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The result of the move request was: Moved to Walt Disney World Mike Cline ( talk) 11:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Walt Disney World Resort →
Disney World – For the same reason we use
Bill Clinton (not
William Jefferson Clinton),
Guinea pig (not
Cavia porcellus),
United Kingdom (not
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), etc., etc. as the titles of those articles:
WP:COMMONNAME. Per
the Google test, "Disney World" gets about 10x as many hits as "Walt Disney World Resort". Clearly the topic of this article is primary for
Disney World since it redirects here, so there is no reason to not use the much more common,
natural, recognizable and concise name.
Born2cycle (
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19:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. DrKiernan ( talk) 17:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Walt Disney World →
Walt Disney World Resort – Walt Disney World Resort is the official name of the complex; moving the page to Walt Disney World appeared to have much opposition. Disneyland is titled by its official name, Disneyland Resort. There was no need to have moved it in the first place, because the article had been named Walt Disney World Resort for a while.
75.130.102.69 (
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15:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
i don't understand why aulani resort is mentionned on the walt disney world complex, it's a particular restort nothing to do with it
( 83.154.127.99 ( talk) 15:02, 20 April 2013 (UTC))
Why is there no section on the union representation in Disney on this article?
This is a significant aspect of the workplace and certainly deserves mention at least, if not its own section KurtFF8 ( talk) 16:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I changed the number of categories in resorts from five to four due to there only being 4 levels. Minor edit, of an error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Momentumlost ( talk • contribs) 05:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Has anyone actually read the Sac Bee article ( archive.org link here) that is being used to source the second half of this edit, that people are edit warring over? (The first half, about IT outsourcing, is discussed above. I'm talking about the second half, about Disney's homeless minimum wage employees living in hotels.
The claim that "Many of the employees at Disney World are paid minimum wage" isn't even true, according to the source. The Sac Bee article ( archive.org link here) says that starting pay at Disney World was $8.03/hour. Minimum wage in Florida in 2014 was $7.93. (Subsequent to this article, Florida minimum wage has gone up to $8.05 and Disney's minimum pay has gone up to $10/hour.) So it's completely false to say "Many of the employees at Disney World are paid minimum wage" - that is not true now and was not true in 2014.
And the claim that there are "up to 1,216 families of Disney employees are living in budget hotels" is positively absurd. That's kinda like saying, "Person XYZ has murdered up to 10 billion people." Actually, he has murdered zero people, but zero is a number that is up to 10 billion. According to the ( source), there were an estimated 1,216 homeless households with children in the county in which Disney World is located. Some of those 1,216 homeless households have both parents unemployed. Some have one parent working. Some have both working. Some, it is possible, might work for Disney World. Others might work for McDonald's. Others might be running a meth lab. To say there are up to 1,216 working for Disney is absurd - the actual article doesn't tell us how many work for Disney.
If you actually read the article, it doesn't have a thing in this world to do with Disney other than that Disney is a big employer in the area. The article does not say that there are Disney employees living in hotels, nor even if there is a SINGLE BLESSED ONE. It would be nice to read the source before edit warring over inclusion of the passage. -- B ( talk) 23:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Two items were added recently to the Employment section of the article, one saying many employees make minimum wage and are forced to live in nearby motels as there are apparently no shelters in the immediate area, and the other was a story about how employees were laid off, but after they had trained their foreign replacements. Both of these appear to be an attempt to link Disney to a hot button issue, and that is just one reason why they should be removed. The other reason these items were removed was because these additions do not represent a unique situation that is occurring just at Disney.
It's no secret that Disney hires a number of workers at minimum wage, as do many other businesses around the country for entry-level and minimum-skill positions, and I would also surmise that a number of them will find themselves without affordable housing. While unfortunate and in need of change, Disney's not alone and shouldn't be singled out. The same goes for the apparent trend of companies replacing IT workers with foreign replacements, after the soon-to-be-unemployed worker trains the new contract hires. This article appeared almost a year ago, and this story appeared over three years ago. Again, this isn't new, and there's no reason to single out Disney unless the intent is to shame them in a high-traffic article.
I would recommend that these edits be added into articles about the minimum wage and about H1-B visas, since these would be examples that would bolster the discussion of those subjects more than it would do so here, where the statements would be giving excessive coverage to something that affects many other companies besides Disney.
