. It looks like someone just went all over a bunch of nutrition pages and copy-pasted the same claims, with the same references. This looks like propaganda written to promote the vegan message, definitely not scientific or objective. It certainly doesn't belong on this page, so I'm removing it. Krassssi ( talk) 11:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
The Western diet has positive impacts on health which are not mentioned here at all. Increased height, muscle mass, bone health, lifespan, among other things. The positive influences need to be mentioned.
There are several other health concerns not addressed here, such as higher risks of asthma attacks, decreased fertility neurological dysfunction and oral cancer. Sherry72 ( talk) 00:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Just a heads-up that as part of an editathon I'm leading on June 17, new editors might be making some edits to this article. I'll be following up shortly afterwards to check for copyright compliance and other quality issues and will clean up stuff if needed. Cheers, Clayoquot ( talk | contribs) 23:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
The Calorie correctly called kilocalorie is mostly used in the U.S. this article does not appear to have any kilojoule units which are used for the remainder of the planet. Avi8tor ( talk) 07:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)