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There has been much dispute as to whether Walthamstow should be classified as being located in East London or North London[citation needed], as although it carries the E17 postcode, it has many of the characteristics of being situated in the North. Judging by maps of London, it is actually further north than other boroughs that carry the N_ postcode - namely Hackney. .
....now we all know that Hackney has an E8 postcode, and Homerton E9... it's only Stoke Newington and Stamford Hill that have the N16. It is quite clear that Walthamstow is "East London" so can we please delete this ?? -- IsarSteve 23:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. could somebody explain what many of the characteristics of being situated in the North means.
I don't think there's any doubt from the people who were born here that this is east London Jannahred ( talk) 00:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Walthamstow is in North East London and should be shown as such. The reference point isn't whether residents think they are in East London, nor what the post code it is it is where it sits on a compass.
If you were to describe its location to someone who didn't know London at all the best geographical description is to say NE London. This page needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E17phil ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
'E or NE?'
I favour East, I think it has a better case – but there’s no definitive or ‘correct’ answer. We can look at it in terms of area\place and also compass points.
The ‘East’ is an established place\area in the same way as North London and other areas. I don’t think it could be argued that Walthamstow is anything other than ‘East’ in that respect. You rarely hear the NE of London spoken of a place in its own right, it’s typically E or N etc.
In terms of compass points, yes certainly it’s in the NE, but you could also say (less specifically) that it’s the E or the N. Indeed E London (the place) could be described as the NE of London.
There’s no definitive answer but I would add the recently added link to sub-regions intended to support the NE point of view, actually does the reverse and supports the view that Walthamstow is in the E.
East London clearly includes Waltham Forest in the description and supporting information. Maybe challenge that page, rather than Walthamstow? Jonnyspeed20 ( talk) 03:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, the section added by an anon on Walthamstow market should be deleted, or at least radically amended. It reads like an incoherent entry from a tourist brochure and is full of trivia. I'd rather see the opinions of others before taking an axe to it myself. -- Lancevortex 10:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
The market is important, but I agree that the section is full of trivia and more like a tourist guide. Please edit it down. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 11:16, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
The market is open 5 days a week, not 6, being closed sunday and monday. Jannahred ( talk) 21:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok I waited for a response and as there was non, I edited the article myself, hope that's ok! -- Jannahred ( talk) 22:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
What is the policy behind the 'location', in particular the GPS coordinates. The numbers given are way down next to Leyton Orient football ground, hardly central for Waltham Forest, and not even in Walthamstow. The Town Hall be a better bet for marking the town's location, at approximately 51.591000,-0.013500 (sitting five time zones away using Google Maps). ByteofKnowledge 13:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Also on the subject of location, perhaps a note about the meridian plaque on Wood Street would be a good addition if it is still there. I think it is approximately at 51.583500 n, 0 w. ByteofKnowledge 13:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC).
