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Feb 10, I removed the section about the FCC dispute with the United Egg Producers because I thought it was written in such a way as to imply the Better Business Bureau and the FCC had a dispute with Wegmans. From my reading it appears that Wegmans was using an industry-approved logo. The BBB and FCC had a dispute with the egg industry people, arguing that the logo was misleading, and resulting in the logo being discontinued. Wegmans then promptly removed the logo. Wegmans was not involved in the dispute, except as one of many hundreds of egg producers across the country. Wegmans was not targeted by the FCC or BBB over the logo. Therefore in my opinion linking Wegmans to the dispute creates a false impression of wrongdoing.
Now, I'm a newbie and this is just my opinion. I didn't even really delete the text, just commented it out, and I'm not going to get involved in a revert war after things have obviously calmed down a bit. I just honestly think the part about the egg logo creates a misleading impression. Thatcher131 20:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Second, if it is true that CC is alleging only ethical wrongs, then you have just about talked yourself right out of including any mention of the egg issue at all. If the vegans protested meat and dairy and the United Farm Workers protested at harvest time and some feminists protested the SI Swimsuit issue, does that all go into the company's encyclopedia article, just because they have different views of ethics? Thatcher131 03:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I am now 49.9% convinced the egg business doesn't belong in there at all, other than out of respect for the previous edit process. Thatcher131 03:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I am considering a revision to the egg section. It is in draft form on my Talk page. I do think that the egg issue is more relevant to Wegmans because they own the farm but I remain concerned about blaming them specifically for the Animal Care Certified label. By rewriting the opening paragraph, we get that in as the issue that sparked it all without having to get into a separate discussion of exactly what the label means. I left in the quote from the newspaper becuase it did come from the newspaper article. On the defense side, I think it is fair to point out that Wegmans says it believes that not all the footage is from their farm. I'm a little puzzled by that, although it could be that some close-ups don't provide enough context to show where they were filmed, and Wegmans could be honestly doubtful. In any case, I say "Wegmans says they believe' which is true from the press release. I considered also adding Wegman's statement that they will consult with Dr. Joy Mench, who was cited favorably in the Humane Society's letter to Wegmans. However WP is not a crystal ball and neither am I so in all fairness I have no idea if they followed through on it.
Regarding the UEP I included it as a separate paragraph, noting that the dispute arose separately from Compassionate Consumer's complaint against Wegmans, although they are related. In examining the source and checking FTC's web site, I find no evidence that the FTC ever issued a ruling; rather, once the case went to the FCC, the UEP changed the logo, and in a letter informing the BBB that the case was being dropped (due to the voluntary change) the Dept director of the FTC expressed support for the BBB's position in the case. I tend to think I should post the paragraph as it is more in keeping with the previous edits, however if another editor came along and suggested removing it I would not object. Thatcher131 20:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Links I trimmed the links. Based on the fact that Wegmans no longer uses the UEP label, we don't need the UEP link, which was a redirect to their new label anyway. UR-Veg's analysis was highly biased, and we don't need a link to CC and the video since the video is porminently adverted on CC's main page. Thatcher131 20:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I've added the POV tag due to the revert war going on between Anthony and Hoss Firooznia. Both of you, please note that you're breaking the three-revert rule and take a moment to read Wikipedia's advice on resolving disputes. will.jennings 01:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Awesome -- I'm glad we could come to common ground. I'm pretty happy with the neutrality we've achieved; is there any objection to the removal of the NPOV disclaimer?
will.jennings 05:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The video isn't from Wegmans. I think that disputes not only the legitimacy, but also as a side effect every "fact" in the entire video.-- Anthony 15:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
There is no talking to people like you. You think your right - Can't be wrong. Can't make complete lies. As long of course as you slap on the word "documentary". Forget the fact non of the footage is even from Wegmans egg farm. Sure the group says it is, but no one in their right mind believes them (if anyone did the charges pressed against Wegmans would have worked). The groups views are not neutral. They are not presented in a neutral fashion. They accuse accuse, and accuse some more with no facts what so ever. Sure they have the video, but as has been stated over and over and over the thing is not legit.
With your bogus logic on this I could go to the Wikipedia entry for England and claim their a communist nation - Just because it's my POV. We all know it's not true, but hey... It's my POV (not really but you get the idea)... So what? Better yet I could claim their planning to take over the World. That sounds even better. And with your logic you couldn't do a single thing about it, because there is no way what-so-ever you could prove it's untrue.
Lets take a step back into reality - Either you can keep the links to the groups bogus video, or we can keep the NPOV dispute tag. It's that simple.
If anything I'm the one letting you stretch the limits. take it or leave it.