-- McDoob AU93 03:07, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
For an example of what WOULD be a unique situation, look at the problems with SeaWorld. Blackfish did a number on them, warranted or otherwise, primarily because the animal in question currently resides at one of the company's parks, and its most recent incident (the one that all but inspired Blackfish) occurred in one of its parks. That's where coverage of a news story would indeed be warranted, as it is very unique to SeaWorld. If someone could explain why these stories are unique to Disney, I'd be more agreeable to having the information remain in the article. Without that, it fails WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTNEWS. -- McDoob AU93 21:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't think this should be included because it's not unique to Disney World and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article (everyone's minimum wage workers struggle if they are raising a family on it, every big company has had laid off people in the unenviable position of training their replacement). The language is biased and comes from the media and their advocacy - we're supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia. (IT workers are not "forced" to train their replacements. They can leave any time they want to. My employer does not "force" me to do my job - if I don't like it, I can leave. This isn't 100 years ago when you were chained to a sewing machine.) --
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The section, Project's secrecy, needs to be rewritten due to the fact that almost the entire section is taken word for word from the Orlando Sentinel article, Disney Pulled Strings So Mouse Moved In With Barely A Squeak. Either the whole section should be in quotation marks, or it needs to be redone so that it is not plagiarizing. Elisfkc ( talk) 17:55, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
User:Cindarella WDW, out of curiosity, where did you get the number for total acres? I can only find places that say that it's over 25,000 acres or roughly 40 square miles. Elisfkc ( talk) 18:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems that this talk page is too long/very dated. As such, I have enabled ClueBot III's sequentially numbered archives for this page. Elisfkc ( talk) 19:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Is there any way that someone could add the closings of the resort due to hurricanes/tropical storms or other major events? Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) ( talk) 16:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
1) Sept. 4 and 5, 1999 Hurricane Frances (considered one closure for both days)
2) Sept. 15, 1999 Hurricane Floyd
- September 11, 2001 emergency evacuation
3) Sept. 26, 2004 Hurricane Jeanne
4) October 7, 2016 Hurricane Matthew
Thank you for the suggestion!
ihafez
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20:51, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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According to InsidetheMagic, Disney is no longer use selfie sticks. [1] Now talk a look and see it at Selfie Sticks banned at all Walt Disney World theme parks on YouTube 97.73.150.149 ( talk) 08:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)Joshua Raymond Hahn
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I'm going to propose that Disney Global Security be merged into either Walt Disney World or Disneyland Resort. I am unsure of the merit Disney Global Security has as its own page as compared to a piece of the mentioned pages, since the content can be easily explained in the other page(s). This is also missing information about the rest of The Walt Disney Company Security. This focus on one segment of the company, and the question of merit as its own page lead me to this. Neo12345292 ( talk) 07:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
This link has a lot to mention about Walt Disney World: https://archive.org/stream/thegamesmachine-26/TheGamesMachine_26_Jan_1990#page/n13 Deltasim ( talk) 08:56, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
I believe that no reopening date should be mentioned for the resort because firstly I think this is misinformation if we put one date on there and change the date when we get closer to reopening. The other reason is per WP:CRYSTAL which I think is relevant in the current state of the world with COVID-19 which is making it hard to predict things like when the parks will reopen, We're not crystal ball and neither do we have one and including an opening date makes it look like that we have one, I believe that we should not and must not include any dates.I have also seen various new sites report that CM's are not scheduled in past April 1st either: https://comicbook.com/irl/2020/03/24/disney-world-cant-open-april-1-orlando-coronavirus-lockdown/ https://wdwnt.com/2020/03/update-orange-county-clarifies-walt-disney-world-cant-open-until-at-least-april-9th-in-reaction-to-public-confusion/
Current sources are saying that Disney World reopen on April 9th but I think that could get extended so until we have some further confirmation closer to April 9 I believe that we should just say " closed until further notice" in case we get a new date closer to April 9, (or the announced opening date) to see if there is another extension to the closure before including it on the page.
Pepper Gaming ( talk) 03:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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Why is Bonnet Creek listed as an *on-site* non-Disney resort? According to the article itself (and various other sources) the Bonnet Creek Resort is not actually on Disney owned property. It was a piece of land Disney was unable to buy and it was eventually sold to another developer and developed into the resort. This is distinct from other genuine on-site non-Disney hotels where Disney owns the land and leases it to other companies/organizations. Kidburla ( talk) 10:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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The article states "The property covers nearly 25,000 acres" but I measured it on Acme Planimeter and I find only around 17,000 acres. There may have been some small differences in borders compared to the outline I drew but I don't think it will be so massive as to account for a difference of 8,000 acres, as the property is bordered on most sides by known non-Disney property (e.g. the Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress) or some non-Disney public land such as Bear Bay and Cypress Creek Swamp. I checked the source given and the exact quote from that source is "The Walt Disney Company acquired more than 25,000 acres in Central Florida and after seven years of preparation, including 52 months of construction, the first of four theme parks-Magic Kingdom Park--opened in 1971". This only says that it was 25,000 acres when the park first opened in 1971; I think the Disney company must have sold some land since then. I am not sure how to re-word as the source does not say that the land was sold, but it also does not say that it's still 25,000 acres even today (40 years after the resort opened). Kidburla ( talk) 20:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved to Walt Disney World Mike Cline ( talk) 11:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Walt Disney World Resort →
Disney World – For the same reason we use
Bill Clinton (not
William Jefferson Clinton),
Guinea pig (not
Cavia porcellus),
United Kingdom (not
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), etc., etc. as the titles of those articles:
WP:COMMONNAME. Per
the Google test, "Disney World" gets about 10x as many hits as "Walt Disney World Resort". Clearly the topic of this article is primary for
Disney World since it redirects here, so there is no reason to not use the much more common,
natural, recognizable and concise name.
