This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
Currently, the article's (only?) budget source states that the budget per episode is as high as $25 million dollars, which is fine. But this was over a year ago when only 6 episodes were reported, and there is no indication of if the budget is $150 million, for six hours, or $225 million for nine episodes. Therefore, I don't think we can conclude the show's budget since it can go either way, and we should remove it from the table entirely, until a reliable source stating the season's entire budget is found. Hummerrocket (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
i$150 million for six hours, or $225 million for nine episodes. — YoungForever (talk) 02:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
There's a new official clip released by Marvel and Disney where the real names of Norm and Arthur Hart can be seen: Abilash Tandon and Todd Davis. Can we add this? Or is it better to wait a bit? AxGRvS ( talk) 14:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, is there a reason we only mention the amount of 4 episodes in the colum? I apologize in advance if that has already been mentioned and I missed it.
-- Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 23:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
See what you can add. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Paragraph three sentence two "The first three episodes are around 30 minutes each while the remaining episode..." - the second occurence of "episode" refers to 6 episodes and so should be plural - "The first three episodes are around 30 minutes each while the remaining episodes..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.175.135 ( talk) 19:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I know these are minor roles, but Asif Ali (Norm) played character Jesse Fletcher in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 1 episode " Beginning of the End" (it is mentioned in the episode article) and Amos Glick (Dennis) played a waiter in the season 7 episode " The New Deal". I added this with a source (for Ali's appearance. On Glick's case, I haven't found a reliable one despite him appearing in the episode, although it is understandable because is a minor role) but it was reverted for not being notable. As I said, I know these are minor roles, but I consider it is something noticeable when an actor plays more than one character in MCU media, and this was clarified when that happened in other articles. I just want to you to consider this.
Another separate point I want to discuss is how to put Glick's character, "Dennis the Mailman". I know he was credited that way, but Mailman is not a proper name so I think it should not be wrote as that. Again, I corrected that several times in this article and the episodes where he appears but it was always reverted, with the only explanation being "Per credits".
I would thank these points were discussed.
as creditedin MOS:TVCAST. It would be too strict to stick to even the capitalization of the credits in a case such as this one. If it turns out that there's a specific reason why the character is credited as "Dennis the Mailman" that has any type of relevance to the story, apart from just a convention to capitalize credited names as if they were titles, then sure. — El Millo ( talk) 23:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
It may come across as a metaphysical question, but does the fiction actually take place in the 1950s, 1960s, et al.?
Depending on the answer—which in turn depends on assessing the extent of the time reality bending of the lead character and the extent of what " setting" (vs. " theme") actually means, I assume—the current categories Category:Television series set in the 1950s; Category:Television series set in the 1960s; Category:Television series set in the 1970s; Category:Television series set in the 1980s Category:Television series set in the 1990s; Category:Television series set in the 2000s; Category:Television series set in the 2020s may be put into question (other than whatever Earth-199999 decade the Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Four is set in).--Asqueladd ( talk) 03:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Should we call WandaVision the 24th installment and first television series of the MCU? Or should we keep the count to the films only? Are the Marvel Television shows considered canonical anymore? I ask because the Disney+ shows are considered to be at the same level as the films, considering that they are part of Phase Four. TdanTce ( talk) 04:16, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: I appreciate trying to stick to MOS:TVCAST where possible, but I do think there is value in grouping together certain actors to make it easier for the reader to understand since we are using prose rather than an easy-to-read list. I also don't think the commercial actors should really count as part of the proper cast list since they are in their own special category, which is why I think the current format at the episode articles works well where we just include them all at the end of the paragraphs rather than in the same sentence as the other cast members. - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:16, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi, is it possible to reorder the main cast according to each actor place in the credits? I mean, in the following way: Olsen, Bettany, Parris, Rupp (after Parris per episode 2), Melamed, Peters, Park (after Peters per ep. 5), Dennings, and Hahn (credited last in every episode). This was made on the Marvel Netflix shows articles where there were main actors who appeared later but they are put according to their place on the credits. I'm just asking, I don't know if it's a good idea or really doesn't matter. AxGRvS ( talk) 02:30, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
There are examples. In Daredevil, Ayelet Zurer, Vondi Curtis-Hall, and Rosario Dawson appear after episode 1 but they are credited according to their place on the credits, before Vincent D'Onofrio. The same with Luke Cage: Erik LaRey Harvey and Dawson appear later but they are credited before Alfre Woodard, who appeared first. The same happens with Wil Traval in Jessica Jones, with Ramon Rodriguez, Sacha Dhawan, and Dawson in Iron Fist, and also with Ebon Moss-Bachrach in The Punisher. That's why I am asking for this. AxGRvS ( talk) 14:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Completely agree with Marvelous here. The cast list in this article is extremely misleading. Two extremely minor characters are being given more preference over main characters just to follow some dumb guidilne. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 14:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
These "minor" characters received main on end billing on the credits, that's why they are added. AxGRvS ( talk) 15:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Is it worthwhile to mention Stephen Ford working on a pitch based off his tweet for a Jimmy Woo X-Files-type spin off? Because this doesn't seem super concrete at this time, I'm leaning towards no, but wanted discuss it here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Nothing’s set in stone yet and it’s not even confirmed that Ford has landed a proper meeting with Marvel, but from what we can glean from his tweet, he at least seems to have the ear of someone at the studio.So, it doesn't appear official or notable yet. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 18:18, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Now that's we've essentially gone through all the episodes the press have seen and were able to create articles about, how are we feeling about starting new episodes as mainspace articles right upon release? I'm still of the mindset on Fridays, we should begin any article in the draft space, because I am a bit concerned we'll have unique production/commentary bits immediately upon release to justify the article. Anyone else have strong feelings either way on this? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:30, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
