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This 2 Waleed conspiracy theory is false. BBC reported Waleed Al-Shehri was alive on Sept. 23, 2001. The BBC article includes a picture of Waleed see link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
On Sept. 27, 2001 (4 days later) the FBI released the same picture of Waleed Al-Shehri and said he was one of the 911 hijackers. Exact same picture see link: http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa11/11.htm
This 2 Waleed conspiracy theory was invented after the fact.
Hey rmhermen, it's Quadell. Thanks for the changes again; you've added a lot of good info. But there's an inaccuracy, I think, in one change you made, and it's a big one. You took out all caveats about Waleed possibly being alive. In particular, about the LA Times link, you said:
The trouble is, here's what the BBC says about the living Waleed al-Shehri:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
The man whose picture is on this article, the man named Waleed al-Shehri, who lived in the U.S. and trained to fly planes in Daytona, who has a brother named Wail M. al-Shehri -- that man is alive. (Obviously, that man wasn't on Flight 11.) The picture, and some of the details (e.g. flight school, possibly the name), do not refer to the hijacker.
So it's very confusing. If we had the airport security photos it would help clear things up. Anyway, certainly the article needs to be accurate about all this. I'd like to work with you to iron it out.
Quadell (talk) 23:02, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
I don't beleive any of the next three paragraphs is currently beleived to be true or at least not in reference to the hijacker.
[1] - (couldn't tell what this refered to unless it is the Washington Post article commented on below) [2] -(very early source which claims Waleed was using the alias Wail which is actually his brother's name) [3]
In many countries it is common for families to reuse names. I am would not be surprised to find dozens of men named Waleed al-Shehri. That doesn't mean that the hijacker wasn't also named that. From the third link in the section on the other Waleed
What is the source of the second picture you added? Are you claiming that it is a second photo of the hijacker or a photo of a second Waleed? I have not seen any picture of this non-hijacker Waleed. Is there any reason to beleive that his is the picture released by the FBI? If the FBI picture really was the living Waleed I would expect some media to have shown the two pictures together so we all could see the mistake. Is there such an article? Didn't the FBI pictures come from passports and so it would have been difficult to get into the country using someone else's picture. I haven't seen any claim that the living Waleed has brother Wail, could you point me in the direction of one? Just because someone cliam that they are the one the FBI is refering to, doesn't mean they are correct. If someone with my name committed a crime and received publicity, I might find initially beleive that it refered to me but that doesn't mean that there isn't a different person with my name and a different life history out there. Rmhermen 19:41, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
Many conspiracy sites claim that some hijackers are still alive. Please note these articles
This has been refuted by many sources. For example the ABC story states that there is another Ahmed Alnami who is ten years younger, and appears to be dead, according to his father. [ABC News, 3/15/02] There is a second pair of Saudi brothers named Wail and Waleed M. Their father says they've been missing since December 2000. [ABC News, 3/15/02, Arab News, 9/17/01]
During the Dateline NBC Aug 25 article: They had an exclusive interview with brother of two hijackers Wail al Shahiri, and Waleed al Shahiri. NBC went to Saudi Arabia.
Also see this article regarding the BBC's incorrect information
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160,00.html
The BBC (amd other reports) were based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper. Managing Editor John Bradley stated that the "reporters did not speak directly with the "survivors," and that the photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. Another reporter where these stories originated (Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper reporter named Mohammed Samman), confirms this. Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Organizers_of_the_September_11%2C_2001_attacks"
The Der Spiegel article attempts to discredit the BBC report but fails to do so. Read it carefully. The Editor John Bradley has no association with BBC. He works for Arab News an English language Saudi paper. In the Der Spiegel article they admit Arab News "did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," ". This Der Spiegel report is HIGHLY SUSPECT to say the least. Der Spiegel tries to imply BBC simply relied on Arab papers for their information without ever verifying the claims. This is refuted by the Telegraph article, when they reported the same thing as the BBC as well as saying they interviewed the accused hijackers.
"The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
The Telegraph confirms the BBC report as well as exposing Der Spiegel.
I'm a contributor to the Italian version of Wikipedia. I read in this lemma: «Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri)...». The problem is that in the Arab onomatology it's highly improbable (if not impossible) the existence of the name "al-Shri". The font was Spiegel Online. Probably our German friends too ignore the Arab rules about the names. Thanks. -- Cloj ( talk) 14:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Waleed al-Shehri's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 12:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
' Alleged militants in the War on Terror who have lived in the United States '
If al-Shehri is merely alleged, then surely he shouldn't be described as '...one of five hijackers...' ? Beingsshepherd ( talk) 13:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd
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This 2 Waleed conspiracy theory is false. BBC reported Waleed Al-Shehri was alive on Sept. 23, 2001. The BBC article includes a picture of Waleed see link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
On Sept. 27, 2001 (4 days later) the FBI released the same picture of Waleed Al-Shehri and said he was one of the 911 hijackers. Exact same picture see link: http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa11/11.htm
This 2 Waleed conspiracy theory was invented after the fact.