And yes that's a ultimatum. I'm not going to stretch for a chaotic group anymore.-- Anthony 20:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
You know what? Your turning this into something it isn't, and I'm done playing your games. I dispute that this article has a NPOV. It's that simple. Plrenty of other people also have this view (as displayed by their comments on this very page). The NPOV dispute tag is staying. It's not about how wrong, incorrect, and whatever else you are. That doesn't matter. This article does not have a NPOV. It didn't before - And now (after the concerned was raised on this page) it has even less of a NPOV.
So lets not get into your views on this. Lets not talk about how the FTC handed down some rule - At which point Wegmans didn't challenge it (and Wegmans has plenty of power to mount a powerful challenge). No. Instead they fixed everything. Not in 12 months... Not in 6 months... Not even in 3 months. They did it in what? 1 month? Maybe 2? What would this have took any other typical company to do (even with a honest desire to change)? 6 months? Maybe even longer...
But hey... Lets not talk about that. NPOV? Sure... If your part of the Goverment and living in China!
So... Once again. The ultimatum is this. Get rid of the links to the video, or keep the NPOV dispute tag. And you want to know why I can make this ultimatum? Because I STILL HAVE THE DISPUTE EVEN WITH OUT THE VIDEO LINK. I just wouldn't make a big deal about the rest because I simply don't have enough time to fix the entire World's problems and as such I really need to pick my battles. Ya ya... I know what your thinking. "You couldn't fix nearly any of the World's problems". And you would be right... So I guess I really need to pick which ones to fight huh?
PS If you consider yourself reasonable.... Just... WOW!-- Anthony 04:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you had fun? I sure hope so, because I'm no longer going to argue with you. Your right. It's not about "purging any references that Anthony disagrees with." It's about keeping anything and/or deleting anything Hoss wants and/or doesn't want.
Well it sure was fun getting into a fight with some kid at a keyboard, but now I think I'm done - No. I AM done. Do as you will. But I assure you ANY attempt to remove the dispute tag will be met with it being fixed - Yep that's right my little friend. Fixed.
...And you can keep crying, but at some point people just start to ignore the crying. Guess what?-- Anthony 03:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
"Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views, and may not include tiny-minority views at all"
This entire chicken farm thing is without question the minority. Hoss' version of the article is without question more detailed (and more misleading). Really. My patience in this regard has been nothing but great. You have tested me quite well. However my patience is now gone. It actually does not seem to matter who is right at all. If more people thought the Earth was flat it would seem that would be the lead of that section in the Earth article (at least that's how I'm reading it).
Something that seems to have been lost in the "I'm right and you are wrong" mentality is that I don't want to allow this chicken egg farm in the article at all. That simply is not true. Sure I don't think it has any merit, but at no point what so ever have I tried to remove reference of it. As the NPOV article says. You can not make companies out to look evil. Or rather - You can't paint an article to your liking. Once again if that's not what is going on here I don't know what is.
"To give undue weight to a significant-minority view, or to include a tiny-minority view, might be misleading as to the shape of the dispute."
Now I'm going to bring this point of the NPOV article up for one very important reason. As already stated I have no intent to remove reference. It has been quite established that this group thinks the chickens have been mistreated with a link to their site. If the reader wants to learn more they are quite capable. Nothing holds them back. If this group wants their more then welcome to create a page on Wikipedia about their views. Actually I don't think their allowed to do that under the "notable" rule, but at that point I would have no interest what-so-ever.
"If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we should present competing views in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject"
One expert says the egg farm is one of the very best in the Country. This group doesn't have any experts that agree with its views.
"None of this, however, is to say that tiny-minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views."
Once again. Go create your own Wikipedia page. I don't care.
"But even on such pages, though a view is spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is not represented as the truth."
Once again. I don't care - But you might want to keep that fact in mind.
"Certainly, there are bound to be borderline cases where a fact is disputed but we're not sure if we should take the dispute seriously, or where the distinction between fact and opinion will itself necessarily be in dispute."
I'm pretty sure this is the reality of this article. The majority do not take this dispute by the group seriously. I won't bore you with the details in this area (you are quite welcome to read it though), however it pretty much says that views (as I'm pretty sure are what these are being called by the group - Views) are not welcome. It's so simple. You of course are welcome to use facts to back up your claims, but I can assure you people in Rochester are very loyal to Wegmans so a survey would do no good - And you continue to have no facts.
"If we're going to characterize disputes fairly, we should present competing views with a consistently positive, sympathetic tone."
This may not be true on my side of things. However we are talking about potential criminals here and I'll be hard pressed to say anything good about a criminal. With that in mind the way I have written about this group in the article... In the same way newspapers did so once again I'm not very sure I'm doing anything wrong.
"for instance, refuting opposing views as one goes along makes them look a lot worse than collecting them in an opinions-of-opponents section.
We should, instead, write articles with the tone that all positions presented are at least plausible"
Well I guess that explains that. The tone is fine on my part. It's not just plausible that these people were charged with criminal action - They in fact have been.