If episode 5 turns out to be set in the 80s for the sitcom portion, we have enough material that we can start an episode article right in the mainspace. All the material is housed in my sandbox which can be copied to the article. I'll make a hidden note in the episode table pointing here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Adamstom.97, Trailblazer101, and Facu-el Millo: pinging you all just in case you didn't see my comment above to know material is ready to go for an episode 5 article if the sitcom is the 1980s one. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:02, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Just stating again, if episode 6 is the Halloween/1990s episode, material is again ready in my sandbox to aid an article right upon release. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has a breakdown of various viewership statistics for the first week of the show's release. There will be nielsen data released at some point as well. There is definitely stuff that can be used in here, but I was wondering where we thought the best place for this would be since it mostly applies to the first two episodes but doesn't differentiate between the two. - adamstom97 ( talk) 20:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok so I have a question about the Nielsen ratings. Per the way it is formatted in Variety's article, they say the Nielsen ratings are for the week of Janurary 11-17, and next to each series it gives the total number of episodes available and the minutes. So come the report that will cover the third episode, will the minute data not be technically accurate for just episode three? Because I'm viewing this as Nielsen tracking minutes watched for any available episode of a series in that week. That's why they have the separate list for the "acquired" shows that are on available to stream. If this is the case, how do we go about reporting the info? Also separately, should we include a viewership section here on the main page? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
WandaVision has broke numerous records for a television series, particularly from streaming Disney+. This numbers and analytics need to be added, to explain how many people have watched the show, and still updating it until the final episode arrives. Alvrix3104 ( talk) 16:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
I have not watched this series yet, but this line from the lead sounds wrong from seeing the trailer which makes the series seem to take place in the 1950s: "...[it] takes place after the events of the film Avengers: Endgame (2019)." How is this possible? If it's some sort of spoiler, perhaps it shouldn't be in the lead? RobP ( talk) 02:22, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Chronologically WandaVision is set after Endgame since the end of Episode 1 is set in present day and Episode 4 (Sword PoV) confirmed it is set 3 weeks so not before Endgame Kohcohf ( talk) 05:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Seeing as both Heckner and Dennings were 'cast' as a role in the circus. Should we add that to their charachter summary or leave it be? Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 15:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could you tell me, please, if the site [1] is a reliable source. Not for the theory, of cource, but for the spoken broadcast itself. Thanks. IKhitron ( talk) 18:45, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
I think we should have an article for Agnes, the main neighbor, because I think she's gonna be an integral character after " Episode 7". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minemaster1337 ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
"It was Agatha who sent Wanda the Pietro imposter and also killed Sparky"
Can this sentence please be changed as it is not understandable.
It should be: "It was Agatha who sent Wanda the imposter posing as Pietro and also killed Sparky" Mighty Asgardian616 ( talk) 09:35, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
I just swapped out the reference used on the article for the
EW recap of episode 5, because it explicitly states how he was "Peter Maximoff" in the X-Men films. However, it also claims that who appeared at the end of the episode is the X-Men film series version, so I think we could readjust his info with this source. Particularly, state something to this affect in the "Cast" section, and not link "Pietro" to the MCU version. -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
02:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that someone created an article for the X-Men character, Peter Maximoff, including information from WandaVision. YgorD3 ( talk) 08:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
FYI, this is also being discussed at Talk:Peter Maximoff#Factual accuracy.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 13:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request to
WandaVision has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
From:WandaVision premiered with its first two episodes on January 15, 2021, and will run for nine episodes until March 5. It is the first series in Phase Four of the MCU. The series received praise from critics for its sitcom settings and tropes, dark tonal shifts, and the performances of Olsen and Bettany. To: WandaVision premiered with its first two episodes on January 15, 2021, and will run for ten episodes until March 12. It is the first series in Phase Four of the MCU. The series received praise from critics for its sitcom settings and tropes, dark tonal shifts, and the performances of Olsen and Bettany.
This was confirmed by disney with the reveal trailer of the 8th episode: https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1365300587928166408 87.123.204.98 ( talk) 20:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
"Bettany portrays both the original Vision, who, after being killed in Avengers: Infinity War (2018), is reassembled and reactivated by S.W.O.R.D. (Sentient Weapon Observation Response Division), as well as a new version recreated by Wanda within her alternate reality." Is this not a bit of a spoiler for anyone who has not started the series? Azursmile ( talk) 10:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request to
WandaVision has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In: “ WandaVision premiered with its first two episodes on January 15, 2021, and will run for nine episodes until March 5. It is the first series in Phase Four of the MCU. The series received praise from critics for its sitcom settings and tropes, dark tonal shifts, and the performances of Olsen and Bettany.” change “the performances of Olsen and Bettany” to “the performance of Olsen, Bettany, and Hahn”. B101899 ( talk) 19:33, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
"Part loving homage to TV history, part off-kilter mystery, WandaVision is a wonderfully weird and strikingly bold step into the small screen for the MCU—and a perfect showcase for Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany". If you find a reliable source describing praise of Hahn's performance as a notable element of critics' reception of the series, feel free to re-open this request (change "answered=yes" to "answered=no"). Volteer1 ( talk) 06:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Why is the mid credit scene from episode 8 mentioned here, while the same from episode 7 isn't? Anubhab030119 ( talk) 20:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
I added Sophia Gaidarova as the actress portraying young Wanda alongside Michaela Russell, but my edit was reverted because Gaidarova was not portraying the actual Wanda. Can somebody explain me when or where was this confirmed? AxGRvS ( talk) 20:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
No E8 revealed that it was indeed the Stark Industries Bomb that destroyed her and (real) Pietro's home. That was referenced in Age of Ultron when the real Pietro (played by AT-J) mentioned the event to Ultron and implied that was the reason they volunteered for HYDRA. Mighty Asgardian616 ( talk) 04:18, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request to
WandaVision has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The Rotten Tomatoes’s score of the episode 7 is wrong. It’s actually 88% and not 83. 160.155.18.138 ( talk) 19:57, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Since she appeared in 2 episodes at least according to the credits. Should we include her in the guest role section? Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 13:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Is this useful? Though Olsen says in it, "I mean if she could have two fake babies and everyone tell her that they don't really exist, and then her just go nuts—that would be unbelievable, but I don't think they're gonna do that." Kailash29792 (talk) 08:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
why is she 3d billed in this show? aside from the pilot, she's barely in it! and she's a lesser star than parris park or dennings, so it's not like she's being elevated for that reason.