Born2cycle (
talk)
19:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. DrKiernan ( talk) 17:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Walt Disney World →
Walt Disney World Resort – Walt Disney World Resort is the official name of the complex; moving the page to Walt Disney World appeared to have much opposition. Disneyland is titled by its official name, Disneyland Resort. There was no need to have moved it in the first place, because the article had been named Walt Disney World Resort for a while.
75.130.102.69 (
talk)
15:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
i don't understand why aulani resort is mentionned on the walt disney world complex, it's a particular restort nothing to do with it
( 83.154.127.99 ( talk) 15:02, 20 April 2013 (UTC))
Why is there no section on the union representation in Disney on this article?
This is a significant aspect of the workplace and certainly deserves mention at least, if not its own section KurtFF8 ( talk) 16:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I changed the number of categories in resorts from five to four due to there only being 4 levels. Minor edit, of an error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Momentumlost ( talk • contribs) 05:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Has anyone actually read the Sac Bee article ( archive.org link here) that is being used to source the second half of this edit, that people are edit warring over? (The first half, about IT outsourcing, is discussed above. I'm talking about the second half, about Disney's homeless minimum wage employees living in hotels.
The claim that "Many of the employees at Disney World are paid minimum wage" isn't even true, according to the source. The Sac Bee article ( archive.org link here) says that starting pay at Disney World was $8.03/hour. Minimum wage in Florida in 2014 was $7.93. (Subsequent to this article, Florida minimum wage has gone up to $8.05 and Disney's minimum pay has gone up to $10/hour.) So it's completely false to say "Many of the employees at Disney World are paid minimum wage" - that is not true now and was not true in 2014.
And the claim that there are "up to 1,216 families of Disney employees are living in budget hotels" is positively absurd. That's kinda like saying, "Person XYZ has murdered up to 10 billion people." Actually, he has murdered zero people, but zero is a number that is up to 10 billion. According to the ( source), there were an estimated 1,216 homeless households with children in the county in which Disney World is located. Some of those 1,216 homeless households have both parents unemployed. Some have one parent working. Some have both working. Some, it is possible, might work for Disney World. Others might work for McDonald's. Others might be running a meth lab. To say there are up to 1,216 working for Disney is absurd - the actual article doesn't tell us how many work for Disney.
If you actually read the article, it doesn't have a thing in this world to do with Disney other than that Disney is a big employer in the area. The article does not say that there are Disney employees living in hotels, nor even if there is a SINGLE BLESSED ONE. It would be nice to read the source before edit warring over inclusion of the passage. -- B ( talk) 23:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Two items were added recently to the Employment section of the article, one saying many employees make minimum wage and are forced to live in nearby motels as there are apparently no shelters in the immediate area, and the other was a story about how employees were laid off, but after they had trained their foreign replacements. Both of these appear to be an attempt to link Disney to a hot button issue, and that is just one reason why they should be removed. The other reason these items were removed was because these additions do not represent a unique situation that is occurring just at Disney.
It's no secret that Disney hires a number of workers at minimum wage, as do many other businesses around the country for entry-level and minimum-skill positions, and I would also surmise that a number of them will find themselves without affordable housing. While unfortunate and in need of change, Disney's not alone and shouldn't be singled out. The same goes for the apparent trend of companies replacing IT workers with foreign replacements, after the soon-to-be-unemployed worker trains the new contract hires. This article appeared almost a year ago, and this story appeared over three years ago. Again, this isn't new, and there's no reason to single out Disney unless the intent is to shame them in a high-traffic article.
I would recommend that these edits be added into articles about the minimum wage and about H1-B visas, since these would be examples that would bolster the discussion of those subjects more than it would do so here, where the statements would be giving excessive coverage to something that affects many other companies besides Disney.
