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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 08:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
As of this writing the entire oar article is devoted to the oars used in the athletic rowing. It links to the article on rowing, and it too is entirely devoted to the athletic rowing. If all one had to go by was the oar article one would think that oars and rowing were a recent invention!
Surely the historical use of oars for marine propulsion deserves space in the wikipedia? Frankly, it seems to me, the use of oars for marine propulsion is more important than their use in the sport of rowing. Similarly the act of rowing is performed by far more than modern atheletes.
This current article has no room for serious mention of non-athletic rowing. Should there be a disambiguation page, that points to athletic rowing and rowing as marine propulsion? Should the main page on rowing be devoted to conventional rowing, with a link at the top to athletic rowing? Could the fans of athletic rowing be less parochial, and rewrite the article to make room for the long history of non-athleteic rowing?
I'm not expert enough to write it myself, but the rowing coverage ought to extend to single-oar stern propulsion aka Yuloh - what used to be called sculling before sport rowing hijacked the term. Tearlach 17:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I completely agree. I actually came to this page looking for information on just that. 76.9.163.58 ( talk) 14:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
This is the article about non-sporting rowing, but the photo is a sport rowing boat, albeit an old design, and oars. A different picture would be ideal. 86.21.227.237 ( talk) 11:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The poor man's surname is spelt in two different ways. Which is correct? Wavehunter ( talk) 03:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I added some content on what makes a good rowboat, is a little rough but it is a start.
I would ideally like to add some information on the method of rowing that small boats use and used in coastal areas, and how the oars are much narrower that the oars used by sculls.
Additionally it would be nice to have some more information on classic rowboats. At the moment we have whitehalls, which are a nice boat, but have neglected wherries, dories, cobles, umiaks, curraghs, peapods, skiffs and more. Should this information be on a separate wikipedia rowboat entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterMelbourne ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
This article ignores some rowing techniques used in asia, like the standing rowing technique used on the mekong:
see photos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.119.2.98 ( talk) 02:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus that an overview of the activity of rowing is primary over the application of rowing as a competive sport. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:16, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Watercraft rowing → Rowing – The primary meaning of "rowing" is per definition something you do with a watercraft. More specific types of rowing, such as sports, rowing exercises and the likes can be referred from rowing (disambiguation) as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Peter Isotalo 17:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
If there is no primary topic, the term should be the title of a disambiguation page (or should redirect to a disambiguation page on which more than one term is disambiguated).
If any article (rather than the dab) should be at Rowing, it's the article currently at Rowing (sport). But no way should this article be there. -- B2 C 05:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
If it was closer in terms of the usage consideration the long-term consideration factor might be worth considering, as a tie-breaker. But here this use is relatively obscure in terms of how often people seek it. I mean, rowing itself, in general, is a very mundane activity. It's no surprise that few seek an article about it. I think it's a disservice to put an article few are interested in at the base name, when there are other articles associated with that name that people are much more interested in. -- B2 C 19:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
The relatively high interest of the sport rowing article as compared to this article is not due to WP:RECENTISM. RECENTISM refers to short term blips in popularity, as the sport rowing article might experience during the Summer Olympics - a popularity that subsides about as quickly as it rises, and soon after. That's not what is going on here. -- B2 C 21:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't get the comparison with Smoking. The article I expected is there. Is there another article likely to be sought with "smoking" that is viewed much more often than this one? -- B2 C 22:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello
I am new to Wikipedia and I am currently working on a project for a class. I noticed that this article could be improved and I will be working over the next 2 weeks on it. I would love to hear from anyone who has any suggestions or concerns. I will be working on it in my sandbox User:NZMKZ/sandbox.rowing before I publish my changes. NZMKZ ( talk) 15:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Dear all,
I have been working with this article for the past few weeks. I reached the section on the design factors and I think it needs major editing. The main issue in this section is that it seems like original research. I tried to find strong sources to link it to but I was not able to (But I Will keep looking). My suggestion is to divide this section up into subsections. This will make it easier for other people to include additional information on more specific design factors (which will make it easier to find sources/ references). I made these changes in my sandbox User:NZMKZ/sandbox.rowing . I will be implementing these changes in the next few days and I would really appreciate it if you give me some feedback so we can reach the best solution possible. NZMKZ ( talk) 20:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering what rowboats were used for during the age of sail (think about 1600 to mid 1800). But this article cuts off at Ancient Greece and then has a ton of focus on sports. I don't really care for sports.
I do not agree with the latest addition to the article, regarding "..some strict terminologies..".
A quick search on internet shows that there are other opinions and possible interpretations cf. online Collins pulling boat a noun in American English: a boat propelled by oars alone; or a Google search for images of pulling boat, some American examples of which of which are clearly for one person with two oars.
We are being too strict here ! If this is only true for some terminologies, here are some alternatives
My vote would be for #3: what say you, fellow wikipedians ? jw ( talk) 10:58, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
References
Until the arrival of engines, in particular the outboard motor, rowing was the major method of moving a small working boat (if only initially, before hoisting sails). Ideally the article would have an image of a working boat being moved under oar. It is possible to find naval vessels propelled by oar, but the vast number of civilian, non-pleasure boats are unrepresented. I have tried to find a usable (copyright) picture, but with no success. Do other editors know of an example? ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 07:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
The section describing Whitehall rowing seems to be simple advertising, or at least an unbalanced inclusion in this page. <brf>If it isn't advertising, then there are countless other types of rowing boats which would be similarly noteworthy.
I propose that
EITHER this section should be eliminated from this page
OR new sections should be included for every other type of rowing boat.