what she more instrumental to the original story, and got edited out or something? 66.30.47.138 ( talk) 08:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Because of her billing in the credits. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
This show is about Wanda, Vision, Monica, Agnes, Jimmy, Darcy, Hayward etc. The first 5 or 6 were brought on the stage flin the comic-con. Whatever this article says doesn't change the fact that Debra and Fred are practically guest stars. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 17:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
"main" cast members are determined by the series producers (not by popularity, screen time, or episode count). In every episode Debra Jo Rupp has appeared she's been credited in the main on end credits. That means the producers determined she's main cast. Now, unless you're secretly a producer on the show, you have no say in this and neither do we. — El Millo ( talk) 17:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Haha, this rusted guy must think he is so "powerful" because he can revert other people to inflict his own nonsense. Carry on with your childish insecurities mate. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 17:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Here comes another "expert". Anubhab030119 ( talk) 18:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
And no, I haven't bothered to read some pointless article on a pointless website. Those rules are for you guys to bark about, doggy. Go fetch. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 18:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Scenarioschrijver20 If this helps, there is no sub-section in the article saying "Main Characters". The cast list is intended to list the actors who received billing in the episodes in which they appeared. Number of episodes does not matter. Curious that you want Debra Jo Rupp to be removed when she appeared in more episodes than Evan Peters. This is contradictory. Again, episode account does not decide that. Let's just follow the official credits of the show. YgorD3 ( talk) 21:00, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I don't know why it was ever left like this, but now that the series is over can we please fix the mess of the recurring/guest characters section? Every other TV show article has this section done as a properly formatted list instead of a jumbled paragraph as we currently have. MarvelousMusician397 ( talk) 06:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
The Episode 8 description indicates "Previously On" is a redirect to the WandaVision page. Since that phrase is used in (in terms of practicality) countless television shows, it seems improper to co-opt it for any one show, whether or not it's the episode title. I'd sooner see "Previously On" point to either a disambig with specific instances or the indicated Recap page with a link to a disambig, and add "Previously On (WandaVision)" as the redirect to here. Morfusmax ( talk) 04:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
it really makes no sense that "Previously On" redirects to this show, instead of redirecting to "Previously on" 157.131.250.246 ( talk) 02:41, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Ulises1126 I have reverted your edits as they are an unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK and split of the music content. I do not see the need for an article that is essentially solely the track lists and individual infoboxes (which are definitely unnecessary), when each episode article is housing the info perfectly fine. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I think because other sites call episode 6 the 90s episode, we should as well. I'm aware some sites abd reviewers call it a 00's episode. But it would be weird if they just skipped a decade. Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 20:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I think we need to revisit all the decades for the series and make sure we are being consistent here. I think it is clear that the production considers episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7 to be set in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, even if the influences and homages in each episode do not necessarily line up with that. For instance, we know the first episodes is a 1950s sitcom but it is primarily influenced by the 1960s series The Dick Van Dyke Show. The sixth episode is obviously influenced by Malcolm in the Middle, but we know that the production considers it to be a 1990s sitcom, and the theme song for the seventh episode is literally called "W-V 2000". I think we have gotten quite mixed up in people's opinions of the allusions, including editors here and reviewers/commentators. My proposal is that we treat the "type/setting of sitcom" and the influences as different things. So in the opening lead paragraph, infobox, plot summary, and development section of each episode we use the decade that we know the production used, and then in the second lead paragraph and writing sections we can give all of the influences that we currently have and just tweak the wording depending on if the influences line up exactly with the production decade or not. That way we are being consistent across all the episodes while still providing everything we know about each one. This will hopefully be a good compromise for those who have been unable to agree on the current format as well. - adamstom97 ( talk) 01:40, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The article that you linked to your response claims that Episode 7 Breaking the Fourth Wall is set in the 2010s and not the 2000s. Also, it has been explicitly stated by numerous sources that the majority of the inspiration for Episode 7 came from the sitcom Modern family. Modern Family was not on in the Mid 2000s at all. Modern Family aired it's first episode at the very end of the Late 2000s and continued throughout the 2010s into the 2020s. Other Sitcoms such as The Office and Happy Endings are also mentioned but most sources make it clear that Modern Family is the primary inspiration. Being that the majority of Episode 7's influences are from Modern Family, it seems like Episode 7 would be more representative of the 2010s rather than the 2000s. 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:9524:8E18:CF4A:62A8 ( talk) 23:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
For all the characters listed on this page, we're using their name as given in the series, not the name they are given within the in-universe sitcoms. Evan Peeters' character "Ralph Bhoner" is however the name of this character within the sitcoms, not within the MCUs real world. We should probably clearify this somehow. -- YannickFran ( talk) 18:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I think that the music section for the soundtrack should make use of infoboxes. Some of you may found it unnecessary but I thinks its important to add some additional information to the soundtrack, which I thinks is very important. If you allow me, I won’t have any problem to add the info boxes. Ulises1126 ( talk) 22:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
In the "Music" section where it says "The first two notes of the motif are a major octave, and the last two are a tritone,..." should be changed to something like "The motif consists of an octave, followed by a tritone,...". Octaves in music theory do not have major/minor qualities, and technically the tritone does not happen as the "last two" notes, but rather the 2nd and 3rd notes of the 4-note motif (the last two being a minor second). In the referenced interview the term "full major" is just talking about the overall perception of the song. 98.248.67.46 ( talk) 04:39, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
octave UP, octave DOWN, tritone UP, tritone DOWN, etc? are we talking C4-C5-F#5-G5 or the like? or C5-C4-F#4-G4? (not exactly sure how to write w/o key, i.e. I5-IV#5-V5 etc. perhaps someone who DOES could add it?)
and IS it even obvious? i listened to to all the themes on a loop and still failed to hear any common these. i DID heard the "big ben chimes" in several places, however; i assumed they were talking about that as the "4 notes" until reading the description here. 66.30.47.138 ( talk) 18:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
i do not wish to rehash the "closed" discussion; nor did i even attempt to above before several others MISREAD the quesion, SWORE at me (!), and unilaterally closed the discussion; i am just curious if anyone knows why debra jo rupp was BILLED third in the first place.