Sure I seen one on Forest Road past the Wood Street opening going towards Woodford, between 1 to 2 months ago, not sure about Wood Street Jannahred ( talk) 00:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I had never heard of Lethal Bizzle so I looked him up. He is a rap artist and judging by 425,000 results on Google clearly well known. Just shows. I put the Telegraph reference in, but it's just an opinion piece, if anyone thinks that is inappropriate feel free to delete it or move it here. There is a response to David Cameron's comments about LB here ProfDEH ( talk) 14:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe this section needs splitting into properly notable and also-rans. Who is David Tibet for example? Yes he is on Wikipedia, but try a Google search. It turns out "Tibet is the guiding force of paramusical Christian Apocalyptic group CURRENT NINETY THREE". Just not in the same league as the true notables on the list: Disraeli, William Morris, Vivian Stanshall. The article previously had a media section and I suggest that is needed for the footballers, bass players and soap actors? ProfDEH ( talk) 07:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Traditionally the market is a mile long, but that is not an accurate measurement. The Ordnance Survey map has a 1 km grid and the market street, measured against the grid, is about 1.1 km (0.68 miles). User:Northmetpit changed the figure from 1.2 km to 0.56km which does not see right. Does anyone have an accurate way of measuring? ProfDEH ( talk) 19:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe the market would extend to the ends, if there were enough stalls, this is surely something that will alter according to whether more people apply for or give up their stalls and therefore how can you only give one measurement? Jannahred ( talk) 21:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should not have those mini stalls in the market. Please comment? comment added by Zyree ( talk
The entries in this section strike me as being particularly un-noteworthy. Are they worth keeping? Lancevortex ( talk) 14:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
HHhhmm did we get a choice??? I think it's usual to add these to the piece, and maybe partly so people can look out for those things. I have been reading this page as I used to live in this area, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harringay#Historical_outline, I prefer the way it's done to our area, seems more well thought out and researched. Maybe it's been going longer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jannahred ( talk • contribs) 00:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC) I forgot to sign the last comment Jannahred ( talk) 00:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The article notes 1926 as being the date of incorporation as a municipal borough - the date is 1929 as referenced in the 8th edition of the Borough Official Guide, by George Bosworth, published by the Council in 1935. Mikeya ( talk) 05:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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The article is a bit of a mess, maybe I will try to edit the text a bit over the holiday and try to find some better images to replace the ones that look like they were taken on a Nokia brickphone circe 2000. It might be a good idea too, to remove the gallery altogether and just have images that relate to the text. I think that would be in line with guidelines. And while I'm at it, I made all the images a standard thumb size i.e. no pixel size specified, so they all line up nicely but the actual size is controlled by the user's preference. I'm not sure which is right but having some of each wasn't working. Views? ProfDEH ( talk) 19:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Walthamstow is in London and Waltham Forest. Having Essex in the first sentence is misleading and confusing. I have moved the historic areas to the second paragraph (as with Leyton, Leytonstone, Wanstead and Chingford). An editor is obsessed with having historic Essex in the first sentence of the lede... let's stick with the simplest and current: London + Borough. Then have a whole paragraph on the history? We wouldn't open an article on Soho with "Henry VII's hunting park in Lundenwic, in the historic county of Middlesex" when it is obviously an area of the West End of London that adjoins Oxford Street and China Town Jonnyspeed20 ( talk) 20:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
User:PlatinumClipper96 Please discuss your persistent edits to delete the London Borough and insert HC of Essex. This talk topic has been open since August. Jonnyspeed20 ( talk) 18:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
LDas12345 please could you explain why you are changing all mention of Walthamstow as a town to be either a district or suburb? It would be useful to understand the reasoning. Please could you also use edit summaries to describe what you are doing. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 17:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
It will draw together existing services, such as the X140 and X26 that serve Heathrow, with proposed new orbital routes linking town centres such as Harrow and North Finchley, and North Finchley with Walthamstow- Evening Standard 28 March 2023. Which would all be very well, but is it cherry picked? No. A search on Newspapers.com shows thousands of mentions of Walthamstow town every year. A lot are not relevant, but it is easy to show that Walthamstow is very commonly referred to as a town. It is referred to this way in books too, and then you have publications like this [5], a consultation report specifically talking about the town centre. London is made up of many such towns. Walthamstow has a town hall (now called Waltham Forest Town Hall) and town centre. The district is Waltham Forest, and post towns do not map exactly to towns. I think town is best, suburb and district are wrong, urban area is too vague. This will apply for many other of London's towns. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 19:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Is it necessary to note that a citation is needed when the citation is on the page referenced? For example,
You can verify info on Steve Bell by clicking on "Steve Bell (cartoonist)" and that will erase the need for the citation. If the external citation page changes, then every Wikipedia page that uses the reference will also need to change, which isn't ideal. StewE17 ( talk) 16:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Sirfurboy, how is it unnecessary to mention the diversity of Walthamstow? it's true that East London is ethnically diverse. 2A02:C7C:B459:F500:3C2B:C231:C7EF:D921 ( talk) 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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I'm not happy with........
