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I have restructured many of the articles on Volcanoes. I moved information around, restructuring as I thought appropriate. Here are the pages I changed or created: Volcano, Volcanology, History of Volcanology, and Volcano Prediction. I DID NOT DELETE ANYTHING. I simply moved things around to reduce page size. All content is still there, just some sections are in different pages. Heavy Metal Cellist talk contribs
p.s. Some of the content in this talk page may now be obsolete. Heavy Metal Cellist talk contribs
Wow if you're interested in Volcanology up to 1600 AD, this is the page for you!
Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump.
Should Vulcanology just be a redirect to volcano? If so, change it. LittleDan
I will merge vulcanology and vulcanologist. That should improve the content. Emperorbma 08:36 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
SPECIAL NOTE: All the old backups for Vulcanologist were NOT transferred. This was a merge. Emperorbma
Relevant contributions to Vulcanologist: (Saved for posterity)
I think that Volcanology is the more "popular" spelling than Vulcanology. Google says:
Volcanology 43,600 results Vulcanology 4,090 results Volcanologist 9,240 results Vulcanologist 1,440 results
Looking at the results, it seems that Volcanology is used in the US, Canada, NZ, some UK, some Australia, Germany. Vulcanology is used in the UK, France, Australia, Italy, Canada. — seav 11:35 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Disagree that volcanic eruptions are unpredictable. There are too many instances of accurate predictions for this old saw to keep popping up.
Agree that many eruptions have not been predicted - but that was always a lack of monitoring and/or understanding of the plumbing.
For documentation of accurate predictions see publications for eruptions at St. Helens, St. Augustine, Pinataubo, Mayon, Spur, Vesuvius, etc.
Next, volcanology is not particularly dangerous for those who pay attention to the available monitoring data. Agree that there have been some spectacular losses, but many fewer than amongst those looking for oil and gold.
Regards ngs@teleport.com
I have made this a Geology stub. This raises the question as to whether Volcanology should be a catagory or just a subcatagory of geology. Commnets anyone?
-- NHSavage 15:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't know if there's any need to decategorise it...we just need to add to it. I can do that thanks to a fairly nifty book I happen to have, which goes into the history of the science. Anyway...later on. Rolinator 08:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I know next to nothing about geology, but this part of the edge of the crater of Volcán Irazú, Costa Rica looks like a fault to me, something that is caused by the distortion of old rocks. But shouldn't a volcanic crater have all 'fresh', 'unfolded' rock? I don't know where to put this image, so I'll leave that to the experts. (Let's see where flattery gets me:) ). DirkvdM 12:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The entire content of History of Volcanology has been merged into Volcanology, and that page is now a redirect. There is no need for a separate article yet, and this article is vastly improved by including that content directly within it. This article was just a stub otherwise. -- Seattle Skier (See talk tierS) 00:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
That section reads like it was written by a four year old. I have no idea what it's talking about. Valcanoes I guess.. --unsigned
The christian section is not that neutral "miraculously" and "clove" sounds like it's taken from an f'in sermon. M4bwav 19:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Archaeologists now believe that the Catalhoyuk painting doesn't represent an erupting volcano; this interpretation dates from 1964 and further work at the site has pretty much disproven this interpretation. I have 3 scholarly articles to footnote this, and plan to change this paragraph in a few days, but am open to discussion before doing so. Sm255 ( talk) 13:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Also, the jpg that purports to be the Anatolian Museum of Civilizations wall painting, is a distorted and inaccurate copy of the original. The person who added it says he made it himself - certainly posting any actual reproduction of the painting would violate copyright - but we should not let this inaccurate graphic remain here. Sm255 ( talk) 13:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
An anon editor using an Indiana University IP recently added content to this section. The user gave Harvard style references (name and date), but did not finish with full references in a reference section. I have made an attempt to fill out the missing refs with a bit of googling and searching on Amazon. Hopefully I haven't messed 'em up too badly :-) and perhaps the anon will return and correct any errors I have made. Vsmith 01:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
(is a person who studies volcanic activity) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.6.80.134 ( talk) 23:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
WMC, the study you try to ignore is an actual study about the current developememnts in the field, no reason at all to delete it. If you have points about improvement, feel welcome to do so. WMC better stop hounding, and avoid being a even more giant You-know-what. "Social studies of volcanology: knowledge generation and expert advice on active volcanoes" is an actual study, even peer reveiwed and has been published in the Bulletin of Volcanology" and the scholars behind it are geographers and volcanologists at the University of Cambridge, those guys that beat Oxford at boat races regularly, (sorry @ Yngvadottir:). Serten II ( talk) 16:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Serten II ( talk) 19:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I added some entries imho relevant for the article.