NOT why she is listed HERE as such -- i am in full agreement, we follow the CREDITS. just why she was in that position in the FIRST place, given such a minor appearance. she is not notable; to say that she "and fred" were elevated like major stars giving cameos is crazy -- she is not half as famous as parris, park, or dennings even!
is she important in some OTHER way? funding the project? dating the producer?
i cannot find any logical reason she was given special billing. i hope some of the great minds here might know. 66.30.47.138 ( talk) 17:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey Adamstom.97 I like the work you did. I'm just looking it over and feeling if we might need to fine tune it a bit more. My main concern is the information about grief, particularly how the series is structured to follow the stages of grief, is not in the "Structure" subsection. But it also works where you have it in the "Character" subsection, so maybe we need to rethink headings? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
You're missing a nomination for the 2021 MTV Movie & TV Awards in Best Musical Moment for the song Agatha All Along . Movieknower59 ( talk) 03:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I mean the fact that two barely even recurring characters get third and fourth billing because they appeared in the first episode in which there were barely any characters besides the two leads, i just think we need to come up with better mother truckin rules tbh, usually it isn't THIS bad but there should be some exceptions when it comes to stuff like this, deep down no one thinks this actually makes sense. 92.24.146.242 ( talk) 16:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I have not very often come across the term "direct set up" when describing the relationship between a film/series and the next film in terms of storyline. Plus, it damns with faint praise by implying that WandaVision does nothing more than set up the Doctor Strange film. I think a rephrasing would make the article clearer. Airbornemihir ( talk) 03:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
WandaVision, Feige notes, will directly set up the 2022 film Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. It's also the wording used in the Writing subsection "Characters and universe". - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: I also thought about the fact that we have put title sequence information in the design section for other TV articles, but I do think VFX is the correct spot for this paragraph. It has a little bit of design discussion in it, but it is mostly an explanation from the VFX company about their decisions for making the sequence, plus it includes other work that they did on the show. We also would usually put this info in the VFX section of a film article which I think makes sense to emulate here. I don't necessarily think we need to change this for old TV articles, but I do think it is right to put it in VFX here. - adamstom97 ( talk) 20:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
There's a discussion involving this and many other MCU film articles at Talk:Loki (TV series)#"Featuring" vs "Based on" in the opening sentence that may be of interest of watchers of this page. — El Millo ( talk) 03:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Currently the infobox has two website links: one to directly watch the series on Disney+, and one for the show's entry on Disney's official website. At the bottom of the article we have another link that says "Official website" which points to Marvel.com, plus a second link to directly watch the series on Disney+. I'm sure this is an issue at other articles as well, but I thought I would start here to try clear up the confusion before taking the conversation anywhere else it was needed.
I don't think we should be linking to the Disney+ page twice, and if we only have one link I don't think it should be in the infobox's website parameter since that seems like an incorrect characterisation. If we are going to have both the Disney page and the Marvel.com page then we should probably decide which one is the "official website". My feeling is that the Marvel.com page is the actual official website with all the details and news articles that you would expect to be able to find for the show. The Disney page doesn't really contribute anything of use and I don't think we need to link to it. I suggest that we move the Marvel.com link to the website parameter in the infobox, remove the "production website" parameter completely, and in the external links section we just need the link to directly watch the series on Disney+ as well as the IMDb link. Thoughts? - adamstom97 ( talk) 04:49, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
|website=
, the parameter is referring to the official website, then the Marvel.com one should go there, which would leave the Disney+ link for the External links section. —
El Millo (
talk)
05:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)I don't agree. I feel that the Disney+ series has enough information for the series. The Disney+ website is perfect for it so I consider the change unnecessary. Besides Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad have the two links, one for the websote and the other for the website. I don't see the problem of having the disney plus links. Ulises1126 ( talk) 04:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Adamstom.97 you did a wonderful job adding in all the information you did. One of my concerns when I knew you were going to was what that would do for the article size. After your production additions, we are at 77kb "readable prose" (which actually might be more as it doesn't count the cast section), which means we are in the "probably should split" recommendation of WP:SIZESPLIT. Because we probably aren't getting a second season which would help with this (moving to a season 1 article), perhaps we can put some info at the episode articles? I'm looking mainly at the Visual effects section, but maybe some in Costumes, Filming, and Editing. And we could do a straight removal split of some stuff, or split and then reduced the info here to be more general. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Adamstom.97, all, how do you want to proceed? Should we simply insert the proposed section reductions as you or I stated? And for ones where we both put info, I'm sure yours probably reduced in a better sense, know more of what you put at the episode articles. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
So other miniseries like The Queen's Gambit, Chernobyl, and Tiger King use the poster as the main image instead of just the logo. Wouldn't it make sense to do the same for this? Especially since there's no Season 1 article to actually place the poster. It just feels off to me that the official poster doesn't make it anywhere on the site.
Also, I know there's pre-established guidelines about the cast list, but some miniseries like The Defenders use the official credit order regardless of first episode appearance. The main cast has a set order (aside from the alternating leads), they just leave out the ones that aren't in that specific episode.