"I agree with the nonbias policy but there are some here who seem completely, irremediably biased. I have to go around and clean up after them. What do I do?
Unless the case is really egregious, maybe the best thing is to call attention to the problem publicly, pointing the perpetrators to this page (but politely — one gets more flies with honey than with vinegar) and asking others to help. See Dispute resolution for more ideas. There must surely be a point beyond which our very strong interest in being a completely open project is trumped by the interest the vast majority of our writers have, in being able to get work done without constantly having to fix the intrusions of people who do not respect our policy."
Ironic no? I guess the bottom line is this. This article has been biased. However even after being biased it became MORE biased. At this point there is nothing more that these biased people can do. No. That's not true. They can go through the "dispute resolution" process. But at this point I don't think that is going to happen. Once again I don't really care. You start causing much more trouble and perhaps I'll do it myself.
"we must do our best to step back and ask ourselves, "How can this dispute be fairly characterized?" This has to be asked repeatedly as each new controversial point is stated"
Trust me. If I was not being looking at this fairly then we would be not be as far as we are. "What are kidding me?!?!?!" Well it may not seem very far (because it's not) but we could have easily gone nowhere at all.
"it is our job to work together, mainly adding or improving content, but also, when necessary, coming to a compromise about how a controversy should be described, so that it is fair to all sides."
I have attempted to compromise over and over with nothing in return from the other side. I have bent over backwards. I'm getting the short end the stick. Compromise. You do know what that is right? You agree on certain terms. You don't ignore the other side. You sure don't argue with something that can't be argued. The NPOV of an article either does or doesn't exist. There are no two ways about it.-- Anthony 02:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
On Wikipedia what is the policy on listing employee numbers? Do we round, or do we give exact figures when companies release exact numbers? I would look at other companies, but I assume most companies simply give rounded numbers (which would of course result in rounded numbers on Wikipedia).-- Anthony 03:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
On a different egg related note, Adam Durand, the leader of the break-in at Wgman's egg farm, was found guilty. Melanie Ippolito and Megan Cosgrove earlier pled guilty to lesser charges of trespass, but Durand went to trial and was found guilty of third degree trespass. In an unexpected sentance, Durand received six months of jail time and one year of probation. Wegmans food markets urged the judge to impose jail time in a missive addressed to the court. Source: http://www.waynetimes.com/052206.pdf
The picture's caption says it's of a "typical" Wegmans. I'm not sure I would agree with this. While it is the look of the newer stores there are many many more that are older and look nothing like it.
I just want to make the wording more true. It's as simple as changing "typical" to "newer" I'm sure.-- Anthony 02:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Or "current prototype". J.reed 03:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
The Wegmans here in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania opened a fortnight ago. Its architecture has apparently edged the chain's appearance toward a RATHER stately look and concept; its facade is replete with a tall steeple---YES, a steeple---with a clock: like a courthouse or a place of [food] worship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.74.194 ( talk) 02:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
October 13, I added the Split Section tag for criticism because I do believe that it has grown to be extremely too long. I suggest that a separate article be created for the group, and that the criticism section be reduced to a paragraph at the most, with a link to a new page.
The egg story is a subject that is NOT even in the news anymore locally, and it is an issue that has been resolved. It is a subject that does not require that long of an explanation under the criticism category for this article. John in New York 23:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose that we don't list "1 store" for cities that only have one store, locations that have more than one, we list them as (20 stores) or (2 stores) after the city. Coming Soon stores shouldn't be included in the total yet also. Does anyone agree/disagree? J.reed 01:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations)#Chains and franchises states that a "List of Wal-Marts in China" would be informative. J.reed 09:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
On the same note: is a "birds-eye view" of each store needed? -- TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone confirm I didn't mess up the references?
One of the Fortune references used to be #5 until I used that one's format to add the BusinessWeek one. Seems curious it wouldn't become #15-- Anthony 12:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
There are a few issues with this aerial image feature, which I breifly mentioned in my edit summary, so allow me to elaborate. First, in order to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia, it is compulsory that links be verified for accuracy and relevance to the material at hand. Unfortunately, Microsoft's live local search feature is not very reliable. Though each link you placed, DJvac, is unique, and I applaud your effort, they do not however maintain their original integrity (i.e. all the links take us directly back to the main search page instead of the original infomation you, DJvac, intended to direct us to). So be it known that linking from Microsoft's live local search feature is ill-advised and inappropriate for Wikipedia.
