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Was this really originally titled "Wrestling is Awesome"? I know it was the name of the first preview clip, but I never saw any official press release saying this was the actual title of the episode. If it wasn't the redirect should be deleted in a few days. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 02:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
At the end Kenny is killed yet when the boys start fighting right before the credits you hear Cartman "Don't even start with me Kenny!" How could Cartman be talking to Kenny if he was just blown up. -- 68.209.227.3 ( talk) 03:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The description of the plot is too exhaustive. The plot description should indicate the main storyline and leave it at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.192.255 ( talk) 22:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Assume some good faith here. I came at this from
Greys#1990-present day after seeing the ad for the new V remake and thinking
Visitor (disambiguation) was a notable synonym for
Grey aliens. Turns out South Park is the one reference blending Greys and Visitors that shows up readily on Google.
I don't care about the contest but after some searching, this episode falls into the ongoing contest so I'll wait to enter this trivia after the contest is over. Let me rephrase the question. Is there a visitor in this episode? I don't care what time mark. The visitors in each episode is trivia carried through the other episode articles.
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I restored the cultural references section, it was deleted by another user for not having citations. Fix the section instead of deleting the whole thing. And most of the things listed are observable in the episode, I don't think an external source is needed. Do we need to cite someone when we say the sky is blue? 147.9.225.71 ( talk) 21:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I second this. I somewhat diagree with the necessities of this Cultural References thing, but seriously? Citation? Does somebody randomly create a website automatically create some kind of legitamacy? There needs to be some kind of reasonable discrimination between those scholarly or controversial articles that obviously needs facts' backing or something of public importance that has other secondary sources and those that are observable by everyone else. SiriusAlphaCMa ( talk) 02:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, SiriusAlphaCMa, very well spoken, but this has to be discussed in a broader forum. Or... has it? I've read, written and discussed several articles in the German and English Wikipedia and think the English Southpark-Wikipages have the strictest citation rules ever. The no-original-research rule is one of the most important rules in Wikipedia. But there are still some things you shouldn't need to cite and you can't cite, because they are too obvious to be found in books.-- JakobvS ( talk) 21:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Surely the only citations you need is to watch the episode itself? the references in the episode are obvious with or without citations 80.229.169.189 ( talk) 16:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
As far as I can remember, the Mexicans don't say that line that is written here in the article when Kenny (el Pollo Loco) dies, but instead "Dios Mio, mataron a El Pollo Loco, bastardos!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.187.228.65 ( talk) 13:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
As a regular contributor to this article, I must ask why there is some much edit warring on this page? The reverts are way above average for any South Park article, wouldn't you say? Torkmann ( talk) 23:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
this episode is based around wwe, so its major fanbase (mostly children) will be vandalising this page over and over, if you look at the history you can see it, so hence the page being protected —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.222.11 ( talk) 15:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, and Scorpion0422's insistence that the "Cultural" section be deleted, contrary to every other South Park episode article, which has a "Cultural" section. Ironic how the "protected" version retains this cultural section it is. Torkmann ( talk) 18:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
That is right, baby! Just go with the flow, that's what I say...let mother nature take her groovy course. Peace and love, Torkmann ( talk) 20:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Funny I dont see the locking of this page to have been discussed anywhere prior, or any requests having been made for the protection of this page. Torkmann ( talk) 18:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The cultural references section states that Cena and McMahon speak with strong English accents in this episode. Though there were minor quirks in their pronunciation of a few words, for the most part they speak with standard American pronunciation, and the statement that they have strong English accents is, in my opinion, absurd.-- Toepoaster ( talk) 18:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to change the article, but somebody locked it without any discussion! Torkmann ( talk) 18:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The following is a proposed new section, your comments are welcome. I would like to get approval to have the admin add this to the main article. Thank you Torkmann ( talk) 21:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The premier broadcast of this episode received 3.83 million viewers on 21 October 2009, according to tv.com. This figure was by far Comedy Central's highest viewership for any program not only that week, but for the entyre month of October. Furthermore, this episode garnered the highest viewer ratings for any South Park episode since the much-hyped Make Love, Not Warcraft episode in 2006.
While critical reviews of the episode were mixed, with some writers wondering why South Park, having been broadcast since 1997, would wait twelve years to skewer a phenomenon (WWF/WWE) that was arguably much more in the popular conciousness during the early part of the show's run than it is today.
Lay opinion of the episode was much more favorable. John Cena remarked that the show "was wicked hilarious" and a "good spoof of pro wrestling today."