Same conversation applies to The Falcon and the Winter Soldier of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickh105 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
Currently, the article's (only?) budget source states that the budget per episode is as high as $25 million dollars, which is fine. But this was over a year ago when only 6 episodes were reported, and there is no indication of if the budget is $150 million, for six hours, or $225 million for nine episodes. Therefore, I don't think we can conclude the show's budget since it can go either way, and we should remove it from the table entirely, until a reliable source stating the season's entire budget is found. Hummerrocket (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
i$150 million for six hours, or $225 million for nine episodes. — YoungForever (talk) 02:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
There's a new official clip released by Marvel and Disney where the real names of Norm and Arthur Hart can be seen: Abilash Tandon and Todd Davis. Can we add this? Or is it better to wait a bit? AxGRvS ( talk) 14:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, is there a reason we only mention the amount of 4 episodes in the colum? I apologize in advance if that has already been mentioned and I missed it.
-- Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 23:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
See what you can add. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Paragraph three sentence two "The first three episodes are around 30 minutes each while the remaining episode..." - the second occurence of "episode" refers to 6 episodes and so should be plural - "The first three episodes are around 30 minutes each while the remaining episodes..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.175.135 ( talk) 19:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I know these are minor roles, but Asif Ali (Norm) played character Jesse Fletcher in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 1 episode " Beginning of the End" (it is mentioned in the episode article) and Amos Glick (Dennis) played a waiter in the season 7 episode " The New Deal". I added this with a source (for Ali's appearance. On Glick's case, I haven't found a reliable one despite him appearing in the episode, although it is understandable because is a minor role) but it was reverted for not being notable. As I said, I know these are minor roles, but I consider it is something noticeable when an actor plays more than one character in MCU media, and this was clarified when that happened in other articles. I just want to you to consider this.
Another separate point I want to discuss is how to put Glick's character, "Dennis the Mailman". I know he was credited that way, but Mailman is not a proper name so I think it should not be wrote as that. Again, I corrected that several times in this article and the episodes where he appears but it was always reverted, with the only explanation being "Per credits".
I would thank these points were discussed.
as creditedin MOS:TVCAST. It would be too strict to stick to even the capitalization of the credits in a case such as this one. If it turns out that there's a specific reason why the character is credited as "Dennis the Mailman" that has any type of relevance to the story, apart from just a convention to capitalize credited names as if they were titles, then sure. — El Millo ( talk) 23:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
It may come across as a metaphysical question, but does the fiction actually take place in the 1950s, 1960s, et al.?
Depending on the answer—which in turn depends on assessing the extent of the time reality bending of the lead character and the extent of what " setting" (vs. " theme") actually means, I assume—the current categories Category:Television series set in the 1950s; Category:Television series set in the 1960s; Category:Television series set in the 1970s; Category:Television series set in the 1980s Category:Television series set in the 1990s; Category:Television series set in the 2000s; Category:Television series set in the 2020s may be put into question (other than whatever Earth-199999 decade the Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Four is set in).--Asqueladd ( talk) 03:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Should we call WandaVision the 24th installment and first television series of the MCU? Or should we keep the count to the films only? Are the Marvel Television shows considered canonical anymore? I ask because the Disney+ shows are considered to be at the same level as the films, considering that they are part of Phase Four. TdanTce ( talk) 04:16, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: I appreciate trying to stick to MOS:TVCAST where possible, but I do think there is value in grouping together certain actors to make it easier for the reader to understand since we are using prose rather than an easy-to-read list. I also don't think the commercial actors should really count as part of the proper cast list since they are in their own special category, which is why I think the current format at the episode articles works well where we just include them all at the end of the paragraphs rather than in the same sentence as the other cast members. - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:16, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi, is it possible to reorder the main cast according to each actor place in the credits? I mean, in the following way: Olsen, Bettany, Parris, Rupp (after Parris per episode 2), Melamed, Peters, Park (after Peters per ep. 5), Dennings, and Hahn (credited last in every episode). This was made on the Marvel Netflix shows articles where there were main actors who appeared later but they are put according to their place on the credits. I'm just asking, I don't know if it's a good idea or really doesn't matter. AxGRvS ( talk) 02:30, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
There are examples. In Daredevil, Ayelet Zurer, Vondi Curtis-Hall, and Rosario Dawson appear after episode 1 but they are credited according to their place on the credits, before Vincent D'Onofrio. The same with Luke Cage: Erik LaRey Harvey and Dawson appear later but they are credited before Alfre Woodard, who appeared first. The same happens with Wil Traval in Jessica Jones, with Ramon Rodriguez, Sacha Dhawan, and Dawson in Iron Fist, and also with Ebon Moss-Bachrach in The Punisher. That's why I am asking for this. AxGRvS ( talk) 14:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Completely agree with Marvelous here. The cast list in this article is extremely misleading. Two extremely minor characters are being given more preference over main characters just to follow some dumb guidilne. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 14:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
These "minor" characters received main on end billing on the credits, that's why they are added. AxGRvS ( talk) 15:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Is it worthwhile to mention Stephen Ford working on a pitch based off his tweet for a Jimmy Woo X-Files-type spin off? Because this doesn't seem super concrete at this time, I'm leaning towards no, but wanted discuss it here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Nothing’s set in stone yet and it’s not even confirmed that Ford has landed a proper meeting with Marvel, but from what we can glean from his tweet, he at least seems to have the ear of someone at the studio.So, it doesn't appear official or notable yet. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 18:18, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Now that's we've essentially gone through all the episodes the press have seen and were able to create articles about, how are we feeling about starting new episodes as mainspace articles right upon release? I'm still of the mindset on Fridays, we should begin any article in the draft space, because I am a bit concerned we'll have unique production/commentary bits immediately upon release to justify the article. Anyone else have strong feelings either way on this? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:30, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