In addition, I take issue with your intent, DJvac, to link us to an aerial image of ALL 71 Wegmans stores. Some might call this barrage of repetitive information redundant, and the rationale behind this arguement would be incredibly clear. To support this, I would add that Wikipedia is intended as a online encyclopedia, and like any other encyclopedia, conveys a COMPREHENSIVE sum of information on a specified topic in the most SUCCINCT manner possible. As such, it would be in the best interests of this article and Wikipedia to limit your linkage to a single aerial (only if the website ever allows the links to work properly for a Wikipedia article). Its sort of like trying to put an actual image of every single store into the article. I mean, I know Wegmans is one of the best things to ever happen to humanity, but its not the freaking Buddha. Seriously, please be more considerate of the context in which you are trying to convey certain information. Thanks. Sinisterminister 05:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
If you choose not to seek protection, consider any attempt to restore the material vandalism. Daniel Case 02:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
He has received a 48-hour block. Daniel Case 04:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Since Colleen Wegman has been redirected to this article, I removed the circular wikilinks to her name ... Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 ( talk · contribs) 00:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Why would a citation be necessary for this statement?
Wegmans is the marquee sponsor of the Rochester Wegmans LPGA tournament.[citation needed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.187.93 ( talk) 14:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I love Wegmans, but I saw on their website newstores.wegmans.com that the Collegeville, PA Wegmans is going to have a Pub! You can see the pictures/renderings on the site. Is that notable for inclusion in Wikipedia? It is the first Wegmans to have a Pub! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.86.48 ( talk) 18:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
would someone please review the citation I've added to the Chase Pitkin section and, if it seems good, remove the unreferenced tag? I'd do it myself, but this article seems highly collaborative, so I suspect it will be yeah'd or nay'd pretty quickly. Thanks. vulture19 14:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I want to get rid of the company facts section that was rightfully tagged, and think it can be relatively easily done. One of the first things I'm going to do is break out the industry awards and recognitions into it's own section, so I would also want to rewrite the intro to prevent redundant information. How does this look for an intro?
"Wegmans Food Markets, Inc. is a privately held supermarket chain founded in 1916 in Rochester, NY. Wegmans has slowly expanded into a regional entity with stores in New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, and New Jersey, with planned stores to open in the Boston, Massachusetts area. Wegmans has evolved into an industry recognized company for quality of stores, employee satisfaction, and community involvement."
Then, create an "Awards and Recognition section that can contain the top places to work for, foodtv award, Consumer report, and recent Chamber of Commerce award (which I will stick into the company facts section for now). This should make the article flow a little differently, and may be closer to the preferred element of style.
Furthermore, i think it important to balance the article, as Wegmans has not been immune to criticism. A section will need to be created for that that includes the egg labeling thing mentioned earlier in the talk page. Also, Wegmans deliberately defied the individual item pricing law in NYS for a while (though that defiance may have contributed to the repeal), and I think I just heard something about their petitioning for the wine sale change in NYS. Of course, it would be sourced and neutral.....
Thoughts? vulture19 23:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmmmm it says 75 now, and when I went to the oldest revision from 2004 it said exaclty 65, how often is this number updated, it seems like a suspicious number. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 18:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay I see an intermediate revision shows 73 so I guess it's all right. They open a couple stores a year. 184.9.13.229 ( talk) 14:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
...And they can close a store too. There is one old, small, urban, Wegmans at 375 Driving Park Ave. Rochester, NY 14613 that closed, and is now a
PriceRite Store.
It is peculiar how Wegmans expanded into Virginia, skipping over Maryland. In the next two years they are planning many more
stores in Maryland.
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talk) 09:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
do we really need all the information about the family's history? im not sure of the sourcing and i think the part that begins "Joannes John WEGMANN was born on 22 May 1811 in Birkenhördt, Rheno, Bavaria; Germany. He was christened on 23 May 1811 in Birkenhördt, Rheno, Bavaria; Germany. He died on 29 Mar 1896 in Rochester, Monroe; NY..." is not really encyclopedia material for this article about wegmans the full service grocery store (not the family) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.238.152.3 ( talk) 19:55, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
I have been continually dissapointed to say the least with the price of the produce especially whilst there is a recession. So I was looking for information on profits and profit margin but could find no mention on the main wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.22.70 ( talk) 14:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I was a long-time costumer when I lived in Buffalo, New York. Actually it was Williamsville, New York. I was very sad as I realized that there was not a Wegman's in Tampa, Florida. Disapointed would have been the correct word. We could use a SUPER store like Wegman's here in Tampa. I've been telling all my friends about your store and they don't believe me. Only people from Buffalo that live here agree with me. Why don't you come down here so I can redeem myself with my friends!!!! We really need you down here!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.119.233 ( talk) 23:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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I think this article could benefit from reorganizing some sections. "Chase-Pitkin Home and Garden Centers" and "Discontinuation of tobacco products" both happened over 10 years ago and could be put under the "History" section, while "Wegmans brand" could be a subsection under "Operations". Kodak03 ( talk) 04:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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Feb 10, I removed the section about the FCC dispute with the United Egg Producers because I thought it was written in such a way as to imply the Better Business Bureau and the FCC had a dispute with Wegmans. From my reading it appears that Wegmans was using an industry-approved logo. The BBB and FCC had a dispute with the egg industry people, arguing that the logo was misleading, and resulting in the logo being discontinued. Wegmans then promptly removed the logo. Wegmans was not involved in the dispute, except as one of many hundreds of egg producers across the country. Wegmans was not targeted by the FCC or BBB over the logo. Therefore in my opinion linking Wegmans to the dispute creates a false impression of wrongdoing.