Until some decent sources can be found, this section does not need to be in the article. As of this post, previous versions have been chock full of those dreaded weasel words "possibly" and "likely". - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 21:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
In response to this information being added and reverted; first off, it needs sources in order to be verified. While a reference was added to the "Irene" paragraph, the source only contains information about the " real Irene", and does not support the claim that the scenes were a direct spoof of her actions. Yes, in all likelihood, this is the case, but making this connection based on a source which does not constitutes original research, and cannot be used in its recent states in the article. When and if the proper sources are found and added, the "Chorus Line" and "Irene" information can be re-instated into the article within the proper context of a "Production" or "Reception" or a "Cultural references" section written in prose rather than presented as a list of occurrences in the episode, thus a list of miscellaneous information. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Me (the cunt whos been reverting): Im not sure how this works but look, like you said, it is very possible, in fact probable that bad Irene is named after Irene Vilar. Names match up, dates etc. But look, I aint gonna kick the arse out of it yeah. Sound!
This article was moved to the same title but with a "South Park episode" qualifier. "W.T.F." simply redirected to it, but since there is no article by the exact name "W.T.F.", a qualifier is not necessary...yet. I reverted the move for now so that a discussion can be started first.
The thing here is the episode title includes full stop punctuation marks, while the disamb page is simply "WTF" (without the periods). However, both uses are still presentations of the same acronym, periods or not. Should typing in "W.T.F." take you directly to the SP article, or be redirected to the WTF disamb page? I definitely think that most users would still associate the acronym more with its use as a common slang for "What the fuck?" than they would as "the title of a South Park episode", so I would lean towards redirecting both "WTF" and "W.T.F." to the disamb page, which places its description as an internet slang acronym for "What the fuck?" at the top and includes a link to the episode article right underneath. Now, after that, would moving the article to a new title with a qualifier still be necessary? There is no other article called "W.T.F." (with the punctuation marks included), but seeing "W.T.F. (South Park episode)" in the drop-down suggestions box below the search field might help users looking specifically for this episode's article to bypass the disamb page. Please post thoughts below. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for all the cursing. ;) Ruodyssey ( talk) 05:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
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Was this really originally titled "Wrestling is Awesome"? I know it was the name of the first preview clip, but I never saw any official press release saying this was the actual title of the episode. If it wasn't the redirect should be deleted in a few days. - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 02:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
At the end Kenny is killed yet when the boys start fighting right before the credits you hear Cartman "Don't even start with me Kenny!" How could Cartman be talking to Kenny if he was just blown up. -- 68.209.227.3 ( talk) 03:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The description of the plot is too exhaustive. The plot description should indicate the main storyline and leave it at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.192.255 ( talk) 22:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Assume some good faith here. I came at this from
Greys#1990-present day after seeing the ad for the new V remake and thinking
Visitor (disambiguation) was a notable synonym for
Grey aliens. Turns out South Park is the one reference blending Greys and Visitors that shows up readily on Google.
I don't care about the contest but after some searching, this episode falls into the ongoing contest so I'll wait to enter this trivia after the contest is over. Let me rephrase the question. Is there a visitor in this episode? I don't care what time mark. The visitors in each episode is trivia carried through the other episode articles.