If episode 5 turns out to be set in the 80s for the sitcom portion, we have enough material that we can start an episode article right in the mainspace. All the material is housed in my sandbox which can be copied to the article. I'll make a hidden note in the episode table pointing here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Adamstom.97, Trailblazer101, and Facu-el Millo: pinging you all just in case you didn't see my comment above to know material is ready to go for an episode 5 article if the sitcom is the 1980s one. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:02, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Just stating again, if episode 6 is the Halloween/1990s episode, material is again ready in my sandbox to aid an article right upon release. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has a breakdown of various viewership statistics for the first week of the show's release. There will be nielsen data released at some point as well. There is definitely stuff that can be used in here, but I was wondering where we thought the best place for this would be since it mostly applies to the first two episodes but doesn't differentiate between the two. - adamstom97 ( talk) 20:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok so I have a question about the Nielsen ratings. Per the way it is formatted in Variety's article, they say the Nielsen ratings are for the week of Janurary 11-17, and next to each series it gives the total number of episodes available and the minutes. So come the report that will cover the third episode, will the minute data not be technically accurate for just episode three? Because I'm viewing this as Nielsen tracking minutes watched for any available episode of a series in that week. That's why they have the separate list for the "acquired" shows that are on available to stream. If this is the case, how do we go about reporting the info? Also separately, should we include a viewership section here on the main page? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
WandaVision has broke numerous records for a television series, particularly from streaming Disney+. This numbers and analytics need to be added, to explain how many people have watched the show, and still updating it until the final episode arrives. Alvrix3104 ( talk) 16:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
I have not watched this series yet, but this line from the lead sounds wrong from seeing the trailer which makes the series seem to take place in the 1950s: "...[it] takes place after the events of the film Avengers: Endgame (2019)." How is this possible? If it's some sort of spoiler, perhaps it shouldn't be in the lead? RobP ( talk) 02:22, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Chronologically WandaVision is set after Endgame since the end of Episode 1 is set in present day and Episode 4 (Sword PoV) confirmed it is set 3 weeks so not before Endgame Kohcohf ( talk) 05:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Seeing as both Heckner and Dennings were 'cast' as a role in the circus. Should we add that to their charachter summary or leave it be? Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 15:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Could you tell me, please, if the site [1] is a reliable source. Not for the theory, of cource, but for the spoken broadcast itself. Thanks. IKhitron ( talk) 18:45, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
I think we should have an article for Agnes, the main neighbor, because I think she's gonna be an integral character after " Episode 7". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minemaster1337 ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
"It was Agatha who sent Wanda the Pietro imposter and also killed Sparky"
Can this sentence please be changed as it is not understandable.
It should be: "It was Agatha who sent Wanda the imposter posing as Pietro and also killed Sparky" Mighty Asgardian616 ( talk) 09:35, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
I just swapped out the reference used on the article for the
EW recap of episode 5, because it explicitly states how he was "Peter Maximoff" in the X-Men films. However, it also claims that who appeared at the end of the episode is the X-Men film series version, so I think we could readjust his info with this source. Particularly, state something to this affect in the "Cast" section, and not link "Pietro" to the MCU version. -
Favre1fan93 (
talk)
02:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that someone created an article for the X-Men character, Peter Maximoff, including information from WandaVision. YgorD3 ( talk) 08:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
FYI, this is also being discussed at Talk:Peter Maximoff#Factual accuracy.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 13:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request to
WandaVision has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
From:WandaVision premiered with its first two episodes on January 15, 2021, and will run for nine episodes until March 5. It is the first series in Phase Four of the MCU. The series received praise from critics for its sitcom settings and tropes, dark tonal shifts, and the performances of Olsen and Bettany. To: WandaVision premiered with its first two episodes on January 15, 2021, and will run for ten episodes until March 12. It is the first series in Phase Four of the MCU. The series received praise from critics for its sitcom settings and tropes, dark tonal shifts, and the performances of Olsen and Bettany.
This was confirmed by disney with the reveal trailer of the 8th episode: https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1365300587928166408 87.123.204.98 ( talk) 20:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
"Bettany portrays both the original Vision, who, after being killed in Avengers: Infinity War (2018), is reassembled and reactivated by S.W.O.R.D. (Sentient Weapon Observation Response Division), as well as a new version recreated by Wanda within her alternate reality." Is this not a bit of a spoiler for anyone who has not started the series? Azursmile ( talk) 10:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request to
WandaVision has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In: “ WandaVision premiered with its first two episodes on January 15, 2021, and will run for nine episodes until March 5. It is the first series in Phase Four of the MCU. The series received praise from critics for its sitcom settings and tropes, dark tonal shifts, and the performances of Olsen and Bettany.” change “the performances of Olsen and Bettany” to “the performance of Olsen, Bettany, and Hahn”. B101899 ( talk) 19:33, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
"Part loving homage to TV history, part off-kilter mystery, WandaVision is a wonderfully weird and strikingly bold step into the small screen for the MCU—and a perfect showcase for Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany". If you find a reliable source describing praise of Hahn's performance as a notable element of critics' reception of the series, feel free to re-open this request (change "answered=yes" to "answered=no"). Volteer1 ( talk) 06:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Why is the mid credit scene from episode 8 mentioned here, while the same from episode 7 isn't? Anubhab030119 ( talk) 20:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
I added Sophia Gaidarova as the actress portraying young Wanda alongside Michaela Russell, but my edit was reverted because Gaidarova was not portraying the actual Wanda. Can somebody explain me when or where was this confirmed? AxGRvS ( talk) 20:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
No E8 revealed that it was indeed the Stark Industries Bomb that destroyed her and (real) Pietro's home. That was referenced in Age of Ultron when the real Pietro (played by AT-J) mentioned the event to Ultron and implied that was the reason they volunteered for HYDRA. Mighty Asgardian616 ( talk) 04:18, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request to
WandaVision has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The Rotten Tomatoes’s score of the episode 7 is wrong. It’s actually 88% and not 83. 160.155.18.138 ( talk) 19:57, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Since she appeared in 2 episodes at least according to the credits. Should we include her in the guest role section? Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 13:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Is this useful? Though Olsen says in it, "I mean if she could have two fake babies and everyone tell her that they don't really exist, and then her just go nuts—that would be unbelievable, but I don't think they're gonna do that." Kailash29792 (talk) 08:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
why is she 3d billed in this show? aside from the pilot, she's barely in it! and she's a lesser star than parris park or dennings, so it's not like she's being elevated for that reason.