Donovan et al. (2012) [1] provided a survey of volcanologists carried out during 2008 and 2009 and interviews with scientists in the United Kingdom, Montserrat, Italy and Iceland during fieldwork seasons. [1] The survey identified various eruptions that had an influence on volcanology as a science and to assess the role of scientists in policymaking. [1] The survey asked volcanologists to list those eruptions that they felt had most contributed to modern volcanology. The Soufrière Hills outbreak ranked third after Mount St. Helens (1980) and Pinatubo (1991). With regard to the political role, volcanologists have a strong focus on the academic importance of volcanology, and the physical and chemical processes that they study. Many hope that the application of Volcanology makes a difference for vulnerable societies, and a significant number are interested in hazard assessment and vulnerable populations. [1] Especially the EU has recently started major research programs dealing with risk assessment, compare:
According the field interviews, "hazard" had become a buzz word, and may have some negative impact on pure science. On the other hand, Scientists see a strong funding gap between university scientists and observatory scientists around the world. Observatory scientists earn less, publish less and have fewer resources in general. [1]
A further section of the study dealt with the political and scientific role of the Montserrat eruption 1995 - 1997. The (1997) eruption, a classical example of an black swan event for the Montserratian people [3] had major impacts on the local society and infrastructure. Two-thirds of the population left Montserrat after 1997. [4]
The study quotes an interviewee (1997) "we were seeing phenomena that people had never seen before, the re-forming of pyroclastic flows, having flowed into the valley…went up the hill, over their houses, and then it just under gravity came back down, re-formed, and came along the Belham River valley". [1] Being present at those events had a significant impact on scientists subsequent careers and laid base, for many, in a continued interest in Montserrat. Eruptions of such a dimension may be deemed ‗epistemological acts‘ as they significantly alter knowledge production. [1] The scientists involved with Montserrat began (after 1995) to use statistical models to estimate the probabilities of particular events, but managed to built up experience-based expertise (including comparably subjective assessments from experts and local knowledge and experience) step by step. [1] The subjectivity aspect has been critized in a comment on the study. [5]
The authors conclude the study with the assumption, that Volcanology currently involves more research into risk assessment and risk management. [1]
Remark: Try suggestions for a different wording direct in the text above and provide notes in this section
Tend to agree with the crewbot today - multiple poorly sourced statements suggesting article has been left to drift. Needs a manual go over to bring back up in quality. Should be possible as fair number open source reviews in academic literature to use as secondary sources ChaseKiwi ( talk) 16:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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I have restructured many of the articles on Volcanoes. I moved information around, restructuring as I thought appropriate. Here are the pages I changed or created: Volcano, Volcanology, History of Volcanology, and Volcano Prediction. I DID NOT DELETE ANYTHING. I simply moved things around to reduce page size. All content is still there, just some sections are in different pages. Heavy Metal Cellist talk contribs
p.s. Some of the content in this talk page may now be obsolete. Heavy Metal Cellist talk contribs
Wow if you're interested in Volcanology up to 1600 AD, this is the page for you!
Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump.
Should Vulcanology just be a redirect to volcano? If so, change it. LittleDan
I will merge vulcanology and vulcanologist. That should improve the content. Emperorbma 08:36 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
SPECIAL NOTE: All the old backups for Vulcanologist were NOT transferred. This was a merge. Emperorbma
Relevant contributions to Vulcanologist: (Saved for posterity)
I think that Volcanology is the more "popular" spelling than Vulcanology. Google says:
Volcanology 43,600 results Vulcanology 4,090 results Volcanologist 9,240 results Vulcanologist 1,440 results
Looking at the results, it seems that Volcanology is used in the US, Canada, NZ, some UK, some Australia, Germany. Vulcanology is used in the UK, France, Australia, Italy, Canada. — seav 11:35 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Disagree that volcanic eruptions are unpredictable. There are too many instances of accurate predictions for this old saw to keep popping up.
Agree that many eruptions have not been predicted - but that was always a lack of monitoring and/or understanding of the plumbing.
For documentation of accurate predictions see publications for eruptions at St. Helens, St. Augustine, Pinataubo, Mayon, Spur, Vesuvius, etc.
Next, volcanology is not particularly dangerous for those who pay attention to the available monitoring data. Agree that there have been some spectacular losses, but many fewer than amongst those looking for oil and gold.
Regards ngs@teleport.com
I have made this a Geology stub. This raises the question as to whether Volcanology should be a catagory or just a subcatagory of geology. Commnets anyone?