There has been much dispute as to whether Walthamstow should be classified as being located in East London or North London[citation needed], as although it carries the E17 postcode, it has many of the characteristics of being situated in the North. Judging by maps of London, it is actually further north than other boroughs that carry the N_ postcode - namely Hackney. .
....now we all know that Hackney has an E8 postcode, and Homerton E9... it's only Stoke Newington and Stamford Hill that have the N16. It is quite clear that Walthamstow is "East London" so can we please delete this ?? -- IsarSteve 23:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. could somebody explain what many of the characteristics of being situated in the North means.
I don't think there's any doubt from the people who were born here that this is east London Jannahred ( talk) 00:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Walthamstow is in North East London and should be shown as such. The reference point isn't whether residents think they are in East London, nor what the post code it is it is where it sits on a compass.
If you were to describe its location to someone who didn't know London at all the best geographical description is to say NE London. This page needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E17phil ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
'E or NE?'
I favour East, I think it has a better case – but there’s no definitive or ‘correct’ answer. We can look at it in terms of area\place and also compass points.
The ‘East’ is an established place\area in the same way as North London and other areas. I don’t think it could be argued that Walthamstow is anything other than ‘East’ in that respect. You rarely hear the NE of London spoken of a place in its own right, it’s typically E or N etc.
In terms of compass points, yes certainly it’s in the NE, but you could also say (less specifically) that it’s the E or the N. Indeed E London (the place) could be described as the NE of London.
There’s no definitive answer but I would add the recently added link to sub-regions intended to support the NE point of view, actually does the reverse and supports the view that Walthamstow is in the E.
East London clearly includes Waltham Forest in the description and supporting information. Maybe challenge that page, rather than Walthamstow? Jonnyspeed20 ( talk) 03:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, the section added by an anon on Walthamstow market should be deleted, or at least radically amended. It reads like an incoherent entry from a tourist brochure and is full of trivia. I'd rather see the opinions of others before taking an axe to it myself. -- Lancevortex 10:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
The market is important, but I agree that the section is full of trivia and more like a tourist guide. Please edit it down. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 11:16, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
The market is open 5 days a week, not 6, being closed sunday and monday. Jannahred ( talk) 21:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok I waited for a response and as there was non, I edited the article myself, hope that's ok! -- Jannahred ( talk) 22:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
What is the policy behind the 'location', in particular the GPS coordinates. The numbers given are way down next to Leyton Orient football ground, hardly central for Waltham Forest, and not even in Walthamstow. The Town Hall be a better bet for marking the town's location, at approximately 51.591000,-0.013500 (sitting five time zones away using Google Maps). ByteofKnowledge 13:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Also on the subject of location, perhaps a note about the meridian plaque on Wood Street would be a good addition if it is still there. I think it is approximately at 51.583500 n, 0 w. ByteofKnowledge 13:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC).