I would also suggest that the page Whitehall_rowboat needs a similar review. 78.114.97.77 ( talk) 19:18, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 08:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
As of this writing the entire oar article is devoted to the oars used in the athletic rowing. It links to the article on rowing, and it too is entirely devoted to the athletic rowing. If all one had to go by was the oar article one would think that oars and rowing were a recent invention!
Surely the historical use of oars for marine propulsion deserves space in the wikipedia? Frankly, it seems to me, the use of oars for marine propulsion is more important than their use in the sport of rowing. Similarly the act of rowing is performed by far more than modern atheletes.
This current article has no room for serious mention of non-athletic rowing. Should there be a disambiguation page, that points to athletic rowing and rowing as marine propulsion? Should the main page on rowing be devoted to conventional rowing, with a link at the top to athletic rowing? Could the fans of athletic rowing be less parochial, and rewrite the article to make room for the long history of non-athleteic rowing?
I'm not expert enough to write it myself, but the rowing coverage ought to extend to single-oar stern propulsion aka Yuloh - what used to be called sculling before sport rowing hijacked the term. Tearlach 17:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I completely agree. I actually came to this page looking for information on just that. 76.9.163.58 ( talk) 14:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
This is the article about non-sporting rowing, but the photo is a sport rowing boat, albeit an old design, and oars. A different picture would be ideal. 86.21.227.237 ( talk) 11:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The poor man's surname is spelt in two different ways. Which is correct? Wavehunter ( talk) 03:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I added some content on what makes a good rowboat, is a little rough but it is a start.
I would ideally like to add some information on the method of rowing that small boats use and used in coastal areas, and how the oars are much narrower that the oars used by sculls.
Additionally it would be nice to have some more information on classic rowboats. At the moment we have whitehalls, which are a nice boat, but have neglected wherries, dories, cobles, umiaks, curraghs, peapods, skiffs and more. Should this information be on a separate wikipedia rowboat entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterMelbourne ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
This article ignores some rowing techniques used in asia, like the standing rowing technique used on the mekong:
see photos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.119.2.98 ( talk) 02:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus that an overview of the activity of rowing is primary over the application of rowing as a competive sport. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:16, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Watercraft rowing → Rowing – The primary meaning of "rowing" is per definition something you do with a watercraft. More specific types of rowing, such as sports, rowing exercises and the likes can be referred from rowing (disambiguation) as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Peter Isotalo 17:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
If there is no primary topic, the term should be the title of a disambiguation page (or should redirect to a disambiguation page on which more than one term is disambiguated).
If any article (rather than the dab) should be at Rowing, it's the article currently at Rowing (sport). But no way should this article be there. -- B2 C 05:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
If it was closer in terms of the usage consideration the long-term consideration factor might be worth considering, as a tie-breaker. But here this use is relatively obscure in terms of how often people seek it. I mean, rowing itself, in general, is a very mundane activity. It's no surprise that few seek an article about it. I think it's a disservice to put an article few are interested in at the base name, when there are other articles associated with that name that people are much more interested in. -- B2 C 19:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
The relatively high interest of the sport rowing article as compared to this article is not due to WP:RECENTISM. RECENTISM refers to short term blips in popularity, as the sport rowing article might experience during the Summer Olympics - a popularity that subsides about as quickly as it rises, and soon after. That's not what is going on here. -- B2 C 21:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't get the comparison with Smoking. The article I expected is there. Is there another article likely to be sought with "smoking" that is viewed much more often than this one? -- B2 C 22:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello
I am new to Wikipedia and I am currently working on a project for a class. I noticed that this article could be improved and I will be working over the next 2 weeks on it. I would love to hear from anyone who has any suggestions or concerns. I will be working on it in my sandbox User:NZMKZ/sandbox.rowing before I publish my changes. NZMKZ ( talk) 15:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Dear all,
I have been working with this article for the past few weeks. I reached the section on the design factors and I think it needs major editing. The main issue in this section is that it seems like original research. I tried to find strong sources to link it to but I was not able to (But I Will keep looking). My suggestion is to divide this section up into subsections. This will make it easier for other people to include additional information on more specific design factors (which will make it easier to find sources/ references). I made these changes in my sandbox User:NZMKZ/sandbox.rowing . I will be implementing these changes in the next few days and I would really appreciate it if you give me some feedback so we can reach the best solution possible. NZMKZ ( talk) 20:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering what rowboats were used for during the age of sail (think about 1600 to mid 1800). But this article cuts off at Ancient Greece and then has a ton of focus on sports. I don't really care for sports.
I do not agree with the latest addition to the article, regarding "..some strict terminologies..".
A quick search on internet shows that there are other opinions and possible interpretations cf. online Collins pulling boat a noun in American English: a boat propelled by oars alone; or a Google search for images of pulling boat, some American examples of which of which are clearly for one person with two oars.
We are being too strict here ! If this is only true for some terminologies, here are some alternatives
My vote would be for #3: what say you, fellow wikipedians ? jw ( talk) 10:58, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
References
Until the arrival of engines, in particular the outboard motor, rowing was the major method of moving a small working boat (if only initially, before hoisting sails). Ideally the article would have an image of a working boat being moved under oar. It is possible to find naval vessels propelled by oar, but the vast number of civilian, non-pleasure boats are unrepresented. I have tried to find a usable (copyright) picture, but with no success. Do other editors know of an example? ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 07:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
The section describing Whitehall rowing seems to be simple advertising, or at least an unbalanced inclusion in this page. <brf>If it isn't advertising, then there are countless other types of rowing boats which would be similarly noteworthy.
I propose that
EITHER this section should be eliminated from this page
OR new sections should be included for every other type of rowing boat.
I would also suggest that the page Whitehall_rowboat needs a similar review. 78.114.97.77 ( talk) 19:18, 15 February 2023 (UTC)