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This article should be divided into sections. [[User:Colipon| Colipon+( T)]] 17:55, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know the exact birthdate of Premier Wen?
I will delete the literal meaning warm family jewels because it does not make any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.17.204.95 ( talk) 09:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Surprisingly little about his early life, and Cultural Revolution experience at Beijing Geological Institute. DOR (HK) ( talk) 02:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't that kind of have a negative connotation to it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.42.141 ( talk) 00:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
How do you figure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.94.6.36 ( talk) 21:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
To be translated: 温家宝总理的诗作《仰望星空》:
我仰望星空,
它是那样寥廓而深邃;
那无穷的真理,
让我苦苦地求索、追随。
我仰望星空,
它是那样庄严而圣洁;
那凛然的正义,
让我充满热爱、感到敬畏。 Arilang talk 04:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
我仰望星空,
它是那样自由而宁静;
那博大的胸怀,
让我的心灵栖息、依偎。
我仰望星空,
它是那样壮丽而光辉;
那永恒的炽热,
让我心中燃起希望的烈焰、响起春雷。
In this section it says: "The young man then threw his shoe at Jiabao, missing the premier by a few feet." Shouldn't this refer to him as "Wen," being that it is his family name? I believe it is considered fairly rude to call a person by their given name in China unless you know them very well. 71.237.203.127 ( talk) 22:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to go into so much detail and analysis of the shoe throwing incident? Is it even that notable? Unlike the incident with George W. Bush, the good-for-nothing hopeless guy missed by at least 30 metres (learn to throw... G. Bush actually had to duck for cover), and unlike the Bush incident, there was no cultural implications. In Chinese culture, no one gives a damn about how rude shoes are percieved. For the Bush incident, the shoe was thrown as it was a sign of disrespect according to Islamic culture; the shoe thrown here was from an entirely unoriginal copycat Caucasian. I just do not understand what all the rage is about. </rant> -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 08:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
The page described Wen Jiabao as "chief assistant to General Secretary Zhao Ziyang" and also described Zhao Ziyang as "his boss". I've deleted these descriptions. While I'm aware that there are numerous Western media reports which describe Wen as an "aide" or "assistant" to Zhao Ziyang, these descriptions seem to be imprecise at best. The appointment which Wen held at that time was Director of the General Office of the CPC Central Committee [1]. Wen may have been sympathetic to Zhao or even a follower of Zhao but to describe Wen as "chief assistant" to Zhao is incorrect.
In the Introduction to the Tiananmen Papers, Andrew Nathan has the following description "Wen Jiabao, a follower of Zhao Ziyang, who was director of the Central Party Office and was in charge of handling paperwork for the Politburo and the Central Committee" . The Tiananmen Papers (Chapter 7, Footnote 11) also lists 5 secretaries (Bao Tong, Bai Meiqing, Zhang Yueqi, Li Shuqiao, Li Yong) whom Zhao had at the time of the Tiananmen incident, none of whom are Wen Jiabao.
The Chinese wikipedia page for Wen also (correctly I believe) states that "Wen Jiabao, in his capacity as Director of the Central Party Office, accompanied Zhao Ziyang to Tiananmen Square ... "
Funkydoodle ( talk) 01:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
This article shows strong signs of biased editing by the Chinese government. It has no criticism section, which is extremely odd for a controversial leader, and the article goes as far as to describe Wen as "populist"--a ridiculous term to apply to a leader who was not democratically elected. Focussing primarily on lauding his leadership skills, it says very little about his political positions.
Most disturbingly, this article is chock full of signs that it was written by non-native speakers. Smothered in passive voice, hanging clauses, and odd phrasing, virtually every sentence reads like a textbook example of poor usage or bad writing. It would take too long to list all of the problems with the writing, so let me just analyze a sentence picked at random from the beginning of the article: "A postgraduate and engineer, Wen graduated in the major of geological structure at Beijing Institute of Geology." To begin with, the word "postgraduate" is awkward and rarely used in English and laughably redundant in this particular context. The phrase "graduated in the major of," while technically grammatical, is not really English; it should be "majored in." The English phrase for the discipline is "structural geology," not "geological structure." And it should be "at the Beijing Institute of Geology," not "at Beijing Institute of Geology."
The exceptionally poor English makes this article hopelessly difficult to read, and the obvious positive bias makes the context extremely suspect at best. Rppeabody ( talk) 01:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I think the Facebook paragraph is being given undue weight and should be cut down to a single sentence. The shoeing incident, in retrospect, is also not terribly important in the grand scheme of things. The criticisms of Wen most certainly should be meshed into the section on Wen's public image, drawing on best practices from pages like Hillary Clinton. Colipon+( Talk) 03:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
[2] For future reference, or anyone interested. (Article in Chinese). Colipon+( Talk) 03:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
As a close follower of developments in modern Chinese politics, I can find three broad categories of criticism for Wen Jiabao:
Of these criticisms, the first category is perhaps the most prominent and most easily sourced. Overseas Chinese websites are often flooded with such anti-Wen commentary, and this is probably notable enough to warrant inclusion (and I have included it in the "public image" section). The second category is more difficult to integrate into the article, given strict guidelines of the BLP policy, coupled with a general lack of transparency in the Chinese government. Only very reliable sources can be used for this. The third category is rather esoteric and can be sourced to some policy think tanks and Chinese economists; it will take a bit of digging.