Sure I seen one on Forest Road past the Wood Street opening going towards Woodford, between 1 to 2 months ago, not sure about Wood Street Jannahred ( talk) 00:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I had never heard of Lethal Bizzle so I looked him up. He is a rap artist and judging by 425,000 results on Google clearly well known. Just shows. I put the Telegraph reference in, but it's just an opinion piece, if anyone thinks that is inappropriate feel free to delete it or move it here. There is a response to David Cameron's comments about LB here ProfDEH ( talk) 14:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe this section needs splitting into properly notable and also-rans. Who is David Tibet for example? Yes he is on Wikipedia, but try a Google search. It turns out "Tibet is the guiding force of paramusical Christian Apocalyptic group CURRENT NINETY THREE". Just not in the same league as the true notables on the list: Disraeli, William Morris, Vivian Stanshall. The article previously had a media section and I suggest that is needed for the footballers, bass players and soap actors? ProfDEH ( talk) 07:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Traditionally the market is a mile long, but that is not an accurate measurement. The Ordnance Survey map has a 1 km grid and the market street, measured against the grid, is about 1.1 km (0.68 miles). User:Northmetpit changed the figure from 1.2 km to 0.56km which does not see right. Does anyone have an accurate way of measuring? ProfDEH ( talk) 19:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe the market would extend to the ends, if there were enough stalls, this is surely something that will alter according to whether more people apply for or give up their stalls and therefore how can you only give one measurement? Jannahred ( talk) 21:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should not have those mini stalls in the market. Please comment? comment added by Zyree ( talk
The entries in this section strike me as being particularly un-noteworthy. Are they worth keeping? Lancevortex ( talk) 14:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
HHhhmm did we get a choice??? I think it's usual to add these to the piece, and maybe partly so people can look out for those things. I have been reading this page as I used to live in this area, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harringay#Historical_outline, I prefer the way it's done to our area, seems more well thought out and researched. Maybe it's been going longer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jannahred ( talk • contribs) 00:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC) I forgot to sign the last comment Jannahred ( talk) 00:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The article notes 1926 as being the date of incorporation as a municipal borough - the date is 1929 as referenced in the 8th edition of the Borough Official Guide, by George Bosworth, published by the Council in 1935. Mikeya ( talk) 05:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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The article is a bit of a mess, maybe I will try to edit the text a bit over the holiday and try to find some better images to replace the ones that look like they were taken on a Nokia brickphone circe 2000. It might be a good idea too, to remove the gallery altogether and just have images that relate to the text. I think that would be in line with guidelines. And while I'm at it, I made all the images a standard thumb size i.e. no pixel size specified, so they all line up nicely but the actual size is controlled by the user's preference. I'm not sure which is right but having some of each wasn't working. Views? ProfDEH ( talk) 19:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Walthamstow is in London and Waltham Forest. Having Essex in the first sentence is misleading and confusing. I have moved the historic areas to the second paragraph (as with Leyton, Leytonstone, Wanstead and Chingford). An editor is obsessed with having historic Essex in the first sentence of the lede... let's stick with the simplest and current: London + Borough. Then have a whole paragraph on the history? We wouldn't open an article on Soho with "Henry VII's hunting park in Lundenwic, in the historic county of Middlesex" when it is obviously an area of the West End of London that adjoins Oxford Street and China Town Jonnyspeed20 ( talk) 20:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
User:PlatinumClipper96 Please discuss your persistent edits to delete the London Borough and insert HC of Essex. This talk topic has been open since August. Jonnyspeed20 ( talk) 18:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
LDas12345 please could you explain why you are changing all mention of Walthamstow as a town to be either a district or suburb? It would be useful to understand the reasoning. Please could you also use edit summaries to describe what you are doing. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 17:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
It will draw together existing services, such as the X140 and X26 that serve Heathrow, with proposed new orbital routes linking town centres such as Harrow and North Finchley, and North Finchley with Walthamstow- Evening Standard 28 March 2023. Which would all be very well, but is it cherry picked? No. A search on Newspapers.com shows thousands of mentions of Walthamstow town every year. A lot are not relevant, but it is easy to show that Walthamstow is very commonly referred to as a town. It is referred to this way in books too, and then you have publications like this [5], a consultation report specifically talking about the town centre. London is made up of many such towns. Walthamstow has a town hall (now called Waltham Forest Town Hall) and town centre. The district is Waltham Forest, and post towns do not map exactly to towns. I think town is best, suburb and district are wrong, urban area is too vague. This will apply for many other of London's towns. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 19:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Is it necessary to note that a citation is needed when the citation is on the page referenced? For example,
You can verify info on Steve Bell by clicking on "Steve Bell (cartoonist)" and that will erase the need for the citation. If the external citation page changes, then every Wikipedia page that uses the reference will also need to change, which isn't ideal. StewE17 ( talk) 16:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
References
Sirfurboy, how is it unnecessary to mention the diversity of Walthamstow? it's true that East London is ethnically diverse. 2A02:C7C:B459:F500:3C2B:C231:C7EF:D921 ( talk) 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)