what she more instrumental to the original story, and got edited out or something? 66.30.47.138 ( talk) 08:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Because of her billing in the credits. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
This show is about Wanda, Vision, Monica, Agnes, Jimmy, Darcy, Hayward etc. The first 5 or 6 were brought on the stage flin the comic-con. Whatever this article says doesn't change the fact that Debra and Fred are practically guest stars. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 17:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
"main" cast members are determined by the series producers (not by popularity, screen time, or episode count). In every episode Debra Jo Rupp has appeared she's been credited in the main on end credits. That means the producers determined she's main cast. Now, unless you're secretly a producer on the show, you have no say in this and neither do we. — El Millo ( talk) 17:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Haha, this rusted guy must think he is so "powerful" because he can revert other people to inflict his own nonsense. Carry on with your childish insecurities mate. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 17:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Here comes another "expert". Anubhab030119 ( talk) 18:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
And no, I haven't bothered to read some pointless article on a pointless website. Those rules are for you guys to bark about, doggy. Go fetch. Anubhab030119 ( talk) 18:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Scenarioschrijver20 If this helps, there is no sub-section in the article saying "Main Characters". The cast list is intended to list the actors who received billing in the episodes in which they appeared. Number of episodes does not matter. Curious that you want Debra Jo Rupp to be removed when she appeared in more episodes than Evan Peters. This is contradictory. Again, episode account does not decide that. Let's just follow the official credits of the show. YgorD3 ( talk) 21:00, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I don't know why it was ever left like this, but now that the series is over can we please fix the mess of the recurring/guest characters section? Every other TV show article has this section done as a properly formatted list instead of a jumbled paragraph as we currently have. MarvelousMusician397 ( talk) 06:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
The Episode 8 description indicates "Previously On" is a redirect to the WandaVision page. Since that phrase is used in (in terms of practicality) countless television shows, it seems improper to co-opt it for any one show, whether or not it's the episode title. I'd sooner see "Previously On" point to either a disambig with specific instances or the indicated Recap page with a link to a disambig, and add "Previously On (WandaVision)" as the redirect to here. Morfusmax ( talk) 04:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
it really makes no sense that "Previously On" redirects to this show, instead of redirecting to "Previously on" 157.131.250.246 ( talk) 02:41, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Ulises1126 I have reverted your edits as they are an unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK and split of the music content. I do not see the need for an article that is essentially solely the track lists and individual infoboxes (which are definitely unnecessary), when each episode article is housing the info perfectly fine. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I think because other sites call episode 6 the 90s episode, we should as well. I'm aware some sites abd reviewers call it a 00's episode. But it would be weird if they just skipped a decade. Scenarioschrijver20 ( talk) 20:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I think we need to revisit all the decades for the series and make sure we are being consistent here. I think it is clear that the production considers episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7 to be set in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, even if the influences and homages in each episode do not necessarily line up with that. For instance, we know the first episodes is a 1950s sitcom but it is primarily influenced by the 1960s series The Dick Van Dyke Show. The sixth episode is obviously influenced by Malcolm in the Middle, but we know that the production considers it to be a 1990s sitcom, and the theme song for the seventh episode is literally called "W-V 2000". I think we have gotten quite mixed up in people's opinions of the allusions, including editors here and reviewers/commentators. My proposal is that we treat the "type/setting of sitcom" and the influences as different things. So in the opening lead paragraph, infobox, plot summary, and development section of each episode we use the decade that we know the production used, and then in the second lead paragraph and writing sections we can give all of the influences that we currently have and just tweak the wording depending on if the influences line up exactly with the production decade or not. That way we are being consistent across all the episodes while still providing everything we know about each one. This will hopefully be a good compromise for those who have been unable to agree on the current format as well. - adamstom97 ( talk) 01:40, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The article that you linked to your response claims that Episode 7 Breaking the Fourth Wall is set in the 2010s and not the 2000s. Also, it has been explicitly stated by numerous sources that the majority of the inspiration for Episode 7 came from the sitcom Modern family. Modern Family was not on in the Mid 2000s at all. Modern Family aired it's first episode at the very end of the Late 2000s and continued throughout the 2010s into the 2020s. Other Sitcoms such as The Office and Happy Endings are also mentioned but most sources make it clear that Modern Family is the primary inspiration. Being that the majority of Episode 7's influences are from Modern Family, it seems like Episode 7 would be more representative of the 2010s rather than the 2000s. 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:9524:8E18:CF4A:62A8 ( talk) 23:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
For all the characters listed on this page, we're using their name as given in the series, not the name they are given within the in-universe sitcoms. Evan Peeters' character "Ralph Bhoner" is however the name of this character within the sitcoms, not within the MCUs real world. We should probably clearify this somehow. -- YannickFran ( talk) 18:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I think that the music section for the soundtrack should make use of infoboxes. Some of you may found it unnecessary but I thinks its important to add some additional information to the soundtrack, which I thinks is very important. If you allow me, I won’t have any problem to add the info boxes. Ulises1126 ( talk) 22:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
In the "Music" section where it says "The first two notes of the motif are a major octave, and the last two are a tritone,..." should be changed to something like "The motif consists of an octave, followed by a tritone,...". Octaves in music theory do not have major/minor qualities, and technically the tritone does not happen as the "last two" notes, but rather the 2nd and 3rd notes of the 4-note motif (the last two being a minor second). In the referenced interview the term "full major" is just talking about the overall perception of the song. 98.248.67.46 ( talk) 04:39, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
octave UP, octave DOWN, tritone UP, tritone DOWN, etc? are we talking C4-C5-F#5-G5 or the like? or C5-C4-F#4-G4? (not exactly sure how to write w/o key, i.e. I5-IV#5-V5 etc. perhaps someone who DOES could add it?)
and IS it even obvious? i listened to to all the themes on a loop and still failed to hear any common these. i DID heard the "big ben chimes" in several places, however; i assumed they were talking about that as the "4 notes" until reading the description here. 66.30.47.138 ( talk) 18:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
i do not wish to rehash the "closed" discussion; nor did i even attempt to above before several others MISREAD the quesion, SWORE at me (!), and unilaterally closed the discussion; i am just curious if anyone knows why debra jo rupp was BILLED third in the first place.
