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The all articles once using this redirection (
Wavetable) as a meaning of "
Wavetable synthesis", have been all rewritten to direct link. At now, the generic term "wavetable" which have been used before the invention of "wavetable synthesis" in 1977, is free from it. Thus, the destination of redirection was changed to
Sample-based synthesis. --
Clusternote (
talk)
02:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Clusternote: Hi there. I'm trying to retroactively clarify your actions here. I'm double checking that it was correct, because I'm kinda familiar but I'm not an expert. The whole point of having a disambiguation link is to give multiple choices. But you seem to have made exactly one choice for all of them. Is that correct or did I miss something? Are you absolutely sure that everything from Neo Geo to NES uses sample-based wavetable and not just normal synthesis? And, you are linking them to a redirect, which is odd. Did you realize that? So in the case of
this, you have two different consecutive wikilinks to the same target article. Please use {{reply to | Smuckola}} so I'll see it. Thank you. —
Smuckola(Email)(Talk)11:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
As for
sample-based synthesis, I think it is slightly minor, and possibly improper term. However, here on English Wikipedia, it seems to be used as an umbrella-term for all-kind of synthesis using:
classical waveform
table-lookup method (including several
sound chip with programmable waveform generators)
On the other hand, the term
wavetable synthesis is, possibly you think it as if a generic term for several range of synthesis using waveform tables, however it seems not widely accepted in English Wikipedia. Several users want to exclusively use the term only for a method typically used on
PPG Wave, and they have claimed the other uses of the term are all "incorrect", as written on the article "
Wavetable synthesis".
@
Clusternote: Well that's a bummer, isn't it? I grew up with an Apple //gs with the Ensoniq wavetable chip, and the SNES, so I am a fan but I'm not an expert. I don't know what to say about that, except to make an expert request for an audio engineering scientist. I can only optimize the article's existing contents, nod, and back away. So the subject of the actual content is one thing. But on the other subject of wiki formatting, what do you say the disambiguation and the redirect and the link I gave? —
Smuckola(Email)(Talk)13:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Smuckola: I'm glad if you wrote the comment in plain word.
@
Clusternote: No, it's not ugly. It's redundant. It's two different wikilinks to the same article. Go ahead and click them! Also, I originally asked you if you are totally sure that all these links go to the correct target at all. I somewhat understand what you're saying about the disagreeable content of the articles. But still, even just by the article's title, you're saying that a NES specifically uses sample-based wavetable synthesis. Are you sure about that? Are you sure that all the systems use sample based wavetable synthesis? I'm not an expert, but I know that a NES can use wavetable synth and I know it can use samples, but I'm just checking. I know a lot of NES experts, so I'll ask them too. Thank you sir. —
Smuckola(Email)(Talk)13:46, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Smuckola: Thanks for your kindly comment in plain English! Both problems can be resolved by writing a new article (or new section) dedicated for the generic "table-lookup synthesis" (
Curtis Roads 1996, p. 87), instead of the
current article dedicated for
PPG Wave family. However, it might be slightly hard task in the requirement of reliable sources (a famous IP user tends to complain bitterly for anything even if reliable sources are cited. really he has a nice guts).
Otherwise, first link should be redirected to the disambiguation page, as you said. As for the (possibility of) contradiction on a notion like a "sample-based wavetable synthesis" pointed out by you, I have no idea to resolve it without any new article/new section ...
This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject Disambiguation, an attempt to structure and organize all
disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can edit the page attached to this talk page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project or contribute to the
discussion.DisambiguationWikipedia:WikiProject DisambiguationTemplate:WikiProject DisambiguationDisambiguation articles
The all articles once using this redirection (
Wavetable) as a meaning of "
Wavetable synthesis", have been all rewritten to direct link. At now, the generic term "wavetable" which have been used before the invention of "wavetable synthesis" in 1977, is free from it. Thus, the destination of redirection was changed to
Sample-based synthesis. --
Clusternote (
talk)
02:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Clusternote: Hi there. I'm trying to retroactively clarify your actions here. I'm double checking that it was correct, because I'm kinda familiar but I'm not an expert. The whole point of having a disambiguation link is to give multiple choices. But you seem to have made exactly one choice for all of them. Is that correct or did I miss something? Are you absolutely sure that everything from Neo Geo to NES uses sample-based wavetable and not just normal synthesis? And, you are linking them to a redirect, which is odd. Did you realize that? So in the case of
this, you have two different consecutive wikilinks to the same target article. Please use {{reply to | Smuckola}} so I'll see it. Thank you. —
Smuckola(Email)(Talk)11:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
As for
sample-based synthesis, I think it is slightly minor, and possibly improper term. However, here on English Wikipedia, it seems to be used as an umbrella-term for all-kind of synthesis using:
classical waveform
table-lookup method (including several
sound chip with programmable waveform generators)
On the other hand, the term
wavetable synthesis is, possibly you think it as if a generic term for several range of synthesis using waveform tables, however it seems not widely accepted in English Wikipedia. Several users want to exclusively use the term only for a method typically used on
PPG Wave, and they have claimed the other uses of the term are all "incorrect", as written on the article "
Wavetable synthesis".
@
Clusternote: Well that's a bummer, isn't it? I grew up with an Apple //gs with the Ensoniq wavetable chip, and the SNES, so I am a fan but I'm not an expert. I don't know what to say about that, except to make an expert request for an audio engineering scientist. I can only optimize the article's existing contents, nod, and back away. So the subject of the actual content is one thing. But on the other subject of wiki formatting, what do you say the disambiguation and the redirect and the link I gave? —
Smuckola(Email)(Talk)13:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Smuckola: I'm glad if you wrote the comment in plain word.
@
Clusternote: No, it's not ugly. It's redundant. It's two different wikilinks to the same article. Go ahead and click them! Also, I originally asked you if you are totally sure that all these links go to the correct target at all. I somewhat understand what you're saying about the disagreeable content of the articles. But still, even just by the article's title, you're saying that a NES specifically uses sample-based wavetable synthesis. Are you sure about that? Are you sure that all the systems use sample based wavetable synthesis? I'm not an expert, but I know that a NES can use wavetable synth and I know it can use samples, but I'm just checking. I know a lot of NES experts, so I'll ask them too. Thank you sir. —
Smuckola(Email)(Talk)13:46, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Smuckola: Thanks for your kindly comment in plain English! Both problems can be resolved by writing a new article (or new section) dedicated for the generic "table-lookup synthesis" (
Curtis Roads 1996, p. 87), instead of the
current article dedicated for
PPG Wave family. However, it might be slightly hard task in the requirement of reliable sources (a famous IP user tends to complain bitterly for anything even if reliable sources are cited. really he has a nice guts).
Otherwise, first link should be redirected to the disambiguation page, as you said. As for the (possibility of) contradiction on a notion like a "sample-based wavetable synthesis" pointed out by you, I have no idea to resolve it without any new article/new section ...