Other criticisms exist as well, of course. I'm sure Falun Gong will find some way to pick a bone with Wen. These criticisms, in my view, do not warrant inclusion. Colipon+( Talk) 03:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The victims of one of the most publicized human rights disasters in recent history commenting on those responsible for their plight "not warrant inclusion"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.149.71 ( talk) 07:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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According to Chinese official sites, Wen Jiabao was born in 1942, not in 1945. 83.80.18.68 ( talk) 08:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
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18:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)The obama page lists obamas net worth why not list this for wen? New York times says $2.7 billion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.178.151 ( talk) 09:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
72.53.146.220 ( talk) 01:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
The recent controversy over his potential wealth and associated censorship should be included in a specific sub-topic in this article. A link to the NYT article and any other relevant articles regarding the subsequent and rapid censorship is also required. It's current exclusion makes this article seem biased and lacking rigour given the depth that any wiki for a western politician with similar alleged concealed wealth would incorporate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.217.144 ( talk) 12:24, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Back to the original question, "The obama page lists obamas net worth why not list this for wen? New York times says $2.7 billion" - That 2.7 billion figure refers to the family of Wen, and is not his personal net worth. We do not know Wen's actual personal net worth. We can't list his net worth as 2.7 billion, because that would be incorrect. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 16:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I've been following this story fairly closely over the last few days, and it seems to me that it is no longer just any ordinary New York Times article - the article and its related events have become something of a political 'incident' that requires somewhat more detailed elaboration here on Wiki. For example, a blog on the Council of Foreign Relations says that the incident irreversibly tarnished Wen's reputation, delivered a major "political coup" for reformers, and exposes weaknesses in China's political model, so on and so forth. It all makes for very interesting reading.
Namely, I think we need to include on this page:
Colipon+( Talk) 20:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Can someone add Wen's calls for probe and Sunshine legislation?
-- LLTimes ( talk) 02:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Wen Jiabao/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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This article should be divided into sections. [[User:Colipon| Colipon+( T)]] 17:55, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know the exact birthdate of Premier Wen?
I will delete the literal meaning warm family jewels because it does not make any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.17.204.95 ( talk) 09:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Surprisingly little about his early life, and Cultural Revolution experience at Beijing Geological Institute. DOR (HK) ( talk) 02:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't that kind of have a negative connotation to it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.42.141 ( talk) 00:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
How do you figure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.94.6.36 ( talk) 21:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
To be translated: 温家宝总理的诗作《仰望星空》:
我仰望星空,
它是那样寥廓而深邃;
那无穷的真理,
让我苦苦地求索、追随。
我仰望星空,
它是那样庄严而圣洁;
那凛然的正义,
让我充满热爱、感到敬畏。 Arilang talk 04:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
我仰望星空,
它是那样自由而宁静;
那博大的胸怀,
让我的心灵栖息、依偎。
我仰望星空,
它是那样壮丽而光辉;
那永恒的炽热,
让我心中燃起希望的烈焰、响起春雷。
In this section it says: "The young man then threw his shoe at Jiabao, missing the premier by a few feet." Shouldn't this refer to him as "Wen," being that it is his family name? I believe it is considered fairly rude to call a person by their given name in China unless you know them very well. 71.237.203.127 ( talk) 22:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to go into so much detail and analysis of the shoe throwing incident? Is it even that notable? Unlike the incident with George W. Bush, the good-for-nothing hopeless guy missed by at least 30 metres (learn to throw... G. Bush actually had to duck for cover), and unlike the Bush incident, there was no cultural implications. In Chinese culture, no one gives a damn about how rude shoes are percieved. For the Bush incident, the shoe was thrown as it was a sign of disrespect according to Islamic culture; the shoe thrown here was from an entirely unoriginal copycat Caucasian. I just do not understand what all the rage is about. </rant> -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 08:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
The page described Wen Jiabao as "chief assistant to General Secretary Zhao Ziyang" and also described Zhao Ziyang as "his boss". I've deleted these descriptions. While I'm aware that there are numerous Western media reports which describe Wen as an "aide" or "assistant" to Zhao Ziyang, these descriptions seem to be imprecise at best. The appointment which Wen held at that time was Director of the General Office of the CPC Central Committee [1]. Wen may have been sympathetic to Zhao or even a follower of Zhao but to describe Wen as "chief assistant" to Zhao is incorrect.