-- McDoob AU93 03:07, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
For an example of what WOULD be a unique situation, look at the problems with SeaWorld. Blackfish did a number on them, warranted or otherwise, primarily because the animal in question currently resides at one of the company's parks, and its most recent incident (the one that all but inspired Blackfish) occurred in one of its parks. That's where coverage of a news story would indeed be warranted, as it is very unique to SeaWorld. If someone could explain why these stories are unique to Disney, I'd be more agreeable to having the information remain in the article. Without that, it fails WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTNEWS. -- McDoob AU93 21:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't think this should be included because it's not unique to Disney World and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article (everyone's minimum wage workers struggle if they are raising a family on it, every big company has had laid off people in the unenviable position of training their replacement). The language is biased and comes from the media and their advocacy - we're supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia. (IT workers are not "forced" to train their replacements. They can leave any time they want to. My employer does not "force" me to do my job - if I don't like it, I can leave. This isn't 100 years ago when you were chained to a sewing machine.) --
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The section, Project's secrecy, needs to be rewritten due to the fact that almost the entire section is taken word for word from the Orlando Sentinel article, Disney Pulled Strings So Mouse Moved In With Barely A Squeak. Either the whole section should be in quotation marks, or it needs to be redone so that it is not plagiarizing. Elisfkc ( talk) 17:55, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
User:Cindarella WDW, out of curiosity, where did you get the number for total acres? I can only find places that say that it's over 25,000 acres or roughly 40 square miles. Elisfkc ( talk) 18:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems that this talk page is too long/very dated. As such, I have enabled ClueBot III's sequentially numbered archives for this page. Elisfkc ( talk) 19:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Is there any way that someone could add the closings of the resort due to hurricanes/tropical storms or other major events? Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) ( talk) 16:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
1) Sept. 4 and 5, 1999 Hurricane Frances (considered one closure for both days)
2) Sept. 15, 1999 Hurricane Floyd
- September 11, 2001 emergency evacuation
3) Sept. 26, 2004 Hurricane Jeanne
4) October 7, 2016 Hurricane Matthew
Thank you for the suggestion!
ihafez
talk
20:51, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
References
According to InsidetheMagic, Disney is no longer use selfie sticks. [1] Now talk a look and see it at Selfie Sticks banned at all Walt Disney World theme parks on YouTube 97.73.150.149 ( talk) 08:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)Joshua Raymond Hahn
References
I'm going to propose that Disney Global Security be merged into either Walt Disney World or Disneyland Resort. I am unsure of the merit Disney Global Security has as its own page as compared to a piece of the mentioned pages, since the content can be easily explained in the other page(s). This is also missing information about the rest of The Walt Disney Company Security. This focus on one segment of the company, and the question of merit as its own page lead me to this. Neo12345292 ( talk) 07:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
This link has a lot to mention about Walt Disney World: https://archive.org/stream/thegamesmachine-26/TheGamesMachine_26_Jan_1990#page/n13 Deltasim ( talk) 08:56, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
I believe that no reopening date should be mentioned for the resort because firstly I think this is misinformation if we put one date on there and change the date when we get closer to reopening. The other reason is per WP:CRYSTAL which I think is relevant in the current state of the world with COVID-19 which is making it hard to predict things like when the parks will reopen, We're not crystal ball and neither do we have one and including an opening date makes it look like that we have one, I believe that we should not and must not include any dates.I have also seen various new sites report that CM's are not scheduled in past April 1st either: https://comicbook.com/irl/2020/03/24/disney-world-cant-open-april-1-orlando-coronavirus-lockdown/ https://wdwnt.com/2020/03/update-orange-county-clarifies-walt-disney-world-cant-open-until-at-least-april-9th-in-reaction-to-public-confusion/
Current sources are saying that Disney World reopen on April 9th but I think that could get extended so until we have some further confirmation closer to April 9 I believe that we should just say " closed until further notice" in case we get a new date closer to April 9, (or the announced opening date) to see if there is another extension to the closure before including it on the page.
Pepper Gaming ( talk) 03:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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Why is Bonnet Creek listed as an *on-site* non-Disney resort? According to the article itself (and various other sources) the Bonnet Creek Resort is not actually on Disney owned property. It was a piece of land Disney was unable to buy and it was eventually sold to another developer and developed into the resort. This is distinct from other genuine on-site non-Disney hotels where Disney owns the land and leases it to other companies/organizations. Kidburla ( talk) 10:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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The article states "The property covers nearly 25,000 acres" but I measured it on Acme Planimeter and I find only around 17,000 acres. There may have been some small differences in borders compared to the outline I drew but I don't think it will be so massive as to account for a difference of 8,000 acres, as the property is bordered on most sides by known non-Disney property (e.g. the Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress) or some non-Disney public land such as Bear Bay and Cypress Creek Swamp. I checked the source given and the exact quote from that source is "The Walt Disney Company acquired more than 25,000 acres in Central Florida and after seven years of preparation, including 52 months of construction, the first of four theme parks-Magic Kingdom Park--opened in 1971". This only says that it was 25,000 acres when the park first opened in 1971; I think the Disney company must have sold some land since then. I am not sure how to re-word as the source does not say that the land was sold, but it also does not say that it's still 25,000 acres even today (40 years after the resort opened). Kidburla ( talk) 20:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)