NOT why she is listed HERE as such -- i am in full agreement, we follow the CREDITS. just why she was in that position in the FIRST place, given such a minor appearance. she is not notable; to say that she "and fred" were elevated like major stars giving cameos is crazy -- she is not half as famous as parris, park, or dennings even!
is she important in some OTHER way? funding the project? dating the producer?
i cannot find any logical reason she was given special billing. i hope some of the great minds here might know. 66.30.47.138 ( talk) 17:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey Adamstom.97 I like the work you did. I'm just looking it over and feeling if we might need to fine tune it a bit more. My main concern is the information about grief, particularly how the series is structured to follow the stages of grief, is not in the "Structure" subsection. But it also works where you have it in the "Character" subsection, so maybe we need to rethink headings? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
You're missing a nomination for the 2021 MTV Movie & TV Awards in Best Musical Moment for the song Agatha All Along . Movieknower59 ( talk) 03:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I mean the fact that two barely even recurring characters get third and fourth billing because they appeared in the first episode in which there were barely any characters besides the two leads, i just think we need to come up with better mother truckin rules tbh, usually it isn't THIS bad but there should be some exceptions when it comes to stuff like this, deep down no one thinks this actually makes sense. 92.24.146.242 ( talk) 16:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I have not very often come across the term "direct set up" when describing the relationship between a film/series and the next film in terms of storyline. Plus, it damns with faint praise by implying that WandaVision does nothing more than set up the Doctor Strange film. I think a rephrasing would make the article clearer. Airbornemihir ( talk) 03:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
WandaVision, Feige notes, will directly set up the 2022 film Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. It's also the wording used in the Writing subsection "Characters and universe". - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: I also thought about the fact that we have put title sequence information in the design section for other TV articles, but I do think VFX is the correct spot for this paragraph. It has a little bit of design discussion in it, but it is mostly an explanation from the VFX company about their decisions for making the sequence, plus it includes other work that they did on the show. We also would usually put this info in the VFX section of a film article which I think makes sense to emulate here. I don't necessarily think we need to change this for old TV articles, but I do think it is right to put it in VFX here. - adamstom97 ( talk) 20:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
There's a discussion involving this and many other MCU film articles at Talk:Loki (TV series)#"Featuring" vs "Based on" in the opening sentence that may be of interest of watchers of this page. — El Millo ( talk) 03:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Currently the infobox has two website links: one to directly watch the series on Disney+, and one for the show's entry on Disney's official website. At the bottom of the article we have another link that says "Official website" which points to Marvel.com, plus a second link to directly watch the series on Disney+. I'm sure this is an issue at other articles as well, but I thought I would start here to try clear up the confusion before taking the conversation anywhere else it was needed.
I don't think we should be linking to the Disney+ page twice, and if we only have one link I don't think it should be in the infobox's website parameter since that seems like an incorrect characterisation. If we are going to have both the Disney page and the Marvel.com page then we should probably decide which one is the "official website". My feeling is that the Marvel.com page is the actual official website with all the details and news articles that you would expect to be able to find for the show. The Disney page doesn't really contribute anything of use and I don't think we need to link to it. I suggest that we move the Marvel.com link to the website parameter in the infobox, remove the "production website" parameter completely, and in the external links section we just need the link to directly watch the series on Disney+ as well as the IMDb link. Thoughts? - adamstom97 ( talk) 04:49, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
|website=
, the parameter is referring to the official website, then the Marvel.com one should go there, which would leave the Disney+ link for the External links section. —
El Millo (
talk)
05:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)I don't agree. I feel that the Disney+ series has enough information for the series. The Disney+ website is perfect for it so I consider the change unnecessary. Besides Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad have the two links, one for the websote and the other for the website. I don't see the problem of having the disney plus links. Ulises1126 ( talk) 04:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Adamstom.97 you did a wonderful job adding in all the information you did. One of my concerns when I knew you were going to was what that would do for the article size. After your production additions, we are at 77kb "readable prose" (which actually might be more as it doesn't count the cast section), which means we are in the "probably should split" recommendation of WP:SIZESPLIT. Because we probably aren't getting a second season which would help with this (moving to a season 1 article), perhaps we can put some info at the episode articles? I'm looking mainly at the Visual effects section, but maybe some in Costumes, Filming, and Editing. And we could do a straight removal split of some stuff, or split and then reduced the info here to be more general. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Adamstom.97, all, how do you want to proceed? Should we simply insert the proposed section reductions as you or I stated? And for ones where we both put info, I'm sure yours probably reduced in a better sense, know more of what you put at the episode articles. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
So other miniseries like The Queen's Gambit, Chernobyl, and Tiger King use the poster as the main image instead of just the logo. Wouldn't it make sense to do the same for this? Especially since there's no Season 1 article to actually place the poster. It just feels off to me that the official poster doesn't make it anywhere on the site.
Also, I know there's pre-established guidelines about the cast list, but some miniseries like The Defenders use the official credit order regardless of first episode appearance. The main cast has a set order (aside from the alternating leads), they just leave out the ones that aren't in that specific episode.
Same conversation applies to The Falcon and the Winter Soldier of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickh105 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)