Hey rmhermen, it's Quadell. Thanks for the changes again; you've added a lot of good info. But there's an inaccuracy, I think, in one change you made, and it's a big one. You took out all caveats about Waleed possibly being alive. In particular, about the LA Times link, you said:
The trouble is, here's what the BBC says about the living Waleed al-Shehri:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
The man whose picture is on this article, the man named Waleed al-Shehri, who lived in the U.S. and trained to fly planes in Daytona, who has a brother named Wail M. al-Shehri -- that man is alive. (Obviously, that man wasn't on Flight 11.) The picture, and some of the details (e.g. flight school, possibly the name), do not refer to the hijacker.
So it's very confusing. If we had the airport security photos it would help clear things up. Anyway, certainly the article needs to be accurate about all this. I'd like to work with you to iron it out.
Quadell (talk) 23:02, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
I don't beleive any of the next three paragraphs is currently beleived to be true or at least not in reference to the hijacker.
[1] - (couldn't tell what this refered to unless it is the Washington Post article commented on below) [2] -(very early source which claims Waleed was using the alias Wail which is actually his brother's name) [3]
In many countries it is common for families to reuse names. I am would not be surprised to find dozens of men named Waleed al-Shehri. That doesn't mean that the hijacker wasn't also named that. From the third link in the section on the other Waleed
What is the source of the second picture you added? Are you claiming that it is a second photo of the hijacker or a photo of a second Waleed? I have not seen any picture of this non-hijacker Waleed. Is there any reason to beleive that his is the picture released by the FBI? If the FBI picture really was the living Waleed I would expect some media to have shown the two pictures together so we all could see the mistake. Is there such an article? Didn't the FBI pictures come from passports and so it would have been difficult to get into the country using someone else's picture. I haven't seen any claim that the living Waleed has brother Wail, could you point me in the direction of one? Just because someone cliam that they are the one the FBI is refering to, doesn't mean they are correct. If someone with my name committed a crime and received publicity, I might find initially beleive that it refered to me but that doesn't mean that there isn't a different person with my name and a different life history out there. Rmhermen 19:41, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
Many conspiracy sites claim that some hijackers are still alive. Please note these articles
This has been refuted by many sources. For example the ABC story states that there is another Ahmed Alnami who is ten years younger, and appears to be dead, according to his father. [ABC News, 3/15/02] There is a second pair of Saudi brothers named Wail and Waleed M. Their father says they've been missing since December 2000. [ABC News, 3/15/02, Arab News, 9/17/01]
During the Dateline NBC Aug 25 article: They had an exclusive interview with brother of two hijackers Wail al Shahiri, and Waleed al Shahiri. NBC went to Saudi Arabia.
Also see this article regarding the BBC's incorrect information
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160,00.html
The BBC (amd other reports) were based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper. Managing Editor John Bradley stated that the "reporters did not speak directly with the "survivors," and that the photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. Another reporter where these stories originated (Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper reporter named Mohammed Samman), confirms this. Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Organizers_of_the_September_11%2C_2001_attacks"
The Der Spiegel article attempts to discredit the BBC report but fails to do so. Read it carefully. The Editor John Bradley has no association with BBC. He works for Arab News an English language Saudi paper. In the Der Spiegel article they admit Arab News "did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," ". This Der Spiegel report is HIGHLY SUSPECT to say the least. Der Spiegel tries to imply BBC simply relied on Arab papers for their information without ever verifying the claims. This is refuted by the Telegraph article, when they reported the same thing as the BBC as well as saying they interviewed the accused hijackers.
"The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
The Telegraph confirms the BBC report as well as exposing Der Spiegel.
I'm a contributor to the Italian version of Wikipedia. I read in this lemma: «Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri)...». The problem is that in the Arab onomatology it's highly improbable (if not impossible) the existence of the name "al-Shri". The font was Spiegel Online. Probably our German friends too ignore the Arab rules about the names. Thanks. -- Cloj ( talk) 14:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Waleed al-Shehri's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "timeline":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 12:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
' Alleged militants in the War on Terror who have lived in the United States '
If al-Shehri is merely alleged, then surely he shouldn't be described as '...one of five hijackers...' ? Beingsshepherd ( talk) 13:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd
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