In the Introduction to the Tiananmen Papers, Andrew Nathan has the following description "Wen Jiabao, a follower of Zhao Ziyang, who was director of the Central Party Office and was in charge of handling paperwork for the Politburo and the Central Committee" . The Tiananmen Papers (Chapter 7, Footnote 11) also lists 5 secretaries (Bao Tong, Bai Meiqing, Zhang Yueqi, Li Shuqiao, Li Yong) whom Zhao had at the time of the Tiananmen incident, none of whom are Wen Jiabao.
The Chinese wikipedia page for Wen also (correctly I believe) states that "Wen Jiabao, in his capacity as Director of the Central Party Office, accompanied Zhao Ziyang to Tiananmen Square ... "
Funkydoodle ( talk) 01:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
This article shows strong signs of biased editing by the Chinese government. It has no criticism section, which is extremely odd for a controversial leader, and the article goes as far as to describe Wen as "populist"--a ridiculous term to apply to a leader who was not democratically elected. Focussing primarily on lauding his leadership skills, it says very little about his political positions.
Most disturbingly, this article is chock full of signs that it was written by non-native speakers. Smothered in passive voice, hanging clauses, and odd phrasing, virtually every sentence reads like a textbook example of poor usage or bad writing. It would take too long to list all of the problems with the writing, so let me just analyze a sentence picked at random from the beginning of the article: "A postgraduate and engineer, Wen graduated in the major of geological structure at Beijing Institute of Geology." To begin with, the word "postgraduate" is awkward and rarely used in English and laughably redundant in this particular context. The phrase "graduated in the major of," while technically grammatical, is not really English; it should be "majored in." The English phrase for the discipline is "structural geology," not "geological structure." And it should be "at the Beijing Institute of Geology," not "at Beijing Institute of Geology."
The exceptionally poor English makes this article hopelessly difficult to read, and the obvious positive bias makes the context extremely suspect at best. Rppeabody ( talk) 01:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I think the Facebook paragraph is being given undue weight and should be cut down to a single sentence. The shoeing incident, in retrospect, is also not terribly important in the grand scheme of things. The criticisms of Wen most certainly should be meshed into the section on Wen's public image, drawing on best practices from pages like Hillary Clinton. Colipon+( Talk) 03:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
[2] For future reference, or anyone interested. (Article in Chinese). Colipon+( Talk) 03:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
As a close follower of developments in modern Chinese politics, I can find three broad categories of criticism for Wen Jiabao:
Of these criticisms, the first category is perhaps the most prominent and most easily sourced. Overseas Chinese websites are often flooded with such anti-Wen commentary, and this is probably notable enough to warrant inclusion (and I have included it in the "public image" section). The second category is more difficult to integrate into the article, given strict guidelines of the BLP policy, coupled with a general lack of transparency in the Chinese government. Only very reliable sources can be used for this. The third category is rather esoteric and can be sourced to some policy think tanks and Chinese economists; it will take a bit of digging.
Other criticisms exist as well, of course. I'm sure Falun Gong will find some way to pick a bone with Wen. These criticisms, in my view, do not warrant inclusion. Colipon+( Talk) 03:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The victims of one of the most publicized human rights disasters in recent history commenting on those responsible for their plight "not warrant inclusion"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.149.71 ( talk) 07:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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18:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)The obama page lists obamas net worth why not list this for wen? New York times says $2.7 billion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.178.151 ( talk) 09:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
72.53.146.220 ( talk) 01:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
The recent controversy over his potential wealth and associated censorship should be included in a specific sub-topic in this article. A link to the NYT article and any other relevant articles regarding the subsequent and rapid censorship is also required. It's current exclusion makes this article seem biased and lacking rigour given the depth that any wiki for a western politician with similar alleged concealed wealth would incorporate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.217.144 ( talk) 12:24, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Back to the original question, "The obama page lists obamas net worth why not list this for wen? New York times says $2.7 billion" - That 2.7 billion figure refers to the family of Wen, and is not his personal net worth. We do not know Wen's actual personal net worth. We can't list his net worth as 2.7 billion, because that would be incorrect. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 16:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I've been following this story fairly closely over the last few days, and it seems to me that it is no longer just any ordinary New York Times article - the article and its related events have become something of a political 'incident' that requires somewhat more detailed elaboration here on Wiki. For example, a blog on the Council of Foreign Relations says that the incident irreversibly tarnished Wen's reputation, delivered a major "political coup" for reformers, and exposes weaknesses in China's political model, so on and so forth. It all makes for very interesting reading.
Namely, I think we need to include on this page:
Colipon+( Talk) 20:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Can someone add Wen's calls for probe and Sunshine legislation?
-- LLTimes ( talk) 02:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Wen Jiabao/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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