Now, I'm a newbie and this is just my opinion. I didn't even really delete the text, just commented it out, and I'm not going to get involved in a revert war after things have obviously calmed down a bit. I just honestly think the part about the egg logo creates a misleading impression. Thatcher131 20:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Second, if it is true that CC is alleging only ethical wrongs, then you have just about talked yourself right out of including any mention of the egg issue at all. If the vegans protested meat and dairy and the United Farm Workers protested at harvest time and some feminists protested the SI Swimsuit issue, does that all go into the company's encyclopedia article, just because they have different views of ethics? Thatcher131 03:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I am now 49.9% convinced the egg business doesn't belong in there at all, other than out of respect for the previous edit process. Thatcher131 03:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I am considering a revision to the egg section. It is in draft form on my Talk page. I do think that the egg issue is more relevant to Wegmans because they own the farm but I remain concerned about blaming them specifically for the Animal Care Certified label. By rewriting the opening paragraph, we get that in as the issue that sparked it all without having to get into a separate discussion of exactly what the label means. I left in the quote from the newspaper becuase it did come from the newspaper article. On the defense side, I think it is fair to point out that Wegmans says it believes that not all the footage is from their farm. I'm a little puzzled by that, although it could be that some close-ups don't provide enough context to show where they were filmed, and Wegmans could be honestly doubtful. In any case, I say "Wegmans says they believe' which is true from the press release. I considered also adding Wegman's statement that they will consult with Dr. Joy Mench, who was cited favorably in the Humane Society's letter to Wegmans. However WP is not a crystal ball and neither am I so in all fairness I have no idea if they followed through on it.
Regarding the UEP I included it as a separate paragraph, noting that the dispute arose separately from Compassionate Consumer's complaint against Wegmans, although they are related. In examining the source and checking FTC's web site, I find no evidence that the FTC ever issued a ruling; rather, once the case went to the FCC, the UEP changed the logo, and in a letter informing the BBB that the case was being dropped (due to the voluntary change) the Dept director of the FTC expressed support for the BBB's position in the case. I tend to think I should post the paragraph as it is more in keeping with the previous edits, however if another editor came along and suggested removing it I would not object. Thatcher131 20:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Links I trimmed the links. Based on the fact that Wegmans no longer uses the UEP label, we don't need the UEP link, which was a redirect to their new label anyway. UR-Veg's analysis was highly biased, and we don't need a link to CC and the video since the video is porminently adverted on CC's main page. Thatcher131 20:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I've added the POV tag due to the revert war going on between Anthony and Hoss Firooznia. Both of you, please note that you're breaking the three-revert rule and take a moment to read Wikipedia's advice on resolving disputes. will.jennings 01:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Awesome -- I'm glad we could come to common ground. I'm pretty happy with the neutrality we've achieved; is there any objection to the removal of the NPOV disclaimer?
will.jennings 05:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The video isn't from Wegmans. I think that disputes not only the legitimacy, but also as a side effect every "fact" in the entire video.-- Anthony 15:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
There is no talking to people like you. You think your right - Can't be wrong. Can't make complete lies. As long of course as you slap on the word "documentary". Forget the fact non of the footage is even from Wegmans egg farm. Sure the group says it is, but no one in their right mind believes them (if anyone did the charges pressed against Wegmans would have worked). The groups views are not neutral. They are not presented in a neutral fashion. They accuse accuse, and accuse some more with no facts what so ever. Sure they have the video, but as has been stated over and over and over the thing is not legit.
With your bogus logic on this I could go to the Wikipedia entry for England and claim their a communist nation - Just because it's my POV. We all know it's not true, but hey... It's my POV (not really but you get the idea)... So what? Better yet I could claim their planning to take over the World. That sounds even better. And with your logic you couldn't do a single thing about it, because there is no way what-so-ever you could prove it's untrue.
Lets take a step back into reality - Either you can keep the links to the groups bogus video, or we can keep the NPOV dispute tag. It's that simple.
If anything I'm the one letting you stretch the limits. take it or leave it.