-- NHSavage 15:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't know if there's any need to decategorise it...we just need to add to it. I can do that thanks to a fairly nifty book I happen to have, which goes into the history of the science. Anyway...later on. Rolinator 08:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I know next to nothing about geology, but this part of the edge of the crater of Volcán Irazú, Costa Rica looks like a fault to me, something that is caused by the distortion of old rocks. But shouldn't a volcanic crater have all 'fresh', 'unfolded' rock? I don't know where to put this image, so I'll leave that to the experts. (Let's see where flattery gets me:) ). DirkvdM 12:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The entire content of History of Volcanology has been merged into Volcanology, and that page is now a redirect. There is no need for a separate article yet, and this article is vastly improved by including that content directly within it. This article was just a stub otherwise. -- Seattle Skier (See talk tierS) 00:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
That section reads like it was written by a four year old. I have no idea what it's talking about. Valcanoes I guess.. --unsigned
The christian section is not that neutral "miraculously" and "clove" sounds like it's taken from an f'in sermon. M4bwav 19:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Archaeologists now believe that the Catalhoyuk painting doesn't represent an erupting volcano; this interpretation dates from 1964 and further work at the site has pretty much disproven this interpretation. I have 3 scholarly articles to footnote this, and plan to change this paragraph in a few days, but am open to discussion before doing so. Sm255 ( talk) 13:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Also, the jpg that purports to be the Anatolian Museum of Civilizations wall painting, is a distorted and inaccurate copy of the original. The person who added it says he made it himself - certainly posting any actual reproduction of the painting would violate copyright - but we should not let this inaccurate graphic remain here. Sm255 ( talk) 13:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
An anon editor using an Indiana University IP recently added content to this section. The user gave Harvard style references (name and date), but did not finish with full references in a reference section. I have made an attempt to fill out the missing refs with a bit of googling and searching on Amazon. Hopefully I haven't messed 'em up too badly :-) and perhaps the anon will return and correct any errors I have made. Vsmith 01:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
(is a person who studies volcanic activity) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.6.80.134 ( talk) 23:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
WMC, the study you try to ignore is an actual study about the current developememnts in the field, no reason at all to delete it. If you have points about improvement, feel welcome to do so. WMC better stop hounding, and avoid being a even more giant You-know-what. "Social studies of volcanology: knowledge generation and expert advice on active volcanoes" is an actual study, even peer reveiwed and has been published in the Bulletin of Volcanology" and the scholars behind it are geographers and volcanologists at the University of Cambridge, those guys that beat Oxford at boat races regularly, (sorry @ Yngvadottir:). Serten II ( talk) 16:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Serten II ( talk) 19:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I added some entries imho relevant for the article.
Donovan et al. (2012) [1] provided a survey of volcanologists carried out during 2008 and 2009 and interviews with scientists in the United Kingdom, Montserrat, Italy and Iceland during fieldwork seasons. [1] The survey identified various eruptions that had an influence on volcanology as a science and to assess the role of scientists in policymaking. [1] The survey asked volcanologists to list those eruptions that they felt had most contributed to modern volcanology. The Soufrière Hills outbreak ranked third after Mount St. Helens (1980) and Pinatubo (1991). With regard to the political role, volcanologists have a strong focus on the academic importance of volcanology, and the physical and chemical processes that they study. Many hope that the application of Volcanology makes a difference for vulnerable societies, and a significant number are interested in hazard assessment and vulnerable populations. [1] Especially the EU has recently started major research programs dealing with risk assessment, compare:
According the field interviews, "hazard" had become a buzz word, and may have some negative impact on pure science. On the other hand, Scientists see a strong funding gap between university scientists and observatory scientists around the world. Observatory scientists earn less, publish less and have fewer resources in general. [1]
A further section of the study dealt with the political and scientific role of the Montserrat eruption 1995 - 1997. The (1997) eruption, a classical example of an black swan event for the Montserratian people [3] had major impacts on the local society and infrastructure. Two-thirds of the population left Montserrat after 1997. [4]
The study quotes an interviewee (1997) "we were seeing phenomena that people had never seen before, the re-forming of pyroclastic flows, having flowed into the valley…went up the hill, over their houses, and then it just under gravity came back down, re-formed, and came along the Belham River valley". [1] Being present at those events had a significant impact on scientists subsequent careers and laid base, for many, in a continued interest in Montserrat. Eruptions of such a dimension may be deemed ‗epistemological acts‘ as they significantly alter knowledge production. [1] The scientists involved with Montserrat began (after 1995) to use statistical models to estimate the probabilities of particular events, but managed to built up experience-based expertise (including comparably subjective assessments from experts and local knowledge and experience) step by step. [1] The subjectivity aspect has been critized in a comment on the study. [5]
The authors conclude the study with the assumption, that Volcanology currently involves more research into risk assessment and risk management. [1]
Remark: Try suggestions for a different wording direct in the text above and provide notes in this section
Tend to agree with the crewbot today - multiple poorly sourced statements suggesting article has been left to drift. Needs a manual go over to bring back up in quality. Should be possible as fair number open source reviews in academic literature to use as secondary sources ChaseKiwi ( talk) 16:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)