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Merge with Onogurs?-- Joostik ( talk) 18:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
which would suggest that these tribes weren't the Onogurs, but invaders who conquered them. What a mess. — LlywelynII 07:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)In his History of the World, Theophylact Simocatta noted that the Göktürks "enslaved the Ohgur tribe, which was one of the most powerful...and was accomplished in the art of war."
Merge from Utigurs? Same as above. Utigur is apparently one source's name for the Onogurs, so that article should come over here as well, unless for some reason it is the English commonname for these guys. — LlywelynII 06:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Object Utigur were established under Sandilh in Maeotia under the authority of the Onogur polity of the Western Turkic Khaghanate but since it developed into the Utigur state of Old Great Bulgary it seems that they were independent enough from the Onogurs to not be considered as one in the same. Utigur could however be merged into a section on Onogur page. Kaz 10:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
This article should be merged into Oghuz Turks as it seems to cover a fraction of the same history that is already present in Wikipedia. One reason for distance is conflicting terminology. Even if merger is rejected, the terminology certainly needs to be cleaned up and be consistent. The reason for previous merge suggestions came up is because much of the information is poorly distributed among a number of overlapping, disorganized articles. Major clean up of the whole project is required. Alex.deWitte ( talk) 23:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
According to Denis Sinor, the view that the Battle of Talas ended China's Central Asian presence is incorrect, it was after the battle that China shot itself in the foot by interfering with the Turkic Khaganate's affairs and ended China and their Turkic allies presence in the region.
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cambridge_History_of_Early_Inner_Asi.html?id=ST6TRNuWmHsC
Rajmaan ( talk) 03:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I've found this 2019 Hayrettin Erkoç's article, which I deem useful in Wiki articles about Turkic peoples & Turcology. Can somebody fluent in Turkish incorporate info from it into relevant wikipedia's Turcological articles? Erminwin ( talk) 02:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Should these be at Wikisource? I think they are important and also rather long and excessively detailed for Wikipedia. Elinruby ( talk) 04:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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Merge with Onogurs?-- Joostik ( talk) 18:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
which would suggest that these tribes weren't the Onogurs, but invaders who conquered them. What a mess. — LlywelynII 07:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)In his History of the World, Theophylact Simocatta noted that the Göktürks "enslaved the Ohgur tribe, which was one of the most powerful...and was accomplished in the art of war."
Merge from Utigurs? Same as above. Utigur is apparently one source's name for the Onogurs, so that article should come over here as well, unless for some reason it is the English commonname for these guys. — LlywelynII 06:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Object Utigur were established under Sandilh in Maeotia under the authority of the Onogur polity of the Western Turkic Khaghanate but since it developed into the Utigur state of Old Great Bulgary it seems that they were independent enough from the Onogurs to not be considered as one in the same. Utigur could however be merged into a section on Onogur page. Kaz 10:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
This article should be merged into Oghuz Turks as it seems to cover a fraction of the same history that is already present in Wikipedia. One reason for distance is conflicting terminology. Even if merger is rejected, the terminology certainly needs to be cleaned up and be consistent. The reason for previous merge suggestions came up is because much of the information is poorly distributed among a number of overlapping, disorganized articles. Major clean up of the whole project is required. Alex.deWitte ( talk) 23:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
According to Denis Sinor, the view that the Battle of Talas ended China's Central Asian presence is incorrect, it was after the battle that China shot itself in the foot by interfering with the Turkic Khaganate's affairs and ended China and their Turkic allies presence in the region.
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cambridge_History_of_Early_Inner_Asi.html?id=ST6TRNuWmHsC
Rajmaan ( talk) 03:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I've found this 2019 Hayrettin Erkoç's article, which I deem useful in Wiki articles about Turkic peoples & Turcology. Can somebody fluent in Turkish incorporate info from it into relevant wikipedia's Turcological articles? Erminwin ( talk) 02:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Should these be at Wikisource? I think they are important and also rather long and excessively detailed for Wikipedia. Elinruby ( talk) 04:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)