And yes that's a ultimatum. I'm not going to stretch for a chaotic group anymore.-- Anthony 20:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
You know what? Your turning this into something it isn't, and I'm done playing your games. I dispute that this article has a NPOV. It's that simple. Plrenty of other people also have this view (as displayed by their comments on this very page). The NPOV dispute tag is staying. It's not about how wrong, incorrect, and whatever else you are. That doesn't matter. This article does not have a NPOV. It didn't before - And now (after the concerned was raised on this page) it has even less of a NPOV.
So lets not get into your views on this. Lets not talk about how the FTC handed down some rule - At which point Wegmans didn't challenge it (and Wegmans has plenty of power to mount a powerful challenge). No. Instead they fixed everything. Not in 12 months... Not in 6 months... Not even in 3 months. They did it in what? 1 month? Maybe 2? What would this have took any other typical company to do (even with a honest desire to change)? 6 months? Maybe even longer...
But hey... Lets not talk about that. NPOV? Sure... If your part of the Goverment and living in China!
So... Once again. The ultimatum is this. Get rid of the links to the video, or keep the NPOV dispute tag. And you want to know why I can make this ultimatum? Because I STILL HAVE THE DISPUTE EVEN WITH OUT THE VIDEO LINK. I just wouldn't make a big deal about the rest because I simply don't have enough time to fix the entire World's problems and as such I really need to pick my battles. Ya ya... I know what your thinking. "You couldn't fix nearly any of the World's problems". And you would be right... So I guess I really need to pick which ones to fight huh?
PS If you consider yourself reasonable.... Just... WOW!-- Anthony 04:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you had fun? I sure hope so, because I'm no longer going to argue with you. Your right. It's not about "purging any references that Anthony disagrees with." It's about keeping anything and/or deleting anything Hoss wants and/or doesn't want.
Well it sure was fun getting into a fight with some kid at a keyboard, but now I think I'm done - No. I AM done. Do as you will. But I assure you ANY attempt to remove the dispute tag will be met with it being fixed - Yep that's right my little friend. Fixed.
...And you can keep crying, but at some point people just start to ignore the crying. Guess what?-- Anthony 03:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
"Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views, and may not include tiny-minority views at all"
This entire chicken farm thing is without question the minority. Hoss' version of the article is without question more detailed (and more misleading). Really. My patience in this regard has been nothing but great. You have tested me quite well. However my patience is now gone. It actually does not seem to matter who is right at all. If more people thought the Earth was flat it would seem that would be the lead of that section in the Earth article (at least that's how I'm reading it).
Something that seems to have been lost in the "I'm right and you are wrong" mentality is that I don't want to allow this chicken egg farm in the article at all. That simply is not true. Sure I don't think it has any merit, but at no point what so ever have I tried to remove reference of it. As the NPOV article says. You can not make companies out to look evil. Or rather - You can't paint an article to your liking. Once again if that's not what is going on here I don't know what is.
"To give undue weight to a significant-minority view, or to include a tiny-minority view, might be misleading as to the shape of the dispute."
Now I'm going to bring this point of the NPOV article up for one very important reason. As already stated I have no intent to remove reference. It has been quite established that this group thinks the chickens have been mistreated with a link to their site. If the reader wants to learn more they are quite capable. Nothing holds them back. If this group wants their more then welcome to create a page on Wikipedia about their views. Actually I don't think their allowed to do that under the "notable" rule, but at that point I would have no interest what-so-ever.
"If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we should present competing views in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject"
One expert says the egg farm is one of the very best in the Country. This group doesn't have any experts that agree with its views.
"None of this, however, is to say that tiny-minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views."
Once again. Go create your own Wikipedia page. I don't care.
"But even on such pages, though a view is spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is not represented as the truth."
Once again. I don't care - But you might want to keep that fact in mind.
"Certainly, there are bound to be borderline cases where a fact is disputed but we're not sure if we should take the dispute seriously, or where the distinction between fact and opinion will itself necessarily be in dispute."
I'm pretty sure this is the reality of this article. The majority do not take this dispute by the group seriously. I won't bore you with the details in this area (you are quite welcome to read it though), however it pretty much says that views (as I'm pretty sure are what these are being called by the group - Views) are not welcome. It's so simple. You of course are welcome to use facts to back up your claims, but I can assure you people in Rochester are very loyal to Wegmans so a survey would do no good - And you continue to have no facts.
"If we're going to characterize disputes fairly, we should present competing views with a consistently positive, sympathetic tone."
This may not be true on my side of things. However we are talking about potential criminals here and I'll be hard pressed to say anything good about a criminal. With that in mind the way I have written about this group in the article... In the same way newspapers did so once again I'm not very sure I'm doing anything wrong.
"for instance, refuting opposing views as one goes along makes them look a lot worse than collecting them in an opinions-of-opponents section.
We should, instead, write articles with the tone that all positions presented are at least plausible"
Well I guess that explains that. The tone is fine on my part. It's not just plausible that these people were charged with criminal action - They in fact have been.
