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If this is true, why are incest fantasies so common, if online porn stories are any indication? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.215.216 ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 7 November 2002 (UTC)
I read once that non-sibbling children who grew up together in kibbutzes very rarely became partners as adults. no idea about what the actual stats are. -- Tarquin 00:05 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)
The Westermarck Effect has lately been abused to actually try to *proove* that incest is impossible by teenagers discussing "Twilight", this article serving as part of the knowledge base. Insofar it should be tempered with the fact that there is a not insubstantial amount of incest going on in just about any culture, that Westermarck recorded quite obviously *only* marriages and not the occurrences of sexual relationships and that few to none of the questioned people would openly or even anonymously admit to incest.
A midrash about he book of Genesis has a matron questioning a rabbi about the creation of Eve.
why in secret?’ she pursued. ‘At first He created her for him and he saw her full of discharge and blood; thereupon He removed her from him and created her a second time.’ ‘I can corroborate your words,’ she observed. ‘It had been arranged that I should be married to my mother’s brother, but because I was brought up with him in the same home I became plain in his eyes and he went and married another woman, who was not as beautiful as I.’
Does this count as a proto-example? Omeganian ( talk) 16:08, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
There's no contradiction between people being naturally predisposed not to marry people they grew up with as siblings and people being naturally predisposed to be attracted to people who look like their fathers. In fact, if people are naturally attracted to people who look like their parents, then the incest-avoidance findings are even more dramatic. Bering's work suggests that incest-avoidance reverse-imprints on individuals, not on the class of people who look a certain way. Jonathan Tweet ( talk) 20:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
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Edvard Westermarck never married, and his homosexual orientation was well known in London. In some of his works, he argued for homosexuality as a natural sexual tendency. Therefore, the Westermarck effect can be considered as confirmation bias.
Firstly, who considers it to be that, exactly? Has this objection been raised by other scholars, or is this just something a random Wikipedia editor figured? Secondly, I have to say it doesn't actually make any sense to me, what does one have to do with the other? How would that bias him towards believing in an incest aversion instinct? The only thing I can think of is that this person might have meant to say "postulating natural tendencies is his answer to everything", but given that homosexuality is a natural sexual tendency, this seems like an incredibly dated objection. Less generously, it reads like a homophobic ad hominem. I'm just going to take it out again. – Fyrius ( talk) 18:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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If this is true, why are incest fantasies so common, if online porn stories are any indication? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.215.216 ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 7 November 2002 (UTC)
I read once that non-sibbling children who grew up together in kibbutzes very rarely became partners as adults. no idea about what the actual stats are. -- Tarquin 00:05 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)
The Westermarck Effect has lately been abused to actually try to *proove* that incest is impossible by teenagers discussing "Twilight", this article serving as part of the knowledge base. Insofar it should be tempered with the fact that there is a not insubstantial amount of incest going on in just about any culture, that Westermarck recorded quite obviously *only* marriages and not the occurrences of sexual relationships and that few to none of the questioned people would openly or even anonymously admit to incest.
A midrash about he book of Genesis has a matron questioning a rabbi about the creation of Eve.
why in secret?’ she pursued. ‘At first He created her for him and he saw her full of discharge and blood; thereupon He removed her from him and created her a second time.’ ‘I can corroborate your words,’ she observed. ‘It had been arranged that I should be married to my mother’s brother, but because I was brought up with him in the same home I became plain in his eyes and he went and married another woman, who was not as beautiful as I.’
Does this count as a proto-example? Omeganian ( talk) 16:08, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
There's no contradiction between people being naturally predisposed not to marry people they grew up with as siblings and people being naturally predisposed to be attracted to people who look like their fathers. In fact, if people are naturally attracted to people who look like their parents, then the incest-avoidance findings are even more dramatic. Bering's work suggests that incest-avoidance reverse-imprints on individuals, not on the class of people who look a certain way. Jonathan Tweet ( talk) 20:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
This line was recently added to the 'Criticism' section:
Edvard Westermarck never married, and his homosexual orientation was well known in London. In some of his works, he argued for homosexuality as a natural sexual tendency. Therefore, the Westermarck effect can be considered as confirmation bias.
Firstly, who considers it to be that, exactly? Has this objection been raised by other scholars, or is this just something a random Wikipedia editor figured? Secondly, I have to say it doesn't actually make any sense to me, what does one have to do with the other? How would that bias him towards believing in an incest aversion instinct? The only thing I can think of is that this person might have meant to say "postulating natural tendencies is his answer to everything", but given that homosexuality is a natural sexual tendency, this seems like an incredibly dated objection. Less generously, it reads like a homophobic ad hominem. I'm just going to take it out again. – Fyrius ( talk) 18:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)