97.85.185.160 (
talk)
01:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I restored the cultural references section, it was deleted by another user for not having citations. Fix the section instead of deleting the whole thing. And most of the things listed are observable in the episode, I don't think an external source is needed. Do we need to cite someone when we say the sky is blue? 147.9.225.71 ( talk) 21:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I second this. I somewhat diagree with the necessities of this Cultural References thing, but seriously? Citation? Does somebody randomly create a website automatically create some kind of legitamacy? There needs to be some kind of reasonable discrimination between those scholarly or controversial articles that obviously needs facts' backing or something of public importance that has other secondary sources and those that are observable by everyone else. SiriusAlphaCMa ( talk) 02:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, SiriusAlphaCMa, very well spoken, but this has to be discussed in a broader forum. Or... has it? I've read, written and discussed several articles in the German and English Wikipedia and think the English Southpark-Wikipages have the strictest citation rules ever. The no-original-research rule is one of the most important rules in Wikipedia. But there are still some things you shouldn't need to cite and you can't cite, because they are too obvious to be found in books.-- JakobvS ( talk) 21:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Surely the only citations you need is to watch the episode itself? the references in the episode are obvious with or without citations 80.229.169.189 ( talk) 16:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
As far as I can remember, the Mexicans don't say that line that is written here in the article when Kenny (el Pollo Loco) dies, but instead "Dios Mio, mataron a El Pollo Loco, bastardos!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.187.228.65 ( talk) 13:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
As a regular contributor to this article, I must ask why there is some much edit warring on this page? The reverts are way above average for any South Park article, wouldn't you say? Torkmann ( talk) 23:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
this episode is based around wwe, so its major fanbase (mostly children) will be vandalising this page over and over, if you look at the history you can see it, so hence the page being protected —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.222.11 ( talk) 15:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, and Scorpion0422's insistence that the "Cultural" section be deleted, contrary to every other South Park episode article, which has a "Cultural" section. Ironic how the "protected" version retains this cultural section it is. Torkmann ( talk) 18:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
That is right, baby! Just go with the flow, that's what I say...let mother nature take her groovy course. Peace and love, Torkmann ( talk) 20:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Funny I dont see the locking of this page to have been discussed anywhere prior, or any requests having been made for the protection of this page. Torkmann ( talk) 18:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The cultural references section states that Cena and McMahon speak with strong English accents in this episode. Though there were minor quirks in their pronunciation of a few words, for the most part they speak with standard American pronunciation, and the statement that they have strong English accents is, in my opinion, absurd.-- Toepoaster ( talk) 18:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to change the article, but somebody locked it without any discussion! Torkmann ( talk) 18:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The following is a proposed new section, your comments are welcome. I would like to get approval to have the admin add this to the main article. Thank you Torkmann ( talk) 21:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The premier broadcast of this episode received 3.83 million viewers on 21 October 2009, according to tv.com. This figure was by far Comedy Central's highest viewership for any program not only that week, but for the entyre month of October. Furthermore, this episode garnered the highest viewer ratings for any South Park episode since the much-hyped Make Love, Not Warcraft episode in 2006.
While critical reviews of the episode were mixed, with some writers wondering why South Park, having been broadcast since 1997, would wait twelve years to skewer a phenomenon (WWF/WWE) that was arguably much more in the popular conciousness during the early part of the show's run than it is today.
Lay opinion of the episode was much more favorable. John Cena remarked that the show "was wicked hilarious" and a "good spoof of pro wrestling today."
Until some decent sources can be found, this section does not need to be in the article. As of this post, previous versions have been chock full of those dreaded weasel words "possibly" and "likely". - SoSaysChappy ( talk) 21:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
In response to this information being added and reverted; first off, it needs sources in order to be verified. While a reference was added to the "Irene" paragraph, the source only contains information about the " real Irene", and does not support the claim that the scenes were a direct spoof of her actions. Yes, in all likelihood, this is the case, but making this connection based on a source which does not constitutes original research, and cannot be used in its recent states in the article. When and if the proper sources are found and added, the "Chorus Line" and "Irene" information can be re-instated into the article within the proper context of a "Production" or "Reception" or a "Cultural references" section written in prose rather than presented as a list of occurrences in the episode, thus a list of miscellaneous information. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Me (the cunt whos been reverting): Im not sure how this works but look, like you said, it is very possible, in fact probable that bad Irene is named after Irene Vilar. Names match up, dates etc. But look, I aint gonna kick the arse out of it yeah. Sound!
This article was moved to the same title but with a "South Park episode" qualifier. "W.T.F." simply redirected to it, but since there is no article by the exact name "W.T.F.", a qualifier is not necessary...yet. I reverted the move for now so that a discussion can be started first.
The thing here is the episode title includes full stop punctuation marks, while the disamb page is simply "WTF" (without the periods). However, both uses are still presentations of the same acronym, periods or not. Should typing in "W.T.F." take you directly to the SP article, or be redirected to the WTF disamb page? I definitely think that most users would still associate the acronym more with its use as a common slang for "What the fuck?" than they would as "the title of a South Park episode", so I would lean towards redirecting both "WTF" and "W.T.F." to the disamb page, which places its description as an internet slang acronym for "What the fuck?" at the top and includes a link to the episode article right underneath. Now, after that, would moving the article to a new title with a qualifier still be necessary? There is no other article called "W.T.F." (with the punctuation marks included), but seeing "W.T.F. (South Park episode)" in the drop-down suggestions box below the search field might help users looking specifically for this episode's article to bypass the disamb page. Please post thoughts below. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for all the cursing. ;) Ruodyssey ( talk) 05:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
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