"I agree with the nonbias policy but there are some here who seem completely, irremediably biased. I have to go around and clean up after them. What do I do?
Unless the case is really egregious, maybe the best thing is to call attention to the problem publicly, pointing the perpetrators to this page (but politely — one gets more flies with honey than with vinegar) and asking others to help. See Dispute resolution for more ideas. There must surely be a point beyond which our very strong interest in being a completely open project is trumped by the interest the vast majority of our writers have, in being able to get work done without constantly having to fix the intrusions of people who do not respect our policy."
Ironic no? I guess the bottom line is this. This article has been biased. However even after being biased it became MORE biased. At this point there is nothing more that these biased people can do. No. That's not true. They can go through the "dispute resolution" process. But at this point I don't think that is going to happen. Once again I don't really care. You start causing much more trouble and perhaps I'll do it myself.
"we must do our best to step back and ask ourselves, "How can this dispute be fairly characterized?" This has to be asked repeatedly as each new controversial point is stated"
Trust me. If I was not being looking at this fairly then we would be not be as far as we are. "What are kidding me?!?!?!" Well it may not seem very far (because it's not) but we could have easily gone nowhere at all.
"it is our job to work together, mainly adding or improving content, but also, when necessary, coming to a compromise about how a controversy should be described, so that it is fair to all sides."
I have attempted to compromise over and over with nothing in return from the other side. I have bent over backwards. I'm getting the short end the stick. Compromise. You do know what that is right? You agree on certain terms. You don't ignore the other side. You sure don't argue with something that can't be argued. The NPOV of an article either does or doesn't exist. There are no two ways about it.-- Anthony 02:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
On Wikipedia what is the policy on listing employee numbers? Do we round, or do we give exact figures when companies release exact numbers? I would look at other companies, but I assume most companies simply give rounded numbers (which would of course result in rounded numbers on Wikipedia).-- Anthony 03:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
On a different egg related note, Adam Durand, the leader of the break-in at Wgman's egg farm, was found guilty. Melanie Ippolito and Megan Cosgrove earlier pled guilty to lesser charges of trespass, but Durand went to trial and was found guilty of third degree trespass. In an unexpected sentance, Durand received six months of jail time and one year of probation. Wegmans food markets urged the judge to impose jail time in a missive addressed to the court. Source: http://www.waynetimes.com/052206.pdf
The picture's caption says it's of a "typical" Wegmans. I'm not sure I would agree with this. While it is the look of the newer stores there are many many more that are older and look nothing like it.
I just want to make the wording more true. It's as simple as changing "typical" to "newer" I'm sure.-- Anthony 02:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Or "current prototype". J.reed 03:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
The Wegmans here in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania opened a fortnight ago. Its architecture has apparently edged the chain's appearance toward a RATHER stately look and concept; its facade is replete with a tall steeple---YES, a steeple---with a clock: like a courthouse or a place of [food] worship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.74.194 ( talk) 02:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
October 13, I added the Split Section tag for criticism because I do believe that it has grown to be extremely too long. I suggest that a separate article be created for the group, and that the criticism section be reduced to a paragraph at the most, with a link to a new page.
The egg story is a subject that is NOT even in the news anymore locally, and it is an issue that has been resolved. It is a subject that does not require that long of an explanation under the criticism category for this article. John in New York 23:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose that we don't list "1 store" for cities that only have one store, locations that have more than one, we list them as (20 stores) or (2 stores) after the city. Coming Soon stores shouldn't be included in the total yet also. Does anyone agree/disagree? J.reed 01:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations)#Chains and franchises states that a "List of Wal-Marts in China" would be informative. J.reed 09:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
On the same note: is a "birds-eye view" of each store needed? -- TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone confirm I didn't mess up the references?
One of the Fortune references used to be #5 until I used that one's format to add the BusinessWeek one. Seems curious it wouldn't become #15-- Anthony 12:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
There are a few issues with this aerial image feature, which I breifly mentioned in my edit summary, so allow me to elaborate. First, in order to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia, it is compulsory that links be verified for accuracy and relevance to the material at hand. Unfortunately, Microsoft's live local search feature is not very reliable. Though each link you placed, DJvac, is unique, and I applaud your effort, they do not however maintain their original integrity (i.e. all the links take us directly back to the main search page instead of the original infomation you, DJvac, intended to direct us to). So be it known that linking from Microsoft's live local search feature is ill-advised and inappropriate for Wikipedia.
In addition, I take issue with your intent, DJvac, to link us to an aerial image of ALL 71 Wegmans stores. Some might call this barrage of repetitive information redundant, and the rationale behind this arguement would be incredibly clear. To support this, I would add that Wikipedia is intended as a online encyclopedia, and like any other encyclopedia, conveys a COMPREHENSIVE sum of information on a specified topic in the most SUCCINCT manner possible. As such, it would be in the best interests of this article and Wikipedia to limit your linkage to a single aerial (only if the website ever allows the links to work properly for a Wikipedia article). Its sort of like trying to put an actual image of every single store into the article. I mean, I know Wegmans is one of the best things to ever happen to humanity, but its not the freaking Buddha. Seriously, please be more considerate of the context in which you are trying to convey certain information. Thanks. Sinisterminister 05:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
If you choose not to seek protection, consider any attempt to restore the material vandalism. Daniel Case 02:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
He has received a 48-hour block. Daniel Case 04:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Since Colleen Wegman has been redirected to this article, I removed the circular wikilinks to her name ... Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 ( talk · contribs) 00:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Why would a citation be necessary for this statement?
Wegmans is the marquee sponsor of the Rochester Wegmans LPGA tournament.[citation needed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.187.93 ( talk) 14:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I love Wegmans, but I saw on their website newstores.wegmans.com that the Collegeville, PA Wegmans is going to have a Pub! You can see the pictures/renderings on the site. Is that notable for inclusion in Wikipedia? It is the first Wegmans to have a Pub! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.86.48 ( talk) 18:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
would someone please review the citation I've added to the Chase Pitkin section and, if it seems good, remove the unreferenced tag? I'd do it myself, but this article seems highly collaborative, so I suspect it will be yeah'd or nay'd pretty quickly. Thanks. vulture19 14:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I want to get rid of the company facts section that was rightfully tagged, and think it can be relatively easily done. One of the first things I'm going to do is break out the industry awards and recognitions into it's own section, so I would also want to rewrite the intro to prevent redundant information. How does this look for an intro?
"Wegmans Food Markets, Inc. is a privately held supermarket chain founded in 1916 in Rochester, NY. Wegmans has slowly expanded into a regional entity with stores in New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, and New Jersey, with planned stores to open in the Boston, Massachusetts area. Wegmans has evolved into an industry recognized company for quality of stores, employee satisfaction, and community involvement."
Then, create an "Awards and Recognition section that can contain the top places to work for, foodtv award, Consumer report, and recent Chamber of Commerce award (which I will stick into the company facts section for now). This should make the article flow a little differently, and may be closer to the preferred element of style.
Furthermore, i think it important to balance the article, as Wegmans has not been immune to criticism. A section will need to be created for that that includes the egg labeling thing mentioned earlier in the talk page. Also, Wegmans deliberately defied the individual item pricing law in NYS for a while (though that defiance may have contributed to the repeal), and I think I just heard something about their petitioning for the wine sale change in NYS. Of course, it would be sourced and neutral.....
Thoughts? vulture19 23:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmmmm it says 75 now, and when I went to the oldest revision from 2004 it said exaclty 65, how often is this number updated, it seems like a suspicious number. Daniel Christensen ( talk) 18:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay I see an intermediate revision shows 73 so I guess it's all right. They open a couple stores a year. 184.9.13.229 ( talk) 14:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
...And they can close a store too. There is one old, small, urban, Wegmans at 375 Driving Park Ave. Rochester, NY 14613 that closed, and is now a
PriceRite Store.
It is peculiar how Wegmans expanded into Virginia, skipping over Maryland. In the next two years they are planning many more
stores in Maryland.
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talk) 09:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
do we really need all the information about the family's history? im not sure of the sourcing and i think the part that begins "Joannes John WEGMANN was born on 22 May 1811 in Birkenhördt, Rheno, Bavaria; Germany. He was christened on 23 May 1811 in Birkenhördt, Rheno, Bavaria; Germany. He died on 29 Mar 1896 in Rochester, Monroe; NY..." is not really encyclopedia material for this article about wegmans the full service grocery store (not the family) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.238.152.3 ( talk) 19:55, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
I have been continually dissapointed to say the least with the price of the produce especially whilst there is a recession. So I was looking for information on profits and profit margin but could find no mention on the main wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.22.70 ( talk) 14:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I was a long-time costumer when I lived in Buffalo, New York. Actually it was Williamsville, New York. I was very sad as I realized that there was not a Wegman's in Tampa, Florida. Disapointed would have been the correct word. We could use a SUPER store like Wegman's here in Tampa. I've been telling all my friends about your store and they don't believe me. Only people from Buffalo that live here agree with me. Why don't you come down here so I can redeem myself with my friends!!!! We really need you down here!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.119.233 ( talk) 23:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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I think this article could benefit from reorganizing some sections. "Chase-Pitkin Home and Garden Centers" and "Discontinuation of tobacco products" both happened over 10 years ago and could be put under the "History" section, while "Wegmans brand" could be a subsection under "Operations". Kodak03 ( talk) 04:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)